strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread dep
greets, folks!

this one is kind of weird. i have a cd, burned by a friend, containing 
data in mbox format that i really need to get to.

i can open the cd in, say, midnight commander, and can view the files, 
no problem. but if i try to copy those files to the hard drive, i get 
an input/output problem error.

any idea what in the world this might be about?

tia.
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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, dep wrote:
 greets, folks!

 this one is kind of weird. i have a cd, burned by a friend, containing
 data in mbox format that i really need to get to.

 i can open the cd in, say, midnight commander, and can view the files,
 no problem. but if i try to copy those files to the hard drive, i get
 an input/output problem error.

 any idea what in the world this might be about?

A bad CD, or failing HW.  Something is failing when attempting to read or
write the data.  How are you copying the data?  If not with the command
line, then i'd suggest trying that, and checking dmesg or messages for
useful errors.

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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread dep
quoth Net Llama!:

| A bad CD, or failing HW.  Something is failing when attempting to
| read or write the data.  How are you copying the data?  If not with
| the command line, then i'd suggest trying that, and checking dmesg or
| messages for useful errors.

it says, at the prompt, input/output error. the drive is recognized at 
boot, no problem, mounts uneventfully, and, as i said, the data seem 
entirely viewable. cd was burned iso9660 with joliet extensions, which 
module i have and which seems to work properly -- i do get the full 
long filenames, which is what joliet does.
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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, dep wrote:
 quoth Net Llama!:

 | A bad CD, or failing HW.  Something is failing when attempting to
 | read or write the data.  How are you copying the data?  If not with
 | the command line, then i'd suggest trying that, and checking dmesg or
 | messages for useful errors.

 it says, at the prompt, input/output error. the drive is recognized at
 boot, no problem, mounts uneventfully, and, as i said, the data seem
 entirely viewable. cd was burned iso9660 with joliet extensions, which
 module i have and which seems to work properly -- i do get the full
 long filenames, which is what joliet does.

The filesystem type, and the module being used isn't really relevant to
the problem you're reporting.  Does this happen with any CD, or just that
one?  If its just that one, i'd suggest attempting to mount it in a
different box to see if the behavior changes.  Also, you should check
dmesg and/or messages for additional errors.  You can also try using the
-v switch with cp for additional verbosity.


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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
Is your cd reader happy with other CDs burned by the burner? What speed was
it burned at? Not-so-very-old CD readers can have trouble reading CDs burned
'fast' on some other burner.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:40:13 -0400
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 greets, folks!
 
 this one is kind of weird. i have a cd, burned by a friend, containing 
 data in mbox format that i really need to get to.
 
 i can open the cd in, say, midnight commander, and can view the files, 
 no problem. but if i try to copy those files to the hard drive, i get 
 an input/output problem error.
 
 any idea what in the world this might be about?


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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread Mike Reinehr
Following up on what Net Llama  Roger have said, what type of CD is it, CD-R 
or CD-R/W? Have you noticed your CD drive laboring to read the CD, i.e., 
seeming to thrash and then failing? I have a CD reader that is only about a 
year or so old, which can not read CD-R/W's, no matter how slowing burned. It 
would labor for what seemed an eternity and eventually just give up. It had 
no problem with CD-R's, however. I replaced the drive with another, newer one 
of a different make and the problem went away.

mike

On Thursday 23 October 2003 08:50 am, you wrote:
 Is your cd reader happy with other CDs burned by the burner? What speed was
 it burned at? Not-so-very-old CD readers can have trouble reading CDs
 burned 'fast' on some other burner.

 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:40:13 -0400

 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  greets, folks!
 
  this one is kind of weird. i have a cd, burned by a friend, containing
  data in mbox format that i really need to get to.
 
  i can open the cd in, say, midnight commander, and can view the files,
  no problem. but if i try to copy those files to the hard drive, i get
  an input/output problem error.
 
  any idea what in the world this might be about?

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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread dep
quoth Roger Oberholtzer:
| Is your cd reader happy with other CDs burned by the burner? What
| speed was it burned at? Not-so-very-old CD readers can have trouble
| reading CDs burned 'fast' on some other burner.

problem is, this is the only cd i have that was burned on that machine, 
which was a mac.

i'm getting a little farther, oddly, with a pcmcia cd reader on the 
thinkpad running suse 7.2. still not entirely there, and much that is 
crucial is not making it over, but getting farther.

i never did anything to anger the universe. i do not know why the 
universe seems to set on ruining me.
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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread Mike Reinehr
The universe doesn't hate you -- it just doesn't care! ;-)

mike

On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:17 am, you wrote:
 i never did anything to anger the universe. i do not know why the
 universe seems to set on ruining me.

