Re: [ILUG-BOM] on politeness

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> Aren't we representatives of a misunderstood community with few active
> ambassadors?

Yes.

> Should we be quarrelling among ourselves? Don't we (or,
> some of us) have a mission, defined adversaries, allies?

Even allies disagree on certain points.

> Should there
> be quibbling between allies then?

If such quibbling enhances the knowledge of the person being abused,more
power to such quibbling.
I disagree with some elitists on this list who believe any newbie question
should be answered with hostility,and believe that there's nothing better
than keeping GNU/Linux being a hobbyist operating system,hostile to people
who are new and want to find out more,abuse distributions which make
GNU/Linux more accessible to newbies,but just being part of the same
community doesn't force me to stop trying to change their mind.I would like
to quibble on these issues,but I don't fancy being called names on public
lists,and therefore stay out of the flamewars related to these issues and
these elitists.


>
>
> Aren't we evangelists?

AFAIK,not.

> Doesn't that put the obligation of decent
> behaviour on us? What ambassador acts out of petulance? What sage
> calls his congregation dolts, or idiots? What example should we be
> setting?

Irrelevant,considering that we are not,IMHO,evangelists.

> Should we call others stupid, lazy, unthinking, when we were
> such ourselves when we started out, and perhaps still are?

Agree.




>
> I hope you will appreciate this communication for what it is-- an
> appeal to the better sensibilities within all of us, to end the
> hateful heated repartee we've been seeing over the past few months.

Seconded.

>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards
>
> Suhit Kelkar.
> --
>  
>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Slashdot: Indian GPS Cartographers Charged As Terrorists

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Saturday 20 Dec 2008 4:38:50 am Praveen A wrote:
> > We have raised our doubts about this earlier here. But it is real now.
>
> what is real? Could you summarise? I do not have the bandwidth currently to
> read slashdot.

The danger of continuing to map streets for OSM/FreeMap in the curretn
situation.Two guys have been put behind bars under the official secrets act
for mapping highways using GPS(apparently for Nokia Navigator).Only,their
laptop also contained photos of the local airforce base.

>
>
> --
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> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Why distribute only FOSS LINUX OS's by kiosk. Why not cheap english/hindi/marathi/chinese teaching CDROMs DVDs Educational movies the works.

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Erach  wrote:

> Hi,
> >
> > Definetly doable. Instead of colleges, set it up in Cultural book
> > depot and or some popular mobo vendor. This will provide much wider
> > exposure than a college. Setup one such in each major metro.
> > Followup in the form of install fests in the vicinity would add punch.
> >
>
> Have you thought --- once the kiosk is made.
> And now you get 1 TERABYTE HARD-DISKS for $ 100 - why not
> put all types of content on the kiosks.
>
> Then the commercial vendors will get interested // so will the colleges.
>
> I mean, any reason the kiosk stores only FOSS LINUX.
>
Could you keep your subject simple?AFAIK,it's the body of the email which is
supposed to hold the central idea of your mail.

Or,I'm terribly mistaken and I have to learn netiquette all over again.


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[ILUG-BOM] Build up of CD requests on wiki

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hello.
There is a backlog of requests on the wiki CDs Wanted list at
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Wanted#Requests_List .I don't deny
this mail is more out of my own needs,though everyone will benefit. :P
Anybody having the relevant CDs/DVDs [or] ISOs please contact the members
requiring said CD/DVDs.The list is as below:


   - Debian Etch DVD Joel D. joel_divekar[at]rediffmail[dot]com Cost of
   Media or Media provided
   - Fedora 8 x86_64 DVD Prem Anandh P anandhame[at]gmail[dot]com Central
   Railway line Cost of Media or Media provided
   - Cent OS 5 DVD/CD Nilesh Patkar npatkar[at]gmail[dot]com Anywhere in
   Mumbai Cost of Media or Media provided
   - Fedora 8 x86_64 DVD/CD Nilesh Patkar npatkar[at]gmail[dot]com Anywhere
   in Mumbai Cost of Media or Media provided
   - Fedora Core 9 DVD/CD Santosh Shetye santoshwshetye[at]gmail[dot]com
   Anywhere in Mumbai Cost of media or Media provided


   - Xubuntu 8.04.1 / 8.04 ashishdtripathi [at] ymail [dot] com Cost of
   Media or Media provided
   - openSUSE 11.0 DVD Easwar Hariharan meindian523 [at] gmail.com Cost of
   Media or Media provided
   - Ubuntu Kubuntu 32 bit 64 bit 8.10 [Intrepid] Easwar Hariharan
   meindian523[at]gmail[dot]com Cost of media or media provided.

