Re: Mozilla mail question

2003-01-10 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Susan Macchia wrote:
% Hi all,
% 
% I use Mozilla connecting to the exchange server which is POP.  I like mozilla
% much better, with its color coding of the inbox, etc.  When I receive outlook
% html formatted email, it looks like plain text in mozilla.  This is a real
% problem because in lengthy conversations, it becomes much more difficult to
% follow since color coding and font changes may be used.  I have tried saving an
% Outlook mail that I've sent as html and then reading it with mozilla, and it
% looks fine.  This leads me to believe that the html produced by outlook is
% readable by mozilla.  When I read email that I've sent (formatted as html), it
% looks fine in both outlook and mozilla.
% 
% I've searched the mozilla preferces over and over to see if there is some kind
% of setting, but don't see anything.  Does anyone have any idea what mozilla
% could be doing?
% 
% BTW, I tried Kmail and it has the same problem!  So it could be something in
% outlook?  Ideas of where I could start to look would be welcome.

Hmm. What I would do is to look at the HTML Outlook produces and see what 
it is doing that may be confusing Mozilla.  Could it be something that is
fixed in a newer version of Mozilla?

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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
And one more thing...

On the one list I'm on where a reply-to goes to the sender instead of the 
list you have to anticipate getting at least eight out-of-office 
auto-replies and undeliverable mail notifications.  And no one does 
anything about it, because it's more trouble than it's worth to deal 
with.  On this list those things spam the list.  So people complain, and 
wind up doing something.

At 04:54 PM 1/9/03 -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
On 01/09/03 16:38, Bill Campbell wrote:

On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:35:01PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Say, Doug, would you mind fixing the Reply-To: that Mailman puts on
messages to the list? Currently, it isReply-To: General Linux 
discussion and help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
which is the same as the List-Id: header:
   List-Id: General Linux discussion and help linux-users.linux-sxs.org
I would much prefer to see the Reply-To: left out entirely:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


I wouldn't.  The argument that you referenced is one written by list 
admins for list admins, and intentionally ignores the needs of list members.

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Re: Mozilla mail question

2003-01-10 Thread Jason Joines
Susan Macchia wrote:


Hi all,

Before I state my problem, I want to apologize for this not being a linux only
question.  But I thought that some of you might have experienced this problem. 
Ok, here goes:

At my job most folks use MS Outlook for email and generally format their email
in HTML.

I use Mozilla connecting to the exchange server which is POP.  I like mozilla
much better, with its color coding of the inbox, etc.  When I receive outlook
html formatted email, it looks like plain text in mozilla.  This is a real
problem because in lengthy conversations, it becomes much more difficult to
follow since color coding and font changes may be used.  I have tried saving an
Outlook mail that I've sent as html and then reading it with mozilla, and it
looks fine.  This leads me to believe that the html produced by outlook is
readable by mozilla.  When I read email that I've sent (formatted as html), it
looks fine in both outlook and mozilla.

I've searched the mozilla preferces over and over to see if there is some kind
of setting, but don't see anything.  Does anyone have any idea what mozilla
could be doing?

BTW, I tried Kmail and it has the same problem!  So it could be something in
outlook?  Ideas of where I could start to look would be welcome.

TIA


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   There is an article in the February issue of Linux Journal about 
replacing Microshaft Exchange (there is a commercial product at 
http://www.bynari.net/insightserver.html). 

   From what I can tell Outlook users who connect to the Exchange 
server exchange messages in a proprietary format with proprietary 
headers (Corporate WorkGroup Mode).  When you connect with Mozilla as a 
POP client, it can't decode this format.  If your send mail with 
Mozilla, it never converts the mail to a non standard format, so you can 
read it just fine.  If the Outlook users were to be connected to a 
standard POP/IMAP server they would be in Internet Mail Only Mode and 
would stick closer to the standard so you could probably read their 
stuff.  If your mail were on a different non-Exchange system, mail from 
your Outlook/Exchange users would have to go through an MTA which would 
recode the message and headers to standard before sending it on to the 
remote system.  You should be able to read that fine too.  The problem 
is indeed the use of a non-standards based mail system.

