Re: [TID] Re: new install init
Keith Antoine wrote: [...] % No you did not, hopefully at my age I am thick skinned anyway. As I have been % in this list and the Caldera list for many years, I have been insulted and % roasted by some experts; Right Kurt ? [groan] I think I sold you your asbestos thong. Kurt -- I used to be an agnostic, but now I'm not so sure. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 09:26, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2001 23:18, Peter Ruskin enunciated: > > Me too - I started my apprenticeship in 1953. > > That means then we are both 21 this year ?? I put in time with G.E.C at > Wembley fooling around with 'bombes' for Bletchley Heath after coming > out of the RAF. > Yep - I'll go along with 21. I had 25 years man and boy in the RAF as an aircraft electrical technician, then 21 years as a technical author (with a small amount of coding for fun). -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 20 hours 49 minutes. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 20:28, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Sunday 02 December 2001 19:26, Keith Antoine enunciated: > > On Saturday 01 December 2001 23:18, Peter Ruskin enunciated: > > > My MI was in 91. > > > > Mine was an MI6, they did 43 resusitations, wonder I was not brain > > damaged after 1hr 20min, wife says I always was though. > > Geez that was stupid typo it was 34 not 43... Whew!! Good to be alive, isn't it. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 20 hours 48 minutes. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Sunday 02 December 2001 19:26, Keith Antoine enunciated: > On Saturday 01 December 2001 23:18, Peter Ruskin enunciated: > > My MI was in 91. > > Mine was an MI6, they did 43 resusitations, wonder I was not brain damaged > after 1hr 20min, wife says I always was though. Geez that was stupid typo it was 34 not 43... -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Saturday 01 December 2001 23:18, Peter Ruskin enunciated: > Me too - I started my apprenticeship in 1953. That means then we are both 21 this year ?? I put in time with G.E.C at Wembley fooling around with 'bombes' for Bletchley Heath after coming out of the RAF. > My MI was in 91. Mine was an MI6, they did 43 resusitations, wonder I was not brain damaged after 1hr 20min, wife says I always was though. > That goes at our age anyway, skippy. Err, what was that you said ?? -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:10, Dave Anselmi enunciated: > Did everyone miss the smiley after my second sentence? I am not critical > of Keith for not being a programmer, or the type who builds and rebuilds > and constantly tweaks his system. I do, and I love it. I feel sorry for > those who don't get to do it as much as I do. Granted, some are different > and do not think coding or configuring is much fun. I can still feel sorry > for them, though obviously there is nothing wrong with their differing > preferences. It has never been my bag to program, however I still live on the bleeding edge as much as I can. Mostly on others endevours, and use them gladly. > Keith, if I have offended, I appologize. I was attempting a good-natured > jest. No you did not, hopefully at my age I am thick skinned anyway. As I have been in this list and the Caldera list for many years, I have been insulted and roasted by some experts; Right Kurt ? > As to my contributions, look at what I have posted. The volume will not > match most on this list. If the quality is inadequate as well, I will > gladly sign off. Don't you bloody dare, I have some uses for you yet.. Now what was I wanted to get the vcr working ?? -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
Dave Anselmi wrote: > Keith, if I have offended, I appologize. I was attempting a good-natured jest. > > As to my contributions, look at what I have posted. The volume will not match most >on this list. > If the quality is inadequate as well, I will gladly sign off. > > Dave None of us are judged by either volume or quality of posts. Participation is the only requrement here, and yours is still quite welcome. Believe me, you'd have no problem discerning it if it weren't. -- Andrew Mathews -- 5:15pm up 2 days, 22:31, 3 users, load average: 1.14, 1.19, 1.11 -- Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. -- John Kenneth Galbraith ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
"Richard R. Sivernell" wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:13:44 +1000 > Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Friday 30 November 2001 14:11, Dave Anselmi enunciated: > > > > > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy > > > ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) > > Dave Anselmi > > Keith been on this list long before I or some others. He has added invaluable >amount of great > info to us all here. Let me say this, Keith is highly respected for his knowledge, >how much have > you contributed? Did everyone miss the smiley after my second sentence? I am not critical of Keith for not being a programmer, or the type who builds and rebuilds and constantly tweaks his system. I do, and I love it. I feel sorry for those who don't get to do it as much as I do. Granted, some are different and do not think coding or configuring is much fun. I can still feel sorry for them, though obviously there is nothing wrong with their differing preferences. I also did not say anything about Keith's dislike of vi. I don't want him to have to use vi, I want him to be able to use whatever works for him. Keith, if I have offended, I appologize. I was attempting a good-natured jest. As to my contributions, look at what I have posted. The volume will not match most on this list. If the quality is inadequate as well, I will gladly sign off. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Saturday 01 Dec 2001 03:13, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Friday 30 November 2001 14:11, Dave Anselmi enunciated: > > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor > > guy ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry > > for you.) > > I hav ebeen a hardware guy since 1956 when the word computer was Me too - I started my apprenticeship in 1953. > unknown. I have never coded or ever had the wish to do so, by modern > standards. Had a massive heart attack in 93 that had a deliterious My MI was in 91. > effect on short term memory. So that I have lost a great deal of my That goes at our age anyway, skippy. > abilities. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk-pnr-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 17 hours 1 minute. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:13:44 +1000 Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 30 November 2001 14:11, Dave Anselmi enunciated: > > > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy > > ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) > > I hav ebeen a hardware guy since 1956 when the word computer was unknown. I > have never coded or ever had the wish to do so, by modern standards. Had a > massive heart attack in 93 that had a deliterious effect on short term memory. > So that I have lost a great deal of my abilities. > > -- > Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' > 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 > Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage Dave Anselmi Keith been on this list long before I or some others. He has added invaluable amount of great info to us all here. Let me say this, Keith is highly respected for his knowledge, how much have you contributed? -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera e-Server 3.1 Registered Linux User #193859 .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Friday 30 November 2001 14:11, Dave Anselmi enunciated: > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy > ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) I hav ebeen a hardware guy since 1956 when the word computer was unknown. I have never coded or ever had the wish to do so, by modern standards. Had a massive heart attack in 93 that had a deliterious effect on short term memory. So that I have lost a great deal of my abilities. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:45:55 + Declan Moriarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 30 November 2001 04:11, you wrote: > > Keith Antoine wrote: > > > The real problem is that I _Cannot_ remember the commands to type in as i > > > do not use an editor enough to remember. I can read however and click the > > > mouse button, also joe/jove have a commands reminder key sequence that I > > > can callup to jog the memory. > > > > > > I had a problem a while ago where I did not have access to any other > > > editor than vi, it took me hours of frustration to get a line altered. > > > > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy > > ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) > > > > Perhaps an editor you like will fit on a floppy. Then you won't be so > > stuck. > > Once linux popularity spreads beyond the programming fraternity, you're going > to have to put up with guys who don't code, 'cos we're the majority now. I > struggle through life with vi using :q!, :wq, insert and delete keys. It's > like the old (defunct) Wordstar codes gone wrong. I was fond of Tasword in > Dos (62K: is that small enough?). It's a lot like vi (obscure keystrokes), > with optional help on top of the screen worked as ^Fsomething, > Alt-Fsomething, and Shift-Fsomething. With the help on, the top of the screen > changes to the relevant page of help as you press Ctrl, Alt, or Shift. > Simple, but workable. > > I'm in electronics hardware, BTW, and quite friendly to guys who can't solder > or design ;-). Just think if electronmics was left as the preserve of those > who could; You'd probably have no pc ;-) > > -- > Regards, > > > Declan Moriarty > I have a base debian distribution on a spare drive. It has a little editor called ae. It has basic functionality and help on topscreen. I don't know if the help can be turned off but I assume so. It is < 25k. -- Chris Kassopulo _/\_ Linux User #199893 _/\_ Vector Linux ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Bill Day wrote: > Pico (comes with PINE console mailer), has its limitations, but if you ahve > problems rembering vi commands, and arent worried about line length then you > should be ok... > > However, there is something to a 'limit' on a single line for pico.. can not > remember what that was dealing with... > pico -w overrides the line length issue Stew Benedict ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [TID] Re: new install init