In my case,I need both Ubuntu and Kubuntu 8.10 and both 32 bit as well as 64
bit archs.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] System set up for Studio on Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> Please suggest a Distro which also has a large hardware
> compatibility.


Distros don't differ much on account of hardware compatibility because they
use the same kernel,what may differ is the version of the kernel and any of
their own minor patches/hacks.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem: In open suse system mousepad of laptop does not work?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:14 PM, jtd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 November 2008 14:01, Ganesh Gajare wrote:
> > Hello to all,
> > I have faced two problem using OpenSuse in my one of the friends
> > laptop. When i boot in open suse mouse pad does not support, it
> > does not work.
>
> First avoid opensuse like the plague.
>
Um,why?It's SUSE that's 'polluted',for lack of a better word,not openSUSE
AFAIK.??

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] New site: gnowledge network

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> Sorry for the delayed reply.  If you or someone wants to write a post
> to slashdot let me know what answers you need.  I tried my best to
> write on the home page.  it will be difficult for me know what palces
> should I simplify.
>
> Can you suggest improvements?
>
> Regarding whether the server can withstand the aftermath of slashdotting,
> yes.
>
What about explaining concepts you are using like TypeMap,DepMap,etc in
easier language for a start?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to Capture Audio?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:28 PM, IPS Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do you record *audio* from a tape *cassette* to the computer, and
> finally, to a *CD* recordable disc?
>
> in UBUNTU Linux
>
I would say a standard 3.5"(IIRC) cables from the audio out of the cassette
player to the line in port of your sound card and Sound recorder using Line
In.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] New site: gnowledge network

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Nagarjuna G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry if you get multiple copies; I know there are many common members in
> the groups I am sending to.
>
> Dear fellow hackers,
>
> www.gnowledge.org  portal will be slowly transformed
> soon into a collaborative concept mapping (knowledge networking) site.
> Please check out the first edition with dependency maps.  The old site will
> be slowly phased out, it is available from http://old.gnowledge.org/
>
> New site is http://www.gnowledge.org/
>
> Join, contribute, test, and help in this new initiative.  Do spread the
> word
> around so that more and more people can add to the growing network.

About spreading the word,can the HBCSE server survive a slashdotting
supposing the story comes to the front page?Also,could someone please
simplify the language and be a bit clearer about the goal and the process of
this project,please?

>
>
> Soon to come: type map, part map, interaction map, cause-effect map, debian
> software map, translation map, and soon a new SELF Platform with
> automatically created course structure from the knowledge network.
>
> --
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] No audio on Kubuntu with Acer Aspire One

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Sanjay Singhvi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to Linux and have recently purchased an Acer Aspire One and
> loaded Kubuntu onto it. I find that I get no audio at all. Followed
> instructions at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne . However,
> after
> doing all the tweaks, found that it requires Alsa 1.0.17. Tried
> downloading
> Alsa 1.0.17 and compiling it. However, not successful. Any suggestions
> please? Thanking you in advance.
> Sanjay Singhvi

Please post the error messages you get.And did you install build-essential
before trying to build Alsa 1.0.17 ?


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Final Announcement: ILUG-Bom Oct. 2008 Meet on Sunday, 19th Oct 2008

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Information Security <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> any registrations necessary i am interested in comming
>

Not necessary,but preferable.On the wiki.There should be a RSVP page for
this meet.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Final Announcement: ILUG-Bom Oct. 2008 Meet on Sunday, 19th Oct 2008

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 09 October 2008 12:21:21 pm Nikhil wrote:
> > I guess, addedly a gist of the meetup would also be nice and perhaps with
> > the material posted on the site somewhere. It would be really helpful for
> > the folks who cannot make to the the onsite meetup.
>
Minutes are regularly posted to the wiki.Please check.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Blackle - Black Google -- saves energy.

