Re: Mandrake Doomed?
Then, beginning in mid-1999, we entered the technology bubble whereby several venture capitalists invested in MandrakeSoft. Their requirement was that we would accelerate the development of the company while leaving its management to an experienced staff of world-class managers. Their BIG ERROR! World Class Managers are akin to Educational Administrators. Neither have been in the trenches for over 20 years, if ever. If they get rid of 'em they may be able to climb out of their hole. Bob Andrew Mathews wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I should give money to Mandrake to bail out greedy speculators? I don't think so. It's bad enough I have to support my ex-wife. Kurt Ouch, I can relate. Guess I'm lucky. Got a pair of 'em, but no financial obligations. Funny, I *still* don't have any money though. -- Andrew Mathews - 9:40pm up 3 days, 4:39, 8 users, load average: 2.00, 1.77, 1.54 - Nice boy, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice. -- Foghorn Leghorn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- #!/bin/bash sayingnum=$(($RANDOM%3+1)) if sayingnum=1 echo number 1. fi if sayingnum=2 echo number 2. fi if sayingnum=2 echo number 3. fi ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
On 01/01/03 05:22, Bob Hemus wrote: Then, beginning in mid-1999, we entered the technology bubble whereby several venture capitalists invested in MandrakeSoft. Their requirement was that we would accelerate the development of the company while leaving its management to an experienced staff of world-class managers. Their BIG ERROR! World Class Managers are akin to Educational Administrators. Neither have been in the trenches for over 20 years, if ever. If they get rid of 'em they may be able to climb out of their hole. But therein lies the catch. Once the VC's own you, you can't get rid of their hand picked management. Its a deal with the devil. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:35pm up 18 days, 3:44, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.17, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
As I read it (though I don't have it before me) they did get rid of their devils and are well on the way out of the hole. Having just looked at Mandrake 9.0 from the viewpoint of a newbie looking for a way to make computing affordable for more of the community, I hope things go their way. Looks like a great distribution for the techy-challenged. IanS - Original Message - From: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2003 11:36 pm Subject: Re: Mandrake Doomed? On 01/01/03 05:22, Bob Hemus wrote: Then, beginning in mid-1999, we entered the technology bubble whereby several venture capitalists invested in MandrakeSoft. Their requirement was that we would accelerate the development of the company while leaving its management to an experienced staff of world-class managers. Their BIG ERROR! World Class Managers are akin to Educational Administrators. Neither have been in the trenches for over 20 years, if ever. If they get rid of 'em they may be able to climb out of their hole. But therein lies the catch. Once the VC's own you, you can't get rid of their hand picked management. Its a deal with the devil. -- ~ L. Friedman netllama@linux- sxs.orgLinux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:35pm up 18 days, 3:44, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.17, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux- sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
On Monday 30 December 2002 09:40 pm, you wrote: Feigning erudition, Ken Moffat wrote: % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 % % % I would hope they're not doomed. I feel they provide a valuable product. % I guess RedHat need some healthy competition in the rpm wars. I don't think it's RPM wars, but Red Hat certainly need competition. Kurt They're not really doomed. I've been a member of the Mandrake Club for about a year and a half. Mandrake has been singing this song for awhile. To raise money to go after the market they went public with over the counter stocks. Instead of selling the stocks they went the wallstreet route by selling warants to purchase shares to the rich and greedy. About the same time the . com market went south. The warrant holders finding that they weren't going to double their money and might have to actually buy the stock and hold it decided they wpould be good enough to sell us scruffy peasants to buy portion of their unexecuted warrants at the same price they would pay for them. Unfortunately, the scruffy peasants have enough smarts to realize that the hay day of the . com is over and the stock on today's market isn't worth what the warrant holders and speculators hoped it would be. So, Mandrake is still pushing to bail ouyt the ricjh and greedy instead of raising money for expansion. If they need the money all they have to do,is make the warrant holders execute their warrants when they are due. As far as the company itseld six months ago they got a two year contract from the French Government to replace the OS from the evil empire with on 240,000 government computers. That is quite a chunk of change even if it is in French Francs. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