   We have a similar situation here.  The primary campus mail system is 
Lotus Blotes.  It uses a proprietary format for messages between Blotes 
Client/Server users.  If a message is sent to a non Blotes mail system, 
the MTA converts it to standard (usually very poorly, I'm sure the same 
is true of Exchange).  If a user connects to the Blotes server with a 
standard client, such as Mozilla, via POP/IMAP they cannot view the 
formatting of the message properly because it is still in a Blotes 
proprietary format.

Only thing I know that might work is to have your mail forwarded to 
another non-Exchange server and see if the MTA converts it to standards 
well enough for your client to interpret it.

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Re: mtrr setup?

2003-01-10 Thread David A. Bandel
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   reg00: base=0x ( 0MB), size=2048MB; write-back, count=1
 
  you have 2Gb of memory?
 
 yep :)
 
  reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
  reg01: base=0xe400 (3648MB), size=  64MB: write-combining, count=1
  reg02: base=0xdc00 (3520MB), size=   4MB: write-combining, count=1
 
  IIRC, you can only have one write-back entry, the rest will be
  write-combining.  Do you have other entries?  Those others are the
  ones
 
 what I pasted is the only entry

Then that is definitely non-optimal.  But your X driver for your video
card should be setting these parameters.  The reg01 entry above is my PCI
host bridge (entry from /proc/iomem):
e400-e47f : PCI device 1106:3112 (VIA Technologies, Inc.)

and from /proc/pci:
  Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
Host bridge: PCI device 1106:3112 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0).
  Master Capable.  Latency=8.  
  Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400 [0xe47f].

Not sure what the dc00 entry is, but since my video card (onboard) is
4Mb, that should be it.  But these are all set up by drivers that know how
to use mtrr.  The docs suggest that that's what supposed to happen, so I
haven't exactly worried about it before since it looks right.

If you don't have an entry that seems to match your video card's memory,
it's almost certainly not optimized.  What version of X are you running? 
Perhaps you need to upgrade?  Or maybe a quick note to the driver's author
is in line?

Ciao,

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Re: Mozilla mail question

2003-01-10 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
Probably pretty close, but I would suspect other standards-based clients 
(Outlook Express, Eudora) would get the same result.  Exchange probably 
(intelligently - ha ha) strips the out the proprietary code in messages 
accessed by a POP client.  Mozilla probably never gets the chance to decode it.

At 09:03 AM 1/10/03 -0600, Jason Joines wrote:

   There is an article in the February issue of Linux Journal about 
replacing Microshaft Exchange (there is a commercial product at 
http://www.bynari.net/insightserver.html).
   From what I can tell Outlook users who connect to the Exchange server 
exchange messages in a proprietary format with proprietary headers 
(Corporate WorkGroup Mode).  When you connect with Mozilla as a POP 
client, it can't decode this format.  If your send mail with Mozilla, it 
never converts the mail to a non standard format, so you can read it just 
fine.  If the Outlook users were to be connected to a standard POP/IMAP 
server they would be in Internet Mail Only Mode and would stick closer to 
the standard so you could probably read their stuff.  If your mail were 
on a different non-Exchange system, mail from your Outlook/Exchange users 
would have to go through an MTA which would recode the message and 
headers to standard before sending it on to the remote system.  You 
should be able to read that fine too.  The problem is indeed the use of a 
non-standards based mail system.



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Re: mtrr setup?

2003-01-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, David A. Bandel wrote:
 On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:56:35 -0500
 begin  Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

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  David A. Bandel spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
reg00: base=0x ( 0MB), size=2048MB; write-back, count=1
  
   you have 2Gb of memory?
 
  yep :)
 
   reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
   reg01: base=0xe400 (3648MB), size=  64MB: write-combining, count=1
   reg02: base=0xdc00 (3520MB), size=   4MB: write-combining, count=1
  
   IIRC, you can only have one write-back entry, the rest will be
   write-combining.  Do you have other entries?  Those others are the
   ones
 
  what I pasted is the only entry

 Then that is definitely non-optimal.  But your X driver for your video
 card should be setting these parameters.  The reg01 entry above is my PCI
 host bridge (entry from /proc/iomem):
 e400-e47f : PCI device 1106:3112 (VIA Technologies, Inc.)

 and from /proc/pci:
   Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
 Host bridge: PCI device 1106:3112 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0).
   Master Capable.  Latency=8.
   Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400 [0xe47f].

