Asus CUV4X-DLS apic fun (pre8/ac22)
With apic enabled on this board, some normal amount of disk access (including building a kernel) is successful. However, irqs are messed up. The eepro100 module for the onboard 82559 nic loads, but prints this after the revision history: PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:07.0. Probably buggy MP table. Also, when booting with apic, I get this (with both MP Spec 1.1 and 1.4) ... IO APIC version: 0011 WARNING: unexpected IO-APIC, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] dmesg for both MP Spec 1.1 and 1.4 for ac8 boot are attached (it looks like there's one more irq in one of the modes, eepro has same error on both). ac22 has the same io-apic warning and eepro100 load-time messages. with noapic, dmesg includes this nugget of information after eepro100 revision history and before all the usual diagnostic s and self-tests: PCI: Enabling device 00:07.0 (0014 ->0017) PCI: Assigned IRQ 5 for device 00:07.0 This is all with the latest bios vdls1010. The changelog lists "Support Solaris 8.0 dual processor environment" so I thought it was worth a shot, but doesn't seem to fix the problem. On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, J. Nick Koston wrote: > There seems to be a major problem with this board and 2.4.x kernels. > I consistantly get SCSI Input/Output errors on multiple drives that I > know are good when running a SMP kernel. These errors do no happen > with a UP kernel. This is happening on multiple systems and with > multiple know good scsi drives of all speeds and sizes. (modified) > Test#1: > dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null > (fails with input/output error) When running this (kernel booted with noapic), I get no io errors (only ran it once), but there is a bit of disk access on sda. It seems the kernel (2.4.6-pre8) has decided to use 4MB of swap in addition to the 200+MB of physical ram. I guess this is another weird system situation that the vm could be optimized for, but at the expense of good performance for the other 99% of the world. Mem: 255436K av, 250848 used, 4588k free, 0k shared, 222712k buff swap: 205k av, 4192k used, 2045808k free 644k cached bdflush and kswapd are taking 1-5% cpu each vmstat: 1 0 0 4160 3572 219376 4232 4 2 5275 795 148 3684 2 9 89 justin Linux version 2.4.6-pre8 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #2 SMP Mon Jul 2 06:13:18 EDT 2001 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009f000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009f000 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 0fffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0fffc000 - 0000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 0000 - 1000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) Scan SMP from c000 for 1024 bytes. Scan SMP from c009fc00 for 1024 bytes. Scan SMP from c00f for 65536 bytes. found SMP MP-table at 000f5530 hm, page 000f5000 reserved twice. hm, page 000f6000 reserved twice. hm, page 000f5000 reserved twice. hm, page 000f6000 reserved twice. On node 0 totalpages: 65532 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 61436 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.1 Virtual Wire compatibility mode. OEM ID: OEM0 Product ID: PROD APIC at: 0xFEE0 Processor #3 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17 Floating point unit present. Machine Exception supported. 64 bit compare & exchange supported. Internal APIC present. SEP present. MTRR present. PGE present. MCA present. CMOV present. PAT present. PSE present. MMX present. FXSR present. XMM present. Bootup CPU Processor #0 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17 Floating point unit present. Machine Exception supported. 64 bit compare & exchange supported. Internal APIC present. SEP present. MTRR present. PGE present. MCA present. CMOV present. PAT present. PSE present. MMX present. FXSR present. XMM present. Bus #0 is PCI Bus #1 is PCI Bus #2 is ISA I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC0. Int: type 3, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 00, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 00 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 01, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 01 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 00, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 02 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 03, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 03 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 04, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 04 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 05, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 05 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 06, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 06 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 07, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 07 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 08, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 08 Int: type 0, pol 0, trig 0, bus 2, IRQ 09, APIC ID 2, APIC INT 09 Int: type 0, pol 0,
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
"Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What some people don't realize is that Microsoft *DID* do Unix a long time > ago, they were even into OS/2 Development. :-) And they annoyed not just a few application vendors when just a few months after giving the message "Go with OS/2, it is the way forward", they abandoned it in favour of NT. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
G'damn That's so poetically accurate, I've added it to my sig list. I've worked in a large tech corporation for many years, (20+) and I've relatively recently had to attempt to `open` some managerial minds, and discovered futility of it all. "A company's public perception is an invaluable asset, that must be dealt with kid gloves" (not to mention managerial politics and positioning) P.S. Yes, I think that Microsoft does have some of the better software products out there, but they'll never be able to take away my right to choose. Without Linux, I probably wouldn't say that with such confidence!!! PPSS Microsoft has proven that performance, is in fact, not everything, but Gnome, and KDE have taken that point to an extreme. PPPSSS I'm looking for that to change within 5 years. Steve Brueggeman On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:11:21 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > >Microsoft is like a mountain with their installed base. Like it >or not, no matter how loud the wind howls, the mountain cannot bow >to it. > >:-) > >Jeff > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.
This type of invasive marketing is why people aren't going to be buying MS products. (Not al people, just those who choose.) If you want to be a MS user, they have you over a barrel, if you *have* to use MS products, they have you over a barrel. Some folks, myself included, have to use MS products to get our work done. Our employer gives us no choice, but when we get home in the evenings, that choice is modified somewhat. I have 2 desktop machines, one runs Redhat 7.0, the other Window ME. I use them for completely different purposes. The WinME machine is used for stuff at the office, the Redhat machine is my programming machine, also for the office, (but they don't know that). Windows users have a choice. They can stay where they are, or move on. This means learning Linux, the Mac, or buying into MS new licensing agreement. I've made my choice. That's why I'm on this mailing list. The best thing for users to do, is let MS be who they are, and if they want to get into this licensing scam that MS is forcing on them, so be it. Be quiet about it, or at least complain to MS. Their users are going to have to force them to change their stance. It won't come from the linux-kernel mailing list. Greg Rollins Network Administrator Teksouth Corp. 205-631-1500 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ted Unangst Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 10:39 AM To: Dmitri Pogosyan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself. On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Dmitri Pogosyan wrote: > Well, this is an old as world argument used to take your freedom away - > 'law obeying citizens have nothing to fear' except that you are opting in, by purchasing the product. > Why not allow police to search your car at every moment they wish ? > If you have nothing to hide, it is just a minor inconvenience, but how > many criminals will be caught ! Let us put permanent roadblocks at > every > entrance to the cities ! microsoft != government. the us constitution only applies to government, not private industries, and certainly wouldn't help you, in canada. > And now I have to ask permission every time I put my own purchased CD in > my computer and explain and prove that I'm not a pirate. Speak about > living in freedom. you purchased it, meaning you wanted it. nobody, except maybe your boss made you buy it, and then you can always get a new job. you have as much freedom as you want, don't use ms products if you don't like them. ted -- "I promise you a police car on every sidewalk." - M. Barry Mayor of Washington, DC - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
hang from HUP'ing init in linuxrc
Recently I tried running the Debian installer on top of a 2.4.6-pre6 kernel. It got up to the point of installing libc and then the system hung. It was still taking interrupts (I could change vt's, etc.) but no user processes were running. What was happening was rather interesting. The init process was stuck inside prepare_namespace(), in the while loop here (this is lines 749 - 751 of init/main.c): pid = kernel_thread(do_linuxrc, "/linuxrc", SIGCHLD); if (pid>0) while (pid != wait()); The installer had sent a HUP signal to init. The init process thus had current->sigpending == 1. When it called wait, it got down into sys_wait4 which worked out that there were children but none were zombies, and at that point it would normally sleep, but because there were signals pending, it returned -ERESTARTSYS. Now, on the way out from the system call, the kernel noticed that it was returning to kernel mode and thus didn't deliver any signals, and sigpending stayed at 1. Thus the system was sitting in a tight loop calling wait() over and over again in kernel mode in the init process. This was on PPC. I had a look at the i386 code and AFAICS it will do the same thing. The check for whether we are returning to user mode is in do_signal there (whereas PPC does the check in entry.S) but the net effect in both cases is that we don't execute the main body of do_signal when we are returning from a syscall from a process running in kernel mode. I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is. The problem would crop up whenever we have a kernel thread which wants to wait for a child process. I don't think we want to start delivering signals to kernel threads in the same way that we do to usermode processes though. Any suggestions? Paul. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre
Correction: I said -ac13 was bad, but ac13 was actually ok. It was ac14 that was the problem spot. Also note how Alan happened to merge the MM patches in the reverse order from the preX series: in the -ac series, Rik's page_launder() patch is in -ac14, while my VM changes are merged in -ac15. In my series, it was the other way around: mine went in in -pre2, while Rik went into -pre3. In both cases, it's the page_launder() thing that triggers it. And in the -ac tree, there wasn't any interaction with other patches at all, and ac14 has the "pure" page_launder() patch that was reversed in -pre7. And to make doubly sure, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> also tested out various pre-kernels and unofficial combinations. Thanks. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Soft updates for 2.5?
On Monday 02 July 2001 04:58, Michael Rothwell wrote: > While on the topic of reslilent, high-performance filesystems, what ever > became of "Tux", Daniel Philip's mythical WAFL-type filesystem? He's working on it. -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Good god, I've created a monster. I intended to just make one point and that be the end of it, but obviously I misjudged. I should have just sent it privately so as to prevent this flood of OT posts. I apologize for that. I made a mistake, and now I know better. Sorry for the trouble. -- Regards, Kurt Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
I re-subscribed for this? Blarg. When did the LKML turn into slashdot? On 01 Jul 2001 17:33:38 -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > > > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to > > deal with microsoftisms. > > http://www.wasabisystems.com/ > > > Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates > > personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out > > of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. > > that's called capitalism. > > ted > > -- > "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, > what can I say? I'm a night owl." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Michael Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: > > > "me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects" > > > > > > Can you be more verbose about this ? > > > > I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO > > thing and Linus accidentally backed out the wrong code ;) > > You wish. > > Except it wasn't so. > > Follow the list, and read the emails that were cc'd to you. I'll try to find them, but at the moment I'm on a slow link (was at USENIX and am still a continent away from where my email is) and I'm afraid I won't have too much time for kernel stuff the next 3 weeks ;( Rik -- Executive summary of a recent Microsoft press release: "we are concerned about the GNU General Public License (GPL)" http://www.surriel.com/ http://www.conectiva.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Soft updates for 2.5?