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> > With an LCD the backlight consumes substantial power and keeping a
> > black image on screen makes no difference to the power consumption.
> >
> > --
> > Rgds
> > JTD
> > --
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> >
>
Actually,in a conversation with a game programmer,I found out that it isn't
as simple as rendering a white pixel needs rendering of all colours while
rendering a black pixel needs an absence of colours,thus power is saved.Even
the black pixel rendered is not true absence of colour but actually a mix of
the dark colours which is close enough to black for the human eye.So,power
saved is basically nil.

>
>
> A little late in the day to comment, but pray tell me: what does this
> discussion have to do with GNU/Linux?

Sometimes,a few off topic discussions are ok,because otherwise,IMHO,there's
no life in a community when there's no healthy interaction on a wide variety
of topics,and you are stuck with "Topic1 and related"

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A request for Ubuntu 8.04/8.04.1 CDs

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Kussh Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Where is the install fest going to be and at what time? I can make some
>> Ubuntu 8.04 CDs but i don't have the ones which come from canonical thru
>> shipit.
>>
> 
Also,it's not a problem if I've to collect a 2-4 CDs from one person and
another 4-5 from another and so on.Please don't look at the small number of
extra CDs you have and assume they won't solve the purpose.We will need
approximately 25 CDs.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A request for Ubuntu 8.04/8.04.1 CDs

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Kussh Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where is the install fest going to be and at what time? I can make some
> Ubuntu 8.04 CDs but i don't have the ones which come from canonical thru
> shipit.
>

The installfest is at Ramrao Adik Inst. of Tech.,Nerul,3rd Oct,4:00 pm to
5:00 pm.It's a given that List members can make Ubuntu 8.04 CDs,which I can
do myself too because,as mentioned,I do have 28 CDs,the preferable thing is
that the CDs were from ShipIt.

Why we need the CDs is because most of the student of our college are day
scholars and don't own laptops,and I'm skeptical that people would lug their
desktop PCs to Nerul.

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[ILUG-BOM] A request for Ubuntu 8.04/8.04.1 CDs

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hello List,
A few meetings ago,I had mentioned my plans for holding an presentation on
linux which turned into an install fest after consultation with LUG
members.the present situation is that the installfest is scheduled on 3rd of
October and the likely number of participants at the installfest is turning
out to be potentially more than the CDs I have available,which is 28.

ShipIt would take too long a time to send the CDs,therefore,list members who
have an excess of Ubuntu 8.04/8.04.1 CDs,preferably received from
ShipIt,because they will be in the "official" (:P) covers,could you help out
and contribute the excess CDs in your posession for the installfest?

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[ILUG-BOM] [X-POST]Government going all-out to damn privacy in name of terrorism

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hi,
Some recent reports in the daily DNA in Mumbai point to alarming steps being
taken by the government in the name of fighting terror.[1] talks about steps
already in place and [2] is an opinion piece which looks possible
considering the stealthy manner in which [1] has been implemented.I think
the Free Software Community has much to say about this,and influence the
government if possible, with a large enough outcry.

[1]http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1192217&pageid=0
[2]http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1190790&pageid=0

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Reminder: ILUG-BOM September 2008 Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Saurabh Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Did the meeting take place? What was discussed, especially around software
> patents?
>
> Saurabh.

The meeting took place but there was no one competent enough to discuss
Software Patents,so that particular issue was abandoned for this meet.Refer
the minutes at the wiki[1]

[1]http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/21Sep2008

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Request for Xubuntu 8.04.1/8.04

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Prashant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I will be bringing Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu 8.04.1 on USB
>
> maybe even Mint  (gnome and kde) and crunchbag (http://crunchbang.org/)
>

Thanks.

