Re: this year's PGP key
Doug: How does this work? I am using GPG on my system, and have a key. What I am wondering is how do you manage keys from others. For example, let's say that you and I were exchanging email frequently, and we wanted to exchange mail that needed encryption, validation, etc. Do you have a specific directory you keep all PGP keys in, and then reference that directory when decrypting a message from someone whose key you have? Thanks, Scott - a newbie to encrypted email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
my printer may have died
Help: I went to print to my trusty HP laser jet iii and it stopped responding. I am not sure if I have sent it some weird command that makes it not talk to my system any more (caldera 3.1) but it has printed fine for the past several months. Now, neither Windows nor Linux will print to it. How do I test it to see if the communication is there? Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
persistent new kernel woes
I have pestered the list about this, but I'd really like to get my kernel upgrade working with 2.4.20 from 2.4.2. If anyone on the list would oblige me in a short real time discussion, using ICQ; 12212330 or Yahoo: sanchiro12 Thanks for any help, Scott p.s. What I am hoping can happen is that I can get help identifying exactly what hardware I have, and to see what modules are loading at boot time, and then to review and list what I need to specifically compile in to the new kernel. Also, hoping to review my /var/log/messages to see what clues it can provide. I appreciate your help Lonni, and the help of others..I just think this would happen much more efficiently in a real time conversation. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Compile issues
Lonni: Per your request for clarity I found some information that might help you and the others help me, from /var/log/messages: Jan 2 17:11:57 scott modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 Jan 2 17:20:03 scott syslogd 1.4-0: restart. Jan 2 17:20:05 scott kernel: klogd 1.4-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jan 2 17:20:05 scott kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: Cannot find map file. Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: Loaded 7 symbols from 1 module. Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-W4L020103 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 Thu Jan 2 16:23:29 MST 2003 Here's info on my sound card: Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: isapnp: SB audio device quirk - increasing port range Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: isapnp: Card 'Creative ViBRA16C PnP' Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug Play card detected total XFS enabled: Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: SGI XFS snapshot 2.4.20-2002-11-29_01:21_UTC with ACLs, quota, no debug enabled My netcard detected: Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre12 (Aug 9, 2002) Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:0c.0 Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: tulip0: no phy info, aborting mtable build Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: eth0: Macronix 98715 PMAC rev 32 at 0x6800, 00:80:AD:3B:FF:43, IRQ 9. This is where I think my HP card is failing to initialize for the SCSI adapter to ScanJet 4c scanner: Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 Jan 2 17:20:06 scott kernel: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 What does this mean: Jan 2 17:20:32 scott modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 For what it's worth, maybe these can shed some light on my 2.4.20 run difficulties. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Compile issues
Jim: To be honest, I am certain I don't have the System.map copied over correctly. Here's what I did after the last compile run: cp /linux-2.4.20/System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.20. That's probably not the right thing to do, but it's what I tried. I am way new at all this, so I do appreciate your patience with me. 1) Are you sure you coppied the right System.map into /boot? You are still getting errors about that I checked the modules.conf file, and found no reference there to 'char major 81' As well, I did NOT select video for linux when running make menuconfig. 2) char major 81 is for /dev/video and a couple other things.. check devices.txt in the Doc's.. it has nothing to do with anything other than an alias in modules.conf.. assuming you have no video devices. How do I modprobe my SCSI host adapter? I don't even know what the adapter is called, let alone how to probe it. 3) What happens if you modprobe your SCSI host adapter from the command line. What are the errors? Thank you for any help you can give this struggling newbie. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
I found the new System.map in my /kernel/linux-2.4.20 folder and copied it to my /boot folder er...directory (please no flames, it seems like a folder to me) and tried booting again. It still was problematic. No NIC recognition, no sound. I guess what I need to do now is go back and run 'make menuconfig' and make sure I don't include SMP and retry it all. Then why did you compile it for SMP? Hmm I am learning. I never knew I had to copy the System.map over to the /boot directory. I will do that now and test and see what happens. Its not a big deal, and as best as i can tell, the only problem is that harmless error. I am sure there are plenty of issues to resolve in this small slice of the boot message. Other than the fact that you failed to copy over the new System.map to /boot/System.map-2.4.20, it looks ok. That's hardly a show-stopper. I'm assuming that you haev an SMP box, since you built an SMP kernel. Is this with the XFS patch? Yes, I ran the XFS patch. I'll see if I can find the code that shows that engaging. I know when I ran make menuconfig that XFS was finally listed under filesystems as an option. Well, the easiest way to test is to format a filesystem as XFS, and mount it. Once I get past the other issues, I'll do some reading on how to work with XFS and formatting a new file system and then mounting it. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