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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread dep
quoth Mike Reinehr:
| The universe doesn't hate you -- it just doesn't care! ;-)

that's always been pretty much my view -- but today there's abundant 
evidence that it is actually going out of its way to dig little 
potholes specifically for me.

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Re: strange cd problem

2003-10-23 Thread dep
quoth Mike Reinehr:
| Following up on what Net Llama  Roger have said, what type of CD is
| it, CD-R or CD-R/W? Have you noticed your CD drive laboring to read
| the CD, i.e., seeming to thrash and then failing? I have a CD reader
| that is only about a year or so old, which can not read CD-R/W's, no
| matter how slowing burned. It would labor for what seemed an eternity
| and eventually just give up. It had no problem with CD-R's, however.
| I replaced the drive with another, newer one of a different make and
| the problem went away.

it was a plain old cd-r; it was recorded at 24x (which itself is 
something that i worry about -- when i burn 'em i do it at 1x, because 
i think that burning cds is not the place to push it *at all*).

anyway, problem of getting data to hard drive is solved -- i had my 
friend .tgz the whole 150 megs of data and mail the result to me, which 
taught us that we have very forgiving mail servers . . .

and now i dive into it, hoping that i have paid today's dues. thanks to 
everyone for your help.
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Linux users' mailing list down?

2003-10-23 Thread Susan Macchia
For the last several weeks, when I try to access the mailing list (to change my
subscription from temp on, to off, or to look at the archives
(http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users), I get the following error:


Not Found
The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/linux-users was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.linux-sxs.org Port 80



I have tried several of the mirrors with the same or similar results.  Since I
can't read the list mail, or get the digest, could someone let me know what
gives?

TIA,

Susan

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Re: Linux users' mailing list down?

2003-10-23 Thread Andrew Mathews
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Susan Macchia wrote:
| For the last several weeks, when I try to access the mailing list (to change my
| subscription from temp on, to off, or to look at the archives
| (http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users), I get the following error:
|
|
| Not Found
| The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/linux-users was not found on this server.
|
| Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.linux-sxs.org Port 80
|
|
|
| I have tried several of the mirrors with the same or similar results.  Since I
| can't read the list mail, or get the digest, could someone let me know what
| gives?
|
| TIA,
|
| Susan
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database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang


in openlinux, rpm-3.0.6 uses /var/lib/rpm to store her databases.
what about rcs-5.7?
and does it apply to other distro?

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Re: Linux users' mailing list down? (fwd)

2003-10-23 Thread Net Llama!
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Susan Macchia wrote:
| For the last several weeks, when I try to access the mailing list (to change my
| subscription from temp on, to off, or to look at the archives
| (http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users), I get the following error:
|
|
| Not Found
| The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/linux-users was not found on this server.
|
| Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.linux-sxs.org Port 80
|
|
|
| I have tried several of the mirrors with the same or similar results.  Since I
| can't read the list mail, or get the digest, could someone let me know what
| gives?
|
| TIA,
|
| Susan
| Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

This is rather self explanatory, but you'll notice in the message footer above
that it's smtp.linux-sxs.org not linux-sxs.org. Try it, I bet you get a
different result.


Not when she fails to get any list mail, and can't access the archives.
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Re: database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, M.W. Chang wrote:
 in openlinux, rpm-3.0.6 uses /var/lib/rpm to store her databases.
 what about rcs-5.7?

what does rcs have to do with this?

 and does it apply to other distro?

Does what apply to other distros?

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Free space via C call?

2003-10-23 Thread Michael Hipp
Anyone know a simple call from c that will give the free space available 
on a volume (e.g. /dev/hda1)?

Thanks,
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Re: Free space via C call?

2003-10-23 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003, Michael Hipp wrote:
Anyone know a simple call from c that will give the free space available 
on a volume (e.g. /dev/hda1)?

I would probably parse the output of the appropriate call to ``df''.

FILE *dfpipe = popen(df, r); ...

