Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Erez D]

my current home system is still centos 4.3,
i just re-burned my edgy cd, and will try it soon.

thanks for you reply
erez.

On 2/12/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


El lun, 12-02-2007 a las 10:48 +0200, Erez D escribió:

> i migrated from fedora, which was not stable, to centos (rhel clone)
> which was stable enough
> but missing a lot of applications, and the apps it had were of older
> versions, which did not support many needed things.
I migrated my main system, a PIII, from Fedora to Ubuntu 6.10 and noted
huge improvements in performance, speed, usability,
configuration( Hebrew in Gnome and OOo just works!) and packages
availability.


>
> at work i installed ubuntu 6.10 edy x86_64 about a month ago.
> it was easy to use as windows is
> it was stable as windows is (it crushed in 1 month more than centos in
> 2 years)
> however, i was told it is the 64bit issue.
> many apps are missing in the 64version (for example macromedia's
> oroginal flash).
> some where solved by installing the 32bit versions of firefox, flash,
> mplayer ...
> mplayer32 crashes every time so i am using the mplayer64 which is
> stable but not many codecs
> firefox32 works well
> about Nvidia: for some reason, i have to reinstall nvidia after each
> end every boot !!!
>
> what i did like about ubuntu is that it has almost any program i can
> think of ported to it and easily installed with 'apt-get program'
> although it took me a lot of time adapting to not have /etc/inittab.
You may try with Ubuntu 6.06( or Kubuntu) with long time support( LTS).
It also stills has Init. You could replace Firefox 1.5 by Swiftfox
2.0( 1) which is an optimised version of FF for GNU/ Linux. Swiftfox has
optimized versions for many processors. Regarding multimedia, Ubuntu
works well with the combination Totem/ Xine for me, but I don´t know
about 64 bits. You may check it out at the Ubuntu wiki/ forums´s
answers.
>
> so i decided to install it on a spare partition on my home machine.
> and had the problems i reported in my original mail.
So, what is going on with your home machine now?!

>
> so, what is the ubuntu convention ? which ubuntu is stable, which is
> not fully baked (aka beta), and which is alpha ?
Ubuntu 6.06 is better tuned, more stable as has LTS( 2) but many
packages as Firefox or OpenOffice are not updated( they are on 1.5.08
and 2.0.3 respectively), 6.10 is the current release and 7.04 is still
on beta.
You may also try Debian Etch as an alternative if you find that Ubuntu
does not meet your expectatives.

Links
( 1)http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm
( 2)http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases
> thanks,
> erez.
>
>
> On 2/11/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 22:35 +0200, ik escribió:
>
> >
> > The real problem with Ubuntu (that hopefully 7.06 will solve
> that) is
> > that 6.10 was half beaked when it was released, and you feel
> it.
> There were problems with some packages as, I experienced,
> Nvidia
> drivers, Flash plugin and the HAL daemon all of them solved by
> the
> updates. Another issue was the integration with some BIOS.
> Most cases
> were solved and everything is well documented at the Ubuntu
> wiki/ forum.
> Ubuntu 7.04 will solve many problems and will opens new ones
> as usual.
> Neither 6.10 or 7.04 are intended for long time support as is
> 6.06
> Julian
> >
> > Ido
> >
> > On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > hi
> > >
> > > have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and
> it crashed during
> > > install
> > > so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange
> msg:
> > >
> > > check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> > >
> > > what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am
> smart enough to
> > > install ubuntu ?
> > > (btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this
> means error, and
> > > other thinking this means ok)
> > >
> > > and at ubuntu.com they say:
> > >
> > >  ubuntu - linux for human beings
> > >
> > > go figure.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> --
> Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
--
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Julian Daich]

El lun, 12-02-2007 a las 10:48 +0200, Erez D escribió:

> i migrated from fedora, which was not stable, to centos (rhel clone)
> which was stable enough 
> but missing a lot of applications, and the apps it had were of older
> versions, which did not support many needed things.
I migrated my main system, a PIII, from Fedora to Ubuntu 6.10 and noted
huge improvements in performance, speed, usability,
configuration( Hebrew in Gnome and OOo just works!) and packages
availability. 


> 
> at work i installed ubuntu 6.10 edy x86_64 about a month ago. 
> it was easy to use as windows is
> it was stable as windows is (it crushed in 1 month more than centos in
> 2 years)
> however, i was told it is the 64bit issue.
> many apps are missing in the 64version (for example macromedia's
> oroginal flash). 
> some where solved by installing the 32bit versions of firefox, flash,
> mplayer ...
> mplayer32 crashes every time so i am using the mplayer64 which is
> stable but not many codecs
> firefox32 works well
> about Nvidia: for some reason, i have to reinstall nvidia after each
> end every boot !!! 
> 
> what i did like about ubuntu is that it has almost any program i can
> think of ported to it and easily installed with 'apt-get program'
> although it took me a lot of time adapting to not have /etc/inittab. 
You may try with Ubuntu 6.06( or Kubuntu) with long time support( LTS).
It also stills has Init. You could replace Firefox 1.5 by Swiftfox
2.0( 1) which is an optimised version of FF for GNU/ Linux. Swiftfox has
optimized versions for many processors. Regarding multimedia, Ubuntu
works well with the combination Totem/ Xine for me, but I don´t know
about 64 bits. You may check it out at the Ubuntu wiki/ forums´s
answers.
> 
> so i decided to install it on a spare partition on my home machine.
> and had the problems i reported in my original mail.
So, what is going on with your home machine now?!

