Re: How do you stop OSS, Artsd,Gnome sound etc from Jumping all over each other?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:16:51 +1100 james mcdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip--- Thanks I knew the answer had to be something I hadn't seen before... now the task is to get all the disparate system apps that use each different system to call artsdsp... You'll like artsd and it's support apps. With it running and having all your sound apps using it, you'll never run into the various apps clobbering each other fighting for sound resources. The other nice thing is, arts will run all by itself... you don't need to load any other the other kde apps if you don't want to. In my opinion, this makes artsd a winner as a sound server. I am getting to the stage where I think it would be better to make my own distribution JamesLinux or something just so I can have everything work the way I want it to. Yeah I know. I looked into it for the same reasons and even started a project at work that would have been perfect for our purposes. However... the time required to implement it and then maintain it was what killed it. It's easier to take a distro and upgrade as needed. Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 9:18am up 78 days, 14:52, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!)
Susan Macchia wrote: Pretty weird, huh? Anyone have any ideas? Definately caused by (this weeks excuse) Solar flares. You will need a Feng sheui consultant to reorganize the chi at work, oh and crystals may help as well. = _ Susan Macchia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - Running Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!)
James McDonald wrote: Susan Macchia wrote: Pretty weird, huh? Anyone have any ideas? Definately caused by (this weeks excuse) Solar flares. You will need a Feng sheui consultant to reorganize the chi at work, oh and crystals may help as well. You left out the magic incantation: Upgrade the hardware. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!)
You have a network app that perhaps does some key mapping on its own. :-( On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:56:06 -0800 (PST) - Susan Macchia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!) Hi all, I have been experiencing some weird behavior of the X display at work for over a year now. I searched the web and didn't find much about this problem. I am wondering if it is a configuration issue or a bug in XFree. I have a no-name PC at work, IA32, 2.2Ghz, 1/2G memory. While the PC is a no-name, I think it is manufactured by IBM. I initially installed RedHat 7.2, then 7.3, then 8.0 (brand new install for 8.0). When I log into the X server, over the course of the day, the =/+ key turns into a backspace (VERY annoying for one who writes code). Sometimes it happens right away, sometimes it takes several hours. I've tried NIS login vs local, thinking it might be something in my environment. I've tried gnome vs kde and it still occurs. I also have a laptop for work (ibm thinkpad t22) which had w2k installed and I repartitioned and installed RH 8.0 (dual boot). Low and behold the same thing happens on the laptop when plugged into the network at work (I've only seen it with the NIS log in, though). Now at home I have a Dell and a Presario w/ Redhat 8.0 (and other distros over the last few years). I leave myself logged in for days, weeks, etc and have *never* seen this phenomena. I often bring the laptop home and work for several hours under RH and haven't noticed this problem. Another interesting observation: my co-worker runs Xfree under cygwin on the same PC hardware (no-name) on the network at work, and has noticed the same phenomona. It is really weird and very hard to trace. I have no idea what causes it and have tried to pay attention to the apps I run and what I do in a day. I also looked at .xsession-errors and didn't see anything that was off except the following lines: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/bin/gqview And the at /usr/bin/gqview is substituted by a variety of other executables (pam-panel-icon:#, /usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui:#, etc.). This is probably a red-herring and I noticed it because of the =. And I see the same errors in my .xsession-errors at home (which doesn't have these symptoms). Pretty weird, huh? Anyone have any ideas? TIA = _ Susan Macchia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - Running Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0
OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? The readme file on the Slack site suggests using mkisofs to do this and has the complete mkisofs command, but how do you get there from here? The readme says get into the top level Slackware directory. Does this mean you have first to download and duplicate the complete directory tree as it appears on the ftp site before you can do the mkisofs? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
lcd monitors and linux
I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? Thanks, el lodger -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!)