On Friday 30 November 2001 04:11, you wrote: > Keith Antoine wrote: > > The real problem is that I _Cannot_ remember the commands to type in as i > > do not use an editor enough to remember. I can read however and click the > > mouse button, also joe/jove have a commands reminder key sequence that I > > can callup to jog the memory. > > > > I had a problem a while ago where I did not have access to any other > > editor than vi, it took me hours of frustration to get a line altered. > > Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy > ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) > > Perhaps an editor you like will fit on a floppy. Then you won't be so > stuck. Once linux popularity spreads beyond the programming fraternity, you're going to have to put up with guys who don't code, 'cos we're the majority now. I struggle through life with vi using :q!, :wq, insert and delete keys. It's like the old (defunct) Wordstar codes gone wrong. I was fond of Tasword in Dos (62K: is that small enough?). It's a lot like vi (obscure keystrokes), with optional help on top of the screen worked as ^Fsomething, Alt-Fsomething, and Shift-Fsomething. With the help on, the top of the screen changes to the relevant page of help as you press Ctrl, Alt, or Shift. Simple, but workable. I'm in electronics hardware, BTW, and quite friendly to guys who can't solder or design ;-). Just think if electronmics was left as the preserve of those who could; You'd probably have no pc ;-) -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Success covers a multitude of blunders - G.B. Shaw. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[TID] Re: new install init
Keith Antoine wrote: > The real problem is that I _Cannot_ remember the commands to type in as i do > not use an editor enough to remember. I can read however and click the mouse > button, also joe/jove have a commands reminder key sequence that I can callup > to jog the memory. > > I had a problem a while ago where I did not have access to any other editor > than vi, it took me hours of frustration to get a line altered. Gee, if you don't edit much, you aren't coding or configuring. Poor guy ;-) (Unless you code or configure Windows - then I'm really sorry for you.) Perhaps an editor you like will fit on a floppy. Then you won't be so stuck. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
Pico (comes with PINE console mailer), has its limitations, but if you ahve problems rembering vi commands, and arent worried about line length then you should be ok... However, there is something to a 'limit' on a single line for pico.. can not remember what that was dealing with... HTH, On Thursday 29 November 2001 20:20, you were heard blurting out: > On Friday 30 November 2001 10:27, Matthew Carpenter enunciated: > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:46 +1000 > > > > "Keith Antoine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I must also admit that to me vi is an editor that I thouroughly "hate", > > > it was as AFAIAC written by a certifiable geek, on a bad trip with > > > drugs. So I would not have got far here, joe, jove are my limits. > > > > VI was written so you could BE on drugs and get out of the file without > > hidden stuff. It's ugly, but so is BIND when you don't know exactly what > > those zone files are made of! > > The real problem is that I _Cannot_ remember the commands to type in as i > do not use an editor enough to remember. I can read however and click the > mouse button, also joe/jove have a commands reminder key sequence that I > can callup to jog the memory. > > I had a problem a while ago where I did not have access to any other editor > than vi, it took me hours of frustration to get a line altered. -- Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )188133 http://counter.li.org irc.openprojects.net #linux-users ( Open 24/7 ) Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 9:30pm up 120 days, 12:01, 17 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
On Friday 30 November 2001 10:27, Matthew Carpenter enunciated: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:46 +1000 > > "Keith Antoine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I must also admit that to me vi is an editor that I thouroughly "hate", > > it was as AFAIAC written by a certifiable geek, on a bad trip with drugs. > > So I would not have got far here, joe, jove are my limits. > > VI was written so you could BE on drugs and get out of the file without > hidden stuff. It's ugly, but so is BIND when you don't know exactly what > those zone files are made of! The real problem is that I _Cannot_ remember the commands to type in as i do not use an editor enough to remember. I can read however and click the mouse button, also joe/jove have a commands reminder key sequence that I can callup to jog the memory. I had a problem a while ago where I did not have access to any other editor than vi, it took me hours of frustration to get a line altered. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