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Re: broken links on website

2003-10-23 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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they are indeed. a casualty of splitting the services out to different boxes. 
I'll look into them as soon as I can

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Re: database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang


 in openlinux, rpm-3.0.6 uses /var/lib/rpm to store her databases.
 what about rcs-5.7?
 what does rcs have to do with this?

I want to know the global location of the database files used by rcs.
for backup purposes.


 and does it apply to other distro?
 Does what apply to other distros?

I meant whether all distro place the database of rcs in the same directory.


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Re: database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003, M.W. Chang wrote:


 in openlinux, rpm-3.0.6 uses /var/lib/rpm to store her databases.
 what about rcs-5.7?
 what does rcs have to do with this?

I want to know the global location of the database files used by rcs.
for backup purposes.

RCS doesn't use central databases, but an RCS directory under each
directory where RCS is used.  CVS uses one or more CVSROOT directories.
The CVSROOT for any directory containing files under CVS control are in the
CVS/Root file.

You can determine the location of the RPM database with the command:

rpm --eval '%{_dbpath}'

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Re: database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang


that shoudl be covered when I backup /home/*

 RCS doesn't use central databases, but an RCS directory under each
 directory where RCS is used.  

where is the CVSROOT? what did you mean by one or more?

 CVS uses one or more CVSROOT directories.
 The CVSROOT for any directory containing files under CVS control are in the
 CVS/Root file.

nice tip. thanks

 You can determine the location of the RPM database with the command:
   rpm --eval '%{_dbpath}'

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Re: Free space via C call?

2003-10-23 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:20, Michael Hipp wrote:
 Anyone know a simple call from c that will give the free space available 
 on a volume (e.g. /dev/hda1)?

I use the following in a program. It wants to know about free space on
the disk where a data file is, as that is what we are interested in. It
should be enough to get you started. It works on SVR4/5 and Linux. The
comments are just what was there.

int DiskFreeSpace()
{
 struct statvfs fsbuf;

 // We use the name of the .set file, which always exists, and is
 // always on the same file system as all the other files created.
 // As the set file is not open, we use statvfs() to find out about
 // the file system on which the set file is being written.

 if (statvfs(set_name, fsbuf) == ISERROR) return(0);

 // We use f_bavail to determine how many blocks are available.
 // f_bavail tells the # of free blocks available to non-superusers.
 //
 // As we want to return kilobytes free, f_bavail is divided by
 // f_frsize, which is the fndamental block size. This may be more
 // or less than 1024. As we want to stick with integer math, we do
 // a test for this so we can perform proper math.

 if (fsbuf.f_frsize  1024) {

return(fsbuf.f_bavail / (1024 / fsbuf.f_frsize));

 } else {

return(fsbuf.f_bavail * (fsbuf.f_frsize / 1024));
 }
}


 
 Thanks,
 Michael
 
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How to check the status of giving duration

2003-10-23 Thread Swapana Ghosh
Hi 

   The question is really silly though to all of you but i don't know how
to see so asking..

   *pine* has been called from different terminals.. I want from which
terminal/userid/ip address pine has been called during the duration i will
supply...

   PS will give you the current status but the status what i want that is
of yesterday's.

Any hints will be appreciated..

Thanks

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the irc channel

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang


server down? or is it my fault?

??? Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.openprojects.net [refnum 82]
??? Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.openprojects.net: No such
  file or directory
??? Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.openprojects.net [refnum 82]
??? Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.openprojects.net: No such
  file or directory
??? Use /Server to connect to a server
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where is the Compiling gcc step

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang



I could no longer find it where is it now?

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is the notes accessible from the sidebar on the webpage? I culdn't quite
find it...

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 Is there a howto or other easy to follow instructions for linux for
 installing gcc?
 
 http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/utils/gcc_notes


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Re: Linux users' mailing list down? SOLVED!

2003-10-23 Thread Susan Macchia
The urlsin the web pages don't work, so the smtp... address worked fine! 
Thanks for responding!

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Re: database of rcs and rpm

2003-10-23 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, M.W. Chang wrote:
 that shoudl be covered when I backup /home/*

  RCS doesn't use central databases, but an RCS directory under each
  directory where RCS is used.

 where is the CVSROOT? what did you mean by one or more?

Depends on how you set up the repository.

I still don't understand what rcs has to do with rpm, other than them both
starting with the letter r.


