Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Beyond Stallman: Dear Friends, As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman. There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir... These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts on Stallman we should be starting a dialogue with these other more important folks. You've piqued my curiousity - who are those people, and why are they more important than Stallman? Do you know that any one of them is considering a trip to Israel? I've personally never heard of any of these people, but maybe that doesn't say much other than my world view is a bit narrow... Looking on the web for these people, I discovered that apparently Nina Paley's father was the mayor of Urbana, Illinois, while I was living there as a toddler. Any other interesting things I should know about them? :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jul 18 2011, 16 Tammuz 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Always remember you're unique, just like http://nadav.harel.org.il |everyone else. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
Take a look at LWN.net. These folks are all there, in positions of
influence. Those of us who travel to the US should make an effort to meet
these people.
- yba
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:45:20 +0300
From: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: ILUG linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Beyond Stallman:
Dear Friends,
As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman.
There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our
efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir...
These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts on
Stallman we should be starting a dialogue with these other more important
folks.
You've piqued my curiousity - who are those people, and why are they
more important than Stallman? Do you know that any one of them is considering
a trip to Israel?
I've personally never heard of any of these people, but maybe that doesn't
say much other than my world view is a bit narrow... Looking on the web for
these people, I discovered that apparently Nina Paley's father was the mayor
of Urbana, Illinois, while I was living there as a toddler. Any other
interesting things I should know about them? :-)
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Re: Beyond Stallman
Apparently Rob Weir is the ODF director at IBM. I just encountered that in an article on FossForce.com. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
Here's the article: http://fossforce.com/2011/07/ibm-backs-ooo-evil-empire-in-decline-apple-bakes-patent-pie/ And my pre-coffee brain translated architect into director for some reason. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Apparently Rob Weir is the ODF director at IBM. I just encountered that in an article on FossForce.com. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
On 18 July 2011 16:49, Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il wrote: Take a look at LWN.net. These folks are all there, in positions of influence. Those of us who travel to the US should make an effort to meet these people. And there was much rejoicing - Monty Python, Psalms 10. :) yba - Thanks for shifting the thread away to a saner ground. Everyone else - Please take this RMS/boycot/politics somewhere else. Linux-il used to be the most highly technical general foss mailing list I was subscribed to until this BS started. Thank you. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:45:20AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Beyond Stallman: Dear Friends, As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman. There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir... These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts on Stallman we should be starting a dialogue with these other more important folks. You've piqued my curiousity - who are those people, and why are they more important than Stallman? Do you know that any one of them is considering a trip to Israel? I've personally never heard of any of these people, but maybe that doesn't say much other than my world view is a bit narrow... Looking on the web for these people, I discovered that apparently Nina Paley's father was the mayor of Urbana, Illinois, while I was living there as a toddler. Any other interesting things I should know about them? :-) Nina Paley: See e.g. http://hamakor.org.il/pipermail/discussions/2011-July/003215.html Allison Randal: was recently active in the latest Harmony project (the Harmony project about licensing. Not the one that got QT relicensed, and not the one that got Java relicensed and eventually Googled sued by Oracle). Karen Sandler: formly from the SLFC, now heads the Gnome Foundation. Rob Weir: one of IBM's main ODF guys. Involved in the recent Apache OpenOffice.org, and as such has managed to annoy many of the LibreOffice folks. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
There are probably a lot of other folks out there who it would be worth
our while to speak to. I wrote the list after I happened to read LWN for
about 30 seconds. That's not much consideration.
The real question for discussion here is who are the people of influence
in the international Open Source community with whom we should talk?
- yba
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:01:11 +
From: Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:45:20AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Beyond Stallman:
Dear Friends,
As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman.
There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our
efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir...
These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts on
Stallman we should be starting a dialogue with these other more important
folks.
You've piqued my curiousity - who are those people, and why are they
more important than Stallman? Do you know that any one of them is considering
a trip to Israel?
I've personally never heard of any of these people, but maybe that doesn't
say much other than my world view is a bit narrow... Looking on the web for
these people, I discovered that apparently Nina Paley's father was the mayor
of Urbana, Illinois, while I was living there as a toddler. Any other
interesting things I should know about them? :-)
Nina Paley: See e.g.
http://hamakor.org.il/pipermail/discussions/2011-July/003215.html
Allison Randal: was recently active in the latest Harmony project (the
Harmony project about licensing. Not the one that got QT relicensed, and
not the one that got Java relicensed and eventually Googled sued by
Oracle).