Matthew Carpenter wrote: % On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:46 +1000 % "Keith Antoine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: % > I must also admit that to me vi is an editor that I thouroughly "hate", it % > was as AFAIAC written by a certifiable geek, on a bad trip with drugs. So I % > would not have got far here, joe, jove are my limits. % > % % VI was written so you could BE on drugs and get out of the file without hidden stuff. It's ugly, but so is BIND when you don't know exactly what those zone files are made of! There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:46 +1000 "Keith Antoine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I must also admit that to me vi is an editor that I thouroughly "hate", it > was as AFAIAC written by a certifiable geek, on a bad trip with drugs. So I > would not have got far here, joe, jove are my limits. > VI was written so you could BE on drugs and get out of the file without hidden stuff. It's ugly, but so is BIND when you don't know exactly what those zone files are made of! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
On Wednesday 28 November 2001 19:52, Declan Moriarty enunciated: I would like to thank those who answered my appeal, however it was not the fault of Mandrake I am sorry to say. It was entirely my fault insofar as I installed the video card with 3D accel near the end of the install. It was done as a ' Oh yeah, click! that will do. When i looked closer I caould see where I had buggered it up. So i re-installed and all was fine. > BTW, I'm on Mandrake 8.0; Their X setup stuff is poor IMHO. They took Red > Hat's xconfigurator, but there's a catch 22 in that - it's first guess > needs to work or you're screwed. XF86setup was also around, but I ended up > with the text version on my awkward machines, and then using vi to tweak > modelines. I must also admit that to me vi is an editor that I thouroughly "hate", it was as AFAIAC written by a certifiable geek, on a bad trip with drugs. So I would not have got far here, joe, jove are my limits. Thanks also to Dave and of course the iniimitable Kurt... -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Re: new install init
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:13:34 -0500 Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lee wrote: > > > implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera > > and Red Hat have adopted the M$ new distro development model. > >After releasing a really good distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake > > 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and degrade the overall > > quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid of XP. > > No experience with XP. win2k is better that average. I never had any problems with win98se. The ultimate crapzoid of all times is WinME. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 k2.4.16+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Lee wrote: > Tim Wunder wrote: > > >>Lee wrote: >> >>Huh!? Are you REALLY saying that Win95 was better than Win98SE? Are you >>REALLY saying that COL 2.2 was better than 2.4? >>Speaking as someone who's used all of the above, I would have to say >>that my experience sharply contrasts yours. Win98SE was definately a >>better product than the original Win95, which in light of the hype >>surrounding it is a much better candidate for "ultimate crapzoid" than >>XP is. >> > >> > Yes, that's what I'm saying. I use my computer for desktop work nothing exotic like > calculation the value of pie to the last decimal place, just gp stuff. Also I run a > small computer business on the side. Most of my work has been installing OSs on > client's boxes in their own home. In four years I've had two Win95s come back. One > was blasted when a squirrel shorted out the electric transformer on the pole and the > system was on line. The other when an idiot decided to make space on his hd by > removing "unused" files. > > 98 (either FE or Se) usually runs for about a year to a year and a half before I see > it again. Too many bells and whistles and not enough OS engine. It's easy enough to > understand why. When 95 was being developed Gates and crapany still had competition > for the desktop market. OS/2 was still around and Win had to prove that was better. > When 98 came out it was either Win or a blank screen. So M$ could taylor it to the > same market that demands new chrome strips on this year's model car. But, as I said > 98 was slightly worse than 95. Many of the 95 bugs were fixed, but 98 compensated by > adding in its own. > OK. I see where you're coming from. I don't necessarily agree. There were 3 versions of Win95, though, each better than the previous, IMO. You can make the argument that the first Win98 broke as much, if not more, than it fixed, but I've had much better luck with the SE release on the few installs that I'v done. I've got a friend who builds Win-based PCs that swears by 98 SE, and has uninstalled Win2K from several boxes to put Win98SE on 'em. He stays far away from ME, with good reason. Suffice it to say that I don't think it's a clear cut "Every new release is worse" situation with what you get from MS. Your free to have your own opinions, though ;). > >> >>And it was the quality of eDesktop 2.4 that finally pushed me over the >>edge to using linux full time at home. Further, once you get past some >>of the installation issues with COL 3.1, it's a fine product in itself. >>I'm very pleased with both of my 3.1 installs at home. Neither of the >>Mandrake releases I've installed (7.1, 8.0) are as good, in my experience. >> > > >I came to Linux from COL1.3 bought at flea market to COL 2.2 to 2.4 to 3.1. > Tried 2.2 from a book, then 2.3 from a download. They were fun to play with, but I still USED Windows to DO stuff. 