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AOL fixes the Windows Messenger Service popup spam problem

2003-10-23 Thread Richard M. Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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After more than a year of inaction on Microsoft's part, AOL has stepped up
to the plate to fix the problem of pop-up spams from the Windows Messenger
Service for its Internet customers.  The Windows Messenger Service also
became a much bigger problem recently with the discovery of a buffer
overflow error in the service leaving Windows XP users open to their
computers being hijacked from outsiders (http://tinyurl.com/r2j3).

This move by AOL will surely be controversial.  However, a better question
to be asking is why did Microsoft foist this annoying and buggy feature on
home computer users in the first place with the release of Windows XP.

For non-AOL users, here is a free utility for turning off and on the Windows
Messenger Service:

   http://grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

Richard M. Smith
http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com



http://tinyurl.com/s3f7

AOL Quietly Combats Pop-Up Spam Messages
By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer

NEW YORK - Even more annoying than junk e-mail are all the spam messages
that pop up through a little-used feature in Windows. As part of its
spam-fighting efforts, America Online has been turning off that feature for
its customers without telling them.

AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein said the feedback has been all positive, and
he knows of no complaints to AOL call centers about side effects on other
applications that may need that feature.

Nonetheless, AOL's action worries some security experts who were told about
it by The Associated Press.

They are trying to do the right thing ... but you sort of feel dirty after
you hear it, said Bruce Schneier, chief technology officer for Counterpane
Internet Security Inc. It's a very dangerous precedent in having companies
go into your computer and turn things on and off.

From there, he added, it's easy to turn off competitors' services.

Pop-up spam differs from pop-up ads in that no Web browser or Web site visit
is required. Instead, these ads take advantage of a messaging function built
into many Windows operating systems.

The function, generally enabled automatically when computers are shipped,
was designed for computer network technicians to, for instance, warn people
on their systems of a planned shutdown. Some applications also notify users
of such actions as a network printer finishing a task.

About a year ago, spammers figured out that they, too, could exploit it,
making ads automatically appear on users' screens at any time.

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test message

2003-10-23 Thread Keith Morse

Please ignore.
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OT test message

2003-10-23 Thread Keith Morse

Sorry guys/gals.  Should be the last one for whitelist testing.


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Re: broken links on website

2003-10-23 Thread Keith Morse
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

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 Keith Morse wrote:
  Just a note to the esteemed team of editors, I was in the process of
  referring another person to the list and noticed that the links to
  community forums are broken.
 
 they are indeed. a casualty of splitting the services out to different boxes. 
 I'll look into them as soon as I can

Is there a better mail address for things like this or is the list 
appropriate?

 
 if you wanted to get him to the mail lists, use:
 http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/lists/


Thanks, I had done that prior to sending him the link.

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Re: Free space via C call?

2003-10-23 Thread Michael Hipp
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I use the following in a program. It wants to know about free space on
the disk where a data file is, as that is what we are interested in. It
should be enough to get you started. It works on SVR4/5 and Linux. The
comments are just what was there.
int DiskFreeSpace()
{
 struct statvfs fsbuf;
 // We use the name of the .set file, which always exists, and is
 // always on the same file system as all the other files created.
 // As the set file is not open, we use statvfs() to find out about
 // the file system on which the set file is being written.
 if (statvfs(set_name, fsbuf) == ISERROR) return(0);


Thanks, Roger. I believe that's exactly what I was looking for. Now to 
see if I can compile it ...

Wonder why there is no man page on statvfs? Looks like I have a .h file.

Michael

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Re: test message

2003-10-23 Thread burns
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 17:35, Keith Morse wrote:
 Please ignore.

Speak louder, I'm ignoring you.

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Re: Free space via C call?

2003-10-23 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:53, Michael Hipp wrote:
 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  I use the following in a program. It wants to know about free space on
  the disk where a data file is, as that is what we are interested in. It
  should be enough to get you started. It works on SVR4/5 and Linux. The
  comments are just what was there.
  
  int DiskFreeSpace()
  {
   struct statvfs fsbuf;
  
   // We use the name of the .set file, which always exists, and is
   // always on the same file system as all the other files created.
   // As the set file is not open, we use statvfs() to find out about
   // the file system on which the set file is being written.
  
   if (statvfs(set_name, fsbuf) == ISERROR) return(0);
 
 
 Thanks, Roger. I believe that's exactly what I was looking for. Now to 
 see if I can compile it ...
 
 Wonder why there is no man page on statvfs? Looks like I have a .h file.

Isn't there? I have one. Now attached.

