Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:32:29 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 07:55:35PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: | Good summary, Joel. Do you have a copy of OpenOffice handy to try also? | | Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: | We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB | long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. | Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with | the following file sizes: | [big snip] | | Michael | Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. | | Yup. My wife brought home a couple of .xls files last night that | she couldn't read on any of the machines at $herjob or on her | Windows machine. I tried with StarOffice, NeXS, and Applixware, | none of which could handle it. My conclusion was that it had to | come from Office XP (strings did a pretty decent of extracting | things that could be imported into something useful). StarOffice 6 beta is supposed to do Office 2000/xp. That and loosing its desktop are the main new features, as far as I can see. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:22:30 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration: StarOffice 6 beta is supposed to do Office 2000/xp. That and loosing its desktop are the main new features, as far as I can see. === And a whole new file system/structure. While the file systems/extensions of the entire 5.x series were compatible with each other (you could open a 5.2 .sdw file in 5.o w/o problem. 6.0's .sxw files can not be opened by the 5.x series (though 6.0 c CAN save in that format. The new filesystem appears to be quite compressed. Files that used to take up 88k now take up about 9k. Mike -- He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot. -Groucho Marx ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
Oh boy. It sounds like they are going for nifty features in place of what most users really want, no hassles and standardization. It is to be hoped that they will supply a patch for 5.x that will allow opening and saving of documents in the new format. After all, 5.x is very nice, and maybe a lot of users feel no great need to upgrade. Joel StarOffice 6 beta is supposed to do Office 2000/xp. That and loosing its desktop are the main new features, as far as I can see. === And a whole new file system/structure. While the file systems/extensions of the entire 5.x series were compatible with each other (you could open a 5.2 .sdw file in 5.o w/o problem. 6.0's .sxw files can not be opened by the 5.x series (though 6.0 c CAN save in that format. The new filesystem appears to be quite compressed. Files that used to take up 88k now take up about 9k. Mike ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:25:21 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh boy. It sounds like they are going for nifty features in place of what most users really want, no hassles and standardization. It is to be hoped that they will supply a patch for 5.x that will allow opening and saving of documents in the new format. After all, 5.x is very nice, and maybe a lot of users feel no great need to upgrade. = Not that big a deal. 6.0 can be set by DEFAULT to save everything in the old format, thus leaving the user with trouble free total compatability with 5.x users. I simply gives the option of using a new system that evidently has other advantages (web publishing, I *think* beyond the compression factor. Mike -- You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. - Frank Zappa _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Reading Documents with Various editors
We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with the following file sizes: 46k .DOC 3.2k .HTM 196k .RTF 2.0k .TXT So, RTF is the biggest file. html is almost as good as text with size. I then mailed them home and tried to open these with abiword, staroffice, wp9, and wp8. Results: abiword. DOC: Perfect, but moved the logo from the top to the bottom. RTF: Perfect. TXT: Almost perfect, but one line with tabs had funny spacing HTM: wouldn't open it. wp8 DOC: Good. Messed up the logo (too big, odd colors) and one funny spaced line. RTF: Almost Perfect, one funny spaced line. TXT: Good, but funny spacing with a tabbed lines. HTM: Fair. Unable to handle tabbed lines at all. Just dropped tabs. wp9 DOC: Looked good BUT: Dropped two lines in the return address and added a line so the memo went on to two pages. This dropping of lines is UNACCEPTABLE. HTM: Fair. Paragraph spacing too much and didn't handle tabs quite right. RTF: Almost perfect. Added one line so it took two pages. TXT: UNKNOWN FORMAT StarOffice 5.3: DOC: Perfect. Logo looked good and in the right place. RTF: Perfect. TXT: Almost perfect. One tabbed line not quite right. HTM: Almost perfect. Paragraph space too wide. Kword (1.0): DOC: No filter RFT: No filter TXT: Badly formatted (margins.) HTM: Very good. Gave the best paragraph spacing and wasn't bad with tabs. No HTM, RFT, or TXT preserved the logo. Conclusion: The undisputed winner was staroffice 5.3. It worked very nicely, basically perfectly, with all four formats. I was surprised by the poor showing with WP9, which I had thought would be the best. wp8 was good, but it really messed up display of the logo. Its HTM was incompetent with tabs. Abiword was a fine performer. I don't know why I couldn't get the HTM to open with abiword. Kword must be better by now, but it is a moving target. So, still no reason not to keep using StarOffice. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
BTW, I used staroffice 5.2, not 5.3. I don't know if there is a 5.3. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:35:12 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration: BTW, I used staroffice 5.2, not 5.3. I don't know if there is a 5.3. Joel = was gonna ask about that ;o) BTW, I'll bet 6.0 will do even better, and .xlm compressed format saves even more space. If you have the 6.0 beta, it might make an interesting experiment shrug Mike -- He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot. -Groucho Marx ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 07:55:35PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: Good summary, Joel. Do you have a copy of OpenOffice handy to try also? Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with the following file sizes: [big snip] Michael Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. Yup. My wife brought home a couple of .xls files last night that she couldn't read on any of the machines at $herjob or on her Windows machine. I tried with StarOffice, NeXS, and Applixware, none of which could handle it. My conclusion was that it had to come from Office XP (strings did a pretty decent of extracting things that could be imported into something useful). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
I haven't fooled around with OpenOffice yet. I would HOPE they haven't made things worse as far as the import filters, but, you never know. Joel On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 07:55:35PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: Good summary, Joel. Do you have a copy of OpenOffice handy to try also? Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with the following file sizes: [big snip] Michael Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
