Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Mike Andrew

On Wednesday 08 August 2001 04:43, Richard Thompson wrote:
 I've been having a recurring problem accessing the internet on my eD2.4
 box.   I dial up and get a network connection just fine - only no data

[snip]

without knowing wich dialler you are using kppp? it's hard to go further.

you are _probably_ not setting the default route (or allowing the program you 
use, to do so). You have different ip numbers assigned to you depending on 
your login. The work account, is _probably_ a fixed one and you have 
hardwired the gateway, to it.

if you're using kppp (for instance)

setup-(account)-edit-Gateway assign ip address to gateway is first port 
of call.


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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:14:18 +1130
Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:

MA On Wednesday 08 August 2001 04:43, Richard Thompson wrote:
MA  I've been having a recurring problem accessing the internet on my
MA eD2.4
MA  box.   I dial up and get a network connection just fine - only no
MA data
MA 
MA [snip]
MA 
MA without knowing wich dialler you are using kppp? it's hard to go
MA further.
MA 
MA you are _probably_ not setting the default route (or allowing the
MA program you 
MA use, to do so). You have different ip numbers assigned to you
MA depending on 
MA your login. The work account, is _probably_ a fixed one and you have 
MA hardwired the gateway, to it.
MA 
MA if you're using kppp (for instance)
MA 
MA setup-(account)-edit-Gateway assign ip address to gateway is
MA first port 
MA of call.
==
Might also try editing /etc/resolv.conf (as root, of course).  Add the
lines:
search your isp
nameserver dns #
nameserver dns #

HTH,
Mike


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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Jerry McBride


Just to add my $.02 here...

I had a similar experience with an ISP here in New Jersey. The name is
SNIP.NET. Try as I may, I couldn't make a 
good data exchange with them to save my life. The modems would hand shake, the
tech at the ISP could see my 
pings, but  I wouldn't get anything from them. We tried a number of different
dial-ins, IP addresses, mask's, etc...
However they had their end set up, it wasn't linux or OS/2 friendly at all... I
dropped them like a hot potatoe.

I didn't want the chance of future problems with them... :')



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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Ian Marchak

Quoting Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:14:18 +1130
 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
 
SNIP
 MA 
 MA setup-(account)-edit-Gateway assign ip address to gateway is
 MA first port 
 MA of call.
 ==
 Might also try editing /etc/resolv.conf (as root, of course).  Add the
 lines:
 search your isp
 nameserver dns #
 nameserver dns #

IIRC, kppp will do the editing of resolv.conf automagically if it has the 
accounts set up properly.  Don't quote me though, I've been cableized for 
some time and I fear the finer points of ppp are fading to a dark corner of my 
cranium.

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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Richard Thompson

Thanks for the reply - a little more information.  I use kppp.  Both accounts are 
dynamically
assigned dial-up accounts.  This particular machine is a workstation and is connected 
via modem
to the ISP w/o an intermediary device.  I even rebooted the machine and came back to 
the same
locked up IP address for the one account, but a perfectly fine random address for 
the other
(logs available on request).  The wierdness I describe occurs sporadically, once or 
twice a
week, usually after business hours, often on the weekend.  The only never failing 
similarity are
the IP addresses I quoted.  Is there anything magical about either of the addresses?

Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: local  IP address 216.47.27.128
Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: remote IP address 216.47.25.5

I live in a small town and I'm a little paranoid that local good old boys at the telco 
are
looking over people's shoulders to get a jump on the gossip circuit.  This problem has 
just been
too regular and the locked up addresses too perfectly consistant for too long to 
ignore any
longer.  Thanks again for responding.

- Rich Thompson

Mike Andrew wrote:

 On Wednesday 08 August 2001 04:43, Richard Thompson wrote:
  I've been having a recurring problem accessing the internet on my eD2.4
  box.   I dial up and get a network connection just fine - only no data

 [snip]

 without knowing wich dialler you are using kppp? it's hard to go further.

 you are _probably_ not setting the default route (or allowing the program you
 use, to do so). You have different ip numbers assigned to you depending on
 your login. The work account, is _probably_ a fixed one and you have
 hardwired the gateway, to it.

 if you're using kppp (for instance)

 setup-(account)-edit-Gateway assign ip address to gateway is first port
 of call.

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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Mike Andrew

On Thursday 09 August 2001 04:36, Richard Thompson wrote:

 Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: local  IP address 216.47.27.128
 Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: remote IP address 216.47.25.5

My money is on them. And it is _probably_ no more than a simple typo on their 
part when handling dynamically assigned ips to a large block of them.

Ok, so this is for the purposes of answering me, or, them.

first you have to establish whether you can get to the outside world at all, 
after a dial (i think you said no). In short

find a hard ip number in the outside world that will answer pings

yahoo on 216.115.108.243 is a safe bet.

no answer means your default gateway is stuffed, OR, 'them' have a routing 
problem on THEIR 216.47.25.5 (it's easy enough for an isp to bungle a script) 
slap

/sbin/ifconfig

_should_ show the following

Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
216.47.25.5 *   255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
127.0.0.0   *   255.0.0.0   U 0  00 lo
default *   0.0.0.0 U 0  00 ppp0

if that  gateway and defailt isn't there, *you* have a problem, houston.


On the other hand, if you _can_ at least ping a hard number, you, or them 
have a dns issue.

cat /etc/resolv.conf

ping the last listed server 

if it doesn't respond, you, or them, are lying about where the dns server is.


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Re: Me, or them?

2001-08-08 Thread Richard Thompson

Thanks, Mike for the assistance - got a direction to head in. Always nice to 
end a conversation with a little more knowledge than it started it.

- Rich Thompson

On Wednesday 08 August 2001 17:11, you wrote:
 On Thursday 09 August 2001 04:36, Richard Thompson wrote:
  Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: local  IP address 216.47.27.128
  Aug  6 20:47:27 costello pppd[7924]: remote IP address 216.47.25.5

 My money is on them. And it is _probably_ no more than a simple typo on
 their part when handling dynamically assigned ips to a large block of them.

 Ok, so this is for the purposes of answering me, or, them.

 first you have to establish whether you can get to the outside world at
 all, after a dial (i think you said no). In short

 find a hard ip number in the outside world that will answer pings

 yahoo on 216.115.108.243 is a safe bet.

 no answer means your default gateway is stuffed, OR, 'them' have a routing
 problem on THEIR 216.47.25.5 (it's easy enough for an isp to bungle a
 script) slap

 /sbin/ifconfig

 _should_ show the following

 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
 Iface 216.47.25.5 *   255.255.255.255 UH0  0   
 0 ppp0 127.0.0.0   *   255.0.0.0   U 0  0  
  0 lo default *   0.0.0.0 U 0  0   
 0 ppp0

 if that  gateway and defailt isn't there, *you* have a problem,
 houston.


 On the other hand, if you _can_ at least ping a hard number, you, or them
 have a dns issue.

 cat /etc/resolv.conf

 ping the last listed server

 if it doesn't respond, you, or them, are lying about where the dns server
 is.
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