While on the topic of reslilent, high-performance filesystems, what ever became of "Tux", Daniel Philip's mythical WAFL-type filesystem? On 01 Jul 2001 23:33:52 -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Alex Khripin wrote: > > > There was a discussion in October, 2000, about the Granger and > > McKusick paper on soft updates for the BSD FFS. Reading the thread, > > nothing conclusive seemed to come out of it. > > What you want is ext3. > > It is a journaling version of ext2, which basically > means you get all the advantages of soft updates and > a bit more (due to the atomicity that journaled > transactions can give you). > > It should be superior to softupdates in both the > consistency area and the performance area (due to > the fact that stuff is in the journal, you have > more freedom to reorder the writes to the "main" > part of the filesystem). > > regards, > > Rik > -- > Virtual memory is like a game you can't win; > However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose... > > http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ > > Send all your spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (spam digging piggy) > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Michael Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: > > "me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects" > > > > Can you be more verbose about this ? > > I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO > thing and Linus accidentally backed out the wrong code ;) You wish. Except it wasn't so. Follow the list, and read the emails that were cc'd to you. pre2 was fine, pre3 was not. ac12 was fine, ac13 was not. pre3 with the pre2 page_launder was fine. There is no question about it. The patch that caused problems was the one that was reversed. Please stop confusing the issue. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Soft updates for 2.5?
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Alex Khripin wrote: > There was a discussion in October, 2000, about the Granger and > McKusick paper on soft updates for the BSD FFS. Reading the thread, > nothing conclusive seemed to come out of it. What you want is ext3. It is a journaling version of ext2, which basically means you get all the advantages of soft updates and a bit more (due to the atomicity that journaled transactions can give you). It should be superior to softupdates in both the consistency area and the performance area (due to the fact that stuff is in the journal, you have more freedom to reorder the writes to the "main" part of the filesystem). regards, Rik -- Virtual memory is like a game you can't win; However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose... http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Send all your spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (spam digging piggy) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > In pre7: > > "me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects" > > Can you be more verbose about this ? I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO thing and Linus accidentally backed out the wrong code ;) cheers, Rik -- Virtual memory is like a game you can't win; However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose... http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Send all your spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (spam digging piggy) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns > bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available > to them. actually the mission related laptops are thinkpads running win95... http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=213 the ISS also has some running solaris x86... all sorts of other computers have flow as parts of payloads... > The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it > is something like 30 years old, but that's what they use because it is > certified. So somebody has to bring along a non-certified system in their > "personal effects" allowance to get real work done :} avionics packages onboard the suttle have been significantly updated, since first flight(understatement). atlantis was the first to fly with the glass cockpit sometime in early 2000. joelja -- Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic User Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- It is clear that the arm of criticism cannot replace the criticism of arms. Karl Marx -- Introduction to the critique of Hegel's Philosophy of the right, 1843. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote: > My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns > bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available > to them. The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it > is something like 30 years old, but that's what they use because it is > certified. So somebody has to bring along a non-certified system in their > "personal effects" allowance to get real work done :} No.. the laptops are certified too. Not all the software on them I think, but the hardware is definitely restricted and often modified. The shuttle computers are designed for ONE task -- flying the spacecraft. They are not designed to read email or play quake3. FWIW I do not think you would WANT the shuttle computers doing anything else - these are specially designed hard realtime triple redundant systems quite different from laptops. FWIW if you read the public records of space station and shuttle logs, it's downright scary how often m$ stuff causes big problems up there. -Dan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "William T Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ben Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > > > This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely. > > > > I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control > > rooms for this reason. > > It's not just MS. Aircraft control rooms (as well as nuclear power > plants, spacecraft mission control, etc.) require special certified > software to be used - it's not simply that they avoid MS, they avoid all > software that hasn't been blessed. > > My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns > bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available > to them. The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it > is something like 30 years old, but that's what they use because it is > certified. So somebody has to bring along a non-certified system in their > "personal effects" allowance to get real work done :} >From what I've heard, NASA relies heavily on modified Linux. > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely. > > I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control > rooms for this reason. It's not just MS. Aircraft control rooms (as well as nuclear power plants, spacecraft mission control, etc.) require special certified software to be used - it's not simply that they avoid MS, they avoid all software that hasn't been blessed. My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available to them. The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it is something like 30 years old, but that's what they use because it is certified. So somebody has to bring along a non-certified system in their "personal effects" allowance to get real work done :} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Justin Guyett wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Dan Hollis wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > > As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming > > increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you > > dont use m$-ware you are still forced to pay for it. > And you can get a refund if you don't agree to the license. No, you can't. (tested & proven) > Or you can build your own computer. Sure. > The OS isn't the only thing Dell or Compaq or anyone else forces on > you. Would you complain if you couldn't get a machine from a major > vendor with a certain disk drive, and were then "forced" to buy it > anyway, and trash the original drive? strawman and you know it. -Dan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
bug in __tcp_inherit_port ?
I get an occasional panic in __tcp_inherit_port(sk,child). I believe the
reason is tb=sk->prev is NULL.
sk->prev is set to NULL in only few places including __tcp_put_port(sk).
Perhaps there is a serialization problem between __tcp_inherit_port and
__tcp_put_port ??? One possibility is that sk->num != child->num.
Therefore spin_locks in the two routines do not serialize.
This code is out of my league so I couldn't debug any further. Ingo, this
is the same problem that I posted to linux-kernel couple weeks ago for
tcp_v4_syn_recv_sock.
Problem occurs when running TUX-B6, 2.4.5-ac4 with SPECweb99, dual PIII,
and one acenic adapter. It is difficult to trigger but did occur few
times so far. In the following are the oops and objdump
/bulent.
=
/* Caller must disable local BH processing. */
static __inline__ void __tcp_inherit_port(struct sock *sk, struct sock
*child)
{
struct tcp_bind_hashbucket *head =
_bhash[tcp_bhashfn(child->num)];
struct tcp_bind_bucket *tb;
spin_lock(>lock);
tb = (struct tcp_bind_bucket *)sk->prev; <** line 149
if ((child->bind_next = tb->owners) != NULL) <** panic here
tb->owners->bind_pprev = >bind_next;
tb->owners = child;
child->bind_pprev = >owners;
child->prev = (struct sock *) tb;
spin_unlock(>lock);
}
__inline__ void __tcp_put_port(struct sock *sk)
{
struct tcp_bind_hashbucket *head = _bhash[tcp_bhashfn(sk->num)];
struct tcp_bind_bucket *tb;
spin_lock(>lock);
tb = (struct tcp_bind_bucket *) sk->prev;
if (sk->bind_next)
sk->bind_next->bind_pprev = sk->bind_pprev;
*(sk->bind_pprev) = sk->bind_next;
sk->prev = NULL;
sk->num = 0;
if (tb->owners == NULL) {
if (tb->next)
tb->next->pprev = tb->pprev;
*(tb->pprev) = tb->next;
kmem_cache_free(tcp_bucket_cachep, tb);
}
spin_unlock(>lock);
}
oops output
NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0008
printing eip:
c0247a34
*pde =
Oops:
CPU:0
EIP:0010:[]
EFLAGS: 00010246
eax: ebx: f74224c0 ecx: edx: f74224c0
esi: f750 edi: f71e6cf0 ebp: f74225b4 esp: c0313c00
ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018
Process swapper (pid: 0, stackpage=c0313000)
Stack: f2a55ec4 f2d6bf64 459d1162 f74224c0 c024aff9 f74224c0 f2a55ec4
f2d6bf64
459d1163 459d1162 459d1163 1000 f74225b4
f740f58c
f7760c00 c022a3c5 f740f58c c0231e76 e11d2a9c f7760cd8 f740083c
Call Trace: [] [] [] []
[]
[] [] [] [] []
[]
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[]
[] [] [] [] []
[]
[] [] [] [] []
[]
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Code: 8b 41 08 89 43 18 85 c0 74 09 8b 51 08 8d 43 18 89 42 1c 89
<0>Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!
In interrupt handler - not syncing
ksymoops output
Code; c0247a34
<_EIP>:
Code; c0247a34
0: 8b 41 08 mov0x8(%ecx),%eax //panics in
child->bind_next=tb->owners
Code; c0247a37
3: 89 43 18 mov%eax,0x18(%ebx)
Code; c0247a3a
6: 85 c0 test %eax,%eax
Code; c0247a3c
8: 74 09 je 13 <_EIP+0x13> c0247a47
Code; c0247a3e
a: 8b 51 08 mov0x8(%ecx),%edx
Code; c0247a41
d: 8d 43 18 lea0x18(%ebx),%eax
Code; c0247a44
10: 89 42 1c mov%eax,0x1c(%edx)
Code; c0247a47
13: 89 00 mov%eax,(%eax)
objdump -S
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/include/asm/spinlock.h:104
c0247a21: f0 fe 0e lock decb (%esi)
c0247a24: 0f 88 85 79 03 00js c027f3af
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c:149
c0247a2a: 8b 54 24 14 mov0x14(%esp,1),%edx
c0247a2e: 8b 8a a4 00 00 00mov0xa4(%edx),%ecx //tb =
sk->prev
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c:150
c0247a34: 8b 41 08 mov0x8(%ecx),%eax //
child->bind_next=tb->owners
c0247a37: 89 43 18 mov%eax,0x18(%ebx)
c0247a3a: 85 c0test %eax,%eax
c0247a3c: 74 09je c0247a47
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c:151
c0247a3e: 8b 51 08 mov0x8(%ecx),%edx
c0247a41: 8d 43 18 lea0x18(%ebx),%eax
c0247a44: 89 42 1c mov%eax,0x1c(%edx)
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c:152
c0247a47: 89 59 08 mov%ebx,0x8(%ecx)
/usr/src/linux-2.4.5-ac4/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c:153
c0247a4a: 8d 41 08 lea0x8(%ecx),%eax
c0247a4d: 89 43 1c mov%eax,0x1c(%ebx)
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Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Microsoft is like a mountain with their installed base. Like it or not, no matter how loud the wind howls, the mountain cannot bow to it. :-) Jeff > Paul Mundt wrote: > > >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: > > > >>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. > >>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. > >> > >You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're > >working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. > >MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > > > > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to > deal with microsoftisms. > > [ . . . ] > > >>When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux > >>and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. > >> > >This makes absolutely no sense. You didn't have a problem with MS originally, > >but as soon as Win95 came out you instantly hated them? A few issues with an > >OS are hardly valid grounds for "hating" a company. > > > >Also, I don't see how once you discovered Linux your hatred for MS grew. This > >also makes very little sense. If you were sitting there using MS products of > > > It makes perfect sense to me. Take my family as an example. My wife > used Windows because she didn't know anything else existed. She crashed > and rebooted quite frequently and never knew there was an alternative. > Then she met me and was rather astounded that I hadn't rebooted my > machine in months. Now she hates Microsoft because she realizes what > bullshit she went through. > > > [ . . . ] > > >Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world > >countries can't afford licenses of win2k. > > > > Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates > personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out > of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. > > (Disclaimer: This statistic was from 2 or 3 years ago. I don't know > what the figures are now.) > > -- > :__o > : -\<, > : 0/ 0 > --- > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[PATCH] SAK broken since 2.4.3
I wanted to show someone how nice SAK works, pressed it twice,
and lo! it not only killed the processes on the console, but
also the kernel. Very effective.
The patch below (for a private, patched 2.4.3 - line numbers
may differ) diminish this effectiveness a little. My kernel
now survives.