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[ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Request for Xubuntu 8.04.1/8.04

[Easwar Hariharan]

list,
There are two pending requests for Xubuntu 8.04.1/8.04 on the wiki,one is by
myself ;) and one by Ashish Tripathi.Could someone with some spare bandwidth
download the distro for us please(knura,please note :P)?I would be attending
the GLUG-Bom meet on 21st at Powai,so that should be a convenient location
for exchange of media or burning.In case someone has the distro but is not
attending the meet,please contact me off-list.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Making DVDs videos from youtube.com is that possible using KUBUNTU LINUX tools. Is it legal. Use of Kubuntu LINUX to watch "naughty" sites.

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Erach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I noticed that nobody is interested in a secure operating system like
> Kubuntu LINUX (CD-ROM available in 10 weeks by shipping).
>
> But with dual-boot Kubuntu LINUX can one watch any videos and any
> image sites without getting spyware and viruses and ad-ware
> -- that is very serious - some idiots might want
> to turn off google preferences from advanced to "watch everything" and
> then type in "naked mary" or some thing.
>
> On youtube.com can you make DVDs off videos off youtube.com
>
> I mean MTNL is free download at night and some idiot might make a huge
> DVD off videos of youtube.com
>
> Those would show all over the world.
> Of course, uploads by MTNL are free so nice, decent photos and videos
> can be posted for free.
>
> BUT is all this possible using KUBUNTU LINUX or any other linux.
>
> Erach

If these are questions,please put question marks(?) wherever appropriate.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Warning: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - User unknown!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Anurag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/8/20 Amit Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > I'm not getting it and guess others too are not getting it. Maybe your
> >> > smtp server settings have got tampered.
> >>
> >> please check your spam folder
> >>
> >>
> > It is there alright... in the Spam folder. So i guess the entire list
> must
> > be getting it.
>
Not me,even in the spam folder.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Announce: ILUG-BOM August 2008 Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> H!
>
> Date: Sunday, 24th August 2008
> Time: 2:00 - 5:00 PM
> Venue: HBCSE, Mankhurd, Mumbai (Nagarjun/Anurag, please confirm the
> venue booking)
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Programing JavaScript (Subject to speaker's availability - Anurag,
> Please confirm)
>
> 2. Fix mailing list archives search (Namazu)
>
> 3. Add any other required collaboration software on ILUG-BOM server.
>
> 4. Discuss strategy and action plan to oppose and defeat Software
> Patents in India.
>
> More details to follow. Please RSVP on ILUG Wiki.
>
> See you all in great numbers.
> With regards,
> --
> --Dinesh Shah :-)

So we finally have someone in charge of announcing meets,fixing the agenda
without too much of a hassle.Thanks a lot and Keep going.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need Help: Sify Vs Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

sorry for the top post. :(

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need Help: Sify Vs Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

Unless microsoft.com uses something other than port 80,firewall
shouldn't be a problem.

On 8/5/08, Sameep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I posted this a while ago, I am facing a strange problem for the last 15
>> days. I
>> can not browse the Internet though Linux, where as it works well if I do
>> it
>> through the 'now' discarded Windows XP. The problem is sometime Linux does
>>
>> connect me to the Internet. At the same time I can use Pidgin etc and
>> other
>> Bittorent clients to download distros, but cant browse the Internet..
>> Another
>> amazing thing is, while I cannt open any other site, Microsoft.com opens
>> in a
>> second...so what could be the issue?
>
>
> Have you checked your firewall configuration ? Maybe that is blocking it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sameep
>
>
>
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] tataindicom and firefox

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>> +1.I've not experimented with IE though.Another fact is that the
>> router runs i386 Linux,found by running nmap with OS identification
>> against it.
>
> It is busybox; you can telnet into the appliance :)
In this age,shouldn't they be using SSH?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] tataindicom and firefox

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Arun Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 04 Aug 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > has anyone succeeded in paying tatindicom bills through firefox? I
> > click on 'pay' and nothing happens.
> >
>
> I have similar experience with my DLink DSL modem's web management
> interface.  There is a "Save and Reboot" button on one of the pages, in
> FF nothing happens when I click on it whereas in IE it saves the
> changes and reboots the modem.
>
> View>Page Source might be helpful to identify any browser specific
> client side code.