> 
> so, what is the ubuntu convention ? which ubuntu is stable, which is
> not fully baked (aka beta), and which is alpha ? 
Ubuntu 6.06 is better tuned, more stable as has LTS( 2) but many
packages as Firefox or OpenOffice are not updated( they are on 1.5.08
and 2.0.3 respectively), 6.10 is the current release and 7.04 is still
on beta.
You may also try Debian Etch as an alternative if you find that Ubuntu
does not meet your expectatives.

Links
( 1)http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm
( 2)http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases
> thanks,
> erez.
> 
> 
> On 2/11/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 22:35 +0200, ik escribió:
> 
> >
> > The real problem with Ubuntu (that hopefully 7.06 will solve
> that) is
> > that 6.10 was half beaked when it was released, and you feel
> it.
> There were problems with some packages as, I experienced,
> Nvidia 
> drivers, Flash plugin and the HAL daemon all of them solved by
> the
> updates. Another issue was the integration with some BIOS.
> Most cases
> were solved and everything is well documented at the Ubuntu
> wiki/ forum.
> Ubuntu 7.04 will solve many problems and will opens new ones
> as usual.
> Neither 6.10 or 7.04 are intended for long time support as is
> 6.06
> Julian
> >
> > Ido
> >
> > On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > hi
> > >
> > > have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and
> it crashed during
> > > install
> > > so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange
> msg: 
> > >
> > > check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> > >
> > > what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am
> smart enough to
> > > install ubuntu ?
> > > (btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this
> means error, and 
> > > other thinking this means ok)
> > >
> > > and at ubuntu.com they say:
> > >
> > >  ubuntu - linux for human beings
> > >
> > > go figure. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> --
> Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Erez D]

although i am not new to linux (using it since about 1995, both as user and
sysadmin)
i am relativly new to ubuntu (and debian).

i migrated from fedora, which was not stable, to centos (rhel clone) which
was stable enough
but missing a lot of applications, and the apps it had were of older
versions, which did not support many needed things.

so i decided to test ubuntu.

at work i installed ubuntu 6.10 edy x86_64 about a month ago.
it was easy to use as windows is
it was stable as windows is (it crushed in 1 month more than centos in 2
years)
however, i was told it is the 64bit issue.
many apps are missing in the 64version (for example macromedia's oroginal
flash).
some where solved by installing the 32bit versions of firefox, flash,
mplayer ...
mplayer32 crashes every time so i am using the mplayer64 which is stable but
not many codecs
firefox32 works well
about Nvidia: for some reason, i have to reinstall nvidia after each end
every boot !!!

what i did like about ubuntu is that it has almost any program i can think
of ported to it and easily installed with 'apt-get program'
although it took me a lot of time adapting to not have /etc/inittab.

so i decided to install it on a spare partition on my home machine. and had
the problems i reported in my original mail.

the subject is 'ubuntu for smart human beings only' becuase the error report
i got was cryptic, which does not suit
a distribution which calles itself 'linux for human beings'. and not because
i didn't understand the error msg.

so, what is the ubuntu convention ? which ubuntu is stable, which is not
fully baked (aka beta), and which is alpha ?

thanks,
erez.


On 2/11/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 22:35 +0200, ik escribió:

>
> The real problem with Ubuntu (that hopefully 7.06 will solve that) is
> that 6.10 was half beaked when it was released, and you feel it.
There were problems with some packages as, I experienced, Nvidia
drivers, Flash plugin and the HAL daemon all of them solved by the
updates. Another issue was the integration with some BIOS. Most cases
were solved and everything is well documented at the Ubuntu wiki/ forum.
Ubuntu 7.04 will solve many problems and will opens new ones as usual.
Neither 6.10 or 7.04 are intended for long time support as is 6.06
Julian
>
> Ido
>
> On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed
during
> > install
> > so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
> >
> > check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> >
> > what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough
to
> > install ubuntu ?
> > (btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error,
and
> > other thinking this means ok)
> >
> > and at ubuntu.com they say:
> >
> >  ubuntu - linux for human beings
> >
> > go figure.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Peter]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Yotam Rubin wrote:


I don't want to be rude or anything, but your subject was rather ironic:
"Linux for smart HUMEN beings"
Eheheh.