Andries
[PS I intend to come with another SAK patch one of these days,
but it may be for 2.5.]
--- tty_io.c~ Sat Mar 31 09:52:44 2001
+++ tty_io.cMon Jul 2 02:45:59 2001
@@ -1867,6 +1867,8 @@
*/
void do_SAK(struct tty_struct *tty)
{
+ if (!tty)
+ return;
PREPARE_TQUEUE(>SAK_tq, __do_SAK, tty);
schedule_task(>SAK_tq);
}
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Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Adam Schrotenboer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Paul Mundt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LKML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > Jim Roland wrote: > [snip] > Good for business. bad for customers. Sometimes I think that M$ could > sell us programs made by monkeys and still make money, as long as the > programs work w/ Windows (presumably the OS couldn't be by monkeys, > there has to be something of quality to sell). I thought that's who wrote their software now (monkeys). :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Marius Nita wrote: > _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but > is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as Problem: I don't like company policy Solution: Deal or get another job Why should I have to spend time finding another job, it's the company's fault for having company policies that I can't live with! They should change their policy for me! > So what I call a choice is a fare choice. And I don't see one here. Peon: Help! I installed linux at work and got fired! Oracle: You made a bad choice. Are you saying that the fact that there's only one good choice in this situation is Microsoft's fault? I hope you wouldn't say "Microsoft MADE me install linux." On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking > away all others! That is why people dislike the company. They aren't taking away anything. They're flooding the market with their software, and people are *still buying the stuff*. And people who say Excel and Powerpoint aren't the best-in-class solutions for the needs of most executives are kidding themselves. On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming > increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you > dont use m$-ware you are still forced to pay for it. And you can get a refund if you don't agree to the license. Or you can build your own computer. The OS isn't the only thing Dell or Compaq or anyone else forces on you. Would you complain if you couldn't get a machine from a major vendor with a certain disk drive, and were then "forced" to buy it anyway, and trash the original drive? Can this thread die please? Some people see choices, some don't. Some people hate microsoft, some don't. Perhaps someone should start a mailing list for "Microsoft killed my cat, wrecked my car.. now I want to sue" discussions. justin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Jim Roland wrote: >[snip] > >>>Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions >>> >do. > >>>Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as >>> >compensation > >>>for your troubles? >>> >>>This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. >>> >>Why would that make MS afraid of Linux. It should simply make them >>ignore them (b/c presumably this would make Linux harmless) >> > >Actually if you would read the tech-news articles closely, you will see they >are attacking Open Source including the GPL license, not specifically Linux. >Linux is a threat by default because it's very heavy in GPL. > Are you responding to me here, or to the previous statement? I admit that I may have made a mistake in how I said some things, and may have confused some people about how I feel about M$. M$ is not all bad. Some of their productsa re good. Without M$s efforts in the past Linux couldn't be as successful as it is, b/c M$ made the IBM clones very cheap, by licensing their products they made PCs into a huge market. (Yes, it could be argued that somebody else could have taken their place, their niche. _PLEASE_, try to understand my general points, instead of nitpicking inconsequential points.) I have a problem with M$ getting into the application business, and with their insistence on making mediocre software and then bundling it w/ Windows. I wish they would focus on their operating system and make it good, make it right. Now it is also arguable that perhaps their is little money in pure kernel/OS. And they can make more money w/ apps. But other companies have to sell their products by the merits. M$ just sells their name. Good for business. bad for customers. Sometimes I think that M$ could sell us programs made by monkeys and still make money, as long as the programs work w/ Windows (presumably the OS couldn't be by monkeys, there has to be something of quality to sell). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Ben Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Marius Nita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > > > > > >It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't > >be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? > > > > The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking > away all others! That is why people dislike the company. > I don't see them taking RedHat or Slackware away from me! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Paul Mundt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ben Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Adam Schrotenboer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LKML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to > > deal with microsoftisms. > > This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a > copy of an MS product physically present at a business location, that's > pretty much unavoidable. > > If you mean working at a place where you yourself don't have to deal with it, > it all depends what line of work you're in. If you're some form of management > person, you might choose to work with Word because everyone else does, but > that goes back to it being your decision. > > I can think of a lot of companies, such as WindRiver, QSSL, etc. where there > may be some level of involvement, but not everyone working in the company is > forced into things. What some people don't realize is that Microsoft *DID* do Unix a long time ago, they were even into OS/2 Development. :-) [snip] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Paul Mundt wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > >>Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to >>deal with microsoftisms. >> >This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a >copy of an MS product physically present at a business location, that's >pretty much unavoidable. > >If you mean working at a place where you yourself don't have to deal with it, >it all depends what line of work you're in. If you're some form of management >person, you might choose to work with Word because everyone else does, but >that goes back to it being your decision. > >I can think of a lot of companies, such as WindRiver, QSSL, etc. where there >may be some level of involvement, but not everyone working in the company is >forced into things. > I almost guarantee you that they get word docs in email. And I bet you that most of them have been hit by the microsoft scripting viruses. Even if they don't use outlook, they still get hit by the mails of those who do. >>It makes perfect sense to me. Take my family as an example. My wife >>used Windows because she didn't know anything else existed. She crashed >>and rebooted quite frequently and never knew there was an alternative. >> Then she met me and was rather astounded that I hadn't rebooted my >>machine in months. Now she hates Microsoft because she realizes what >>bullshit she went through. >> >What a petty thing to hate a corporation over. If you're using a company's >product of your own free will, any issues that might arise out of using >the product is something you accepted when you purchased the product. > >Not knowing ones options is also not the fault of MS. If you don't do your >research before getting into something, and you get screwed as a result, it's >your own fault for not looking into things before making a decision. > It kind of is the fault of MS. That is why they have so many marketing people. Remember the DR-DOS thing where you'd get misinforming errors if you didn't run MS-DOS, inmplying that anything but was inferior and was gonna cause you all kinds of hell? Of course, if you knew anything about it, you knew that it was bullshit. But you expect the entire world of non-computer people to know this??? What kind of crack are you smoking? It also isn't "your own free will". Remember the licensing agreements where the royalties paid to Microsoft were based on the number of computer systems sold whether or not they had windows on them? So if you bought a computer system (95% of the end users out there buy them pre-built) you paid for windows whether you used it or not. And if you wanted something else you paid for TWO operating systems. Even now, it is quite a challenge to purchase a computer system without buying a copy of windows. >>Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates >>personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out >>of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. >> >What does that have to do with anything? Someone makes some many, and they're >suddenly the cause of world hunger because they could donate all their money >but don't? This is also a moronic statement, as I seem to recall Gates >starting up a foundation for such things, and donating money to charity. > >While I may not like alot of the things that MS does, or care for how Gates >does business, I'm still not going to try and blame the worlds problems on >him simply because he does some things I don't like. > The point is, . . . that money came from somewhere . . . . . -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Marius Nita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:01:51PM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote: > > > You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're > > working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. > > MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > > _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but > is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as Look at it from the other side. If you were in an all AIX or HPUX environment and you wanted to support Microsoft products, it could be said that it's not fair that you have to change jobs. Oh please. > much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your > computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or something, but you > _want_ to use KOffice on Linux, and you don't care for Windows/Word > whatsoever, what are the chances that if you run down to the computer store > your "choices" will be Windows/Word, _period_! You'll then have to make sure What a load of crap. You *CAN* order a system with Linux on it, just go to some computer manufacturer and ask for it. If it's not available, install it yourself or buy a workstation from Penguin Computing, or any other Linux hardware mfg. Retail choices are where the sales are. That's not someone after you, it's business. The way to beat someone at business is either break up a monopoly or beat them at their own game. Stop blaming and do what they do better. Period. > that none of the hardware in it is Software driven-like winmodems-and that > it's supported by Linux (or whatever OS you prefer). Almost all computers out > there (from well-known compianies) ship with winmodems. How is that a choice? > You have a choice to waste $70 on a harware modem, when someone who uses > Windows doesn't? Choice is with you, not with the manufacturer. Winmodems are software driven, so instead of down-talking the manufacturer, get a driver from a Winmodem supplier. I have a Lucent Winmodem in my system right now, it came with a Compaq PC and it works just fine in Linux. PCTel makes a large chunk of winmodems and are willing to work to get a linux driver out there if we just work with them. Fact remains--be open minded, and you will find that there are lots of people who want to have their products on Linux (means more money for them in sales) if we just work with them instead of blaming them as M$ clones. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to > deal with microsoftisms. http://www.wasabisystems.com/ > Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates > personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out > of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. that's called capitalism. ted -- "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what can I say? I'm a night owl." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Tony Hoyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Mundt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Adam Schrotenboer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LKML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > Paul Mundt wrote: > > > > > You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're > > working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. > > MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > > Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's offered. > > I didn't choose to use MS, I merely chose to be able to pay the rent. > The choice is basically use MS or don't work in the computer industry. > > Hell, I'd even take a pay cut if someone had a Linux job on offer. > Never seen one... never likely to either in the near future. MS > completely owns the business world (and it's not like I've not looked > either, I'd give anything to get out of the job I'm in now but there's > very few people hiring at the moment). Actually, I work a Linux Network Manager job, and I support Solaris, Linux, and MS. MS only because some of the office folk would require more of my time if Linux is on their system (they can't deal with it). I do have the choice to put Linux on everyone's workstation and tell them that's what they must have. Don't tell me I don't have a choice. I make a lot more money because I support Linux and Unix. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
[snip] > >Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions do. > >Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as compensation > >for your troubles? > > > >This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. > > > Why would that make MS afraid of Linux. It should simply make them > ignore them (b/c presumably this would make Linux harmless) > Actually if you would read the tech-news articles closely, you will see they are attacking Open Source including the GPL license, not specifically Linux. Linux is a threat by default because it's very heavy in GPL. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]