At the risk of sounding really stupid, here are more questions to your questions: On Thursday 02 January 2003 07:37, you wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Bonez wrote: I found the new System.map in my /kernel/linux-2.4.20 folder and copied it to my /boot folder er...directory (please no flames, it seems like a folder to me) and tried booting again. It still was problematic. No NIC recognition, no sound. I guess what I need to do now is go back and run 'make menuconfig' and make sure I don't include SMP and retry it all. Did you compile support for your NIC sound card? Its not going to compile itself. I know that my current working configuration under 2.4.2 uses the Tulip driver. When I boot up the new kernel it indicates that it is using or trying to use the Tulip driver, except that everything is marked under the NIC configuration screen with big red X to indicate it is NOT LOADED. I believe that's the issue, that those modules or drivers are not loading as they should at boot time. How do I dig through and find where it is failing? Would /var/log/messages provide a clue? I will gladly study through those messages if the key lies in there. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
Lonni: Here's a file of output from running 'lsmod' on my system. I hope this helps. In the meantime I am going back to recompile my hardware, into this new kernel. I haven't the foggiest notion as to which options to choose, but I know I do NOT need SMP in the kernel. Did you compile support for your NIC sound card? Its not going to compile itself. I know that my current working configuration under 2.4.2 uses the Tulip driver. When I boot up the new kernel it indicates that it is using or trying to use the Tulip driver, except that everything is marked under the NIC configuration screen with big red X to indicate it is NOT LOADED. I have no idea what you're talking about here. I don't use a GUI to admin my boxes. Your 2.4.2 configuration is 100% irrelevant. Did you compile support for your NIC sound card in 2.4.20? That is the only thing that matters right now. I am compiling it as I type this to you. Are the modules loaded? Look at the output from lsmod. You could also look in your messages log for errors, but if you didn't compile support for your hardware in 2.4.20 then that's the source of the problem. I am not sure how to tell if they are loaded or not. Here's the file though. Scott Module Size Used by ide-cd 25712 0 (autoclean) cdrom 26240 0 (autoclean) [ide-cd] Mvnetd 9572 1 (unused) Mvnet 55648 0 [Mvnetd] Mvnetint 320 0 (unused) Mvw 4628 1 (unused) Mvmouse 776 1 (unused) Mvkbd928 1 (unused) Mvgic 3224 0 (unused) Mvdsp976 1 (unused) Mserial 6740 0 (unused) Mmpip 7124 2 (unused) Mmerge134388 0 [Mvnetd Mvnet Mvw Mvmouse Mvkbd Mvgic Mvdsp Mserial Mmpip] mki-adapter21232 0 [Mvnetd Mvnet Mvnetint Mvw Mvmouse Mvkbd Mvgic Mvdsp Mserial Mmpip Mmerge] lp 4976 1 (autoclean) nfs71488 1 (autoclean) lockd 48112 1 (autoclean) [nfs] sunrpc 59648 1 (autoclean) [nfs lockd] af_packet 8816 1 (autoclean) nls_iso8859-1 2832 7 (autoclean) nls_cp437 4352 7 (autoclean) sd_mod 10592 1 (autoclean) vfat8432 7 (autoclean) fat29056 0 (autoclean) [vfat] usbmouse1680 0 (autoclean) (unused) usbkbd 2720 0 (autoclean) (unused) usb-storage21264 1 (autoclean) scsi_mod 85728 2 (autoclean) [sd_mod usb-storage] printer 4832 0 (autoclean) (unused) hid10848 0 (autoclean) (unused) input 3104 0 (autoclean) [usbmouse usbkbd hid] bluetooth 17104 0 (autoclean) (unused) audio 35936 0 (autoclean) (unused) parport_pc 16816 1 parport22496 1 [lp parport_pc] acm 4896 0 (autoclean) (unused) agpgart21312 0 (unused) tulip 33184 1 usb-uhci 22128 0 (unused) usbcore46480 1 [usbmouse usbkbd usb-storage printer hid bluetooth audio acm usb-uhci] sb 7440 1 sb_lib 32768 0 [sb] uart401 6000 0 [sb_lib] isa-pnp26480 0 [sb] sound 52688 1 [sb_lib uart401] soundcore 3408 5 [audio sb_lib sound] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
Sorry about attaching instead of just pasting the data here. The lsmod output is from my current system, the 2.4.2 kernel. I will get the output next time I boot up the 2.4.20 kernel. I figured you'd want to see what my current system showed running or loaded. No, I don't have any bluetooth anything. This kernel came compiled with the features running from the distro. I have not altered to run Bluetooth. I am guessing my system would run faster and better if I didn't have half the modules loading up and running. I guess this is part of the learning as I grind through all this. My soundcard is a Soundblaster Awe 64 and the NIC is (I am reading this from the box) CNet Pro120 10/100 Mbps PCI FastEthernet adapter card. The URL to this NIC is www.cnet.com.tw. When I am in menuconfig I never did see anything listing a tulip module. Is it going to be there explicitly or will it be called something different? Scott p.s. If this all didn't matter to me so much, I wouldn't bother you, but I figure you're the best to help me! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
Kurt: I know a good optometrist for you. I did write 266, but left out that seemingly all important mhz suffix. Sorry about that. Yes, it's a pentium II 266 processor. scott On Tuesday 31 December 2002 18:44, you wrote: Feigning erudition, Bonez wrote: % No SMP box here..just a single old and slow but reliable Intel 266 processor. Surely not a *286*? Linux won't run on a 286 because it doesn't have memory paging hardware. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
My compile adventure