+1.I've not experimented with IE though.Another fact is that the router runs
i386 Linux,found by running nmap with OS identification against it.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Http access to Remastered iso's

[Easwar Hariharan]

And maybe you could tell people requesting access to these ISO's to
leave their  email addresses to prevent them from being
hunted down by spam bots.

Regards,
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Please make this list searchable ---- or put it on yahoo groups / google groups

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Philip Tellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 2008/7/15 Erach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > There are lots of technical questions and answers which are being
> > answered on this list.
> > Can you make this list a searchable list (instead of merely
>
> The list is searchable - we set up namazu to index the list about 5 or
> 6 years ago.  Unless someone has disabled it, it should be available
> on http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/search/linuxers
>
> Anurag, do you know if this is still the case?

The list search still works.Tried it just a few days ago.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lindependence 2008

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Sameep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> An enterprising group has taken on a radical approach in attracting users
> to Linux: switch a whole town! Dubbed "Lindependence 2008"
> (a.k.a. LIN08), this event strives to switch citizens in Felton,
> Calif., for at least a week from Microsoft Windows to Linux. The
> initiative, loosely led by Ken Starks in Austin, Texas, and Larry
> Cafiero in Felton, has taken the idea of introducing normal computer
> users to Linux to screaming heights. By July 28, those in Felton who
> decide to take the plunge will go Microsoft-free for a week or more.


>
>
> http://www.lindependence.net/
>
>
> We need something like this here.. :D
>
Good idea,but we need more advocates and less gurus(read:people who ignore
anything which relates to spreading FOSS) here.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The New FSFI site

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, alpesh gajbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It gives me great pleasure to announce the completely redesigned
> > site of FSF India.
>
The philosophy section in About FSF-I leads back to About FSF-I.No content
on the philosophy,the very least should have been a link to the philosophy
section of http://www.gnu.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> jtd wrote:
> > On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
> >
> >> Mohan Nayaka wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
>  crime.  try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008
>  The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black
>  error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
> 
> >>> Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
> >>>
> >> Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The
> >> installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not
> >> find anything like that even on the Debian packages site.
> >>
> >
> > try backports.org.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I already have backports repos in apt but I will check it out again.
>
If you plan to install FF 3.0 from backports,it's not,I believe of any
use,refer my previous mail,it doesn't work on Ubuntu 8.04,which I believe is
based on Sid.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM, jtd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote:
> > Mohan Nayaka wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> crime.  try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008
> > >> The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black
> > >> error saying it only opens in IE 6 and
> > >
> > > Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5
>
Doesn't work with FF 3.0 Final Version.Working on Ubuntu 8.04.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Visit to Mumbai

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Sudhir Gandotra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Friends at Mumbai LUG,
>
> I will be in Mumbai from 28th June morning till 2nd July noon.
>
> I was wondering if there is any meeting of the LUG during this time so
> that I can participate there.
>
> If not, and if there is any informal meeting happening or if some of us
> can meet somewhere (except for sunday 29th, when I have meetings from
> morning till 7 pm), it would be great.
>
> This is just to explore an opportunity to meet and may be to discuss
> some useful ideas for the future actions.
>
> I will be reachable through email and my cell phones.
>
You missed the meet by 6 days. :P

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> > Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and
> not
> > care about standards,openness or anything.
> People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working
> since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those
> accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As
> technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows
> them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration.

Well,I never expected those users to close their accounts and stop trading
shares to switch to FOSS.I agree with you that as techies,we have to provide
the golden mean,but the point is based on a notion that I(or we,in case you
are generalising) expected them to give up their accounts and trading so
that they could switch to FOSS(mistaken notion,I might add)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Easwar Hariharan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and
> not
> > care about standards,openness or anything.If they don't work,he *might*
> ,at
> > the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform
> Mozilla,and
> > we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.
> >
>
> Well we don't need to complain about standards compliance per-say...
> Firefox could simply complain that "the designer has made the site
> incorrectly and that it may be error prone and hence unsafe to use" or
> something to that effect.
>
> 'Hall of Shame' really doesn't make much difference to most website
> designers.