Hi Peter. Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? >>> Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of >>> this discussion. >> The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors >> (not to be confused with the `lock registers` patch for the >> Intel processors, and I noted that the processor in question was >> a Cyrix one, hence the comment. > Oh. Sorry, I don't know about "lock halt" and its effects. > However, if it refers to the instruction sequence LOCK HLT I > find it hard to believe it would have the symptoms described. I don't have the paperwork to hand, and my memory isn't brilliant, but the bug was something along the lines of Cyrix processors trashing the SP if the instruction preceding (or following, I'm not sure which) a HLT opcode was locked, and the patch was to remove some instances in the kernel source where that occurred. It's quite possibly unrelated, but... Best wishes from Riley. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Adam Schrotenboer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LKML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! > Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not > > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and > > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). > Frankly, > > I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their > product, I'm > > free to choose not to use it. > > So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. > What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. > > I have been working as a Computer Tech for approx 5 years. > When I first started (before that period actually, I speak of my Jr high > years) > I liked MS, if only b/c it was better than the other Intel solutions > (This is approx 1993 or 1994). When OS/2 came out, I thought it was > a joke (My father had it on his computer, I couldn't even get the calculator > to run). > > When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux > and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. > > I appreciate that as a user you may have a choice. As a tech or MIS/IT, > I don't have > a choice. As such I believe that I have been "damaged" by M$. > You do have a choice over what you use. In any real-world scenario, you will have to support a lot of what you don't like--that's why it's called a JOB. Either support what's out there, or go into business for yourself where you can choose what you support or not support. I have been in IT for 15 years, and quite frankly, most computer users today who do not use a Wyse or VT100 terminal, are too dumb to use anything advanced, so they use something like Windows. Why not just let someone come up with a window manager that looks & acts like Windows 9x, perfect Wine, then put linux on their systems. Instead of blaming someone, we need to fight Microslut at their own game and not blame someone else, but come up with solutions that are better than what they have out there. We know Linux is technically superior, but we need now is something that is user-superior. Microsoft is already scared of Linux, let's give them something to be really scared of. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
- Original Message - From: "Jesse Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kurt Maxwell Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! [snip] > >In that case, I have the following options: > >1) Start my own ISP > > Only if the upstream provider doesn't require you to use windows. > > >2) Use Windows XP > >3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP > >4) Go to a different ISP > > You may not be able to find another. It took me a year. I gave up. I was > fortunate that Verio doesn't care what you have... though if you use > the dialup or basic dsl, MS is it, or no real support. > > >I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed > >for using a different OS, I still have a choice. > > No, but you might be forced out of a job. In one of the large metro areas in which I live, there are a LOT of ISPs that do not require you to use Windows, but will not support you beyond the IP layer if you don't. Use linux, install PPP with MS-CHAPv2 (with or without MPPE) for your dialup connection and it works just fine on a Winblows-only ISP. DSL or Cable, just acquire your actual IP settings program a Linksys router/hub box and be done with it. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]
Riley Williams wrote: > Hi Peter. > > >> Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? > > > Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of > > this discussion. > > The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors (not to > be confused with the `lock registers` patch for the Intel processors, > and I noted that the processor in question was a Cyrix one, hence the > comment. > Oh. Sorry, I don't know about "lock halt" and its effects. However, if it refers to the instruction sequence LOCK HLT I find it hard to believe it would have the symptoms described. -hpa - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]
Hi Peter. >> Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? > Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of > this discussion. The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors (not to be confused with the `lock registers` patch for the Intel processors, and I noted that the processor in question was a Cyrix one, hence the comment. Best wishes from Riley. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you dont use m$-ware you are still forced to pay for it. -Dan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Boot problem with 2.4.6-pre8 IDE/HPT370
At the Partition Check stage, I start getting "hde: lost interrupt" messages. /dev/hde is an IBM DTLA-307030, sitting on an HPT370 controller (motherboard is KA7-100). Eventually the partitions appear in the list, interspersed with these lost interrupt messages, but very slowly. Then there was a burst of activity until the "Activating swap partition" step, at which point the machine stopped responding. The swap partition is /dev/hde5. Just compiled 2.4.5-ac22 for comparison and that works fine. Adam - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to > deal with microsoftisms. > This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a copy of an MS product physically present at a business location, that's pretty much unavoidable. If you mean working at a place where you yourself don't have to deal with it, it all depends what line of work you're in. If you're some form of management person, you might choose to work with Word because everyone else does, but that goes back to it being your decision. I can think of a lot of companies, such as WindRiver, QSSL, etc. where there may be some level of involvement, but not everyone working in the company is forced into things. > It makes perfect sense to me. Take my family as an example. My wife > used Windows because she didn't know anything else existed. She crashed > and rebooted quite frequently and never knew there was an alternative. > Then she met me and was rather astounded that I hadn't rebooted my > machine in months. Now she hates Microsoft because she realizes what > bullshit she went through. > What a petty thing to hate a corporation over. If you're using a company's product of your own free will, any issues that might arise out of using the product is something you accepted when you purchased the product. Not knowing ones options is also not the fault of MS. If you don't do your research before getting into something, and you get screwed as a result, it's your own fault for not looking into things before making a decision. > Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates > personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out > of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. > What does that have to do with anything? Someone makes some many, and they're suddenly the cause of world hunger because they could donate all their money but don't? This is also a moronic statement, as I seem to recall Gates starting up a foundation for such things, and donating money to charity. While I may not like alot of the things that MS does, or care for how Gates does business, I'm still not going to try and blame the worlds problems on him simply because he does some things I don't like. Regards, -- Paul Mundt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> > >It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't >be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? > The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking away all others! That is why people dislike the company. -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Perhaps I should say again that my current IT job is working w/ small
businesses and personal/home installations. In these cases, as well as
with others, it is not so much the OS that I have a problem w/. It is
the insistence of an all Macroshaft solution. Windows isn't totally bad.
I would never say so. But being forced into M$ Office, MSIE, etc, and
trying to support these arguably inferior products is a real PITA.
IE, Windows Web Sharing, MS Frontpage, etc are all bad knockoffs of
other better products (IE isn't too bad, but I still don't like it, and
I dislike Outlook{, Express} even more). Because they're M$ products,
end [l]users believe that they must be more compatible or better than
other solutions, (such as Netscape, Netscape Composer, WinRoute, etc).
M$ products are not all bad, but their marketing efforts and predatory
efforts to lock people into these products is bad.
B/c M$ products are for the end luser, the lowest common denominator, I
find them annoying when they try to fix my "mistakes", b/c they think
they know better than I do. M$ is going toward Macintrash, point &
drool, etc.
J Sloan wrote:
>Tony Hoyle wrote:
>
>>I didn't choose to use MS, I merely chose to be able to pay the rent.
>>The choice is basically use MS or don't work in the computer industry.
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>
>Fortunately it's not so from what I can see, although microsoft
>is frantically working to make it so.
>
>>Hell, I'd even take a pay cut if someone had a Linux job on offer.
>>Never seen one... never likely to either in the near future.
>>
>
>Have you been living under a rock for the last 2 years?
>
>Go to dice.com and search on Linux and you will numerous
>hits. My day job is to admin Linux, Solaris and HP-UX, and
>I also get a lot of side jobs doing Linux installs and remote
>Linux admin.
>
>I wish I had time to take on all the Linux work offered to me.
>
>cu
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>jjs
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Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]
Riley Williams wrote: > > Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? > Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. -hpa - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]
Hi HPA. >> Some time ago I installed Linux (Redhat 6.0) on my pc (Cx486 8M >> RAM) and gcc had a lot of signal 11 (a couple every hour) I was >> upgrading the kernel every time there was a new kernel and from >> 2.2.12(or 14) no more signal 11 (very rare) Is this still a >> hardware problem ? Was a bug in kernel ? >> I think the last answer is more obvious.(or the gcc had a bug >> and the kernel -- a workaround). > Most likely is that your *hardware* had a bug and the new kernel > a workaround (this is quite common), but without more detail it > is very hard to know. Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? Best wishes from Riley. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Jesse Pollard wrote: >On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: > >>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> >>>I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed >>>for using a different OS, I still have a choice. >>> >>No, but you might be forced out of a job. >> > >Apologies for the followup to a followup: > >You might be if the life monitoring sensors in surgury suddenly need >to be "registered with MS, or ... will be shutdown..." ;-) > Or a BSOD. This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely. I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control rooms for this reason. -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 03:32:51PM -0700, Marius Nita wrote: > _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but > is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as > much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your > computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or something, but you > _want_ to use KOffice on Linux, and you don't care for Windows/Word > whatsoever, what are the chances that if you run down to the computer store > your "choices" will be Windows/Word, _period_! You'll then have to make sure > that none of the hardware in it is Software driven-like winmodems-and that > it's supported by Linux (or whatever OS you prefer). Almost all computers out > there (from well-known compianies) ship with winmodems. How is that a choice? > You have a choice to waste $70 on a harware modem, when someone who uses > Windows doesn't? > You have lots of choices. You're simply opting to take the quick and easy way out. Your complaint about workstations is unjustified, if you insist on buying pre-built workstations, there are many companies that you can buy linux workstations from (strange, I thought VA did something like that for awhile until they backed out of the hardware business, guess I was mistaken though, as there aren't any options). As for modems, this isn't anything but an excuse either. Broadband is very much commonplace these days.. being force into dialup is less and less of a problem these days. However, paying 70$ for a peice of trash hardware modem is no one's fault but your own, and your inability to look around. On top of that, your entire argument is broken. If you fry your machine, you have a pretty good chance of being able to just repair it instead of having to replace it with an entire new machine. Or if you can't, there's always the ever so difficult scenario of removing the damned modem from the machine and moving it over to a different one (provided you had a software modem in the alleged new one). > Then, when it comes to work, what are you choices there? You choose not to > Work for one of the Windows-based companies out there, and spend more time > looking for a different job, but at the same time you choose not to pay your > rent, feed your kids, etc. All I'm asking for is a _fair_ choice! Even if > one's lucky enough to get their preffered non-MS job, they will have to work > for some MS company while they scout around for it. So yes, we have a choice, > but going the MS way is the mch easier route. And this is all owed to the > fact that MS is driving special campaigns instilling fear in the hearts of > non-MS companies, offering "great deals on software packages", "solving your > problems the right way", making you feel that if you don't go MS you're > screwed, etc. You never see SUN, do that, do you? > In that case, you've made your choice, which is to work for a MS using company. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use MS products, you do so of your own free will. Coming up with excuses to try and justify using something you allege to hate so much is just pathetic. Also, say for some reason you are "forced" into working temporarily for such a company to pay the bills.. nothing is stopping you from looking for alternate means of employment. Seems to me you just want the quick and easy way out, and refuse to admit the possibility that there are other options. Just because you haven't taken the time to look at them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Regards, -- Paul Mundt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: What are the VM motivations??