 Not sure what the dc00 entry is, but since my video card (onboard) is
 4Mb, that should be it.  But these are all set up by drivers that know how
 to use mtrr.  The docs suggest that that's what supposed to happen, so I
 haven't exactly worried about it before since it looks right.

 If you don't have an entry that seems to match your video card's memory,
 it's almost certainly not optimized.  What version of X are you running?
 Perhaps you need to upgrade?  Or maybe a quick note to the driver's author
 is in line?

What Doug didn't mention is that he's seeing this on a 1U rackmount
server, that has an onboard ATI RageXP chipset.  Not sure how much that
matters, however i was always of the belief that you shouldn't be running
X on a rackmount server unless something that the server was serving
required X.

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Re: another small problem with networking

2003-01-10 Thread David A. Bandel
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 At 05:55 PM 5/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
 If you want to know how to put both Win boxes on the same subnet using
 the bridge tools, let me know and I'll provide you a short SxS.
 
 Ciao,
 
 David A. Bandel
 
 I would appreciate that very much thank you, David.
 

OK, sorry to take so long (kinda busy).

First a little theory so you understand what's going on.

Basically there are three networking devices: gateways, routers, and
bridges.  These are systems that normally have multiple interfaces.

For our (very limited) purposes, gateways and routers are the same (please
don't flame, I know better, but I want to talk about bridges) -- they
accept a packet on one interface and route it out another interface
depending on its destination.  Normally, they will have more than one
interface, but this isn't required (you can put one interface on two
separate subnets and route, but this is non-optimal and requires turning
off redirects).  These devices are visible as a hop in a traceroute.

Other systems that are neither routers, gateways, nor bridges can have
multiple interfaces to provide redundancy, massive parallel processing, or
for ethernet bonding (called Trunking by SUN or Etherchannel by Cisco) but
these are not considered here.

Bridges work a little differently.  A system used as a bridge will have
multiple interfaces.  Whereas in routers and gateways, each interface will
have one or more unique IP(s) on separate networks, a bridge combines
multiple interfaces into what looks like one interface.  This interface is
only visible when the system it is on is addressed directly.  Otherwise,
the bridging system is invisible in a traceroute when tracerouting from
one side of the bridge to the other.  That is, for all intents and
purposes, the bridge doesn't exist.

How does this work?  Well, let's say we have three interfaces on a system
- -- eth0 goes to the world, and eth1 and eth2 are bridged.

eth0 will have a unique IP on its network.  eth1 and eth2 will be combined
and called br0.  Neither will get a unique IP, but the bridge device will
get a unique IP.

Now eth1 and eth2 both have unique MAC addresses.  So when each are
connected to a different physical (but not logical) network segment, they
will listen for unanswered arp broadcasts on their physical network and
broadcast that arp request on the other physical network segment.  As the
bridge hears replies, it will learn on which physical segment each IP/MAC
pair is on and act accordingly.

So let's say you have:
Host foo: 192.168.0.2 connected to eth1 of the bridge (192.168.0.1, MAC
..:00)
Host bar: 192.168.0.3 connected to eth2 of the bridge (192.168.0.1, MAC
..:01)
(for simplicity, the first 5 duplets of the MAC address represented by
..)

when foo tries to talk to bar, it (foo) will first send an arp who-has
request.  the bridge will see it unanswered, so on the second or third
broadcast, it will duplicate the broadcast on its other interface (eth1 or
MAC ...:01).  bar will now see the arp who-has and reply.  The bridge
will pass the reply to foo and the two will communicate through the unseen
bridge as if connected to the same hub or switch.

In order to actually put the bridge into operation, you need support in
the kernel (Networking Options -- 802.1d Ethernet Bridging) as either
builtin or a module (I suggest a module).