Well,what you said about supporting and informing users about the ineptness
constitutes of a Hall of Fame.Assuming that Mozilla actually does intervene
in the case of broken websites,that intervention goes directly to the web
developer and he's seized of the problem.

Perhaps a browser that can put up with their crap as well
> as educate users about their ineptness may change things a bit.
>
> That said, most designes also tend to get away with it by saying,
> "Don't worry, the site is perfectly fine. It seems to be a bug in
> Firefox. See, it works fine in IE". So in that case, it could be a
> not-so-good idea to support the crap...

+1. :)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > even if you have a legal copy of windows, it is still illegal to
> > install IE on linux. Please read the IE EULA.
> >
>
> Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;)
>
> Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/ browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a
> compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same
> time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who
> doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the
> IE way of doing javascript, not activex.

Probably because,then the user won't care,since he can do his work and not
care about standards,openness or anything.If they don't work,he *might* ,at
the minimum,use Firefox's Report Broken Website dialog to inform Mozilla,and
we can thus reduce the number of IE-only sites out there.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> To experiment for a client who may move to GNU/Linux, I installed wine
> in my Debian Etch but its default IE would open only a blank naked
> window. So uncle google gave me this nice site that helps you install
> Internet Explorer for GNU/Linux.
>
> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation

Don't mind,but that's old news.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:37 PM, km <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 AM, km <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced
> >> > to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
> >>
> >> or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on
> >> GNU/Linux!
> >
> > Quite opposite actually,CSS and Hald-Life,WoW play with better frame
> rates
> > in GNU/Linux than Doze.
>
> err.. CS!
> aah! i am not aware if that can be done.. i am sure at least half of the
> gaming
> population in my area would shift over to GNU/Linux if that can be done! :)

Through wine of course.

http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Steam&back=HOWTO+INDEX+Wine+Games

I think this one is basically a mirror:
http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/02/07/wine-gaming-steam-half-life-half-life-2-counter-strike-source-and-16/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 AM, km <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced
> > to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
>
> or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on
> GNU/Linux!

Quite opposite actually,CSS and Hald-Life,WoW play with better frame rates
in GNU/Linux than Doze.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CD Wanted:openSUSE 11.0

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Arun Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Just wanted to ask whether someone could bring a CD(DVD?) of openSUSE
> > 11.0 to tomorrow's meet?Terms of exchange are Cost of Media or Media
> > provided.Thanks in advance.
>
> and nothing for the person to take the trouble to bring you a copy?

Thanks is not enough?? :( ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> jtd wrote:
> >>
> >>> In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with
> >>> doze is the simple workable option.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really
> >> don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new
> >> ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about
> >> the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and
> >> virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard,
> >> they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their
> >> path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that
> >> this would not have happened if they used FOSS.
> >>
> >
> > Prolly,if they see you around regularly,they might remember to ask you
> about
> > "that FOSS thing you keep talking about" :)This is just a random
> > thought,because I honestly don't know how frequently your users see/meet
> > you.
> >
> >
> They hardly see me because as a service provider, it is my
> responsibility to keep their systems up and running with minimum
> breakdowns. I cannot be in many places at the same time so their systems
> have to be running smoothly.

Most of them are enterprise people?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> jtd wrote:
> >
> > In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with
> > doze is the simple workable option.
> >
> Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really
> don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new
> ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about
> the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and
> virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard,
> they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their
> path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that
> this would not have happened if they used FOSS.

Prolly,if they see you around regularly,they might remember to ask you about
"that FOSS thing you keep talking about" :)This is just a random
thought,because I honestly don't know how frequently your users see/meet
you.

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[ILUG-BOM] CD Wanted:openSUSE 11.0

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hi,
Just wanted to ask whether someone could bring a CD(DVD?) of openSUSE 11.0
to tomorrow's meet?Terms of exchange are Cost of Media or Media
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meet on 22nd July at CAMP,Bandra W

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > To cut out the clutter on the discussion thread.
> >
> > Meeting details:
> > http://www.glug-bom.org
> > Mapped Directions:
> > http://camputer.org/directions.html
> > Timing:
> > 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm.
> >
> Please remove my name from the agenda.