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, watermodem wrote: [snip interior quotes] > Would never work with the ac-series. Not enough time > to form a neural pattern between builds. There is > a semi-prior art here. Unix on the Tandem (now Compaq) > Helix shipped (and maybe still does) with a Neural Net > for system sanity and tuning. Only problem is that > the learning period usually exceeds the average time > between installing releases (communications customers). > 8^) For a less ambitious approach that worked fairly well for a lot of sites (including mine) see also VMS Autogen. It was nice, having a mechanical "expert" looking over my shoulder, making suggestions, double-checking my ideas, etc. One run a week was usually enough to tune a system pretty well, for a general timesharing/batch/modest services load. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make a good day. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Paul Mundt wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: > >>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. >>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. >> >You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're >working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. >MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to deal with microsoftisms. [ . . . ] >>When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux >>and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. >> >This makes absolutely no sense. You didn't have a problem with MS originally, >but as soon as Win95 came out you instantly hated them? A few issues with an >OS are hardly valid grounds for "hating" a company. > >Also, I don't see how once you discovered Linux your hatred for MS grew. This >also makes very little sense. If you were sitting there using MS products of > It makes perfect sense to me. Take my family as an example. My wife used Windows because she didn't know anything else existed. She crashed and rebooted quite frequently and never knew there was an alternative. Then she met me and was rather astounded that I hadn't rebooted my machine in months. Now she hates Microsoft because she realizes what bullshit she went through. [ . . . ] >Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world >countries can't afford licenses of win2k. > Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates personally) has enough money to give every person in the world $10 out of his pocket, then you see this argument in a different light. (Disclaimer: This statistic was from 2 or 3 years ago. I don't know what the figures are now.) -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:23:17PM -0700, Justin Guyett wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the > > > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I > > > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself > > > > I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the > > code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should > > get legal advice about the situation? > > > > It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for > > fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded. > > presuming they are unfounded, given the history of attacks by Novell, > perhaps the best move would be to turn it over to a company like compaq or > ibm given a written contract that they will keep it open source. > Novell can't be that stupid. Don't count on it. I had completed a fully 64-bit OS in 1997 for IA64, four years before everyone else. It's been sitting in an archive somewhere inside of Novell -- unused for no other reason than I wrote it. I am waiting to see who would want it. It's open to any takers. Alan may be in a conflict of interest with Red Hat since Novell is an investor in them, so this I understand. I'll wait and see who's interested. I would not be surprised if someone from Novell asks to take it over. Jeff > > > justin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a > choice, yes, but > is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the > user area as > much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your > computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or something, but you > _want_ to use KOffice on Linux, and you don't care for Windows/Word > whatsoever, what are the chances that if you run down to the > computer store > your "choices" will be Windows/Word, _period_! You'll then have > to make sure > that none of the hardware in it is Software driven-like > winmodems-and that > it's supported by Linux (or whatever OS you prefer). Almost all > computers out > there (from well-known compianies) ship with winmodems. How is > that a choice? > You have a choice to waste $70 on a harware modem, when someone who uses > Windows doesn't? [snip] All of these 'lack of choice' arguments aren't really about lack of choice. They're about advantages that outweight disadvantages. How can you choose not to eat strawberry ice cream if it's so good and your local ice cream store doesn't carry pralines n' cream? These arguments are fine to make, but all they really say is that you prefer to use Microsoft software to the other alternatives because the other alternatives are deficient in various fundamental ways. It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:szonyi calin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > Almost always ? > It seems like gcc is THE ONLY program which gets > signal 11 > Why the X server doesn't get signal 11 ? > Why others programs don't get signal 11 ? > gcc happens to be one of the best memory testers known to man -- much better than most other programs. A big reason for that is that it accesses lots of memory in funny patterns, *AND* accesses to it are likely to be fatal. It is just the way it is. gcc doing the signal 11 is HIGHLY correlated with the hardware you are running on, which means it's *usually* hardware-related. > [... Lots of M$ flames ignored ...] > Some time ago I installed Linux (Redhat 6.0) on my pc (Cx486 8M RAM) > and gcc had a lot of signal 11 (a couple every hour) I was upgrading > the kernel every time there was a new kernel and from 2.2.12(or 14) > no more signal 11 (very rare) Is this still a hardware problem ? > Was a bug in kernel ? > > I think the last answer is more obvious.(or the gcc > had a bug and the kernel -- a workaround). Most likely is that your *hardware* had a bug and the new kernel a workaround (this is quite common), but without more detail it is very hard to know. -hpa -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at work, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ASUS A7V/Thunderbird 1GHz lockup problems observation w/fix for me
>Ever since building this system there have been spontaneous and > unpredictable lockups, usually at least once per day. Sometimes several per > day. The lockup is sometimes preceded by X starting to display things > strangely (on a Voodoo 3 w/XF 4.X). Then I have a few minutes to reboot > before it hangs (can't log in using ssh from another system.) >With the Northbridge discussion, I couldn't pinpoint anything to fix it, > so I started experimenting. >Things got better by upgrading the BIOS; but still many hangs. >I've discovered that changing the CPU voltage from the default to 1.75V > results in a stable system. Higher than that doesn't work. Lower still gets > lockups. >It doesn't look like everyone has this problem with similar setups. But > if there are others, I wanted to share this discovery. How good is your power supply? Only to be sure. You know about AMD's recommendations for a proper power supply if you are building an AMD Athlon/Duron system. Things going better with Athlon (MP) 4 and mobile Duron. The dual Athlon MP systems are another story... ...but smooth performer (I love it). MSI has a very good summary on there German website. I've piped it through Babel and sounds a bit funny, but anyway:-) [-] Ref NR: 09-0001 05.04.2001 Question/symptom: The operating system cannot be installed with my new MSI Main board. A cause: High requirements of electric current of new PCUs, diagram cards, large memory modules and some PCI cards (e.g. TV cards) provide for it that the usual 250 Watts of power packs the necessary performance any longer do not apply. Response/solution: MSI recommends to use a sufficiently dimmensioniertes power pack with following minimum values. +3.3 V - 20 ampere +5.0 V - 30 ampere Power packs with these values have usually a total output of ca.350 Watt. Please you consider however it by this also power packs give those the specification given above do not fulfill (server power packs) and therefore are unsuitable. Ref NR: 09-0003 11.04.2001 Question/symptom: Why does my Athlon Main board have so high requirements of electric current? Response/solution: Measurements or specification in the AMD data sheets resulted in, measured the following current loads on the particularly critical 3.3V-Leitung during a time demo 1 (Crusher) of Quake 3 on a MS-6167 or a MS-6195 K7T pro: Component: Maximum stream on 3.3V AMD Athlon (all clock frequencies) 9,6 A Main board + 3 DIMM of modules 2,0 A NVIDIA Geforce 256 8,6 A Total: 20,2 A [-] I am, like Alan Cox (:-) on the Athlon track since August '99 and my local dealer where I do Linux consulting sells over 95% AMD CPUs since then... Regards, Dieter -- Dieter Nützel Graduate Student, Computer Science University of Hamburg Department of Computer Science Cognitive Systems Group Vogt-Kölln-Straße 30 D-22527 Hamburg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Router problems with transparent proxy
Hi, I think I've triggered a bug in the ipchains/iptables part of the kernel. Here is the story : The server was a 866MHz PIII with 384 MByte of RAM running RH7.1 with a 2.4.5-ac21 kernel. It was used as a router/firewall with 2 netcards (not sure which type, but I don't think that's important). Using this machine as a plain router was no problem at all, and serving a class C net onto a 3 MBit line was a just a walk in the park, the machine was idle for most of the time. Then we decided to set up transparent proxy and used a pretty standard setup redirecting all port 80 accesses with ipchains to squid. Things worked fine for a while (about 2 hrs) until we noticed that the machine got extremly unresponsive on the console. A 'top' session showed us that the machine was almost a 100% in system time. If we disconnected the some of the segments on the C net, system time went down a bit. We rebooted the machine and noticed that the system time started at zero and went slowly upwards until it reached 100 (after about 2hrs) and we just needed to reboot again. We just disabled the ipchains stuff, and now the server is rock solid with a 'normal' proxy setup (and 100% idle almost all the time). Just for the record : We also tried standard RH7.1 kernels (2.4.2-2 and 2.4.3) with the same results. Any ideas ? Anybody experienced similar behaviour ? It looks like a resource leak somewhere in the IP filter code to me. Regards, -- Steffen Persvold Systems Engineer Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Scali AS (http://www.scali.com) Tlf : (+47) 22 62 89 50 Olaf Helsets vei 6 Fax : (+47) 22 62 89 51 N-0621 Oslo, Norway - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:01:51PM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote:
> You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
> working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so.
> MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish.
_I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but
is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as
much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your
computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or something, but you
_want_ to use KOffice on Linux, and you don't care for Windows/Word
whatsoever, what are the chances that if you run down to the computer store
your "choices" will be Windows/Word, _period_! You'll then have to make sure
that none of the hardware in it is Software driven-like winmodems-and that
it's supported by Linux (or whatever OS you prefer). Almost all computers out
there (from well-known compianies) ship with winmodems. How is that a choice?
You have a choice to waste $70 on a harware modem, when someone who uses
Windows doesn't?
Then, when it comes to work, what are you choices there? You choose not to
Work for one of the Windows-based companies out there, and spend more time
looking for a different job, but at the same time you choose not to pay your
rent, feed your kids, etc. All I'm asking for is a _fair_ choice! Even if
one's lucky enough to get their preffered non-MS job, they will have to work
for some MS company while they scout around for it. So yes, we have a choice,
but going the MS way is the mch easier route. And this is all owed to the
fact that MS is driving special campaigns instilling fear in the hearts of
non-MS companies, offering "great deals on software packages", "solving your
problems the right way", making you feel that if you don't go MS you're
screwed, etc. You never see SUN, do that, do you?
So what I call a choice is a fare choice. And I don't see one here.
