Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-27 Thread Mike Andrew


  Previously, David Aikema chose to write:

mouse usb-ps2  ps2-serial


No cigar.

The fly in this ointment is that no two ps2-serial adaptors are born equal. 
They are married to the mouse that they came with. There is no such thing as 
a 'generic' ps2-serial adaptor. The ps2-serial adaptor that you have is a 
cheat and a liar, it's ps2 connection is expecting a mouse, a specific oem 
mouse at that, the last thing it expects is to be hit with is another (male) 
ps2 connector and I am unaware of any circumstance where what you have will 
work.


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Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-27 Thread Ted Ozolins

On Thursday 27 December 2001 05:55 am, you wrote:
   Previously, David Aikema chose to write:

 mouse usb-ps2  ps2-serial


 No cigar.

 The fly in this ointment is that no two ps2-serial adaptors are born
 equal. They are married to the mouse that they came with. There is no such
 thing as a 'generic' ps2-serial adaptor. The ps2-serial adaptor that you
 have is a cheat and a liar, it's ps2 connection is expecting a mouse, a
 specific oem mouse at that, the last thing it expects is to be hit with is
 another (male) ps2 connector and I am unaware of any circumstance where
 what you have will work.
The biggest problem isn't thepinouts of either of these, as all the ps2 
pinouts are the same, the problem is that ps2 and usb both have a +5V and 
ground available capable of supplying more current than any serial bus can 
ever hope to. Most devices built for usb require that extra zap and even if 
you were to custum build an adapter that would allow you to connect that usb 
device to a seriaal port I doubt that it would ever operate properly. Hence 
my previous comment; Get a USB adapter card and be done with it.

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Fwd: Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-22 Thread David Aikema

This initally didn't seem to make it through so I'm attempting to repost.

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Subject: Re: Ok... so its a stupid question
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:14:33 -0800
From: David Aikema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On December 21, 2001 08:20 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote:
 On Friday 21 December 2001 06:41 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
  Previously, David Aikema chose to write:
   2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port
   to enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of
   powering more demanding devices?

 Why not just get an USB adapter card and be done with it?

The people owning this computer aren't really technology enthusiasts they
just don't want to upgrade.  I lent them an old serial mouse which was in
perfect working order and they've been using that for the past month or so
(somehow that mouse has always slipped my mind).
The machine in question is a cyrix p150+ w/ 16 megs ram running windows 95 on
a 1 gig or smaller hard drive the usb adaptor would almost be worth as
much as the entire machine from the looks of things.

David Aikema

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Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-21 Thread David Aikema

I'm just wonderinf if there's a limit to the number of adaptors that you can 
throw on a peripheral.  I've currently got a usb optical wheel mouse sitting 
around that  someone I know wants to use on a motherboard that only gives you 
serial mouse support.  The thing currently has a usb-ps2 converter on it and 
then a ps2-serial converter attached to that.  I can verify that the mouse 
works, as well as does the usb-ps2 adaptor... but the mouse fails to work 
when attached to the serial port with the second adaptor.

I know somewhere around I've got a second ps2-serial adaptor that I can 
verify works.. but I can't find it for the life of me.

So...
I guess I've really got two questions...
1. Is there a limit to the number of adaptors that you can shove on a 
peripheral? ...and...
2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port to 
enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of powering more 
demanding devices?

David Aikema
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Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-21 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, David Aikema chose to write:
 2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port to
 enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of powering more
 demanding devices?


I wouldn't think the serial port can provide enough power. The PC serial port 
doesn't have a dedicated power pin. AFAIK, power is gotten from there by 
tying certain signal pins (RTS+CTS??). I would doubt it could power it. 

I think you can buy adapters that'll steal power from the keyboard or mouse 
ports, though. Check out BB Electronics, or Black Box. I think they have web 
sites.

HTH, 
Tim


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Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-21 Thread Ted Ozolins

On Friday 21 December 2001 06:41 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
 Previously, David Aikema chose to write:
  2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port to
  enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of powering
  more demanding devices?


Why not just get an USB adapter card and be done with it?
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Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

2001-12-21 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

I have one on a box that runs col2.3, works fine.

On Saturday 22 December 2001 04:20, Ted Ozolins wrote:
 On Friday 21 December 2001 06:41 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
  Previously, David Aikema chose to write:
   2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port
   to enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of
   powering more demanding devices?

 Why not just get an USB adapter card and be done with it?
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