Just curious, did you do a loadkeys -d On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:56:06 -0800 (PST) - Susan Macchia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Weird X behavior (=/+ changes to bs!) Hi all, I have been experiencing some weird behavior of the X display at work for over a year now. I searched the web and didn't find much about this problem. I am wondering if it is a configuration issue or a bug in XFree. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, el lodger wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? the kernel doesn't provide monitor support, X provides that support. But yes, they're supported in XFree86-4.x. I don't know anything about constrast ratios. I'd think that the maximum resolution would be key. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slackware 9.0
Collins Richey wrote: OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? The readme file on the Slack site suggests using mkisofs to do this and has the complete mkisofs command, but how do you get there from here? The readme says get into the top level Slackware directory. Does this mean you have first to download and duplicate the complete directory tree as it appears on the ftp site before you can do the mkisofs? From the README file, To make a bootable Slackware install CD, get into the top level Slackware directory (The one with ChangeLog.txt in it) and issue a command like this to build the ISO image in /tmp: mkisofs -o /tmp/slackware.iso \ -R -J -V Slackware Install \ -x ./bootdisks \ -x ./extra \ -x ./slackware/gnome \ -x ./pasture \ -x ./rootdisks \ -x ./source \ -x ./zipslack \ -hide-rr-moved \ -v -d -N -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 32 -boot-info-table \ -sort isolinux/iso.sort \This is for a 10 speed burner, adjust it for the speed you can burn at. -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ -c isolinux/isolinux.boot \ -A Slackware Install CD . Then use 'cdrecord' to burn it. (See 'man cdrecord') Notice that to fit the install image on one CD, you must exclude GNOME: -x ./slackware/gnome \ or exclude KDE: -x ./slackware/kde \ -x ./slackware/kdei \ or, leave them both off: -x ./slackware/gnome \ -x ./slackware/kde \ -x ./slackware/kdei \ or, leave off the KDEI series (KDE translations):This is for a 10 speed burner, adjust it for the speed you can burn at. -x ./slackware/kdei \ What I found is that the top level was the directory that had all the README, UPGRADE, FILE-LIST, and PACKAGE files in it along with the directories for source, slackware, rootdisk, etc., in it. In order to get everything on one CD, you have to leave off some things, as is suggested above with all the -x listings and the advice to leave off either GNOME, KDE, or KDEI. I left off KDEI and all the -x listings as suggested. This fit nicely on one CD. But since the -x listings need not be burned onto the CD, they also do not need be downloaded --- why take time to download something you will not use? I did download the rootdisk and extra directories, as there was stuff on them that I wanted even if I did not put them on the CD. So you do not need download the entire directory tree, just the stuff you want to use. As a minimum, you'll need the isolinux, kernels and slackware directories. I ended up issuing this command to make the .iso image mkisofs -o /tmp/slackware.iso \ -R -J -V Slackware Install \ -hide-rr-moved \ -v -d -N -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 32 -boot-info-table \ -sort isolinux/iso.sort \ -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ -c isolinux/isolinux.boot \ -A Slackware Install CD . Note the . at the end of the command. This created an .iso image called slackware.iso in the /tmp directory and put the base installation on it along with Gnome and KDE in the CD image. Make sure that /tmp has enough room for the .iso image (about 700 MB). To burn the CD, issue cdrecord -v speed=10 dev=0,0,0 -data /tmp/slackware.iso This is for a 10 speed burner as the first burner in the system, adjust it for the speed you can burn at and for your burner placement. Good luck. BOF ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, el lodger wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? the kernel doesn't provide monitor support, X provides that support. But yes, they're supported in XFree86-4.x. I don't know anything about constrast ratios. I'd think that the maximum resolution would be key. X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. YMMV. Of course, if you have limited desk space, that could tilt the equation. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slackware 9.0
[ snips ] On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:48:47 -0700 bof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? But since the -x listings need not be burned onto the CD, they also do not need be downloaded --- why take time to download something you will not use? I did download the rootdisk and extra directories, as there was stuff on them that I wanted even if I did not put them on the CD. So you do not need download the entire directory tree, just the stuff you want to use. As a minimum, you'll need the isolinux, kernels and slackware directories. Many thanks; will try it. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thursday 27 March 2003 17:49 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, el lodger wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? the kernel doesn't provide monitor support, X provides that support. But yes, they're supported in XFree86-4.x. I don't know anything about constrast ratios. I'd think that the maximum resolution would be key. X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. YMMV. Of course, if you have limited desk space, that could tilt the equation. Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, goes around I guess. :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/27/03 18:06 + ++ I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. - Oscar Wilde ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:22 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. This is what I wanted to know. My, soon to be, 60 year old eyes don't take kindly to strain and small fonts. I currently have a 19 crt and the price of 18+ lcds does give me pause. Thanks Collins, el lodger -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