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linux-2.4.6-pre8/drivers/mtd/nand/spia.c: undefined symbols
linux-2.4.6-pre8/drivers/mtd/nand/spia.c references four undefined symbols, presumably intended to be #define constants, although I am not sure what their values are supposed to be: IO_BASE FIO_BASE PEDR PEDDR Adam J. Richter __ __ 4880 Stevens Creek Blvd, Suite 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / San Jose, California 95129-1034 +1 408 261-6630 | g g d r a s i l United States of America fax +1 408 261-6631 "Free Software For The Rest Of Us." - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Paul Mundt wrote: > > You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're > working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. > MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's offered. I didn't choose to use MS, I merely chose to be able to pay the rent. The choice is basically use MS or don't work in the computer industry. Hell, I'd even take a pay cut if someone had a Linux job on offer. Never seen one... never likely to either in the near future. MS completely owns the business world (and it's not like I've not looked either, I'd give anything to get out of the job I'm in now but there's very few people hiring at the moment). I don't think that MS are all wrong... I even *like* Visual Studio (not the .NET one though, beta1 was unusable). It's just the creeping vendor lockin that I hate. Tony -- "Two weeks before due date, the programmers work 22 hour days cobbling an application from... (apparently) one programmer bashing his face into the keyboard." -- Dilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nothing-on.tv - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:16:34AM -0400, Trever L. Adams wrote: > > I am doing very well with my consulting projects, but to be honest, > > my family has sufferred horribly in the past four years fighting with > > Novell every other week, and there's a very strong chance I will be > > moving shop to either New Mexico or Arizona, since they own the > > local courts here in Utah (all the judges are mormons in Utah Valley > > and pro-Novell). > > Once again, we have Mr. Merkey at it. None of his problems can just be > his, or caused by Novell. They can't just be because, at one time (no > longer though), Novell was THE economy for Utah Valley (Provo/Orem > area). They can't be because he has little respect for aspects of > intellectual property (for those who believe in it or are under legal > systems that do). The mormons cause them all. > > Get real, move on, and get a life Mr. Merkey. > > For the record, I believe you are in the wrong here. I believe that > there are several non-mormon judges in the area (at least there were a > little over a year ago when I lived there). > > Yes, I am wa off topic. But lets keep it to the technology and the > law. If the finger has to be pointed, point it where it belongs and > leave the predominant (60% tops) religion out of the picture. > > Now back to your regularly schedule flame wars on different technology, > real discusion, and the real world. > > Trever Adams > > P.S. Sure, I am LDS (mormon). I have a problem with the above because > our religion requires us to stand for truth and I believe Mr. Merkey > tends to misrepresent the religion. I would have a problem with him > misrepresenting any religion (if I knew he was doing so... with many > religions I would likely not - still... it would be a problem). > > P.P.S. Any flames or responses to this that want a response will reply > in private. I will not continue this on the list. Trevor, I really think you guys should start using peyote in your temple rituals, you'd have a much better grasp on reality. Most people do not believe they are going to be gods when they die, which is what mormonisn teaches. I guess a lot of mormoms think they already are, and act like it. :-) Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > There are several areas that need restructuring and work, and I am > > available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting, > > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect > the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself > > Alan I will get with you offline and discuss this possibility. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:59:59PM -0500, Paul Fulghum wrote: > > From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Novell has recently threatened to try to take my house and > > assets if I post any more NWFS releases or MANOS. > [snip] > > They are wounded in the market ... > > A quote for the lumbering lizards at Novell > as they stumble torwards the tarpits: > > These moments will be lost in time > like tears in the rain... > time to die. I am watching the walls cave in on Provo and the view is great from Where I am sitting. :-) Jeff > > -- > Paul Fulghum > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 02:54:18AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the > > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I > > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself > > I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the > code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should > get legal advice about the situation? > > I would also expect if the FSF are not the assignee (the suggest that > they be is a very good one), then whomever does adopt it might want to > make sure they have some kind of legal representation available should > they need it. > > It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for > fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded. > Their power only extends to the borders of this state. They have little ability to interfere wth someone in Swansea, Great Britian, or even Silicon Valley, California. The problem I have is they can get the local courts here to do whatever they ask. Not so other places. I think it's pretty safe so long as I am not the one releasing it. Jeff > > --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Client receives TCP packets but does not ACK
> The bad network behavior was due to shared irqs somehow screwing > things up. This explained most but not all of the problems. ah, that's why your test pgm succeeded on my systems.. > When I last posted I had a reproducible test case which spewed a bunch > of packets from a server to a client. The behavior is that the client > eventually stops ACKing and so the the connection stalls indefinitely. > packet. I added printk statements for each of these conditions in > hopes of detecting why the final packet is not acked. I recompiled > the kernel, and reran the test. The result was that the packet was > being droped in tcp_rcv_established() due to an invalid checksum. I Ouch! In the interests of not having it be so painful to identify the problem (to this point, i.e. TCP drops due to checksum failures) the next time around, I'd like to ask: - Were you seeing any bad csum error messages in /var/log/messages? i.e. or else was it only TCP? - Was the stats field /proc/net/snmp/Tcp:InErrs reflecting those drops? - What additional logging/stats gathering would have made this (silent drops due to checksum failures by TCP) easier to detect? My 2c: The stat TcpInErrs is updated for most TCP input failures. So its not obvious (unless youre real familiar with TCP) that there are checksum failures happening. It actually includes only these errors: - checksum failures - header len problems - unexpected SYN's Is this adequate as a diagnostic, or would adding a breakdown counter(s) for checksum (and other) failures be useful? At the moment, there is no logging TCP does on a plain vanilla kernel, you have to recompile the kernel with NETDEBUG in order to see logged checksum failures, at least at the TCP level. It would be nice to have people be able to look at a counter or stat on the fly and tell whether they're having packets silently dropped due to checksum failures (and other issues) without needing to recompile the kernel... Any thoughts? thanks, Nivedita --- I'd appreciate a cc since I'm not subscribed.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
My summer project: XMLFS
For quite some time now I've wanted to try and do something in the kernel. And I need a simple project to start with, so I decided to create a filesystem that reads and writes to a XML file. It's really basic right now (does not support permissions, but that should not be too hard to add) and does not like XML files with errors in them. If any of you want to try it (and possibly lock your system in the process) you can download it from http://sethstoybox.org/projects/xmlfs/xmlfs.tgz. I've had it compile under 2.4.2, 2.4.3, 2.4.5 on Debian and Mandrake systems. I know it's kinda pointless (and really silly to put an XML parser in the kernel), but I had fun. Comments (outside of "this is totally stupid") are greatly appreciated. thanks l8r Seth Hartbecke -- A man that would sacrifice his freedom for security deserves neither. -- Charles Louis de Secundat, 1774 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] rio500 devfs support
It's working beautifully here. I'll forward the patch to the maintainer, since I have no idea if he's seen this thread. Cheers! PGP signature
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Hua Zhong wrote: > There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is > much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no > other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can > Macintosh). I don't agree with this. http://www.ultraviolet.org/treed/writings/display.php3?document=easy -- Tracy Reed http://www.ultraviolet.org Linux: Because freedom is priceless. PGP signature
RE: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > > In that case, I have the following options: > > 1) Start my own ISP > > 2) Use Windows XP > > 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP > > 4) Go to a different ISP Argument. > > I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I > > won't be killed > > for using a different OS, I still have a choice. Argument. > But these are false alternatives! "I'll give you a choice, I remove > either your right foot or your left arm. Your choice." Gun. > The choice > of "neither" is not given. Gun. > All I want is true alternatives. I > hope that one of those alternatives will be to opt out of the > coercive, advertising rich, commercial environment that is in > our future. Go ahead and opt out. The only one using or threatening force here seems to be you. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Paul Mundt wrote: > > Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world > countries can't afford licenses of win2k. Absolutely. If their governments didn't have to shell out such a large amount of money on M$ licenses, they'd have more money to feed their people with... ;-) Regards, /Mike - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Paul Mundt wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: > >>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. >>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. >> >You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're >working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. >MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > >>When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux >>and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. >> >This makes absolutely no sense. You didn't have a problem with MS originally, >but as soon as Win95 came out you instantly hated them? A few issues with an >OS are hardly valid grounds for "hating" a company. > A few issues, yeah right. I have had many problems. Much of my hatred has to do with their bundling. > >Also, I don't see how once you discovered Linux your hatred for MS grew. This >also makes very little sense. If you were sitting there using MS products of >your own accord, discovered a new system, and then migrated to the other >system, that's hardly a reason to demand the head of Gates because you somehow >feel you are being "forced" (of your own accord) to use their products. > It didn't grow b/c of that. Never assume. > >Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions do. >Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as compensation >for your troubles? > >This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. > Why would that make MS afraid of Linux. It should simply make them ignore them (b/c presumably this would make Linux harmless) > > >>I appreciate that as a user you may have a choice. As a tech or MIS/IT, >>I don't have a choice. As such I believe that I have been "damaged" by M$. >> >Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world >countries can't afford licenses of win2k. > There's always theft too, but that's beside the point. Actually, maybe M$ causes world hunger because its tools for management are crap, or maybe BillGates is a Habbalite. (xref In Nomine). > >Regards, > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Slackware 8
No need to worry, I'm already downloading the ISOs. All will be well soon enough :-D -- www.kuro5hin.org -- technology and culture, from the trenches. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: >On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >>I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed >>for using a different OS, I still have a choice. > >No, but you might be forced out of a job. Apologies for the followup to a followup: You might be if the life monitoring sensors in surgury suddenly need to be "registered with MS, or ... will be shutdown..." ;-) - Jesse I Pollard, II Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any opinions expressed are solely my own. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote: >> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not >> > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and >> > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). >> > Frankly, I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their >> > product, I'm free to choose not to use it. >> >> You do understand, don't you, that microsoft is >> working frantically to take that choice away from >> you? it's easy to sit back and say it doesn't affect >> you, til one day you realize that you can't connect >> to your ISP unless you are running windows xp. >> >> Then it hits you, and it's too late. > >In that case, I have the following options: >1) Start my own ISP Only if the upstream provider doesn't require you to use windows. >2) Use Windows XP >3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP >4) Go to a different ISP You may not be able to find another. It took me a year. I gave up. I was fortunate that Verio doesn't care what you have... though if you use the dialup or basic dsl, MS is it, or no real support. >I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed >for using a different OS, I still have a choice. No, but you might be forced out of a job. - Jesse I Pollard, II Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any opinions expressed are solely my own. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: > So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. > What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. > You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. > When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux > and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. > This makes absolutely no sense. You didn't have a problem with MS originally, but as soon as Win95 came out you instantly hated them? A few issues with an OS are hardly valid grounds for "hating" a company. Also, I don't see how once you discovered Linux your hatred for MS grew. This also makes very little sense. If you were sitting there using MS products of your own accord, discovered a new system, and then migrated to the other system, that's hardly a reason to demand the head of Gates because you somehow feel you are being "forced" (of your own accord) to use their products. Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions do. Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as compensation for your troubles? This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. > I appreciate that as a user you may have a choice. As a tech or MIS/IT, > I don't have a choice. As such I believe that I have been "damaged" by M$. > Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world countries can't afford licenses of win2k. Regards, -- Paul Mundt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Possible problem with IDE device driver in kernel.