Feigning erudition, Lee wrote: % % They're not really doomed. I've been a member of the Mandrake Club for % about a year and a half. Mandrake has been singing this song for awhile. To % raise money to go after the market they went public with over the counter % stocks. Instead of selling the stocks they went the wallstreet route by % selling warants to purchase shares to the rich and greedy. About the same % time the . com market went south. The warrant holders finding that they % weren't going to double their money and might have to actually buy the stock % and hold it decided they wpould be good enough to sell us scruffy peasants % to buy portion of their unexecuted warrants at the same price they would pay % for them. Unfortunately, the scruffy peasants have enough smarts to realize % that the hay day of the . com is over and the stock on today's market isn't % worth what the warrant holders and speculators hoped it would be. So, % Mandrake is still pushing to bail ouyt the ricjh and greedy instead of % raising money for expansion. If they need the money all they have to do,is % make the warrant holders execute their warrants when they are due. As far as % the company itseld six months ago they got a two year contract from the % French Government to replace the OS from the evil empire with on 240,000 % government computers. That is quite a chunk of change even if it is in French % Francs. So, I should give money to Mandrake to bail out greedy speculators? I don't think so. It's bad enough I have to support my ex-wife. Kurt -- Cynic, n.: One who looks through rose-colored glasses with a jaundiced eye. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I should give money to Mandrake to bail out greedy speculators? I don't think so. It's bad enough I have to support my ex-wife. Kurt Ouch, I can relate. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
On 12/31/02 20:34, Ken Moffat wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I should give money to Mandrake to bail out greedy speculators? I don't think so. It's bad enough I have to support my ex-wife. Kurt Ouch, I can relate. Feel free to send $$$ my way instead. I promise not to give it to the Mandrake folks :) -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:35pm up 17 days, 3:44, 2 users, load average: 1.71, 1.12, 0.68 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
Ken Moffat wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I should give money to Mandrake to bail out greedy speculators? I don't think so. It's bad enough I have to support my ex-wife. Kurt Ouch, I can relate. Guess I'm lucky. Got a pair of 'em, but no financial obligations. Funny, I *still* don't have any money though. -- Andrew Mathews - 9:40pm up 3 days, 4:39, 8 users, load average: 2.00, 1.77, 1.54 - Nice boy, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice. -- Foghorn Leghorn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 I would hope they're not doomed. I feel they provide a valuable product. I guess RedHat need some healthy competition in the rpm wars. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
It sounds like they made a big bet and lost. It just shows how hard it is to make money with linux. The great virtue of linux is that it saves money for users, but, by the same token, it doesn't put money into the pockets of linux software firms. At least not on the desktop. It is also a reminder of how small the linux world is. Four million dollars would save the day? Compare that to the cash flow of Microsoft. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
People have been prophasizing the end of Mandrake forever now, and they keep managing to eek out an existence. On 12/30/02 17:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 5:50pm up 16 days, 59 min, 2 users, load average: 1.07, 0.74, 0.60 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
On Monday 30 December 2002 05:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 A classic read. Anybody thinking of talking to a VC about getting help in expanding their business ought to read this. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
Feigning erudition, Ken Moffat wrote: % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 % % % I would hope they're not doomed. I feel they provide a valuable product. % I guess RedHat need some healthy competition in the rpm wars. I don't think it's RPM wars, but Red Hat certainly need competition. Kurt -- Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom: No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats -- approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
On 12/30/02 18:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feigning erudition, Ken Moffat wrote: % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 % % % I would hope they're not doomed. I feel they provide a valuable product. % I guess RedHat need some healthy competition in the rpm wars. I don't think it's RPM wars, but Red Hat certainly need competition. Isn't that what UnitedLinux is for? snicker -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:45pm up 16 days, 1:54, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.15, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
More like they got managers who didn't have a clue - they expanded expenses drastically and the revenue wasn't there. The VC people brought in profesional managers who don't have a clue except how to maximize their bonuses G! Joel Hammer wrote: It sounds like they made a big bet and lost. It just shows how hard it is to make money with linux. The great virtue of linux is that it saves money for users, but, by the same token, it doesn't put money into the pockets of linux software firms. At least not on the desktop. It is also a reminder of how small the linux world is. Four million dollars would save the day? Compare that to the cash flow of Microsoft. Joel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake Doomed?
Feigning erudition, Net Llama! wrote: % People have been prophasizing the end of Mandrake forever now, and they % keep managing to eek out an existence. Perhaps not much longer, though. Begletters for $4,000,000 don't seem to be a business model doomed to failure. Kurt -- Dying is a very dull, dreary affair. And my advice to you is to have nothing whatever to do with it. -- W. Somerset Maugham ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