Then you'll need the bridging tools (may or may not be available with your
distro).  The specific program you'll use is:  brctl (usually
/usr/sbin/brctl or /sbin/brctl)

To create a bridge, you first need to define the bridge:
brctl addbr br0

after running the above, if you run: `ifconfig -a` you'll see br0.

now you just need to add interfaces to it:
brctl addif eth1 br0

this adds the interface eth1 to br0.

add any other interfaces:
brctl addif eth2 br0

for more info see `man brctl`

After adding your interfaces, you treat br0 as you would eth0 by assigning
an IP to it:
ifconfig br0 192.168.0.1 ...

Note:  if you put another bridge on one of the bridged ethernet segments,
_don't_ play with the spanning tree protocol (stp) unless you know what
you're doing.

The Spanning Tree Protocol is used by interconnected bridges to find the
shortest, most efficient path between two systems.  They do this by
exchanging bridge protocol datagrams (if you use wireless APs that have
WDS, wireless distribution system, aka a wireless backbone, they'll make
extensive use of STP on
the WDS side).  If you alter the stp (and don't keep them in sync) your
network will suffer horribly and may stop working altogether.  STP
prevents looping and more.  Leave the defaults. 

Basically, the above is all there is to it (for a single bridge
consisting of two or more interfaces).

Note:  when a system first comes on the net, it may take a few seconds the
first time it tries to contact a system on the other side of the 

Re: Linux 2.5.54... a treat!

2003-01-10 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Thursday 09 January 2003 0:20 am, Jerry McBride wrote:
 I've got it on my home lan and my personal lapop. We'll see just how
 good it is for that purpose... it is beta, but so far it looks ok. As
 for performance, it seems like all the previous builds.


 Hmm... just got a message, 2.5.55 is now out for testting... gotta go.


What else did you have to change?  

Other packages?

What version of modutils are you using?



 :')

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 wrote:
  Its nice to know it build cleanly, but how does it run?  I'd be
  quite concerned about stability.
 
  On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jerry McBride wrote:
   It's been a while since I tried the 2.5.x kernel tree... and on a
   whim I grabbed a copy of the latest 2.5.54 tarball for something
   to do.
  
   Anyways, it configured and compiled without any extra fuss or
   hacking like some of the previous releases. All in all, it's feel
   pretty sweet.
  
   If you're looking for something to do...
 
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Re: mtrr setup?

2003-01-10 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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David A. Bandel spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 If you don't have an entry that seems to match your video card's memory,
 it's almost certainly not optimized.  What version of X are you running?
 Perhaps you need to upgrade?  Or maybe a quick note to the driver's author
 is in line?

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rsync without a shell

2003-01-10 Thread Net Llama!
I'm trying to setup rsync over ssh without giving the user a shell
account.  Unfortunately, setting the user's shell to /bin/false prevents
the rsync from running, as it fails with this error:
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)

Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: rsync without a shell

2003-01-10 Thread Andrew Mathews
Net Llama! wrote:

I'm trying to setup rsync over ssh without giving the user a shell
account.  Unfortunately, setting the user's shell to /bin/false prevents
the rsync from running, as it fails with this error:
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)

Does anyone have any suggestions?



/sbin/nologin?

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Re: rsync without a shell

2003-01-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote:

 Net Llama! wrote:
  I'm trying to setup rsync over ssh without giving the user a shell
  account.  Unfortunately, setting the user's shell to /bin/false prevents
  the rsync from running, as it fails with this error:
  rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
  rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)
 
  Does anyone have any suggestions?
 

 /sbin/nologin?

protocol version mismatch - is your shell clean?
(see the rsync man page for an explanation)


any other ideas?

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my printer may have died

2003-01-10 Thread Bonez
Help:

I went to print to my trusty HP laser jet iii and it stopped responding. 

I am not sure if I have sent it some weird command that makes it not talk to 
my system any more (caldera 3.1) but it has printed fine for the past several 
months. Now, neither Windows nor Linux will print to it. 

How do I test it to see if the communication is there? 

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Re: rsync without a shell

2003-01-10 Thread Andrew Mathews
Net Llama! wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote:



Net Llama! wrote:


I'm trying to setup rsync over ssh without giving the user a shell
account.  Unfortunately, setting the user's shell to /bin/false prevents
the rsync from running, as it fails with this error:
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)

Does anyone have any suggestions?