I would like to report a bug that I've seen in a few linux kernels now. This may be a serious problem with the IDE controler software because it may cause a hard drive to ware out over a period of time. I've noticed for a long time that when linux is loaded the hard drive light on my computer goes on and stays on. It never turns off. If I boot with windows the light turns off. I think it may be the device driver that forgets to turn of the light. Could one of you please confirm if this is a problem with the kernel and get back to me if it is not. Thank you, Philip V. Neves - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Hua Zhong wrote: >-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > >>You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. >> > >There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is >much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no >other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can >Macintosh). > >One of my dreams is someday Linux can really be a great desktop operating >system, but you know that's not yet real now. > Yes, and I am not arguing that all my customers should go Linux. But the way that MS goes marketing their crappy products, bundling w/ Windblows is atrocious. I have gotten very sick and tired of every one thinking that because Word is MS product, it must be perfect, or if not perfect, and least the best possible. I am also sick of being expected to use MS products, or lose out on school assignments and business b/c M$ was an asshole and doesn't support Wordperfect, Star Office, etc (yes, I know that star office can read word) Because of their predatory practices I am stuck w/ their mediocre products. I must support their products; I am expected to get a MCSE so I can get a job (at the moment I work for my father, so I don't need one). If I want to set up a Linux server (my father and I are working on making this a solution for a few of our larger customers) I still have to deal with interoperatbility with a system that breaks all the rules (standards) makes their own, etc. Yes, I do do the work, b/c it makes me money (not enough, b/c I can't get enuff hours, but the hourly pay is terrific), doesn't mean that I have a choice of whom I support. Yes, I could just drop the field. But that would mean giving up, and that doesn't sound like a choice either. So I work within the system to change it. Meanwhile, if this was something else, I could probably sue for emotional damage or something else (tongue in cheek). If I was imprisoned wrongly, I could get compensation right(don't ansewer this, it's rhetorical). But don't just tell me to butt out, b/c I can't change it. I refuse to believe that. > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > In that case, I have the following options: > 1) Start my own ISP > 2) Use Windows XP > 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP > 4) Go to a different ISP > > I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed > for using a different OS, I still have a choice. But these are false alternatives! "I'll give you a choice, I remove either your right foot or your left arm. Your choice." The choice of "neither" is not given. All I want is true alternatives. I hope that one of those alternatives will be to opt out of the coercive, advertising rich, commercial environment that is in our future. Regards, Lew Wolfgang - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the > > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I > > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself > > I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the > code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should > get legal advice about the situation? > > It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for > fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded. presuming they are unfounded, given the history of attacks by Novell, perhaps the best move would be to turn it over to a company like compaq or ibm given a written contract that they will keep it open source. Novell can't be that stupid. justin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
ASUS A7V/Thunderbird 1GHz lockup problems observation w/fix for me
Ever since building this system there have been spontaneous and unpredictable lockups, usually at least once per day. Sometimes several per day. The lockup is sometimes preceded by X starting to display things strangely (on a Voodoo 3 w/XF 4.X). Then I have a few minutes to reboot before it hangs (can't log in using ssh from another system.) With the Northbridge discussion, I couldn't pinpoint anything to fix it, so I started experimenting. Things got better by upgrading the BIOS; but still many hangs. I've discovered that changing the CPU voltage from the default to 1.75V results in a stable system. Higher than that doesn't work. Lower still gets lockups. It doesn't look like everyone has this problem with similar setups. But if there are others, I wanted to share this discovery. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.5 NFS io errors
Nope, I'm using hard ones. - Johan. --- Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will. On 29 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote: > > " " == J R de Jong writes: > > > Hi all, Recently I upgraded from 2.4.4 to 2.4.5, but after that > > I got users complaining about io errors on some mounted NFS > > systems on some files, whenever they tried to stat (ls) or open > > the file. Even after several reboots (other files failed tho). > > > Going back to 2.4.4 solved the problem. I don't know if this > > problem has been adressed already. > > Sounds like you're using soft mounts? > > Cheers, >Trond > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote: > Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not > > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and > > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). > > Frankly, I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their > > product, I'm free to choose not to use it. > > You do understand, don't you, that microsoft is > working frantically to take that choice away from > you? it's easy to sit back and say it doesn't affect > you, til one day you realize that you can't connect > to your ISP unless you are running windows xp. > > Then it hits you, and it's too late. In that case, I have the following options: 1) Start my own ISP 2) Use Windows XP 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP 4) Go to a different ISP I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed for using a different OS, I still have a choice. -- Regards, Kurt Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can Macintosh). One of my dreams is someday Linux can really be a great desktop operating system, but you know that's not yet real now. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:12, you wrote: > > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not > > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and > > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). > > Frankly, I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their > > product, I'm free to choose not to use it. > > So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. > What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. > You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. -- Regards, Kurt Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). Frankly, > I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their product, I'm > free to choose not to use it. So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. I have been working as a Computer Tech for approx 5 years. When I first started (before that period actually, I speak of my Jr high years) I liked MS, if only b/c it was better than the other Intel solutions (This is approx 1993 or 1994). When OS/2 came out, I thought it was a joke (My father had it on his computer, I couldn't even get the calculator to run). When Win95 came out, I finally got to hate M$. Then I discovered Linux and now I have a great dislike for M$ and their products. I appreciate that as a user you may have a choice. As a tech or MIS/IT, I don't have a choice. As such I believe that I have been "damaged" by M$. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
Chris/Adam/Mark, Have just sucked down the SRPM of the kernel that sees to run OK. As per you suggestions, checking out the config and patches ... Thanks, Daniel. > -Original Message- > > > Download the source-RPM for the 'fast' kernel, and also the virgin > version of the same kernel, and then diff them to see what changes > have been made. > > If you are lucky, the RPM itself my have the virgin data and diffs, I > don't know much about RPMS, but I'm pretty sure this is possible. > > > You are looking for changes outside of linux/drivers/, probably in > linux/archo/i386 or linux/kernel. Hopefully there aren't too many of > these. > > Also, you want the .config file that was used, try using that against > a virgin kernel first, and see if that changes anything, if not, then > do diff the above (diff -Nur virgin-kernel/ redhat-kernel/) and see > what falls out. > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:36:51PM +0800, Daniel Harvey wrote: > The Compaq Armada doesn't appear to have a BIOS setting for the > power settings. > I still don't get the fact that one kernel will run fast, while the > rest do the real SLOW thing. Not answering your question, but you might want to try: Download the source-RPM for the 'fast' kernel, and also the virgin version of the same kernel, and then diff them to see what changes have been made. If you are lucky, the RPM itself my have the virgin data and diffs, I don't know much about RPMS, but I'm pretty sure this is possible. You are looking for changes outside of linux/drivers/, probably in linux/archo/i386 or linux/kernel. Hopefully there aren't too many of these. Also, you want the .config file that was used, try using that against a virgin kernel first, and see if that changes anything, if not, then do diff the above (diff -Nur virgin-kernel/ redhat-kernel/) and see what falls out. --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EEPro100 problems in SMP on 2.4.5 ?
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Dylan Griffiths wrote: > I'd love to do some of this, but since the box is now being shipped to a > colo facility in New York, I don't really have a choice in the matter. > > Hopefully someone here doing SMP + EEPro100 can see if they can reproduce > the issue (2.4.5 kernel). I've had issues with the Intel cards, as well. What revision of the card is it? Have you tried the drivers available from Intel, to see if they do a better job? In my case, they didn't. I've also had reports, for a linux-2.2.x kernel, that sometimes its guesswork as to whether stock kernel eepro100, the intel e100 driver, or Don Becker's eepro100 will work on the beasts. HTH. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
execve strangeness
Try this, as root:
[root@mnm akpm]# /var/log/messages
bash: /var/log/messages: Text file busy
Strange return value, that.
It happens because vfs_permission() sees CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE
and returns "yes" on a file which has no `x' bits set.
Then open_exec() falls through to deny_write_access() which
sees that the file is open for writing.
If the file is _not_ open for writing then the "WTF" test in
prepare_binprm() is what stops us from executing the file. So
the test there is definitely needed.
Moving the "WTF" test into open_exec() definitely fixes things
up, but I think the real bug is in vfs_permission().
--- linux-2.4.6-pre6/fs/exec.c Wed May 2 22:00:06 2001
+++ lk-ext3/fs/exec.c Mon Jul 2 02:01:52 2001
@@ -349,6 +349,8 @@
file = ERR_PTR(-EACCES);
if (!IS_NOEXEC(inode) && S_ISREG(inode->i_mode)) {
int err = permission(inode, MAY_EXEC);
+ if (!err && !(inode->i_mode & 0111))
+ err = -EACCES;
file = ERR_PTR(err);
if (!err) {
file = dentry_open(nd.dentry, nd.mnt, O_RDONLY);
@@ -606,7 +608,10 @@
struct inode * inode = bprm->file->f_dentry->d_inode;
mode = inode->i_mode;
- /* Huh? We had already checked for MAY_EXEC, WTF do we check this? */
+ /*
+* Check execute perms again - if the caller has CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE,
+* vfs_permission lets a non-executable through
+*/
if (!(mode & 0111)) /* with at least _one_ execute bit set */
return -EACCES;
if (bprm->file->f_op == NULL)
-
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Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
On Sunday 01 July 2001 11:02, Rick Hohensee ignorantly blabbered: > > Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux > > Kernel?!?! Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't > > litter up the kernel listserver with this. > > What this has to do with Linux is that throughout the whole process > Microsoft has been putting Linux in the news, on the front page, and now > is the opportunity for the people who have been damaged by Microsoft, the > people that have very good reasons to be massively dissatisfied with > Windows, a set of people that the readers of this list exemplifies, have > an opportunity to speak on the matter in a helpful and substantive way > that will be of more benefit than any work directly on Linux itself can > be, to the computer world generally and to Linux. I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). Frankly, I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their product, I'm free to choose not to use it. -- Regards, Kurt Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> > Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux Kernel?!?! > Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't litter up the > kernel listserver with this. What this has to do with Linux is that throughout the whole process Microsoft has been putting Linux in the news, on the front page, and now is the opportunity for the people who have been damaged by Microsoft, the people that have very good reasons to be massively dissatisfied with Windows, a set of people that the readers of this list exemplifies, have an opportunity to speak on the matter in a helpful and substantive way that will be of more benefit than any work directly on Linux itself can be, to the computer world generally and to Linux. Rick Hohensee :; cLIeNUX /dev/tty3 11:09:49 / :;d ABOUTLinuxboot floppy mounts temp ABOUT.Linux NetBSD command guestowner Cintpos README configurehelp source GPL RIGHTS dev incoming subroutine LGPL VVT.tar device log suite :; cLIeNUX /dev/tty3 11:29:59 / :; - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
The Compaq Armada doesn't appear to have a BIOS setting for the power settings. I still don't get the fact that one kernel will run fast, while the rest do the real SLOW thing. Thanks, -- Daniel Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone/Fax +61 8 9389 7844/33 Director, Amristar Pty Ltd; www.amristar.com.au Mobile +61 41 444 8136 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Jeff Garzik > Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2001 10:56 PM > To: Daniel Harvey > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep > > > Daniel Harvey wrote: > > [1.] Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep > > Intel will not release docs for SpeedStep, so we cannot do anything > about this except annoy Intel (or buy competing, documented processors). > > I have a Toshiba P-III laptop with SpeedStep. It was similarly slow > until I got into the BIOS setup screen and cranked up the BIOS settings > from "max saving" to "max performance." > > (BTW, most laptops -do- have a BIOS setup... it's just that many > manufacturers hide the normal PC boot screen, where RAM is checked, IDE > drives scanned, etc) > > -- > Jeff Garzik | The LSB is a bunch of crap. > Building 1024| E-mail for details. > MandrakeSoft | > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
Daniel Harvey wrote: > [1.] Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep Intel will not release docs for SpeedStep, so we cannot do anything about this except annoy Intel (or buy competing, documented processors). I have a Toshiba P-III laptop with SpeedStep. It was similarly slow until I got into the BIOS setup screen and cranked up the BIOS settings from "max saving" to "max performance." (BTW, most laptops -do- have a BIOS setup... it's just that many manufacturers hide the normal PC boot screen, where RAM is checked, IDE drives scanned, etc) -- Jeff Garzik | The LSB is a bunch of crap. Building 1024| E-mail for details. MandrakeSoft | - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should get legal advice about the situation? I would also expect if the FSF are not the assignee (the suggest that they be is a very good one), then whomever does adopt it might want to make sure they have some kind of legal representation available should they need it. It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded. --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
Hi,
[1.] Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep
[2.]