Yeah, the 'U' could be a misspelling of 'Y' ...

P.

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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Yotam Rubin]

I don't want to be rude or anything, but your subject was rather ironic:
"Linux for smart HUMEN beings"
Eheheh.

On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hi

have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed
during install
so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:

check finished: 0 checksums failed.

what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough to
install ubuntu ?
(btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
other thinking this means ok)

and at ubuntu.com they say:

ubuntu - linux for human beings

go figure.

Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Ilya Konstantinov]

Chaim, you don't need to feel bad about being confused. I think he simply
misspelled "human being".

On 2/11/07, Chaim Keren Tzion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sorry but I'm a bit confused. What exactly is a "humen being"?

Chaim

On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:06, Erez D wrote:
> hi
>
> go figure.

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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Julian Daich]

El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 22:35 +0200, ik escribió:

> 
> The real problem with Ubuntu (that hopefully 7.06 will solve that) is
> that 6.10 was half beaked when it was released, and you feel it.
There were problems with some packages as, I experienced, Nvidia
drivers, Flash plugin and the HAL daemon all of them solved by the
updates. Another issue was the integration with some BIOS. Most cases
were solved and everything is well documented at the Ubuntu wiki/ forum.
Ubuntu 7.04 will solve many problems and will opens new ones as usual.
Neither 6.10 or 7.04 are intended for long time support as is 6.06  
Julian
> 
> Ido
> 
> On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed during
> > install
> > so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
> >
> > check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> >
> > what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough to
> > install ubuntu ?
> > (btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
> > other thinking this means ok)
> >
> > and at ubuntu.com they say:
> >
> >  ubuntu - linux for human beings
> >
> > go figure.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[ik]

Out of my own experience with Ubuntu, if you do have a problem with
some packages, or with the installation itself, you will see different
result, including an error message about it.

The real problem with Ubuntu (that hopefully 7.06 will solve that) is
that 6.10 was half beaked when it was released, and you feel it.

Ido

On 2/11/07, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

hi

have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed during
install
so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:

check finished: 0 checksums failed.

what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough to
install ubuntu ?
(btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
other thinking this means ok)

and at ubuntu.com they say:

 ubuntu - linux for human beings

go figure.






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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Chaim Keren Tzion]

Sorry but I'm a bit confused. What exactly is a "humen being"?

Chaim

On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:06, Erez D wrote:
> hi
>
> go figure.

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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Peter]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Erez D wrote:


just to note.
the same computer is running centos 4.x for about 3 years 24/7
with no problems. so i assume the hardware is ok. but i will check


You may find that the copilation options make a difference if the memory 
is marginal. Things like stepping etc affect the memory bandwidth used 
and can cause a crash or hang under certain circumstances. Also 'no 
name' memory often lies about the real performance.


Peter

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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Erez D]

just to note.
the same computer is running centos 4.x for about 3 years 24/7
with no problems. so i assume the hardware is ok. but i will check


On 2/11/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, David Suna wrote:

> I ran into a similar problem with Ubuntu Dapper.  The problem turned out
to
> be a faulty memory chip.

And one of the best ways to find it is to run memcheck from a knoppix cd
for some time (1-2 hours).

Peter

Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Peter]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, David Suna wrote:

I ran into a similar problem with Ubuntu Dapper.  The problem turned out to 
be a faulty memory chip.


And one of the best ways to find it is to run memcheck from a knoppix cd 
for some time (1-2 hours).


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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Julian Daich]

El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 14:33 +0200, Erez D escribió:
> well, my hardware is:
> p4 3.2G HT
> 120GB sata hd
> 0.5GB ram.
You can check for RAM errors also. Bad RAMs can the also the cause of
installation crashes. Especially when trying to install from the live
cd. If I not wrong, the OS is already loaded in you RAM.
> 
> a clarification - by crush i ment 'hanged'.
Sometimes hanging is not crushing. It happens to me helping a friend
installing Xubuntu. The computer hanged for more than 20 minutes after
copying the files while begun to configure the system, but the install
process finished without inconveniences.
> i tried twice, and it hanged both times at the same place
> (don't  remember exactly what pkg it was, i'll check it when i get
> home). 
Try also with other cd if problems persist.
> 
> tnx,
> erez.
> 
> On 2/11/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 11:06 +0200, Erez D escribió:
> > hi
> >
> > have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it
> crashed
> > during install
> You forgot to tell us what your pc is, when exactly it crashes
> during 
> the install process and if you did try again.
> > so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
> >
> > check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> >
> > i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means
> error, and 
> > other thinking this means ok
> Well as you already noted, the checksum results are sometimes
> ambiguous.
> I had the case of one cd that I received from Cannonical that
> worked
> fine in one PC, but crashed at the end of the installing
> while¨ Removing 
> unnecessary packages¨ in other and in both I received the
> checksum
> message that you had. I tried with other cd that I burned by
> myself and
> everything was ok.
> Maybe other members of the list knows better how checksum
> works, or if 
> the problem can be related to the cd or the cd reader.
> Rgds,
> 
> Julian
> >
> > and at ubuntu.com they say:
> >
> > ubuntu - linux for human beings
> >
> > go figure. 
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[David Suna]

I ran into a similar problem with Ubuntu Dapper.  The problem turned out 
to be a faulty memory chip.


