Re: [linux-sunxi] Your outrageous wiki edits.

2015-07-08 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Luc Verhaegen l...@skynet.be wrote:
 Hi Kevin,

 I just noticed your edits to our GPL violations page.

 It seems that you and Allwinnwer still have not fully comprehended just
 how you went wrong and what can be done to fix it.

 The most remarkable changes (which i have undone) were:

 a) that since you aren't really using some parts of the code (dram
 scaling) anymore these days, Allwinner isn't really violating the gpl
 all that much anymore and then the fact that it once violated the GPL
 can be totally brushed under the carpet.

Allwinner needs to clarify if they own the code in question. If they
don't own it, it should be sufficient to state that they have tried
and failed to secure a source release. Since getting the source was
not possible, rewriting it and releasing it under the GPL should be
ok.

If you really want to pursue this, then Allwinner can identify the
company that won't release the original code and someone can spend the
money to take them to court.

It is also possible that Allwinner has simply lost the original
source. Their version control practices are not very good. I'm still
waiting for them to start keeping everything on public git servers.

 b) the fact that allwinner was not the original violator on some
 touchscreen drivers, the fact that it was not allwinner that produced
 those binaries, makes it all totally ok that allwinner shipped those
 binaries, which in turn makes allwinner definitely not a repeat violator
 of the gpl, and this bit of history should totally be brushed under the
 carpet as well.

I don't think b) is a GPL violation by Allwinner. Since Allwinner does
not possess the source code to these binaries they are unable to
determine if they are a derived work or not. This is NVidia's defense
in shipping binaries. NVidia claims the binaries are not derived works
of the kernel (that they are developed on Windows and then ported with
a wrapper layer).  Reshipping a non-derived binary is not a GPL
violation.

That doesn't imply that we have to like this. And I also don't believe
that the touchscreen driver is a non-derived work. But that is not
Allwinner's problem, it is the developer of the touchscreen driver's
problem.

Allwinner should exercise its rights under the GPL and request source
from the vendor of the touchscreen driver and see what they claim. If
they refuse to deliver source maybe Allwinner might want to file a
court action to compel its release. But the GPL does not require you
to take action. Allwinner should also consider not doing business in
the future with vendors that won't supply source.

This is parallel to the Mali problem. Mali is clearly in violation of
the GPL and there is nothing Allwinner can do except make a GPL
request that source code be delivered. The violator is ARM, Inc.


 WTF?

 Have you not learned anything, or are you actively playing with us? How
 many months now have you and the rest of your company had to get up to
 speed on this topic? What is it that is so difficult here, or why are
 you trying to play these games still?

 Also, with changes like this, it would not be wrong for me or others to
 block your wiki account. Be very careful what future steps you take.

 In a case like this, it is also seriously not done to execute such
 controversial edits yourself. You ask someone from the opposite side
 (like me) or someone totally independent (as in, not one of your
 pathetic strawmen) to review the current status and validity of the
 content of such a controversial wiki page.

 It seems that you and Allwinner haven't learned anything there either.

 Are the things that i beat into you and allwinner really the only things
 that stick?

 Luc Verhaegen.

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[linux-sunxi] Your outrageous wiki edits.

2015-07-08 Thread Luc Verhaegen
Hi Kevin,

I just noticed your edits to our GPL violations page.

It seems that you and Allwinnwer still have not fully comprehended just 
how you went wrong and what can be done to fix it.

The most remarkable changes (which i have undone) were:

a) that since you aren't really using some parts of the code (dram 
scaling) anymore these days, Allwinner isn't really violating the gpl 
all that much anymore and then the fact that it once violated the GPL 
can be totally brushed under the carpet.
b) the fact that allwinner was not the original violator on some 
touchscreen drivers, the fact that it was not allwinner that produced 
those binaries, makes it all totally ok that allwinner shipped those 
binaries, which in turn makes allwinner definitely not a repeat violator 
of the gpl, and this bit of history should totally be brushed under the 
carpet as well.

WTF?

Have you not learned anything, or are you actively playing with us? How 
many months now have you and the rest of your company had to get up to 
speed on this topic? What is it that is so difficult here, or why are 
you trying to play these games still?

Also, with changes like this, it would not be wrong for me or others to 
block your wiki account. Be very careful what future steps you take.

In a case like this, it is also seriously not done to execute such 
controversial edits yourself. You ask someone from the opposite side 
(like me) or someone totally independent (as in, not one of your 
pathetic strawmen) to review the current status and validity of the 
content of such a controversial wiki page.

It seems that you and Allwinner haven't learned anything there either.

Are the things that i beat into you and allwinner really the only things 
that stick?

Luc Verhaegen.

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