I have a just brought a Compaq Armade 110 PIII, and am having a lot of
trouble getting the kernel to operate effectively. The problem is that any
kernel I run (except one pre-compiled RedHat kernel) runs very slowly. The
thing is that disk IO tests seem fine, BogoMIPS reports high, but the system
is dog-slow (kernel make dep takes ~45mins).
The kernel which works FAST (read ok) is:
Linux version 2.2.14-5.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1 Tue Mar 7 21:07:39 EST
2000
One of the kernels which works SLOW (have tried right through to 2.4.5):
Linux version 2.2.14 (root@elvandar) (gcc version 2.95.4 20010604 (Debian
prerelease))
[3.] Keywords - kernel, cpu, notebook, laptop
[4.] Linux version 2.2.14 (root@elvandar) (gcc version 2.95.4 20010604
(Debian prerelease))
- although is as SLOW on any kernel up to 2.4.5 except the one above.
[5.] Output of Oops.. - N/A
[6.] Shell script - N/A
[7.] Environment
[7.1.] Software
Gnu C 2.95.4
Gnu make 3.79.1
binutils 2.11.90.0.7
util-linux
util-linux Note: /usr/bin/fdformat is obsolete and is no longer
available.
util-linux Please use /usr/bin/superformat instead (make sure
you have the
util-linux fdutils package installed first). Also, there had
been some
util-linux major changes from version 4.x. Please refer to the
documentation.
util-linux
mount 2.10f
modutils 2.4.6
e2fsprogs 1.18
pcmcia-cs 3.1.22
PPP2.4.1
Linux C Library2.2.3
Dynamic linker (ldd) 2.2.3
Procps 2.0.6
Net-tools 1.54
Console-tools 0.2.3
Sh-utils 2.0
Modules Loaded ds i82365 pcmcia_core eepro100 vfat fat smbfs
[7.2.] Processor info.
One kernel which runs SLOW:
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping: 6
cpu MHz : 797.084
cache size : 256 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 3
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36
mmx fxsr sse
bogomips: 1589.24
Kernel which runs acceptably (speed wise):
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model: 8
model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping : 6
cpu MHz : 797.050962
cache size : 256 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 3
wp: yes
flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat
pse36 pn mmx fxsr xmm
bogomips : 794.62
[7.3.] Module information
ds 6736 1
i82365 29808 1
pcmcia_core44480 0 [ds i82365]
eepro100 15696 1
vfat9312 0 (unused)
fat30368 0 [vfat]
smbfs 25600 0 (unused)
[7.4.] Loaded driver and hardware information (/proc/ioports, /proc/iomem)
-001f : dma1
0020-003f : pic1
0040-005f : timer
0060-006f : keyboard
0070-007f : rtc
0080-008f : dma page reg
00a0-00bf : pic2
00c0-00df : dma2
00f0-00ff : fpu
0170-0177 : ide1
01f0-01f7 : ide0
02f8-02ff : serial(set)
0376-0376 : ide1
03c0-03df : vga+
03f6-03f6 : ide0
03f8-03ff : serial(set)
1460-1467 : ide0
1468-146f : ide1
d0046000-d004601f : Intel Speedo3 Ethernet
[7.5.] PCI information ('lspci -vvv' as root)
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8601 [Apollo ProMedia] (rev
05)
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR-
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8601 [Apollo ProMedia AGP]
(prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B-
00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South]
(rev 22)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686/A PCI to ISA Bridge
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR-
autodetecting RAID arrays
autorun ...
... autorun DONE.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 64k freed
Adding Swap: 248996k swap-space (priority -1)
eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker
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Re: What are the VM motivations??
I'm hopelessly behind on my mail, so this has probably been dealt with, already, but here goes: It's a userspace problem. That is, any automagical VM tuner ought to be a daemon. If the kernel doesn't expose enough information or knobs to make a good VM tuner, add what is needed. Meanwhile, if anyone has a good handle on how to tune for interactivity vs. power saving vs. server performance, it seems that a lot of sysadmin.s need a good reference *from the sysadmin point of view* on how to tune manually for different sorts of loads. If the kernel is tunable in ways that are understandable, it'll be fairly easy to tune by hand and the daemon may not be needed at all. And again, we have a userspace solution that doesn't add much weight to the kernel. The original post does make a valuable point: resource allocation is a problem with *no general solution*, because the goodness of a solution depends on the values of the person applying it. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make a good day. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Reg crash utility installation
Hi, I installed crash2.6 on my machine. When I give the command "crash" from the prompt it says "no debugging symbols found in /boot/vmlinux2.2.14-12". Why does this message show. Thanks in advance, Regs, sathish - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
2.4.6-pre[5-8] fails to boot on my computer but ...
... 2.4.0 - 2.4.5-pre1 work just fine. Since the last changes related to the softirq stuff I'm getting an OOPS at boot after: Calibrating delay loop... kernel BUG at softirq.c:206! Here is the decode trace: ksymoops 2.3.4 on i686 2.4.5-pre1. Options used -v /usr/src/linux/vmlinux (specified) -K (specified) -L (specified) -o /lib/modules/2.4.5-pre1/ (default) -m /boot/System.map (specified) No modules in ksyms, skipping objects invalid operand: CPU:0 EIP:0010:[] Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386 EFLAGS: 00010086 eax: 001d ebx: c02cc2c0 ecx: 0001 edx: 0001 esi: c02cc2c0 edi: 0001 ebp: esp: c027df60 ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Process swapper (pid: 0, stackpage=c027d000) Stack: c0226bf1 c0226c8d 00ce c02b6880 0009 c02b6880 c027dfa4 c0115ca1 c02b6880 c0269034 c0107ef1 0001 000a0600 c0105000 c02af900 0008e000 c0106be0 0001 0001 0001 000a0600 c0105000 Call Trace: [] [] [] [] [] [] Code: 0f 0b 83 c4 0c 90 8b 43 08 85 c0 75 15 fb 8b 43 10 50 8b 43 >>EIP; c0115e82<= Trace; c0115ca1 Trace; c0107ef1 Trace; c0105000 <_stext+0/0> Trace; c0106be0 Trace; c0105000 <_stext+0/0> Trace; c0105000 <_stext+0/0> Code; c0115e82 <_EIP>: Code; c0115e82<= 0: 0f 0b ud2a <= Code; c0115e84 2: 83 c4 0c add$0xc,%esp Code; c0115e87 5: 90nop Code; c0115e88 6: 8b 43 08 mov0x8(%ebx),%eax Code; c0115e8b 9: 85 c0 test %eax,%eax Code; c0115e8d b: 75 15 jne22 <_EIP+0x22> c0115ea4 Code; c0115e8f d: fbsti Code; c0115e90 e: 8b 43 10 mov0x10(%ebx),%eax Code; c0115e93 11: 50push %eax Code; c0115e94 12: 8b 43 00 mov0x0(%ebx),%eax Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! If you need any other info please see my previous post: http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0106.2/0790.html (about the same problem and the OOPS is almost the same) or just drop me an e-mail. Please advise! -- Mircea Damian E-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage: http://taz.mania.k.ro/~dmircea/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
> There are several areas that need restructuring and work, and I am > available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting, I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Mac USB keyboards (Was: USB Keyboard errors with 2.4.5-ac)
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:26:39PM +0200, Guest section DW wrote: > > > To understand the details of the code, trace the steps: > > > (i) The USB code can be found e.g. on > > > http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-5.html > > > We find that Power is 102 and that Keypad-= is 103. > > > > I find that KP = can also be 134, according to this. > > Yes. The USB spec says for this code: "used on AS/400 keyboards". Probably not much chance this keyboard will be using it then. Some AT keyboards require some sort of magic enable string be sent to make them use certain unusual keys in the manner you would expect. Any chance of that in the USB arena? I'm just grasping at straws here, but I suppose it's possible. -- Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Free software developer OH MY GOD NOT A RANDOM QUOTE GENERATOR surely you didnt think that was static? how lame would that be? :-) PGP signature
Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Torrey Hoffman) wrote on 30.06.01 in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So they compile it into the linux_logo.h image. It's now under the
> GPL, of course... what does that do to the legal status of the logo?
Copyright: you named it.
Any other right: unchanged. (The GPL doesn't demand any change, so how
could it possibly change?)
However, for rights you want to keep, I'd suggest pointing them out in
some sort of readme in the sources. ("The XXX Logo is a registered
trademark of XXX Websites, Inc.".)
Frankly, in the context of (say) a registered trademark, the GPL for the
logo becomes fairly meaningless ... sure, you can get "the source", but
you can't *use* it except in those cases where you'd get "the source" for
a proprietary logo anyway, unless it's a really weird case.
MfG Kai
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Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chuck Wolber) wrote on 29.06.01 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Does sed tell you who programmed it on startup? > > > > Awk? > > > > Perl? > > > > Groff? > > > > Gcc? > > > > See a pattern here? > > Yeah, the output of these programms are usually parsed by other programs. s/usually/sometimes/ Most of the time, it's only parsed by humans, with the possible exception of awk. But feel free to look for other common Unix programs that behave differently. df, du, ps, ls, bash ... there *are* programs that announce the copyright at the start, but there are damned few of them. It's not in the culture. > If they barked version info, that'd be extra code that has to go into > *EVERY* script that uses them. You're not using the kernel in the same > capacity. OTOH, kernel output typically *always* goes into another program (dmesg, klog, syslog) ... though admittedly parsing it is not common. Well, except for the oops part (klogd, ksymoops). MfG Kai - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.6-pre6 ext3 message
Mike Black wrote: > > 2.4.6-pre6 and ext3-2.4-0.0.8-246p5 (had to to hand patch a little). > > This message popped up on an idle system -- there were no "odd" cronjobs > scheduled around this time. Nobody was logged on. System had been up for > a > little over a day...first time seeing any messages like this. > The source doesn't indicate whether this is serious or just informational. > > Jun 30 15:58:55 yeti kernel: journal_commit_transaction: odd - more buffers > yeah, sorry. It's a debug message which escaped from the factory. I keep on doing that. It's expected, and there won't be any more. I promise. - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
2.4.6-pre6 ext3 message
2.4.6-pre6 and ext3-2.4-0.0.8-246p5 (had to to hand patch a little). This message popped up on an idle system -- there were no "odd" cronjobs scheduled around this time. Nobody was logged on. System had been up for a little over a day...first time seeing any messages like this. The source doesn't indicate whether this is serious or just informational. Jun 30 15:58:55 yeti kernel: journal_commit_transaction: odd - more buffers This is on a RAID1 dual IDE disk setup. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
