Re: CI USB
On 24 January 2010 09:56, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... i can confirm the information here: * http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI and it contains: * an FX2 from Cypress (CY7C68013A) and a FPGA (Actel Proasic-plus, APA075-F) No CI+ in there ... Generic USB bridge with microcontroller and possibly a FPGA programmed by Hauppauge themselves, most probably. The no, the whole Hauppauge device is actually made by SmartDTV even on the board there is a title SmartDTV Rev... also, Terratec device is the same as Hauppauge device, they even look the same: http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_CI_USB_2296.html and Terratec driver for Windows says Copyright SmarDTV., which means it's made by SmarDTV. actually, Terratec driver for Windows is essentially the same as Hauppauge one, because firmware extracted from both drivers is the same (they update the firmware with driver updates, so matching versions of Terratec and Hauppauge driver is needed to check that the firmwares are the same). bridge would be similar to other DVB USB devices, Application on the FPGA would be more or less similar to the one found on general DVB CI devices. If it's not a Masked FPGA, it would need to load it's instructions some place, maybe an EEPROM or maybe from the firmware that you need load itself. Some part of the firmware that you load could be partly for the microcontroller on the USB bridge as well. i believe that 40 A3 firmware requests are for the USB controller typo, 40 A0 firmware requests are for the USB controller and then the subsequent 40 A3 firmware requests are to load the FPGA instructions through the USB controller. Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html According to this page http://www.bsc-bvba.be/linux/dvb/ the firmware load problem was solved about a month ago What is needed in the way of resources to solve this problem? Regards -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... i can confirm the information here: * http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI and it contains: * an FX2 from Cypress (CY7C68013A) and a FPGA (Actel Proasic-plus, APA075-F) No CI+ in there ... Generic USB bridge with microcontroller and possibly a FPGA programmed by Hauppauge themselves, most probably. The bridge would be similar to other DVB USB devices, Application on the FPGA would be more or less similar to the one found on general DVB CI devices. If it's not a Masked FPGA, it would need to load it's instructions some place, maybe an EEPROM or maybe from the firmware that you need load itself. Some part of the firmware that you load could be partly for the microcontroller on the USB bridge as well. Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... i can confirm the information here: * http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI and it contains: * an FX2 from Cypress (CY7C68013A) and a FPGA (Actel Proasic-plus, APA075-F) No CI+ in there ... Generic USB bridge with microcontroller and possibly a FPGA programmed by Hauppauge themselves, most probably. The no, the whole Hauppauge device is actually made by SmartDTV even on the board there is a title SmartDTV Rev... also, Terratec device is the same as Hauppauge device, they even look the same: http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_CI_USB_2296.html and Terratec driver for Windows says Copyright SmarDTV., which means it's made by SmarDTV. actually, Terratec driver for Windows is essentially the same as Hauppauge one, because firmware extracted from both drivers is the same (they update the firmware with driver updates, so matching versions of Terratec and Hauppauge driver is needed to check that the firmwares are the same). bridge would be similar to other DVB USB devices, Application on the FPGA would be more or less similar to the one found on general DVB CI devices. If it's not a Masked FPGA, it would need to load it's instructions some place, maybe an EEPROM or maybe from the firmware that you need load itself. Some part of the firmware that you load could be partly for the microcontroller on the USB bridge as well. i believe that 40 A3 firmware requests are for the USB controller and then the subsequent 40 A3 firmware requests are to load the FPGA instructions through the USB controller. Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... i can confirm the information here: * http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI and it contains: * an FX2 from Cypress (CY7C68013A) and a FPGA (Actel Proasic-plus, APA075-F) No CI+ in there ... Generic USB bridge with microcontroller and possibly a FPGA programmed by Hauppauge themselves, most probably. The no, the whole Hauppauge device is actually made by SmartDTV even on the board there is a title SmartDTV Rev... also, Terratec device is the same as Hauppauge device, they even look the same: http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_CI_USB_2296.html and Terratec driver for Windows says Copyright SmarDTV., which means it's made by SmarDTV. actually, Terratec driver for Windows is essentially the same as Hauppauge one, because firmware extracted from both drivers is the same (they update the firmware with driver updates, so matching versions of Terratec and Hauppauge driver is needed to check that the firmwares are the same). bridge would be similar to other DVB USB devices, Application on the FPGA would be more or less similar to the one found on general DVB CI devices. If it's not a Masked FPGA, it would need to load it's instructions some place, maybe an EEPROM or maybe from the firmware that you need load itself. Some part of the firmware that you load could be partly for the microcontroller on the USB bridge as well. i believe that 40 A3 firmware requests are for the USB controller typo, 40 A0 firmware requests are for the USB controller and then the subsequent 40 A3 firmware requests are to load the FPGA instructions through the USB controller. Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. Regards, Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... Regards, Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Konstantin Dimitrov kosio.dimit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip at least in Windows Hauppage WinTV-CI USB (which is OEM version of SmartDTV USB CI) allows you to capture the decrypted stream to your hard drive (i've just tested it). Maybe it is not CI+ itself in the first place so, i can't see a reason why even if it has CI+ chip inside same functionally as in Windows can't be provided in Linux if someone developed a driver. It would be interesting to know what chips the hardware has ... i can confirm the information here: * http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI and it contains: * an FX2 from Cypress (CY7C68013A) and a FPGA (Actel Proasic-plus, APA075-F) also, i can confirm that firmware extractor here: http://www.bsc-bvba.be/linux/dvb/ is correct at least for A2 hardware (but A1 hardware is no longer in production anyway), because a long time ago i verified with spying the USB traffic what firmware is uploaded in Windows for A2 hardware and informed Luc Brosens and he fixed his firmware extractor tool. however, it seems that the main problem as it's mentioned by Luc Brosens is why firmware upload fails in Linux, because according to Steven Toth words: * http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2008-April/025284.html * I also looked at the USB traffic on the current Hauppauge driver, with a * cam inserted and decryption happening. The protocol appears pretty simple. after the firmware is uploaded is easy to figure out how to send commands to the device. Regards, Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ian Wilkinson n...@sgtwilko.f9.co.uk wrote: HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. If it is using a CI+ plus chip (I heard from someone that it is a CI+ chip inside) : http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=ciplus After reading the CI+ specifications, I doubt that it can be supported under Linux with open source support, without a paired decoder hardware or software decoder. A paired open source software decoder seems highly unlikely, as the output of the CI+ module is eventually an encrypted stream which can be descrambled with the relevant keys. The TS is not supposed to be stored on disk, or that's what the whole concept is for CI+ http://www.ci-plus.com/data/ci-plus_overview_v2009-07-06.pdf See pages 7, 8 , 12, 15 It could be possible to pair a software decoder with a key and hence under Windows, but under Linux I would really doubt it, if it happens to be a CI+ chip Regards, Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
HoP a écrit : I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. /Honza Just a quick note here: you might want to post to the mythtv ML and the VDR one also (probably others but I dont know them off hand) and see how people feel about this. My guess is that quite a few potential users are on these ML, and the CI threads are recurrent there because of good dvb-s cards but without CI support. A usb-CI or equivalent HW + good drivers would allow people to pick the dvb-s(2) cards without worrying about CI support. HTH Bye Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
Markus Rechberger a écrit : On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, HoP jpetr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The question is more or less how many people are interested in USB CI support for Linux. We basically have everything to provide a USB CI solution for linux now. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Well I dont know for others but it really looks interesting as you can have multiple cards with only one CI, meaning only one CAM and only one subscription card which is economically interesting. Also some card (at least for DVB-S) are really good but targeted towards free channels, and in France for example, alot of good channels are not. If the price is right (tm) I am sure a lot of people would be interested. Bye Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Emmanuel eall...@gmail.com wrote: Markus Rechberger a écrit : On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, HoP jpetr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The question is more or less how many people are interested in USB CI support for Linux. We basically have everything to provide a USB CI solution for linux now. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Well I dont know for others but it really looks interesting as you can have multiple cards with only one CI, meaning only one CAM and only one subscription card which is economically interesting. I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But then you would be better of buying multiple CAM's for a home use purpose. Also some card (at least for DVB-S) are really good but targeted towards free channels, and in France for example, alot of good channels are not. If the price is right (tm) I am sure a lot of people would be interested. Bye Manu Regards, Mmanu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. /Honza -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
HoP wrote: I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But You, of course, ment number of descramblers not PIDS because it is evident that getting TV service descrambled, you need as minimum 2 PIDS for A/V. Anyway, it is very good note. Users, in general, don't know about it. Hiya, I've been reading this mailing list with regards to using a USB CI, but hadn't found anything to help until I found the posts from Luc and Steve sometime ago about getting the WinTV-CI to work under Linux. Coincidently, at the end of last year I had e-mailed Luc about the WinTV-CI, to see if I can help. I'm in the process of purchasing some hardware to start testing. He had managed to grab the firmware from the Windows driver but had so far been unable to get it to load correctly in his new driver. Regards, Ian Wilkinson -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB]
