Re: SAS5/E with MD1000 for JBOD

2009-12-18 Thread Preston Hagar
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Philip Tait phi...@subaru.naoj.org wrote:
 On 12/17/2009 11:39 AM, Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote:
 Philip Tait wrote:
 We want to attach an MD1000 to a PE2900 in a non -RAID configuration.

 The Dell sales people are very convinced that we have to have a PERC6/E
 to connect an MD1000, but they are doing further research.

 We have two MD1000 attached to a PE2950. We have a PERC5/E. With the
 PERC5/E you can have RAID 0 (stripe). So, if I understood what you're
 wanting, you shall be able to create one RAID 0 volume for each disk,
 or a single RAID0 for all disks.

 Thanks for the response, but I believe this would not work for our
 application because the disks would require a PERC-equipped computer for
 them to be readable. We want these drives to be readable on any PC with
 a SATA interface.


Honestly (an maybe someone can correct me) I don't think it is
possible.  I have pretty much never found a way to connect drives with
a PERC5/E and MD1000 or even connected directly to a PERC5/i for that
matter that doesn't add Dell mojo in between.  The best solution we
found was to buy multiple PERC cards, save the configs once we had
everything like we wanted it (doing RAID 0 on the hard drives to fake
JBOD), and then loading that config on other machines to be backups.
Still, if the MD1000 went out, we still might be up a creek.  Although
I generally love Dell hardware, it is one drawback I have found to the
MD1000 and PERC cards is that they want their Dell specific voodoo in
between.  We have even found that just buying drives for a third party
vendor will seem to work sometimes, but often lead to flakiness.
Apparently they all have to be matched drives with Dell firmware on
the drives themselves to be fully supported (or at least that is what
we have been told).

Anyway, I hope you have better luck that we have.

Preston

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Re: SAS5/E with MD1000 for JBOD

2009-12-18 Thread J. Epperson
On Fri, December 18, 2009 15:25, Preston Hagar wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Philip Tait phi...@subaru.naoj.org
 wrote:
 On 12/17/2009 11:39 AM, Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote:
 Philip Tait wrote:
 We want to attach an MD1000 to a PE2900 in a non -RAID
 configuration.

 The Dell sales people are very convinced that we have to have a
 PERC6/E to connect an MD1000, but they are doing further research.

 We have two MD1000 attached to a PE2950. We have a PERC5/E. With the
 PERC5/E you can have RAID 0 (stripe). So, if I understood what you're
  wanting, you shall be able to create one RAID 0 volume for each
 disk, or a single RAID0 for all disks.

 Thanks for the response, but I believe this would not work for our
 application because the disks would require a PERC-equipped computer
 for them to be readable. We want these drives to be readable on any PC
 with a SATA interface.


 Honestly (an maybe someone can correct me) I don't think it is possible.
 I have pretty much never found a way to connect drives with a PERC5/E and
 MD1000 or even connected directly to a PERC5/i for that matter that
 doesn't add Dell mojo in between.  The best solution we found was to buy
 multiple PERC cards, save the configs once we had everything like we
 wanted it (doing RAID 0 on the hard drives to fake JBOD), and then
 loading that config on other machines to be backups. Still, if the MD1000
 went out, we still might be up a creek.  Although I generally love Dell
 hardware, it is one drawback I have found to the MD1000 and PERC cards is
 that they want their Dell specific voodoo in between.  We have even found
 that just buying drives for a third party vendor will seem to work
 sometimes, but often lead to flakiness. Apparently they all have to be
 matched drives with Dell firmware on the drives themselves to be fully
 supported (or at least that is what we have been told).


I guess you can't connect one of these with a plain SAS controller and
have the drives presented as plain physical drives?  You could do that
with the old SCSI Powervaults.


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Re: SAS5/E with MD1000 for JBOD

2009-12-17 Thread Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz
Philip Tait wrote:
 We want to attach an MD1000 to a PE2900 in a non -RAID configuration.
 
 The Dell sales people are very convinced that we have to have a PERC6/E
 to connect an MD1000, but they are doing further research.

We have two MD1000 attached to a PE2950. We have a PERC5/E. With the PERC5/E 
you can have RAID 0 
(stripe). So, if I understood what you're wanting, you shall be able to create 
one RAID 0 volume for 
each disk, or a single RAID0 for all disks.

 
 In the meantime, I wondered if anyone on the list is actually using a
 SAS5/E to attach an MD1000, and can relate their experience?
 
 (Note that we want the drives to have standard partitioning, which would
 seem to make a PERC6/E unsuitable for this application.)
 
 Thanks for any comments,
 
 Philip J. Tait
 http://subarutelescope.org
 
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Re: SAS5/E with MD1000 for JBOD

2009-12-17 Thread Philip Tait
On 12/17/2009 11:39 AM, Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote:
 Philip Tait wrote:
 We want to attach an MD1000 to a PE2900 in a non -RAID configuration.

 The Dell sales people are very convinced that we have to have a PERC6/E
 to connect an MD1000, but they are doing further research.

 We have two MD1000 attached to a PE2950. We have a PERC5/E. With the
 PERC5/E you can have RAID 0 (stripe). So, if I understood what you're
 wanting, you shall be able to create one RAID 0 volume for each disk,
 or a single RAID0 for all disks.

Thanks for the response, but I believe this would not work for our
application because the disks would require a PERC-equipped computer for
them to be readable. We want these drives to be readable on any PC with
a SATA interface.


 In the meantime, I wondered if anyone on the list is actually using a
 SAS5/E to attach an MD1000, and can relate their experience?

 (Note that we want the drives to have standard partitioning, which would
 seem to make a PERC6/E unsuitable for this application.)

 Thanks for any comments,

 Philip J. Tait
 http://subarutelescope.org

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