Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Been there, done that, had (like you) the last laugh! Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:22 pm, Terence McCarthy wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Been there, done that, had (like you) the last laugh! Yeah, except they went broke and still owe me some money. That hidden linux partition led to their downfall, no doubt! g -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 08:11 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 10:36 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 08:11 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. True, perhaps; but a little harsh. People fear failure; and most have learned that Unix is too hard. I remember, as I shopped for my first computer, being told that DOS was too hard for normal people; and that I would never use the full power of the new Mac-Plus. A few years later, as Windows 3.1 and 3.11 came out, I heard the word Unix; but always in the context that it was too hard. Somewhere along the way, the thought that the command line was too hard became an assumed truth -- a mild, communal brainwashing, if you will. In a society where so much effort is made to make our world more convenient, it is not natural to challenge such truths -- just use Windows. It's as fair to think that IT professionals know better as it is to think that doctors don't abuse drugs, legislators always obey the law and CPA's never bounce checks. In the course of learning Linux I've come to the realization that many IS staff are just people with jobs. It's not the way I want it; but I can work with it. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 11:36, Collins Richey wrote: Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. Hey, that's me! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:28:19 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows is braindead. But you knew that. Today at work I had some postscript files in an e-mail I wanted to print. The e-mail was on Windows. Futzed around, couldn't find anything that would interpret PostScript. So I called our helpdesk. After a good bit of searching his answer was Adobe Distiller. I thanked him, googled, saw that ghostview/ghostscript was the recommended path, downloaded and installed and in 3 minutes was printing. Gad I detest Microsoft. Yeah, but some love it, especially those who don't have the time to devote to learning how to deal with linux, which does require a few brain cells. I have a friend who is putting together a fairly complex software package for hydrology and river bed research. He does all his work on Windows and even uses Gimp (yes, Virginia, there is GTK+ and Gimp for Windows!) for all his graphics work. The audience he is marketing his software to would have relatively little use for linux. You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. Then, there is the job of getting colleagues to use the computer. Since these are busy people who don't want to learn anything about computers, and they sort blame me for the digital stuff (which I had nothing to do with buying) I have to emphasize to them that they have to learn the fundalmentals of such things as PowerPoint and windows explorer, just like their children are using in high school. If I were trying to get them to learn to navigate linux, they would simply refuse on the grounds that I was a hobbyist wasting their time. This way, they have no excuse. So, I can use MS's monopoly against them. Thanks, Bill. That said, I will stick to linux for many needs. For example, yesterday I was hard at work reformatting about 50 documents in various formats (word, pdf, text). I had to convert word to text and then reformat the text and convert them to html which could be used by html2ps and finally converted to pdf with ps2pdf. If you want to see what I mean, just visit hammershome.com and look at the MorePDF link. With SO, wget (To download the 40 or so original documents off the web after ftp failed.), wvText, vi (you can edit all the documents at once), bash, and sed, and with about five xterminals open and an ftp link to my web page, I got the job done. For example, imagine searching 40 word documents at the same time for keywords. It's easy with wvText and grep! BTW, wvText with lynx installed did a BEAUTIFUL job converting word docs to plain text. The great part is, just one for command converts all of them at once. Joel On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:02:05PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:28:19 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows is braindead. But you knew that. Today at work I had some postscript files in an e-mail I wanted to print. The e-mail was on Windows. Futzed around, couldn't find anything that would interpret PostScript. So I called our helpdesk. After a good bit of searching his answer was Adobe Distiller. I thanked him, googled, saw that ghostview/ghostscript was the recommended path, downloaded and installed and in 3 minutes was printing. Gad I detest Microsoft. Yeah, but some love it, especially those who don't have the time to devote to learning how to deal with linux, which does require a few brain cells. I have a friend who is putting together a fairly complex software package for hydrology and river bed research. He does all his work on Windows and even uses Gimp (yes, Virginia, there is GTK+ and Gimp for Windows!) for all his graphics work. The audience he is marketing his software to would have relatively little use for linux. You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
List My new Linux user, the one that all of those windows confused him. Tonight I had to another problem on his network. I told him I would remove those windows so they would not bother him. Hell you will, I like that, it neat. What a difference a week makes. I do have a question, his network is dhcp from dls. On boot and sometime some other thing, he has a problem turning stuff off when he does not understand some hicup. but the net does not come up. I found that /etc/init.d/network start fixes the problem. Looks like it is not started in runlevel. Which rc.x starts the network properly. In Caldera I beleive it was 3 or 4, it has been a while I could have been mistaken here. Seems to be last of any biggies here. For him, he is moving pretty good from M$ to Suse 9.0 pro. Any suggestion for network startup place. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