Manu Abraham wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Emmanuel eall...@gmail.com wrote: Markus Rechberger a écrit : On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, HoP jpetr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The question is more or less how many people are interested in USB CI support for Linux. We basically have everything to provide a USB CI solution for linux now. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Well I dont know for others but it really looks interesting as you can have multiple cards with only one CI, meaning only one CAM and only one subscription card which is economically interesting. I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But then you would be better of buying multiple CAM's for a home use purpose. Also some card (at least for DVB-S) are really good but targeted towards free channels, and in France for example, alot of good channels are not. If the price is right (tm) I am sure a lot of people would be interested. Bye Manu Regards, Mmanu Here in Belgium and the Netherlands all channels are encrypted and besides the economics, I have very little possibility to view those channels. (not since my nexus-S with dual CI is not keeping up with the latest developments anymore). I now own a HVR4000, but Hauppauge are only supporting the USB CI for all new cards and apparently dropped the flatcable direct connection to a CI interface. There is software available to use a USB cardreader, which I am using now. This software however permits illegal distribution of keys as well. Interesting though is that this software doesn't use the official CI, nor a CAM, but a generic USB smartcard reader. If a solution could be developed, which is manufacturer independent, does not use a CAM and does not permit illegal use that would be great... regards, Johan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
Manu Abraham a écrit : On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Emmanuel eall...@gmail.com wrote: Markus Rechberger a écrit : On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, HoP jpetr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The question is more or less how many people are interested in USB CI support for Linux. We basically have everything to provide a USB CI solution for linux now. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Well I dont know for others but it really looks interesting as you can have multiple cards with only one CI, meaning only one CAM and only one subscription card which is economically interesting. I don't know the details into the USB device, but each of those CAM's have bandwidth limits on them and they vary from one CAM to the other. Also, there is a limit on the number of simultaneous PID's that which you can decrypt. Some allow only 1 PID, some allow 3. Those are the basic CAM's for home usage.The most expensive CAM's allow a maximum of 24 PID's. But then you would be better of buying multiple CAM's for a home use purpose. Well my Astoncrypt is able to descramble 2 channels simultanueously, but here the good thing would be that you could descramble after the recording, so that you would be able for example to capture 4 channels on the same transponder only to descramble one by one later on. Bye Manu -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, HoP jpetr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The question is more or less how many people are interested in USB CI support for Linux. We basically have everything to provide a USB CI solution for linux now. Markus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. The whole project went badly wrong when the hardware vendor promised documentation then failed to deliver. My mistake for trusting them in the first place. I had considered running a driver reverse engineering tutorial project via kernellabs.com. Perhaps a 4 part series of writings, tools and instructions that describe how to reverse engineer USB drivers and culminates in a working skeleton driver for the WinTV CI that could be used. I doubt I could make this happen without a project sponsor so if you know any companies that would be willing to sponsor a project like this then I'd certainly be interested in helping. Regards, -- Steven Toth - Kernel Labs http://www.kernellabs.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: CI USB
Hi Jonas Does anyone know if there's any progress on USB CI adapter support? Last posts I can find are from 2008 (Terratec Cinergy CI USB Hauppauge WinTV-CI). That attempt seems to have stranded with Luc Brosens (who gave it a shot back then) asking for help. The chip manufacturer introduced a usb stick as well; http://www.smardtv.com/index.php?page=products_listingrubrique=pctvsection=usbcam but besides the scary Vista logo on that page, it looks like they target broadcast companies only and not end users. You are right. Seems DVB CI stick is not targeted to end consumers. Anyway, it looks interesting, even it requires additional DVB tuner somewhere in the pc what means duplicated traffic (to the CI stick for descrambling and back for mpeg a/v decoding). It would be nice to see such stuff working in linux, but because of market targeting i don' t expect that. BTW, Hauppauge's WinTV-CI looked much more promissing. At least when I started reading whole thread about it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-...@linuxtv.org/msg28113.html Unfortunatelly, last Steve's note about not getting anything (even any answer) has disappointed me fully. And because google is quiet about any progress on it I pressume no any docu nor driver was released later on. /Honza -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