2.4 was the first linux release that I could really get comfortable with using to perform my day to day tasks. > Mandrake wise from 6.2 to 7.1 to 8.0 and 8.1. The COL 2.2 that I installed on my > dual boot (Win95/COL 2.2) ran for almost 3 years with little trouble. I should note > that I am not of those who continually recompile their OSs for the latest updated > thing-a-ma-giggy. Not critizing, Linux is different things for different folks. 2.2 > did everything I needed, I was satisfied. Then one day in the middle of a net surf > my monitor screen went black (not lost power just shut down) On reboot there was > nothing there. Neither Boot Magic nor the Linux boot disk could find Linux on the weird, sounds like some of my experiences with Mandrake 7.1... > five minutes. It never came back and wouldn't reboot even with a boot disk. Sooo. I > installed 3.1. Pure turkey. The icons for floppy and cdrom or even terminal wouldn't > access. Got message that the file /dev/floppy /dev/fd0/ /mnt/floppy/ /auto /floppy > (take your pick) couldn't be found. That was strange in that the properties listing > of the floppy icon listed the iso95660 driver as being loaded . Cdrom the same. Yea, that's part of the installation issues I mentioned in my previous post. The problems were fixable, but they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Once I got past that kind of stuff, 3.1's been fine. Of course it's only been up for a few months, now. > ...Gave > up in disgust and installed Mandrake 7.1. What an OS! On install it found and > installed my cdrom, cd burner, zip drive and floppy. The system was fast and easy to > use. Problems? Only two. The Scripting on Netscape could be better and the printer > base is rather limited. But, like one of the chrome strip crowd I installed > Mandrake 8.0 over it and later 8.1. Two turkeys. Same problem with the floppy and > cdrom as 3.1 only not instead of can't find file it was you don't have permission to > access the device, even as root. Also 8.0 and 8.1 have a nasty tendency of switching > Xservers after install
Re: Re: new install init
Tim Wunder wrote: > Lee wrote: > > > implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera and Red Hat > > have adopted the M$ new distro development model. After releasing a really good > > distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and > > degrade the overall quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid > > of XP. > > > > Huh!? Are you REALLY saying that Win95 was better than Win98SE? Are you > REALLY saying that COL 2.2 was better than 2.4? > Speaking as someone who's used all of the above, I would have to say > that my experience sharply contrasts yours. Win98SE was definately a > better product than the original Win95, which in light of the hype > surrounding it is a much better candidate for "ultimate crapzoid" than > XP is. >Yes, that's what I'm saying. I use my computer for desktop work nothing exotic like calculation the value of pie to the last decimal place, just gp stuff. Also I run a small computer business on the side. Most of my work has been installing OSs on client's boxes in their own home. In four years I've had two Win95s come back. One was blasted when a squirrel shorted out the electric transformer on the pole and the system was on line. The other when an idiot decided to make space on his hd by removing "unused" files. 98 (either FE or Se) usually runs for about a year to a year and a half before I see it again. Too many bells and whistles and not enough OS engine. It's easy enough to understand why. When 95 was being developed Gates and crapany still had competition for the desktop market. OS/2 was still around and Win had to prove that was better. When 98 came out it was either Win or a blank screen. So M$ could taylor it to the same market that demands new chrome strips on this year's model car. But, as I said 98 was slightly worse than 95. Many of the 95 bugs were fixed, but 98 compensated by adding in its own. > > > And it was the quality of eDesktop 2.4 that finally pushed me over the > edge to using linux full time at home. Further, once you get past some > of the installation issues with COL 3.1, it's a fine product in itself. > I'm very pleased with both of my 3.1 installs at home. Neither of the > Mandrake releases I've installed (7.1, 8.0) are as good, in my experience. > I came to Linux from COL1.3 bought at flea market to COL 2.2 to 2.4 to 3.1. Mandrake wise from 6.2 to 7.1 to 8.0 and 8.1. The COL 2.2 that I installed on my dual boot (Win95/COL 2.2) ran for almost 3 years with little trouble. I should note that I am not of those who continually recompile their OSs for the latest updated thing-a-ma-giggy. Not critizing, Linux is different things for different folks. 