That's to be done by site administrator.BTW,I found an erro,it should be
22nd Jun,not 22nd Jul.  ]:-(

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from
> Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will
> do the job to get to National College.
>
>

> Look for buses from Kurla Stn. That will leave you fresh for the meet.

I also found that 422 goes direct to Bandra from Mulund.Can't be fresher
than that.:)

>Easwar can do the third part of the agenda.
I don't have ANY experience,let alone positive.So,I got nothing to talk
about,either,atleast nothing on Supporting end-users.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from
> Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will
> do the job to get to National College.
>
>

> Look for buses from Kurla Stn. That will leave you fresh for the meet.

I also found that 422 goes direct to Bandra from Mulund.Can't be fresher
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[ILUG-BOM] Meet on 22nd July at CAMP,Bandra W

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hi,
To cut out the clutter on the discussion thread.

Meeting details:
http://www.glug-bom.org
Mapped Directions:
http://camputer.org/directions.html
Timing:
2:00 pm to 5:00 pm.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

And hopefully,MuktTracks are going to be distributed at the meet?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:25:29PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
> > So the agenda looks like this -
> >
> > 1. Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
> > 2. End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita
> Mukherjee
> > 3. Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
> >
> > How is the above agenda?
>
> I can get the ogg theora file of Big Buck Bunny, if people are
> interested. I may just be able to finish the DVD download too. It is
> 7.7GB, so if people are interested I can get it along.

Sure,why not.We do have a projector available.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Vipul Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I guess apologies are in order.There was no mail forthcoming at 2pm about
> a
> > Yes/No,so we decided on Bandra.Apologies again.
>
> Hey I wasn't looking for any apologies, sorry if my mail sounded like that.
> :-)
>
> As I said, the bookings here took longer than I anticipated (and far
> longer than necessary). So it was good that we all decided quickly on
> an alternate venue.
>
> Just a request, please make a clear announcement now in a fresh thread
> so that the actual venue is not buried deep in this thread :-)

Actually,the meet has been put up on the main page of the website,just
announced by Anurag.So,no need for a new thread.But we might need to add the
directions to either the website/just wait for Sanjay to put up his
GoogleMaps.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] New website!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Anurag,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Anurag <> wrote:
>> > Please have a look at our rewritten homepage -
>> > http://www.glug-bom.org/ and send in your feedback/suggestions for
>> > improvement. I intended to make this a good event/minutes management
>> > application for any users group. Many thanks to Roshan for sitting
>> > whole night and creating the events and pasting minutes.
>> >
>> > the sources are available at:
>> > http://svn.xinh.org/svn/ilugbom/trunk/
>>
>> Please correct the Venue. It's not happening @ HBCSE. :-(
>>
> The page r0cks!!!Three cheers for all who did the mehnat.

Somehow I can login to the wiki,but not the main site.We are supposed to use
the same username and password for both,isn't it?
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] New website!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anurag,
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Anurag <> wrote:
> > Please have a look at our rewritten homepage -
> > http://www.glug-bom.org/ and send in your feedback/suggestions for
> > improvement. I intended to make this a good event/minutes management
> > application for any users group. Many thanks to Roshan for sitting
> > whole night and creating the events and pasting minutes.
> >
> > the sources are available at:
> > http://svn.xinh.org/svn/ilugbom/trunk/
>
> Please correct the Venue. It's not happening @ HBCSE. :-(
>
The page r0cks!!!Three cheers for all who did the mehnat.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Vipul Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh... looks like all my room booking and running around and taking
> permissions went in vain?
>
> Are people fixed on Bandra now? Is the IITB venue still required or
> should I cancel the request?
>
> One request: Please freeze the venue well in advance. (Who is the
> "official meeting announcer" these days?)
>
> I guess this didn't happen for some reasons this time around. I
> remember past meetings of this and other LUGs where people reached two
> different venues, resulting in a lot of confusion.
>
> As for the KReSIT, IITB venue, it turns out that one requires
> "official" approval these days from the powers-that-be in the CSE
> department. So things take a bit longer than they used-to earlier.
> Hence last-minute arrangements may not be possible.