For what it's worth, I am going to post messages from my /var/log/messages where I boot up my 2.4.20 kernel, in hopes someone can decipher it or help me to decipher it. Dec 30 17:33:56 scott syslogd 1.4-0: restart. Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: klogd 1.4-0, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: Cannot find map file. Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: No module symbols loaded. Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-w4l301202 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 30 15:47:03 MST 2002 Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: Dec 30 17:33:58 scott kernel: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) I am sure there are plenty of issues to resolve in this small slice of the boot message. Thanks for any help, Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My compile adventure
No SMP box here..just a single old and slow but reliable Intel 266 processor. Hmm I am learning. I never knew I had to copy the System.map over to the /boot directory. I will do that now and test and see what happens. I am sure there are plenty of issues to resolve in this small slice of the boot message. Other than the fact that you failed to copy over the new System.map to /boot/System.map-2.4.20, it looks ok. That's hardly a show-stopper. I'm assuming that you haev an SMP box, since you built an SMP kernel. Is this with the XFS patch? Yes, I ran the XFS patch. I'll see if I can find the code that shows that engaging. I know when I ran make menuconfig that XFS was finally listed under filesystems as an option. Bonez ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Maybe my kernel will work
I am struggling through a dilemma about how to get my USB palm cradle working with my system which runs on 2.4.2 kernel. It's from Caldera, 3.1, edesktop. I have a USB Iomega Zip drive plugged in to one of the available USB ports and I can read from and write to that drive without a problem. Knowing that, I would think that USB is indeed enabled in my 2.4.2 kernel and that my Palm cradle should be able to interact with my system as well. How would I go about testing the ports, to see that both the zip drive and USB cradle are visible, and then to get Kpilot or Jpilot set up to work with my Palm? Thanks for any help, Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maybe my kernel will work
I figured out how to write to the drive. I guess when I updated /etc/fstab before, I hadn't booted my system down to a level to get it to reread the changes. I am sure there is a way to accomplish this, to 'source it' or something. Please enlighten me if this is an option. I'd be quite surprised if anything worked on that kernel. Its a blackhole of bugs instabilities, and i donit' know that it ever had much in the way of decent USB functionality. Oh, such confidence. Now I'll worry myself silly until I get it updated. Yes I was working on upgrading to the 2.4.20 kernel with XFS enabled. Here's what I have tried in the past and where i am with that project. I run Win4Lin to enable one persistent app for which I find no suitable linux analogue, yet. I have followed instructions from Netraverse on patching the 2.4.20 kernel source files, and then compiling and trying to run that. I succeed in getting 2.4.20 to boot up and run, and it does run Win4Lin when it's booted up. However, my NIC, sound and some other things all fail upon boot, despite the new kernel using similar settings. I assume that during the make/make install process it looks at the settings of my current working system and carries those over to the new build. Without the NIC functionality, both my LAN and internet access are down. Thus I boot up and read the messages as they fly by, and then shut down and boot back into 2.4.2 which works, although not with new things like Palm synch and my ScanJet 4c that I need to get working. I downloaded a fresh archive of 2.4.20 from kernel.org and ran all the patching that I needed and that worked before, rendering NO FAILED HUNK notices. When I run the XFS patch file, there are many many failed hunk messages. This is what baffles me. I think I need to work the bugs out and get 2.4.20 working without including the XFS support first, resolving the failure of various modules and other items to load at boot time. Then I can compile in the XFS functions and move to that point. I welcome any assistance and am very very grateful for the list here, and being able to share my experience and learn from you all. If you need me to post .log files or want to point me to the files I need to examine to find out where the new kernel breaks when loading, please point the way. Thank You, Scott I thought you were trying to build a 2.4.20 XFS enabled kernel? Why not get that working, and then move onto the USB stuff? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maybe my kernel will work
Just so that I get this done correctly, what is the procedure to patch the kernel source with the XFS files, which files do I grab, and how is the patch applied? I ask only since there are several directories on the XFS site, with various versions, and some of the 'patch' files include no file extensions. Scott p.s. I will run my Win4Lin patches and get the kernel to that point, and then post the output log files from those patches. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Lonni: What have you found with ASUS that you do NOT like? Just curious, since I am thinking of building a new machine. Scott On Saturday 28 December 2002 10:24, you wrote: On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel either G). Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
printing problem
I have an HP iii printer attached to my system which is running caldera 2.4.2. Printing works, but often when printing from a linux app, a la OpenOffice, I select the US LETTER paper size, hit print and the OnLine light goes off, requiring me to hit the Continue button, which then motivates the printer to spit out the page. Often when I first open OpenOffice and create a new document, the default page size is A4. I wish I could make OO default instead to US Letter. Any suggestions on these questions? Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
XFS on 2.4.20 kernel?