[ snips ] On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and Wow, we wouldn't want to start a trend! (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, goes around I guess. :-) I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, Marshall, let me know how the Xconfig goes with your gentoo! el lodger -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:48:07 -0800 el lodger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snips ] This is what I wanted to know. My, soon to be, 60 year old eyes don't take kindly to strain and small fonts. I currently have a 19 crt and the price of 18+ lcds does give me pause. Thanks Collins, Alas, I'm a few months ahead of you - 60 in January. My eyes certainly want bigger fonts. Also, whenever possible I configure everything to replace the brilliant white backgrounds with a pale color - much easier on the eyes. -- Collins -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On 03/27/03 15:48, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:22 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. This is what I wanted to know. My, soon to be, 60 year old eyes don't take kindly to strain and small fonts. I currently have a 19 crt and the price of 18+ lcds does give me pause. personally, i don't see the great attraction to LCD monitors. sure they're lighter smaller physcially than CRTs, but once you get past that, they really don't perform anywhere near as well (refresh rates for starters) as CRTs, they cost significantly more, and they don't support high resolutions (1600x1200 for starters). -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:05pm up 18 days, 16:35, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.18, 0.33 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thursday 27 March 2003 19:02 pm, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, Marshall, let me know how the Xconfig goes with your gentoo! el lodger Well maybe Collins or someone else can tell me this... I downloaded the 194MB cd to do the install but I only have a 56KB dialup line (24/7 tho) and I'm wondering what kind of time it is going to take to get it all together? People seem to say that it takes broadband in which case it may not even be a starter. But I think I'll at least get it started so I can see what it looks like. Every night I could load up a pretty large chunk of it. Am I crazy? (to try gentoo...) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/27/03 19:13 + ++ Who's General Failure why's he reading my disk? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Why doesn't .Xdefaults work
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:13:48 +0100 Norbert Augenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:30:32PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but it's got me buffaloed. I have the following in ~/.Xdefaults, and this used to work: # this is .Xdefaults aterm*background '#e0' ... aterm*savedLines 500 suggest using colons Previous hint (Llama) was check ~/.xsession-errors, but absolutely nothing in that file. What do you mean by use colons? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Why doesn't .Xdefaults work
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 05:21:07PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:13:48 +0100 Norbert Augenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:30:32PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but it's got me buffaloed. I have the following in ~/.Xdefaults, and this used to work: # this is .Xdefaults aterm*background '#e0' ... aterm*savedLines 500 suggest using colons Previous hint (Llama) was check ~/.xsession-errors, but absolutely nothing in that file. What do you mean by use colons? If you're using KDE, make sure that there isn't an app-defaults file for the aterm under /opt/kde*. I run into this with xterms in that my $HOME/XTerm file is ignored unless I comment out everything in the /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdisplay/app-defaults/XTerm.ad file. Incidentally, the comment character in these files is ``!'' not the usual ``#''. KDE, in its infinite wisdom, seems to read its own app-defaults files _AFTER_ anything in the user's home directory (SCO OpenServer does much the same way, using proprietary color names as well which really screws things in Linux xterms). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ If the Democrats had wanted Gore to be president, they should have voted for impeachment. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:10:57 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 18:54 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. Actually I remember that Slackware came up easily the first time I tried it back in 1994 or so... and I had two SCSI controllers in my machine and I remember having to give the boot process for the install the parameters for the 2nd controller. But they had a good booklet that came with the distro that explained all that. Seems pretty fantastic now what with all the problems people (and myself) can run into trying to do an install... Good luck! And as a PS... right after getting Slack installed I tried RH at around 4.3? Had some problems and it took 6 weeks to get a response out of their support... by that time it was in the trash. :-) Never have been able to have much success with RH since. RH 4.3 is the only RH distro I've tried, and it worked reliably for me. As was the case with any distro other than gentoo (debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro), I got tired of searching for and retrofitting software (RPM hell, etc.). It would never occur to me to look for support with the vendor; that's what we're all for!!! Even Caldera in it's heyday wasn't very responsive with support. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:16:07 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 19:02 pm, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, Marshall, let me know how the Xconfig goes with your gentoo! el lodger Well maybe Collins or someone else can tell me this... I downloaded the 194MB cd to do the install but I only have a 56KB dialup line (24/7 tho) and I'm wondering what kind of time it is going to take to get it all together? People seem to say that it takes broadband in which case it may not even be a starter. But I think I'll at least get it started so I can see what it looks like. Every night I could load up a pretty large chunk of it. Am I crazy? (to try gentoo...) Well, one of the gentoo developers still uses dialup. During the install you can do 'emerge-p system file' and use the list to generate a script with 'emerge--fetchonly' commands to download the stuff overnight(s). I would suspect 1-2 nights just to get everything. One the downloads are done, then you can issue 'emerge system' for real. Of course, that's only the base system(no X, etc.). Downloading X, KDE, Mozilla, Gnome, Gimp, etc. over dialup is going to be painfully s-l-o-w. Since you already have a running system, you can do the gentoo work from the chroot environment - just let it chug along until it's done while you enjoy doing something else. With dialup, it's going to take you a couple of weeks to get a normal system going. Once you've suffered through that, you'll like the system. Most of the upgrades after that will be less painful, until one of the biggies comes along again. I never tried gentoo until I had cable, so it was not so bad for me. I can rebuild a system in about 2+ days. Not quite the same as RH, Mandrake, etc. YMMV. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT We won't back down...