David Suna
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Erez D wrote:

well, my hardware is:
p4 3.2G HT
120GB sata hd
0.5GB ram.

a clarification - by crush i ment 'hanged'.
i tried twice, and it hanged both times at the same place
(don't  remember exactly what pkg it was, i'll check it when i get home).

tnx,
erez.

On 2/11/07, *Julian Daich* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 11:06 +0200, Erez D escribió:
> hi
>
> have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed
> during install
You forgot to tell us what your pc is, when exactly it crashes during
the install process and if you did try again.
> so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
>
> check finished: 0 checksums failed.
>
> i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
> other thinking this means ok
Well as you already noted, the checksum results are sometimes
ambiguous.
I had the case of one cd that I received from Cannonical that worked
fine in one PC, but crashed at the end of the installing while¨
Removing
unnecessary packages¨ in other and in both I received the checksum
message that you had. I tried with other cd that I burned by
myself and
everything was ok.
Maybe other members of the list knows better how checksum works,
or if
the problem can be related to the cd or the cd reader.
Rgds,

Julian
>
> and at ubuntu.com  they say:
>
> ubuntu - linux for human beings
>
> go figure.
>
>
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Erez D]

well, my hardware is:
p4 3.2G HT
120GB sata hd
0.5GB ram.

a clarification - by crush i ment 'hanged'.
i tried twice, and it hanged both times at the same place
(don't  remember exactly what pkg it was, i'll check it when i get home).

tnx,
erez.

On 2/11/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 11:06 +0200, Erez D escribió:
> hi
>
> have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed
> during install
You forgot to tell us what your pc is, when exactly it crashes during
the install process and if you did try again.
> so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
>
> check finished: 0 checksums failed.
>
> i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
> other thinking this means ok
Well as you already noted, the checksum results are sometimes ambiguous.
I had the case of one cd that I received from Cannonical that worked
fine in one PC, but crashed at the end of the installing while¨ Removing
unnecessary packages¨ in other and in both I received the checksum
message that you had. I tried with other cd that I burned by myself and
everything was ok.
Maybe other members of the list knows better how checksum works, or if
the problem can be related to the cd or the cd reader.
Rgds,

Julian
>
> and at ubuntu.com they say:
>
> ubuntu - linux for human beings
>
> go figure.
>
>
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Julian Daich]

El dom, 11-02-2007 a las 11:06 +0200, Erez D escribió:
> hi
> 
> have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed
> during install
You forgot to tell us what your pc is, when exactly it crashes during
the install process and if you did try again.  
> so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:
> 
> check finished: 0 checksums failed.
> 
> i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
> other thinking this means ok
Well as you already noted, the checksum results are sometimes ambiguous.
I had the case of one cd that I received from Cannonical that worked
fine in one PC, but crashed at the end of the installing while¨ Removing
unnecessary packages¨ in other and in both I received the checksum
message that you had. I tried with other cd that I burned by myself and
everything was ok. 
Maybe other members of the list knows better how checksum works, or if
the problem can be related to the cd or the cd reader.
Rgds,

Julian
> 
> and at ubuntu.com they say:
> 
> ubuntu - linux for human beings
> 
> go figure.
> 
> 
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Re: ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Peter]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Erez D wrote:


hi

have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed 
during install so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange 
msg:


Usually crashes during install are caused by insufficient memory and/or 
bad disk system (e.g. incorrect cable etc)



check finished: 0 checksums failed.

what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough to
install ubuntu ?
(btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
other thinking this means ok)


$1e6 question: If there are zero errors in a process and it reports that 
is has encountered zero errors, then how many zero errors are there ? 
(Answer: orez) (no, this is not a spelling mistake for 'Erez').



ubuntu - linux for human beings


So it's clear: you are not human. No ?

Peter

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ubuntu - linux for smart humen beings only

[Erez D]

hi

have tryed to install ubuntu edgy 6.10 i386 on my pc, and it crashed during
install
so i did a 'check disk for defects' and got a strange msg:

check finished: 0 checksums failed.

what is that ? is that a psycometric test to see if i am smart enough to
install ubuntu ?
(btw, i googled for it, and i saw people thinking this means error, and
other thinking this means ok)

and at ubuntu.com they say:

ubuntu - linux for human beings

go figure.