 
 Michael
 
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Re: where is the Compiling gcc step

2003-10-23 Thread James McDonald


M.W. Chang wrote:


I could no longer find it where is it now?
This is an upgrade sxs by doug does this help?

http://sxs.gotdns.org/upgrading/gcc.html

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Tuning Network Connections in Linux

2003-10-23 Thread Simper, Brian D

I am working with a server that will act as a firewall so it will, of
course, see a lot of traffic.  What is the procedure for tuning Red Hat
Linux 7.3 or 9.0 to increase the number of network connections the OS
can accept?  Is there a way to see the setting?  Are there any general
tuning that any of you have seen that might help?

Thanks,

Brian

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Re: Tuning Network Connections in Linux

2003-10-23 Thread David A. Bandel
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:56:14 -0700
Simper, Brian D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I am working with a server that will act as a firewall so it will, of
 course, see a lot of traffic.  What is the procedure for tuning Red
 Hat Linux 7.3 or 9.0 to increase the number of network connections the
 OS can accept?  Is there a way to see the setting?  Are there any
 general tuning that any of you have seen that might help?
 

You might want to take a look down in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/, but about the
only thing that comes to mind would be ip_conntrack_max if you're using
iptables connection tracking.  Most of the rest should handle traffic up
to and including T-3 just fine.

Ciao,

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OpenOffice Hanging indent

2003-10-23 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
In MS Word they have a setting for a hanging indent which can be done 
either via the ruler at the top of the page or a dialog.  A hanging indent 
is where the lines after the firstt are indented by some amount.

For the life of me I can not find the equivalent in OpenOffice 1.1.  I've 
been all over the toolbars, dialogs, etc. and can't find it.  The ruler has 
the triangles for adjusting margins but I can't make it work for the 
indents.  I know it's something simple I'm missing or doing wrong.  Any 
help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: test message

2003-10-23 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Keith Morse:
 
 Please ignore.

Pardon me? Did you say something? No? I didn't think so.

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Re: OpenOffice Hanging indent

2003-10-23 Thread Ralph Sanford
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 20:09, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
 In MS Word they have a setting for a hanging indent which can be done 
 either via the ruler at the top of the page or a dialog.  A hanging indent 
 is where the lines after the firstt are indented by some amount.
 
 For the life of me I can not find the equivalent in OpenOffice 1.1.  I've 
 been all over the toolbars, dialogs, etc. and can't find it.  The ruler has 
 the triangles for adjusting margins but I can't make it work for the 
 indents.  I know it's something simple I'm missing or doing wrong.  Any 
 help is greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks.

I am using the evaluation version of StarOffice 7, so I suspect this
will work for OpenOffice 1.1 as well.

Graphically you can use the adjusting triangles. The top triangle (the
first line of your paragraph stays at the margin) and the lower triangle
(all lines after the first line) is moved away from the margin to
produce your hanging indent.  You should be able to select all the
paragraphs that you want to make this adjustment for, or, set your first
paragraph as described and each new paragraph you type should follow
this format.

Looking at the Format/Paragraph/IndentsSpacing menu item it is not as
obviously apparent.  The Indent Before Text should be set to whatever
hanging indent you want i.e. 0.50.  Then the Indent First Line is
neutralized by using a negative indent i.e. -0.50.  

There you have it, HTH.


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Re: test message

2003-10-23 Thread dep
quoth Kurt Wall:
| Quoth Keith Morse:
|  Please ignore.
|
| Pardon me? Did you say something? No? I didn't think so.

hey. cut him a break. he's probably married.
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Re: test message

2003-10-23 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:08:14 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 quoth Kurt Wall:
 | Quoth Keith Morse:
 |  Please ignore.
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 | Pardon me? Did you say something? No? I didn't think so.
 
 hey. cut him a break. he's probably married.
 -- 
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 Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever.

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BarbieOS anyone?

2003-10-23 Thread Collins Richey
Ok, who'll be first to try BarbieOS 1.0?  It's debian based; if it's named
gnu/barbie, I'll puke.

http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003102400226NWCY

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Re: AOL fixes the Windows Messenger Service popup spam problem

2003-10-23 Thread M.W. Chang


you only need to reach the control panel - msn messenger, and turn the
whole thing off. there shouldn't be any need for a special tool.

 For non-AOL users, here is a free utility for turning off and on the Windows
 Messenger Service:
 
http://grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

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