I received this on a automotive list I'm on... It is in Shockwave, but if you can give it a look.. http://www.teasquadron.com/Soldiers.html Bill Day 8:10pm up 82 days, 1:45, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 http://counter.li.org #83358 http://linux-sxs.org/ YIM dakota4x4moparAIM BadManD73 '95 Flame Red CC 4X4 3.9 Magnum AT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
how to direct select output to insert input
i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 5:40pm up 18 days, 18:10, 3 users, load average: 0.49, 0.18, 0.11 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:23:29 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:10:57 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 18:54 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. Actually I remember that Slackware came up easily the first time I tried it back in 1994 or so... and I had two SCSI controllers in my machine and I remember having to give the boot process for the install the parameters for the 2nd controller. But they had a good booklet that came with the distro that explained all that. Seems pretty fantastic now what with all the problems people (and myself) can run into trying to do an install... Good luck! And as a PS... right after getting Slack installed I tried RH at around 4.3? Had some problems and it took 6 weeks to get a response out of their support... by that time it was in the trash. :-) Never have been able to have much success with RH since. RH 4.3 is the only RH distro I've tried, and it worked reliably for me. As was the case with any distro other than gentoo (debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro), I got tired of searching for and retrofitting software (RPM hell, etc.). It would never occur to me to look for support with the vendor; that's what we're all for!!! Even Caldera in it's heyday wasn't very responsive with support. Oops, RH 7.3 !!! -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:41:55 -0600 Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received this on a automotive list I'm on... It is in Shockwave, but if you can give it a look.. http://www.teasquadron.com/Soldiers.html Bill Day Wow! The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is getting hammered with hits. Some of us support the troops. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
Collins Richey wrote: RH 4.3 is the only RH distro I've tried, and it worked reliably for me. As was the case with any distro other than gentoo (debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro), I got tired of searching for and retrofitting software (RPM hell, etc.). It would never occur to me to look for support with the vendor; that's what we're all for!!! Even Caldera in it's heyday wasn't very responsive with support. Re debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro) I'm playing with Libranet 2.8 beta 2. Looking good. Might be worth your while to give it a whirl when it is released. Look's like there will be a beta 3. The beta testers are going to town, and as a result a lot of polishing is going on. Getting back on topic: I've been looking (i.e. staring) at LCD's at Best Buy etc. I'm just not impressed with the clarity of the characters. I guess they are intended for people who like graphics, but for text work, a $120 17" CRT has a sharper text display than a $800 LCD of equivalent size. Of course, I have not seen a Sharp brand LCD. These are supposed to be the ultimate LCD's. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:00:55 -0500 Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting back on topic: I've been looking (i.e. staring) at LCD's at Best Buy etc. I'm just not impressed with the clarity of the characters. I guess they are intended for people who like graphics, but for text work, a $120 17 CRT has a sharper text display than a $800 LCD of equivalent size. Of course, I have not seen a Sharp brand LCD. These are supposed to be the ultimate LCD's. I think LCD's are the ultimate for space savings and easy portability, but you are 100% right: the text quality is nothing to write home about. Even the ViewSonic LCD unit is not the equal of a ViewSonic monitor. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
Hi, On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 11:27, Collins Richey wrote: Some of us support the troops. Knowing this is waay off-topic :) I think the troops deserve our 110% support. It is the leaders of the relevant Governments that may not deserve our support. James -- James McArthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bender: I get a good vibe from this place. Nice long dinner table, quiet well-behaved spiders, graveyards adjacent ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
begin Collins Richey's quote: | The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is | getting hammered with hits. | | Some of us support the troops. you'll find this, then, um, amusing. it is written by the chairman of the kde league: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafem=104870620205766w=2 -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:11:21 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:00:55 -0500 Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just not impressed with the clarity of the characters. I guess they are intended for people who like graphics, but for text work, a $120 17 CRT has a sharper text display than a $800 LCD of equivalent size. Of course, I have not seen a Sharp brand LCD. These are supposed to be the ultimate LCD's. I think LCD's are the ultimate for space savings and easy portability, but you are 100% right: the text quality is nothing to write home about. Even the ViewSonic LCD unit is not the equal of a ViewSonic monitor. I'm glad I asked about lcds. Since I am not a gamester I will stay with the crt and many crisp $100 bills. el lodger -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:29:38 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is | getting hammered with hits. | | Some of us support the troops. you'll find this, then, um, amusing. it is written by the chairman of the kde league: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafem=104870620205766w=2 -- Yeah, pretty standard Bush bashing, conspiracy in every pot and two under every rock, etc. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; Bill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0 (more)