Karen Sandler: formly from the SLFC, now heads the Gnome Foundation.
Rob Weir: one of IBM's main ODF guys. Involved in the recent Apache
OpenOffice.org, and as such has managed to annoy many of the LibreOffice
folks.
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Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Beyond Stallman: There are probably a lot of other folks out there who it would be worth our while to speak to. I wrote the list after I happened to read LWN for about 30 seconds. That's not much consideration. The real question for discussion here is who are the people of influence in the international Open Source community with whom we should talk? I think that if you need to open Google, Wikipedia, or LWN to find these people, there are, regretfully, not as influencial as Richard Stallman - whose name everyone (I assume) has heard. Selfishly, I would considered someone to be influencial if he or she influenced *me*, in my starting to use free software, in my starting to write free software, or in the free software I use daily. Richard Stallman is an obvious candidate, but we are boycotting him ;-) Tim O'Reilly is influencial because he edits and publishes many books about free software, and especially this one: http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html which had a huge effect on my own starting to write (not just use) free software. He was also the first one to coin the new term open source. Linus Torvals is of course super influencial. Chris DiBona is interesting for several reasons, but among other things he co-edited the above mentioned book, and he's Google's free software guru. Eric Raymod is another influencial person. Arnold Robbins, who will speak in August Penguin, maintains gawk, which is certainly not as well known as these other people, but nevertheless will be interesting because I use this program. And of course there are the usual Unix suspects (Rob Pike, Brian Kernighan, etc.), Marc Andreessen (NCSA mosaic and Netscape), Bill Joy (vi and Sun) and many other people who influenced my computer-using life and I'd like to hear :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jul 18 2011, 16 Tammuz 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Sorry, but my karma just ran over your http://nadav.harel.org.il |dogma. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
Hi Nadav,
There is still a lot of buzz around Stallman, but in fact, the real action
is has been elsewhere for some time, despite lack of name recognition for
the players. I think that it is best to try to find the serious thinkers
in the FOSS world and invite them, wrt buzz. In fact, it might be to our
interest to invite really serious people who are unknown.
- yba
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:59:29 +0300
From: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il, ILUG linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: Beyond Stallman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Beyond Stallman:
There are probably a lot of other folks out there who it would be worth
our while to speak to. I wrote the list after I happened to read LWN for
about 30 seconds. That's not much consideration.
The real question for discussion here is who are the people of influence
in the international Open Source community with whom we should talk?
I think that if you need to open Google, Wikipedia, or LWN to find these
people, there are, regretfully, not as influencial as Richard Stallman -
whose name everyone (I assume) has heard.
Selfishly, I would considered someone to be influencial if he or she
influenced *me*, in my starting to use free software, in my starting to
write free software, or in the free software I use daily.
Richard Stallman is an obvious candidate, but we are boycotting him ;-)
Tim O'Reilly is influencial because he edits and publishes many books about
free software, and especially this one:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html
which had a huge effect on my own starting to write (not just use) free
software. He was also the first one to coin the new term open source.
Linus Torvals is of course super influencial.
Chris DiBona is interesting for several reasons, but among other things he
co-edited the above mentioned book, and he's Google's free software guru.
Eric Raymod is another influencial person.
Arnold Robbins, who will speak in August Penguin, maintains gawk, which is
certainly not as well known as these other people, but nevertheless will
be interesting because I use this program.
And of course there are the usual Unix suspects (Rob Pike, Brian Kernighan,
etc.), Marc Andreessen (NCSA mosaic and Netscape), Bill Joy (vi and Sun)
and many other people who influenced my computer-using life and I'd like
to hear :-)
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Re: Beyond Stallman
What is this, nominations for FOSS person of the year? We should be encouraging all of these, and MadDog Hall and everyone else to come visit and lecture. If for nothing else, then for encouraging free speech and thwarting boycott effort by enemies of Israel. Z. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Beyond Stallman
We should be encouraging all of these, and MadDog Hall and everyone else to come visit and lecture. If for nothing else, then for encouraging free speech and thwarting boycott effort by enemies of Israel. It will be hard to encourage me to come to the lecture. I wanted to hear a lecture by some one how stands by his ideals even if it hurts him. Now I know that RMS is just a person that will not do something he believes in ,speaking about free software to every one, because some one else think it is wrong to speak to Israelis. kobi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
