Re: [PATCH] X.509: Remove certificate date checks

2013-03-14 Thread Alexander Holler

Am 14.03.2013 18:09, schrieb David Woodhouse:

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 17:22 +0100, Alexander Holler wrote:


Agreed (thats what my patch did).

I've introduced a new config option because I don't know if something (a
use case I don't know) relies on the validity check of the dates in the
parser. If there currently isn't such a user, just removing the validity
check in the parser might be enough.


Is there *is* such a user, it's broken already. The key could have been
loaded (and passed the existing check) *months* ago, expired seconds
after it was loaded, and your hypothetical user could still be happily
trusting it.


As the user (program or whatever) calls the parser, he knows if he can 
trust it to validate dates. So there might be something for which the 
current implementation works (parsing date = using date).


I just don't know, because I've only discovered that glitch while trying 
to use modsign to be sure no unsigned module (I've compiled myself) will 
be become loaded (I compile the kernel and delete the keys right 
afterwards). So I don't know anything if and how the crypto-api to load 
x.509 keys is used besides modsign. ;)


Regards,

Alexander

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Re: [PATCH] X.509: Remove certificate date checks

2013-03-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 17:22 +0100, Alexander Holler wrote:
> 
> Agreed (thats what my patch did).
> 
> I've introduced a new config option because I don't know if something (a 
> use case I don't know) relies on the validity check of the dates in the 
> parser. If there currently isn't such a user, just removing the validity 
> check in the parser might be enough. 

Is there *is* such a user, it's broken already. The key could have been
loaded (and passed the existing check) *months* ago, expired seconds
after it was loaded, and your hypothetical user could still be happily
trusting it.

> Offering the parsed dates for later usage is still a good idea.

Right.

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Re: [PATCH] X.509: Remove certificate date checks

2013-03-14 Thread Alexander Holler

Am 14.03.2013 13:48, schrieb David Woodhouse:

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 12:34 +, David Howells wrote:

Remove the certificate date checks that are performed when a certificate is
parsed.  There are two checks: a valid from and a valid to.  The first check is
causing a lot of problems with system clocks that don't keep good time and the
second places an implicit expiry date upon the kernel when used for module
signing, so do we really need them?


While the date check is entirely bogus for the specific case of module
signing, I don't think we necessarily ought to rip it out of our generic
X.509 support entirely.

Some use cases *might* want to check the dates, and should be permitted
to do so. Just don't refuse to even *parse* the key outside its valid
date range... :)


Agreed (thats what my patch did).

I've introduced a new config option because I don't know if something (a 
use case I don't know) relies on the validity check of the dates in the 
parser. If there currently isn't such a user, just removing the validity 
check in the parser might be enough. Offering the parsed dates for later 
usage is still a good idea.


Regards,

Alexander

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Re: [PATCH] X.509: Remove certificate date checks

2013-03-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 12:34 +, David Howells wrote:
> Remove the certificate date checks that are performed when a certificate is
> parsed.  There are two checks: a valid from and a valid to.  The first check 
> is
> causing a lot of problems with system clocks that don't keep good time and the
> second places an implicit expiry date upon the kernel when used for module
> signing, so do we really need them?

While the date check is entirely bogus for the specific case of module
signing, I don't think we necessarily ought to rip it out of our generic
X.509 support entirely.

Some use cases *might* want to check the dates, and should be permitted
to do so. Just don't refuse to even *parse* the key outside its valid
date range... :)

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