I see that gcc 3.2.2 is now the compiler. Does Slack offer the compatibility-libs for running phoenix nightly (and other) binary builds? Phoenix, mozilla, etc. compile and run fine with 3.2.2, but the various plugins don't work with the new compiler, so I'm sticking with the binary builds. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On 03/27/03 19:10, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:05pm up 18 days, 19:35, 3 users, load average: 1.09, 1.06, 0.87 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:11:37 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/27/03 19:10, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL I was just about to correct that post. INSERT creates a new row. It sounds like you need to UPDATE. I don't know how to to update multiple rows with different data. Sorry. Bill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On 03/27/03 19:37, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:11:37 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/27/03 19:10, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL I was just about to correct that post. INSERT creates a new row. It sounds like you need to UPDATE. I don't know how to to update multiple rows with different data. Sorry. why would i want to update? there's nothing in b yet to update, which is why i thought inserting was the way to get the data in there. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:40pm up 18 days, 20:10, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.16 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:44:50 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/27/03 19:37, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:11:37 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/27/03 19:10, Bill Davidson wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got an Oracle (9i, if that matters) problem. i need to essentially copy all the data from a single column (call it a) in a table into a different column (call it b) in the same table. both a and b are the same datatype, and b is currently empty. i've tried the following, but it fails: insert into table_foo (b) values ((select a from table_foo)); i think the problem is that its attempting to insert all the rows from a into a single row of b. i just don't know how to work around this. anyone have any ideas or suggestions? thanks! How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL I was just about to correct that post. INSERT creates a new row. It sounds like you need to UPDATE. I don't know how to to update multiple rows with different data. Sorry. why would i want to update? there's nothing in b yet to update, which is why i thought inserting was the way to get the data in there. INSERT inserts rows, not columns. If you INSERT like you tried you'll get new rows with only column b filled with data. That won't even work if you try unless all the other fields are optional (which would be highly irregular, to say the very least). I don't have a lot of experience with SQL, just from college, where I'm in my final year, so I can't help you much more than that. Bill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: how to direct select output to insert input
On 03/27/03 20:09, Bill Davidson wrote: How about: insert into table_foo (b) select a from table_foo; ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL I was just about to correct that post. INSERT creates a new row. It sounds like you need to UPDATE. I don't know how to to update multiple rows with different data. Sorry. why would i want to update? there's nothing in b yet to update, which is why i thought inserting was the way to get the data in there. INSERT inserts rows, not columns. If you INSERT like you tried you'll get new rows with only column b filled with data. That won't even work if you try unless all the other fields are optional (which would be highly irregular, to say the very least). I don't have a lot of experience with SQL, just from college, where I'm in my final year, so I can't help you much more than that. but all i want is to insert data into a single column, b. the other columns in table_foo are already populated. oh, well, thanks for your help anyway. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:10pm up 18 days, 20:40, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.21, 0.14 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
I've looked at them as well. Samsung and Sony have some that are pretty good, but still have problems w/text. Graphics are great. And for $1200 for these models I'll stick with a crt for now. The best ones I've seen are 19-20 inch models on a MAC. Very good even in text work. Exceed anything I've seen on Intel boxes. But again price is an issue. Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting back on topic: I've been looking (i.e. staring) at LCD's at Best Buy etc. I'm just not impressed with the clarity of the characters. I guess they are intended for people who like graphics, but for text work, a $120 17 CRT has a sharper text display than a $800 LCD of equivalent size. Of course, I have not seen a Sharp brand LCD. These are supposed to be the ultimate LCD's. Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think LCD's are the ultimate for space savings and easy portability, but you are 100% right: the text quality is nothing to write home about. Even the ViewSonic LCD unit is not the equal of a ViewSonic monitor. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