/sbin/nologin?



protocol version mismatch - is your shell clean?
(see the rsync man page for an explanation)


any other ideas?



From the rsync man page:
You can also specify an alternative to rsh, either by using the -e 
command line option, or by setting the RSYNC_RSH environment variable.
One common substitute is to use ssh, which  offers  a  high  degree  of 
security.
[]
RSYNC_RSH
The RSYNC_RSH environment variable allows you  to  override  the
default  shell used as the transport for rsync. This can be used
instead of the -e option.
Have you tried this?
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Re: my printer may have died

2003-01-10 Thread Aaron Grewell
Wow, I've never heard of anyone being able to kill an LJIII.  They are
some of the most indestructible printers I've ever seen.  The easiest
way (once you've printed a test page to make sure the printer isn't well
and truly dead) is to plug it into a different machine.  Use a different
cable as well to make sure it isn't the cable.  You should know if
there's communication since the thing blinks whenever you send it
anything.  No blinky, no worky. ;)

On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 14:48, Bonez wrote:
 Help:
 
 I went to print to my trusty HP laser jet iii and it stopped responding. 
 
 I am not sure if I have sent it some weird command that makes it not talk to 
 my system any more (caldera 3.1) but it has printed fine for the past several 
 months. Now, neither Windows nor Linux will print to it. 
 
 How do I test it to see if the communication is there? 
 
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Re: my printer may have died

2003-01-10 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Friday 10 January 2003 18:11 pm, Aaron Grewell wrote:
 Wow, I've never heard of anyone being able to kill an LJIII.  They are
 some of the most indestructible printers I've ever seen.  The easiest
 way (once you've printed a test page to make sure the printer isn't
 well and truly dead) is to plug it into a different machine.  Use a
 different cable as well to make sure it isn't the cable.  You should
 know if there's communication since the thing blinks whenever you send
 it anything.  No blinky, no worky. ;)


I feel the same about the LJIII  and still own one of the 'tanks'.

Also try to print the 'test' page...  (but I forget how and the printer 
isn't nearby at the present time)

Usually if you send something to the printer that 'farkles' it, turning 
it off and on will usually cure the problem.



 On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 14:48, Bonez wrote:
  Help:
 
  I went to print to my trusty HP laser jet iii and it stopped
  responding.
 
  I am not sure if I have sent it some weird command that makes it not
  talk to my system any more (caldera 3.1) but it has printed fine for
  the past several months. Now, neither Windows nor Linux will print
  to it.
 
  How do I test it to see if the communication is there?
 
  Scott
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Re: rsync without a shell

2003-01-10 Thread Federico Voges
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:20:12 -0500 (EST), Net Llama! wrote:

I'm trying to setup rsync over ssh without giving the user a shell
account.  Unfortunately, setting the user's shell to /bin/false prevents
the rsync from running, as it fails with this error:
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)

Does anyone have any suggestions?


I guess that you need a valid shell so rsync can exec rsync on the
remote host.

There's a project called rssh (http://freshmeat.net/projects/rssh/).
It's no exactly what you need but comes very close.

Basically, it's a shell that restricts just to remote exec of scp
and/or sftp (no interactive shell). 

It shouldn't be to hard to add rsync to the list of allowed commands.
You'll have to do some research on how rsync over ssh works, though.

Bye!


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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Yes, I used the L key but the frustration for me was that 99.98% of my lists responded 
to clicking on the reply button and filled out the reply to correctly.  Not two of 
them - they used the lame excuse (maybe one day I'll really express my feelings on 
this subject G) of mailboxes filling up and bouncing back so we'll mess up the reply 
to headers!  And I was running Kmail under KDE 2.2.1 and it did not have the button 
for reply to list in the choices - that was suggested and I checked.  I never bothered 
to go to KDE 3.x - instead I installed a new distro on a new box and went with xfce.