Lonni: I am reading the SXS on migrating to XFS, and it notes that it will work with kernel versions up to 2.4.18. Working with 2.4.20, would I be safely assured that I could migrate such a system over to this kernel? Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
file system corruption -
This morning when I came in to work, I flipped on my monitor and found scary file corruption messages, suggesting I enter the root password or hit Ctrl-D to enter maintenance mode. I am trying to compile a new kernel to upgrade from 2.4.2 to 2.4.20. In running 'make menuconfig' I included the option of compiling reiserfs and other journaling file systems into the new kernel. At the point when I can successfully get the kernel to compile and then to run, how do I as a relative newbie, choose between the various journaling file systems? I am leaning toward running XFS as it sounds most stable and reliable, but I am unsure. Any enlightenment is appreciated. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
kernel compiling
I need some input on my first attempt at compiling a new kernel. I am running Caldera's 2.4.2 kernel underlying desktop 3.1. i want to upgrade my kernel to 2.4.19, to get built in USB support so that I can synch my Palm m505, as well as to get the added support of other improvements. Here's what i have tried and which did not work, yet. I downloaded the kernel archive from kernel.org to my $HOME/down/kernel_2.4.19 folder. There, I unpacked it and then ran two patches in that folder, to enable Win4Lin to run on the kernel. After that I ran 'make menuconfig' which seemed to work without any reported errors. When I run 'make dep' though, I get several errors. In all this, and trying it (compiling) a couple times, and getting to the 'make modules' step, the guidelines I was using said Now, su to root, and I realized that I had compiled everything from make dep forward as root, and it worked just fine, but i realize that likely will cause problems running under that kernel as just a user, so when I go back and compile it as user , it fails with various errors. Should I be compiling and doing all this in a different folder, i.e., a branch off of /usr/src/ such as /usr/src/linux_2.4.19? Would that make a difference? Thanks for any help with this, Scott p.s. my system is a pentium II 266 mhz clone ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Spam Rejection
Kurt: If you have covered this, or if it's covered elsewhere, please point me in that direction. How can I set up spam rejection on my machine? I am running Caldera 3.1 workstation 2.4.2. Thanks for any help, Doc On Friday 18 October 2002 17:45, you wrote: Good grief, ya gotta love spam rejection measures. Since June 2 at 6:06 am UTC, my relatively, Sendmail alone has rejected 4260 mail messages here at KurtWerks, and I don't even have a high traffic mail hub. The numbers must be mind boggling at really busy joints Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Questions hindering my use of Linux
Dear Group: I have a few questions I am trying to resolve, in my use of linux. First, for those curious, I am running Caldera Open Linux Workstation 3.1, on a Pentium II machine, with 296mb ram. Here are my problems: When rebooting, I end up with a system frozen with the following as the last line: Sending all processes the TERM signal. How do I get around this, so that my system will in fact shut down and then reboot? more to come ... Bonez ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Modprobe: can't find module
Sorry Kurt, but no Red Hat here. I am running Caldera 3.1 (kernel 2.4.2). Look at the output of dmesg (dmesg | less). That will give you more clues about what's going wrong. There should also be useful information in /var/log/messages. Thanks. I took a look at messages. Have to get another pair of glasses and some eye drops now, for the tearing and eyestrain. I am learning this is a game of investigation, lots of reading, fumbling at the keyboard and reinstallation if things really get screwed up. Here's my latest new question. I can't seem to get my .profile setup right to allow QT 3.0.3 to install. Despite telling it that the QTDIR variable resides in /var/local/qt, echo $QTDIR responds with /var/lib/qt2. I am off to read a bunch more. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Toast, Take 2
Having compiled a downloaded source for 2.4.18, I proceeded to update my bzImage and System.map files in /boot. Since I am using GRUB as my bootloader, I went in and created a new enter for the new 2.4.18 kernel, to try booting with it. Now, where I had sound, networking to the internet, email, web browsing etc., when I boot up to my original 2.4.2 configuration, the sound, access to the net, is all gone, plus I get multiple failure notices as the various modules and daemons load at boot time. How can I get things back to the way they were before, so that I can boot up and continue working on my upgrade? In my effort to upgrade I followed the listing found at www.linuxnewbie.org, under configuration and compilation of new kernel. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
