Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 10:21:01AM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: > Thanks Shachar, > I'll need to have PPTP on hand before starting to install, because > otherwise I'll not have Internet connection to download the rest of > Debian packages. You'll need to make basicdally two changes: 1. Add the package to the packages on the CD 2. modify the installer to configure a pptp connection before setting up the apt sources (1) is fairly simple and technical and automatable. I can post a small HOWTO later on. (2) The debian installer has two main phases: 1. basic configuration: very minimal settings and a debootstrap to install the base system, a boot loader, and reboot 2. On the first boot the system runs 'base-config new' on the first console base-config basicaally runs scripts from /usr/lib/base-config/menu The .mnu files there give the order of running: $ grep ^Order: /usr/lib/base-config/menu/*.mnu |sort -k2 -n /usr/lib/base-config/menu/debconf-seed.mnu:Order: 5 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/intro.mnu:Order: 10 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/keyboard.mnu:Order: 20 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/timezone.mnu:Order: 30 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/passwd.mnu:Order: 40 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/hostname.mnu:Order: 50 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pon.mnu:Order: 60 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/apt-setup.mnu:Order: 70 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/pkgsel.mnu:Order: 80 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/mta.mnu:Order: 100 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/finish.mnu:Order: 120 /usr/lib/base-config/menu/shell.mnu:Order: As you can see, 'pon' is run before apt-setup. The script allows you to configure a ppp connection. So basically to accomplish (2) you need to either create an extra menu entry in base-config, or modify the script pon . I already have built a small installer udeb package that can add and/or delete files to /usr/lib/base-config/menu at install time, if you want it. So what is now needed is a small procedure to set up a connection to your ISP. Basically what you need to do is to drop an appropriate peer file into /etc/ppp/peers . See the current dsl-provider for an example for something that should work with pppoe . Then you start the connection with 'pon peer_file_name' where peer_file_name is the name of the file in /etc/ppp/peers -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Download/copy the .deb file to /var/cache/apt/archives Apt will be able to is to there, like all .deb files. You can also install the .deb from any where using dpkg -i > Thanks Shachar, > I'll need to have PPTP on hand before starting to install, because > otherwise I'll not have Internet connection to download the rest of > Debian packages. > > Question whose best answer is "RTFM the document at ___": > If I want to avoid having to download another CD-ROM just for a single > package, how should I structure the directory tree somewhere in my PC > (/var/cache or whatever) and specify it in sources.list, so that > apt-get/dselect/aptitude/etc. would accept it as a source for Debian > packages? (Could I just emulate the directory structure which I find in > the CD?) > > (My PC's hard disk has several partitions, so I am going to retain my > current RedHat 8.0 installation in some partitions, and install Debian > in currently-empty partitions - so I can leave packages in one of the > RedHat partitions and have Debian installer mount it & access the > packages there - but I need to know what directory structure and > auxiliary files to have on hand. The RedHat 8.0 stuff will go away once > I complete migration to Debian.) > > --- Omer > My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > Shachar Shemesh wrote: >> Omer Zak wrote: >> >>> This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single >>> architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - >>> or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the >>> missing README file in the above Web site? >> >> >> In addition to what my predecessors said, please note that Debian are >> using a tool called "popcon". It's an opt-in option to send the list of >> installed (and used) packages to the debian project. They use it as a >> popularity contest between the packages (hence the name). >> >> The more popular a package, the earlier it is on the CD list. They do >> that to counter the 14 CDs problem you mention. I don't have any >> statistics, but my guess would be that about 80% of the people can make >> do with just the first CD, and 90% with just the first two. >> >> Please note, however, that some Israeli only use pattern are unlikely to >> make it into the first CDs. Two such patterns that come to mind are >> Culmus and PPTP. Personally, I find that downloading the missing stuff >> off the internet is faster for me than hanging around with all CDs. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
I downloaded only the first one, and for the other application which are not included in the first CD i did apt-get. Anyway its get updated all the time. -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: "Omer Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Linux-IL mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Confused about Debian Testing CD images > I would like to prepare an installation CD with up-to-date Debian > Testing packages, for installation on PCs. > > So, I found >http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ > which referred me to >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/ > for official jigdo images for CD > Then I see at >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ > that there are sarge-i386-N.jigdo files, for N in range 1,2,...,14! > (Note: once I have a *.jigdo file, I know how to convert it into > a CD). > > This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single > architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - > or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the > missing README file in the above Web site? > > Is the sarge-i386-1.jigdo the one, which I want to use, if my plan is to > install minimal Debian installation and then complete it by bringing > over more packages via the Internet? > Thanks, > --- Omer > My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 09:18:22AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Omer Zak wrote: > > >This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single > >architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - > >or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the > >missing README file in the above Web site? > > In addition to what my predecessors said, please note that Debian are > using a tool called "popcon". It's an opt-in option to send the list of > installed (and used) packages to the debian project. They use it as a > popularity contest between the packages (hence the name). > > The more popular a package, the earlier it is on the CD list. They do > that to counter the 14 CDs problem you mention. I don't have any > statistics, but my guess would be that about 80% of the people can make > do with just the first CD, and 90% with just the first two. > > Please note, however, that some Israeli only use pattern are unlikely to > make it into the first CDs. Two such patterns that come to mind are > Culmus and PPTP. Personally, I find that downloading the missing stuff > off the internet is faster for me than hanging around with all CDs. pptp should be on the first CD, just like pppoe. At least on the netinstl CD they are. However do you want to make Debian Ehad (A single CD with most of the relevant software for israelies)? Basically what you need is to maintain a slightly modified pool of packages on that CD. Should be possible to be done automatically, given a mirror on the same machine. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Thanks Shachar, I'll need to have PPTP on hand before starting to install, because otherwise I'll not have Internet connection to download the rest of Debian packages. Question whose best answer is "RTFM the document at ___": If I want to avoid having to download another CD-ROM just for a single package, how should I structure the directory tree somewhere in my PC (/var/cache or whatever) and specify it in sources.list, so that apt-get/dselect/aptitude/etc. would accept it as a source for Debian packages? (Could I just emulate the directory structure which I find in the CD?) (My PC's hard disk has several partitions, so I am going to retain my current RedHat 8.0 installation in some partitions, and install Debian in currently-empty partitions - so I can leave packages in one of the RedHat partitions and have Debian installer mount it & access the packages there - but I need to know what directory structure and auxiliary files to have on hand. The RedHat 8.0 stuff will go away once I complete migration to Debian.) --- Omer My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html Shachar Shemesh wrote: Omer Zak wrote: This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the missing README file in the above Web site? In addition to what my predecessors said, please note that Debian are using a tool called "popcon". It's an opt-in option to send the list of installed (and used) packages to the debian project. They use it as a popularity contest between the packages (hence the name). The more popular a package, the earlier it is on the CD list. They do that to counter the 14 CDs problem you mention. I don't have any statistics, but my guess would be that about 80% of the people can make do with just the first CD, and 90% with just the first two. Please note, however, that some Israeli only use pattern are unlikely to make it into the first CDs. Two such patterns that come to mind are Culmus and PPTP. Personally, I find that downloading the missing stuff off the internet is faster for me than hanging around with all CDs. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Hi, PPTP - place 2856. Culmus - place 8939. I guess they also have a factor between the installed column and the vote column. >From where do I know that? http://popcon.debian.org/ > Omer Zak wrote: > >> This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single >> architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - >> or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the >> missing README file in the above Web site? > > In addition to what my predecessors said, please note that Debian are > using a tool called "popcon". It's an opt-in option to send the list of > installed (and used) packages to the debian project. They use it as a > popularity contest between the packages (hence the name). > > The more popular a package, the earlier it is on the CD list. They do > that to counter the 14 CDs problem you mention. I don't have any > statistics, but my guess would be that about 80% of the people can make > do with just the first CD, and 90% with just the first two. > > Please note, however, that some Israeli only use pattern are unlikely to > make it into the first CDs. Two such patterns that come to mind are > Culmus and PPTP. Personally, I find that downloading the missing stuff > off the internet is faster for me than hanging around with all CDs. > > Shachar > > -- > Shachar Shemesh > Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. > http://www.lingnu.com/ > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Omer Zak wrote: This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the missing README file in the above Web site? In addition to what my predecessors said, please note that Debian are using a tool called "popcon". It's an opt-in option to send the list of installed (and used) packages to the debian project. They use it as a popularity contest between the packages (hence the name). The more popular a package, the earlier it is on the CD list. They do that to counter the 14 CDs problem you mention. I don't have any statistics, but my guess would be that about 80% of the people can make do with just the first CD, and 90% with just the first two. Please note, however, that some Israeli only use pattern are unlikely to make it into the first CDs. Two such patterns that come to mind are Culmus and PPTP. Personally, I find that downloading the missing stuff off the internet is faster for me than hanging around with all CDs. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Haggai Eran wrote: > I'm not sure, but it's certainly possible that debian would take 14 discs. > > If you want a really minimal cd, download the netboot installer cd, which > contains only the base system. then you can download just the packages you > want. Otherwise, the first cd is a good choice too. Lior Kaplan wrote: Woody was 7 CDs... Sarge is much larger. The first CD should be enough for most things. Thanks, Haggai and Lior. From your answers I understand that sarge-i386-1.jigdo is the file to be initially downloaded. (I do not need to keep download time as short as possible, and it would be nice to have a full CD.) Gmar Hatima Tova, --- Omer My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Debian Testing CD images
Woody was 7 CDs... Sarge is much larger. The first CD should be enough for most things. > I would like to prepare an installation CD with up-to-date Debian > Testing packages, for installation on PCs. > > So, I found >http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ > which referred me to >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/ > for official jigdo images for CD > Then I see at >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ > that there are sarge-i386-N.jigdo files, for N in range 1,2,...,14! > (Note: once I have a *.jigdo file, I know how to convert it into > a CD). > > This is confusing to me. I thought that Debian (for a single > architecture) fits into 7 CD's, and now it seems to fit into 14 CD's - > or did I miss something which is too obvious to be explained in the > missing README file in the above Web site? > > Is the sarge-i386-1.jigdo the one, which I want to use, if my plan is to > install minimal Debian installation and then complete it by bringing > over more packages via the Internet? > Thanks, > --- Omer > My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