In addtion the reply to doesn't help when you have to use brain dead webmail. I don't 
like webmail but sometimes it's all I got and I have to cut and paste or remember the 
list addresses.  But it makes the admin's life easier - so what about the users G.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:41:06 -0500
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 09 January 2003 9:43 pm, someone claiming to be Brett I. Holcomb 
 wrote:
 snip
   Going to Sylpheed from Kmail (and I'm not looking back G) helped but not
  everyone runs Sylpheed.  As Lonnie said - it's a convience for list admins,
  not the users.
 snip
 
 Well, upon further review, kmail (1.4.3  1.5) *does* have a Reply to List 
 button, just not loaded on the Toolbar by default. It *is* accessible by 
 pressing the letter L, however. And I've added it to the toolbar. 
 
 So, I guess I don't care what's in the reply to field, now :-)
 
 BTW, a new feature (at least I *think* it's new) in kmail version 1.5 is a 
 delete button that actually deletes the message instead of moving it to 
 trash. You can still move messages to trash, if you like, but you can also 
 *really* delete a message. I also like the ability to set expiration rules in 
 individual mail folders in kmail. But I digress... 
 
 Regards,
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Re: another small problem with networking

2003-01-10 Thread Collins
[ snips ]

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:42:26 -0500
David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:57:00 +1000
 begin  Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:
 
  At 05:55 PM 5/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
  
  
  If you want to know how to put both Win boxes on the same subnet
  using the bridge tools, let me know and I'll provide you a short
  SxS.
  

 
 First a little theory so you understand what's going on.
 
 Basically there are three networking devices: gateways, routers, and
 bridges.  These are systems that normally have multiple interfaces.
 
 For our (very limited) purposes, gateways and routers are the same
 (please don't flame, I know better, but I want to talk about bridges)

Very clear presentation.  Now dummies like me who don't deal with
communications protocols very often would like to know - why would you
use a bridge as opposed to a gateway/router?

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Re: Linux 2.5.54... a treat!

2003-01-10 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Friday 10 January 2003 21:48 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:55:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  On Thursday 09 January 2003 0:20 am, Jerry McBride wrote:
   I've got it on my home lan and my personal lapop. We'll see just
   how good it is for that purpose... it is beta, but so far it looks
   ok. As for performance, it seems like all the previous builds.
  
  
   Hmm... just got a message, 2.5.55 is now out for testting... gotta
   go.
 
  What else did you have to change?

 My machines meet or exceeds the requirements mentioned in the
 linux/Documentation/Changes file.

  What version of modutils are you using?

 The latest one...

Well, I guess I deserved this non-answer.



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Re: mtrr setup?

2003-01-10 Thread Tim Wunder
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 8:43 pm, someone claiming to be David A. Bandel 
wrote:
 On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:56:37 -0500
snip

 reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
 reg01: base=0xe400 (3648MB), size=  64MB: write-combining, count=1
 reg02: base=0xdc00 (3520MB), size=   4MB: write-combining, count=1

 IIRC, you can only have one write-back entry, the rest will be
 write-combining.  
snip

Perhaps only one write-back per type of RAM module? I have two sticks of RAM, 
a 512MB and a 256MB and I get
$ cat /proc/mtrr
reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0x2000 ( 512MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
reg02: base=0xe400 (3648MB), size=  32MB: write-combining, count=1
reg05: base=0xe000 (3584MB), size=  64MB: write-combining, count=2

reg02 is my video card. Dunno what reg05 is. I've only got 1 video card 
installed. I have a SCSI card for one of my CD-RW's, a sound card and a NIC.

Regards, 
Tim

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Re: Linux 2.5.54... a treat!

2003-01-10 Thread Jerry McBride
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:55:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 09 January 2003 0:20 am, Jerry McBride wrote:
  I've got it on my home lan and my personal lapop. We'll see just how
  good it is for that purpose... it is beta, but so far it looks ok. As
  for performance, it seems like all the previous builds.
 
 
  Hmm... just got a message, 2.5.55 is now out for testting... gotta go.
 
 
 What else did you have to change?  
 

My machines meet or exceeds the requirements mentioned in the
linux/Documentation/Changes file.

 What version of modutils are you using?
 

The latest one...