2.2 did everything I needed, I was satisfied. Then one day in the middle of a net surf my monitor screen went black (not lost power just shut down) On reboot there was nothing there. Neither Boot Magic nor the Linux boot disk could find Linux on the hd. So, I upgraded to 2.4. Was ok. Netscape color was better, but it took longer to load. It did have one bad habit however. Sometimes, when I accessed the "Get Message" function on Netscape Communicator the Netscape window would shutdown when I entered my password. Two months after install, I got an error message telling me that one of the components was recycling too fast and boot would be shut down for five minutes. It never came back and wouldn't reboot even with a boot disk. Sooo. I installed 3.1. Pure turkey. The icons for floppy and cdrom or even terminal wouldn't access. Got message that the file /dev/floppy /dev/fd0/ /mnt/floppy/ /auto /floppy (take your pick) couldn't be found. That was strange in that the properties listing of the floppy icon listed the iso95660 driver as being loaded . Cdrom the same. Gave up in disgust and installed Mandrake 7.1. What an OS! On install it found and installed my cdrom, cd burner, zip drive and floppy. The system was fast and easy to use. Problems? Only two. The Scripting on Netscape could be better and the printer base is rather limited. But, like one of the chrome strip crowd I installed Mandrake 8.0 over it and later 8.1. Two turkeys. Same problem with the floppy and cdrom as 3.1 only not instead of can't find file it was you don't have permission to access the device, even as root. Also 8.0 and 8.1 have a nasty tendency of switching Xservers after install. Finally let common sense prevail and reinstalled Mandrake 7.1. Much happy again. > > > I've also been using Win2K SP1 at work since March with very few > problems. It is, by far, a better product than any of the Win9x > releases. If not for my philosophical difference with how MS goes about > doing business, I wouldn't mind using Win2K at home. And I really must > question your opinion of XP being an "ultimate crapzoid". Although I > have no experience with using XP, I've read that the primay issues with > the O/S are over licensing, not quality. >Most of my work lately has been installing Junk 2
Re: new install init
Keith Antoine wrote: > I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the first > time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to kde and > in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its stosp and > says:: > init id "x" respawning too fast, disable for 5 min If you look in your /etc/inittab, you will see some lines containing the word 'respawn'. These lines list runlevels and programs to be run in those runlevels. The error you're getting is due to the fact that the command contained in some of those lines is exiting immediately with an error. Normally these are used for getty or xdm - programs that wait for you to log in. When your login session ends, the process dies and init respawns it (so you can log in again). Normally the command run here takes many minutes between init starting it and when it dies. If init runs a command that exits quickly (e.g. getty can't be found), the respawning causes a fast loop that sucks up cpu cycles. So init watches and if something is respawned too quickly, init stops respawning it so you have a chance to log in and do something. So, look at your inittab, try out the commands listed on the respawn lines, and fix the ones that don't work. Note that init's environment (especially $PATH) may be different than the one in your shell. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Lee wrote: > implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera and Red Hat > have adopted the M$ new distro development model. After releasing a really good > distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and > degrade the overall quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid > of XP. > Huh!? Are you REALLY saying that Win95 was better than Win98SE? Are you REALLY saying that COL 2.2 was better than 2.4? Speaking as someone who's used all of the above, I would have to say that my experience sharply contrasts yours. Win98SE was definately a better product than the original Win95, which in light of the hype surrounding it is a much better candidate for "ultimate crapzoid" than XP is. And it was the quality of eDesktop 2.4 that finally pushed me over the edge to using linux full time at home. Further, once you get past some of the installation issues with COL 3.1, it's a fine product in itself. I'm very pleased with both of my 3.1 installs at home. Neither of the Mandrake releases I've installed (7.1, 8.0) are as good, in my experience. I've also been using Win2K SP1 at work since March with very few problems. It is, by far, a better product than any of the Win9x releases. If not for my philosophical difference with how MS goes about doing business, I wouldn't mind using Win2K at home. And I really must question your opinion of XP being an "ultimate crapzoid". Although I have no experience with using XP, I've read that the primay issues with the O/S are over licensing, not quality. Unfortunately, if MS hadn't stifled every viable competitor over the last 10 years, a product of the quality of Win2K would've been released in 1997 and the computing industry would be light years ahead of where it is now. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new install init
