Re: document organization system
Arie Folger wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:47, Gad wrote: Isn't that the same idea as WinFS (planned for the next big version of Windows) and GNUFS? GNUwhat? I googled and got nothing useful. Could you enlighten us, please? Arie Sorry, what I meant was actually Storage, not GNUFS (which also exists but is apparently much less developed). Storage is an exciting project to replace the traditional filesystem with a new document store. Storage is part of a larger design for a new desktop environment, more details on that to come. The current implementation offers natural language access, network transparency, and a number of other features... http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/index.html Cheers, Gad -- http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~gabraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
On Friday 05 December 2003 10:51, Aaron wrote: Hmm, just what I need for my projects, did you try the download?? Is it at all usable?? Aaron No, I never did. I was waiting for it to become more mature. Arie -- If an important person, out of humility, does not want to rely on [the Law, as applicable to his case], let him behave as an ascetic. However, permission was not granted to record this in a book, to rule this way for the future generations, and to be stringent of one's own accord, unless he shall bring clear proofs from the Talmud [to support his argument]. paraphrase of Rabbi Asher ben Ye'hiel, as quoted by Rabbi Yoel Sirkis, Ba'h, Yoreh De'ah 187:9, s.v. Umah shekatav. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
On Friday 05 December 2003 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a couple of days ago Magnolia 1.0 was announced. It's still not there, but they list WebDAV first in their roadmap. (which was just what I would look at to get what you want) http://www.obinary.com/en/magnolia.html Magnolia is a CMS, not a database layer between the filesystem and the X apps. Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
On Friday 05 December 2003 11:47, Gad wrote: Isn't that the same idea as WinFS (planned for the next big version of Windows) and GNUFS? GNUwhat? I googled and got nothing useful. Could you enlighten us, please? Arie -- If an important person, out of humility, does not want to rely on [the Law, as applicable to his case], let him behave as an ascetic. However, permission was not granted to record this in a book, to rule this way for the future generations, and to be stringent of one's own accord, unless he shall bring clear proofs from the Talmud [to support his argument]. paraphrase of Rabbi Asher ben Ye'hiel, as quoted by Rabbi Yoel Sirkis, Ba'h, Yoreh De'ah 187:9, s.v. Umah shekatav. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
On Friday 05 December 2003 11:43, Yishay Mor wrote: I think Zope's CMF might do that for you. I don't know too much about it though, because I use it candy-wrapped in plone.. Zope is something you include in your apps, IOW a rapid application development thingy, not something that provides an alternative to the current way of storing things in a hierarchical directory system. IOW, you could use Zope to implement this idea, but is it being done in the same way as newdocms? (then again, I am not sure that I described Zope properly) Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Arie Folger wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a couple of days ago Magnolia 1.0 was announced. It's still not there, but they list WebDAV first in their roadmap. (which was just what I would look at to get what you want) http://www.obinary.com/en/magnolia.html Magnolia is a CMS, not a database layer between the filesystem and the X apps. Arie Yes, but it can be exploited as a filesystem when it will support WebDAV. I think I've seen WebDAV filesystems for linux somewere, and the standard supports querying on item attributes. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Hmm I googled GNUFS and got a newsgroup, about a file about a new file system, sounds interesting but no layer etc. http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers/2003-07/msg00391.html I see that there is another project called compass on the obinary site, but talk about reinventing the wheel. I need a way to keep track of content, and retrieve it as need sending it automatically to web pages or other places as needed. I have in mind to use something like docbook or a custom schema, but magnolia is for site building. Any concrete suggestion would be most welcome. aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Hi, I guess this is a subject to new for me. Can someone give me a rundown on WebDAV. I googled and surfed and am now most confused. What is it for is it a protocol or a file system and how could it help manage content??? Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.w3.org/Authoring961001/whitehead.html Aaron wrote: Hi, I guess this is a subject to new for me. Can someone give me a rundown on WebDAV. I googled and surfed and am now most confused. What is it for is it a protocol or a file system and how could it help manage content??? Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Yishay Mor http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=43814381_0=7303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +44(0)20 7612 6963 F +44(0)20 7612 6964 AIM,Yahoo: yishaym; Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ICQ: 179772099 If this helped you, please take the time to rate the value of this post: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=yishaym ** celebrating 100 years of excellence in education www.ioe.ac.uk/centenary = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Zope is an application server for Python, so its in a way the oposite side of the scale from a IDE. CMF is a content managment system built on top of Zope Plone is a portal managment / portal generation / doc managment / community support system built on top of Zope and CMF In any case, if you're looking for a DB based alternative for system file calls, then you're right. This is not what you want. http://zope.org/ http://plone.org/ Arie Folger wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:43, Yishay Mor wrote: I think Zope's CMF might do that for you. I don't know too much about it though, because I use it candy-wrapped in plone.. Zope is something you include in your apps, IOW a rapid application development thingy, not something that provides an alternative to the current way of storing things in a hierarchical directory system. IOW, you could use Zope to implement this idea, but is it being done in the same way as newdocms? (then again, I am not sure that I described Zope properly) Arie Folger -- ** Yishay Mor http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=43814381_0=7303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +44(0)20 7612 6963 F +44(0)20 7612 6964 AIM,Yahoo: yishaym; Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ICQ: 179772099 If this helped you, please take the time to rate the value of this post: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=yishaym ** celebrating 100 years of excellence in education www.ioe.ac.uk/centenary = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
document organization system
Hi, I returned to a site that once impressed me, only to find out development stopped (http://m-arriaga.net/software/newdocms/). I wonder if other people are working on similar project. Googling and searching freshmeat did not turn up productive results. Anybody can provide further pointers to similar projects? The idea is to organize documents in a database rather than using a directory system, so that there would be multiple ways to search for documents. This, of course, doesn't require a roject, it can be implemented with any SQL database. The smart thing is that it then becomes accessible from all applications, iow it looks and feels almost like a file system, but is really a database. One could then search for that formatted document that reported on the 2002 conference somewhere in Hawai or California where the words drumstick appeared in twice, for example. This can now only be done by running find and waiting forever, while the suggested system would hold some metadata that would make searching faster (with the disadvantage that at filing time the user has to supply the metadata. But that's not so bad as some file types don't allow for easy integration of metadate. Pictures and pdfs are good examples, although I could also think of archived web pages and more.) Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
I think Zope's CMF might do that for you. I don't know too much about it though, because I use it candy-wrapped in plone.. Arie Folger wrote: Hi, I returned to a site that once impressed me, only to find out development stopped (http://m-arriaga.net/software/newdocms/). I wonder if other people are working on similar project. Googling and searching freshmeat did not turn up productive results. Anybody can provide further pointers to similar projects? The idea is to organize documents in a database rather than using a directory system, so that there would be multiple ways to search for documents. This, of course, doesn't require a roject, it can be implemented with any SQL database. The smart thing is that it then becomes accessible from all applications, iow it looks and feels almost like a file system, but is really a database. ** Yishay Mor http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=43814381_0=7303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +44(0)20 7612 6963 F +44(0)20 7612 6964 AIM,Yahoo: yishaym; Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ICQ: 179772099 If this helped you, please take the time to rate the value of this post: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=yishaym ** celebrating 100 years of excellence in education www.ioe.ac.uk/centenary = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Isn't that the same idea as WinFS (planned for the next big version of Windows) and GNUFS? Gad -- http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~gabraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: document organization system
Just a couple of days ago Magnolia 1.0 was announced. It's still not there, but they list WebDAV first in their roadmap. (which was just what I would look at to get what you want) http://www.obinary.com/en/magnolia.html It's LGPL'ed standard-compliant J2EE application. Developed on SourceForge. Arie Folger wrote: Hi, I returned to a site that once impressed me, only to find out development stopped (http://m-arriaga.net/software/newdocms/). I wonder if other people are working on similar project. Googling and searching freshmeat did not turn up productive results. Anybody can provide further pointers to similar projects? The idea is to organize documents in a database rather than using a directory system, so that there would be multiple ways to search for documents. This, of course, doesn't require a roject, it can be implemented with any SQL database. The smart thing is that it then becomes accessible from all applications, iow it looks and feels almost like a file system, but is really a database. One could then search for that formatted document that reported on the 2002 conference somewhere in Hawai or California where the words drumstick appeared in twice, for example. This can now only be done by running find and waiting forever, while the suggested system would hold some metadata that would make searching faster (with the disadvantage that at filing time the user has to supply the metadata. But that's not so bad as some file types don't allow for easy integration of metadate. Pictures and pdfs are good examples, although I could also think of archived web pages and more.) Arie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