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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Collins
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:22:09 -0500
Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not two of them - they used the lame excuse
 (maybe one day I'll really express my feelings on this subject G) of
 mailboxes filling up and bouncing back so we'll mess up the reply to
 headers!  

This is much the same as the emacs vs. anything else wars, etc.

OTOH, it's not such a lame excuse when the admin for the list finds his
bandwidth consumed by idiots whose mailboxes fill while on vacation and
the bounce messages get propagated to all users including the lamebrain
thus resulting in a lot of grief.

Regardless of your feelings, you will not be able to persuade the admins
who have made this choice.  Such discussion changes usually end with a
word from the admin - end of discussion.

I'm just thankful that Sylpheed can usually do the right thing, although
I do find the occasional list mail that has strange headers such that
even Sylpheed can't sleuth out the list reply address!

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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:28:21 -0700
Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:22:09 -0500
 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  mailboxes filling up and bouncing back so we'll mess up the reply to
  headers!  
 
 This is much the same as the emacs vs. anything else wars, etc.
 
 OTOH, it's not such a lame excuse when the admin for the list finds his
 bandwidth consumed by idiots whose mailboxes fill while on vacation and
 the bounce messages get propagated to all users including the lamebrain
 thus resulting in a lot of grief.

Maybe, but I have to wonder when 99.98% of the lists seem to handle it with no 
problems and have for years.
 
 Regardless of your feelings, you will not be able to persuade the admins
 who have made this choice.  Such discussion changes usually end with a
 word from the admin - end of discussion.

I have no illusions about convincing them.
 
 I'm just thankful that Sylpheed can usually do the right thing, although
 I do find the occasional list mail that has strange headers such that
 even Sylpheed can't sleuth out the list reply address!

Like Kmail G.  Yes, I'm glad Slypheed does it right.  I went to it because I want to 
get away from KDE (I stopped at 2.2.1) and with this new box and Gentoo I had the 
opportunity.  So far I like Sylpheed (I'm using Claws) very much.

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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Tim Wunder
On Friday 10 January 2003 9:22 pm, someone claiming to be Brett I. Holcomb 
wrote:
 Yes, I used the L key but the frustration for me was that 99.98% of my
 lists responded to clicking on the reply button and filled out the reply to
 correctly.  Not two of them - ...
snip

You're on 1 mailing lists?
wow ;-)

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Re: Please Fix List's Reply-To: Header

2003-01-10 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
It feels like it sometimes G.  Not that many by a long shot.  You want to get deluge 
- join openoffice users!

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:07:31 -0500
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 10 January 2003 9:22 pm, someone claiming to be Brett I. Holcomb 
 wrote:
  Yes, I used the L key but the frustration for me was that 99.98% of my
  lists responded to clicking on the reply button and filled out the reply to
  correctly.  Not two of them - ...
 snip
 
 You're on 1 mailing lists?
 wow ;-)
 
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Re: mtrr setup?

2003-01-10 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
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% 
% David A. Bandel spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
%  If you don't have an entry that seems to match your video card's memory,
%  it's almost certainly not optimized.  What version of X are you running?
%  Perhaps you need to upgrade?  Or maybe a quick note to the driver's author
%  is in line?
% 
% 4.2.1

I did a bit of googling:

http://www.penguin.cz/~stano/en/mtrr.html
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-proc-topfiles.html#S2-PROC-MTRR

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Re: my printer may have died

2003-01-10 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Bonez wrote:
% Help:
% 
% I went to print to my trusty HP laser jet iii and it stopped responding. 

What's changed between the last successful print session and now?

[...]

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Re: linux firewire recommendations

2003-01-10 Thread Javier Hernandez
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Collins wrote:
 Anyone familiar with linux/fireware/adapters etc.?
 I'm looking to attach my JVC DVL805 camcorder to my linux box.
 Obviously I will need to add a firewire adapter to the box and software.
 I would love to hear your suggestions

Hi Collins,

You could take a look to http://www.linux1394.org

After researching at that web site I went for an Exsys EX-6500
Firewire Card. (PCI)

I have been using that one for one and half year now and it
works fine for me.

I use it to connect my Sony PC100E and my Canopus ADVC-100 Analog
to Digital convertor to my linux Video processing machine.

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