Keith Antoine wrote: > I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the first > time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to kde and > in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its stosp and > says:: > init id "x" respawning too fast, disable for 5 min > > That seems to be a video card problem but the /etc/X11/XF86Config looks ok to > me. > > What am I missing or what do i look for otherwise its a re-install with no > guarantees it will work. > > card is linux compatible Nvidia gforce with video out, M200 I think from > memory. > -- > Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' > 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 > Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage Believe it's pretty much a Mandrake bug. 8.1. Like Richard III 8.1 was born into the world undone, as was its predecessor 8.0. I've installed 7.1, 8.0 and 8.1 on various boxes. Both 8.0 and 8.1 sent the same error message at bootup, but only after they had been operational for over a week. The video cards I was using was your general purpose S3 Trio or Virge with 4 MB. The only solution I was able to implement was go back to using 7.1. I think Mandrake, like Caldera and Red Hat have adopted the M$ new distro development model. After releasing a really good distro (Win 95, COL 2.2, Mandrake 7.1) follow it with one not quite so good and degrade the overall quality with each new release toward the ultimate crapzoid of XP. Lee > > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Keith Antoine wrote: % I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the first % time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to kde and % in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its stosp and % says:: % init id "x" respawning too fast, disable for 5 min % % That seems to be a video card problem but the /etc/X11/XF86Config looks ok to % me. % % What am I missing or what do i look for otherwise its a re-install with no % guarantees it will work. Boot to run level 3. To configure X, try running # X -configure which will scribble a configuration file in the current directory. Compare it to the existing configuration file to see if there are major differences. Have a look at the X log in /var/log/ to see what the problem is. % card is linux compatible Nvidia gforce with video out, M200 I think from % memory. The driver for this card is "nv". Kurt -- No directory. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Congratulations on such a fine error! ;-) The only time I ever got things respawning too fast was on init, and it usually was a module thing. BTW, I'm on Mandrake 8.0; Their X setup stuff is poor IMHO. They took Red Hat's xconfigurator, but there's a catch 22 in that - it's first guess needs to work or you're screwed. XF86setup was also around, but I ended up with the text version on my awkward machines, and then using vi to tweak modelines. Try file 2>&1> then and you'll see what's going on. I would set up for console operation, (it may work to run to a console and type as root) and you can run harddrake or linuxconf from there. They also give a file called xtart, which allows you to choose window managers (funny to be reccomending this; check out the intro in that script, and my signature). KDE starts off the sound and everything, so you'd never know what's going on. I gave up on KDE - they didn't know when to stop writing code :-(. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Experience is like a comb, that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out! On Wednesday 28 November 2001 08:32, you wrote: > I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the > first time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to > kde and in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its > stosp and says:: > init id "x" respawning too fast, disable for 5 min > > That seems to be a video card problem but the /etc/X11/XF86Config looks ok > to me. > > What am I missing or what do i look for otherwise its a re-install with no > guarantees it will work. > > card is linux compatible Nvidia gforce with video out, M200 I think from > memory. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
new install init
I have just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a server for someone, but for the first time I have had init problems on a clean install. It will not boot to kde and in a console it stops with a flashing console login screen, the its stosp and says:: init id "x" respawning too fast, disable for 5 min That seems to be a video card problem but the /etc/X11/XF86Config looks ok to me. What am I missing or what do i look for otherwise its a re-install with no guarantees it will work. card is linux compatible Nvidia gforce with video out, M200 I think from memory. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