I guess apologies are in order.There was no mail forthcoming at 2pm about a
Yes/No,so we decided on Bandra.Apologies again.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sanjay B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, June 20, 2008 3:37 pm, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> >>
> >> onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is
> >> opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue
> >> Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just
> >> opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second
> >> floor,
> >> no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) )
> >> My phone no. is 9322250246 .
> >> The postal address:
> >> 23, Surya Kiran,
> >> Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant,
> >> 14th Road,
> >> Bandra (W).
> >
> > Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?
> >
> So if you're taking a bus, the closest stop would be National College on
> Linking Road - sorry I can't dig up the exact nos. right now . You can
> also take buses to either S.V. Road Bandra, Bandra Station or Bandra Talao
> and walk a bit / take a rickshaw from there. The landmark you're looking
> for is probably National College, everyone should know it - the KFC is
> just down the road from there, and then directions as above. I'll try and
> post a list of bus nos. that come to the area .. the mumbai navigator site
> seems to be down right now : (. Where are you coming from .. ?

Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from
Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will
do the job to get to National College.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is
> opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue
> Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just
> opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor,
> no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) )
> My phone no. is 9322250246 .
> The postal address:
> 23, Surya Kiran,
> Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant,
> 14th Road,
> Bandra (W).

Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
> > Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm
> > preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for
> > opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism.
>
> Great! This is 4th item in agenda!

This was already in the agenda,only it was drowned out with only occasional
reminders by myself.Actually,it was a byproduct of Nagarjuna Sir's thoughts
at the last meet that,since the problems being solved by the GLUG on the
list are no longer of the form like "Sound is not working","X won't accept
max refresh rate",etc ,it shows that GNU/Linux is mature enough to be go out
of the hobbyist domain.It already has,for that matter.

Whatever,the main issue is that Sir was saying that the GLUG should now be
more involved in spreading the philosophy and culture of GNU/Linux.

> Sanjay, Can you please post the details of the venue offered by you
> with confirmation?

So,I believe Bandra has been finalised.Whoever plans to attend,please post
your names to the RSVP.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> 
>
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm
preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for
opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> H!
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur <> wrote:
> >
> > Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just
> > trying to cover all the possibilities.
>
> How about freezing on Bandra? We already have an offer for hosting.

True,but how many people are coming and where do they live?Better to choose
a venue which is easily reachable by majority considering megablocks and
all.

>
>
> Also, Ms. Chhandita Mukherjee from Comet Media NGO would like to speak
> about the end-user experience and challenges faced by the GNU/Linux
> users/adopters.
>
> Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux
> Service/Support Provider?
>
> So the agenda looks like this -
>
> 1. Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
> 2. End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee
> 3. Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
>
> How is the above agenda?

Agenda is good.I can contribute my draft presentations in the session by Ms.
Chhandita.

>
>
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Vipul Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>  Can IIT be a possible venue?
> >>
> >> I will check. Please go ahead with other plans if I don't mail before
> >> 6pm on Jun19.
> >
> > I have given a request to the office here for booking a meeting space
> > (in the familiar KReSIT, IITB venue). Will update here with approval
> > status of the request soon.
>
> Looks like I will get a confirmation only by 2pm tomorrow. Timing 2pm
> to 5pm sounds ok for the meeting right? How many people are we
> expecting?

Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just
trying to cover all the possibilities.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Smart kiosks as an extention to manned counters.

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since quite some time, the Railways has introduced smart cards that can
> be used on touch screen kiosks to book tickets with varying choices like
> destination, single/return, number of adults/children and class of
> travel. The card costs only Rs.100/- and you get a free initial usage of
> Rs. 50/-. It is a pure cash card with no ID or papers required and is
> purchased across the counter. To recharge it, simply pay amounts like
> 50/-, 100/- upto 500/- and you get it recharged across the counter.
>
> I find this technology has tremendous potential for use in various Govt.
> as well as private organizations where there are long queues on manned
> counters. For example bill payments for MTNL, BEST. The Post Office is
> another department that would benefit very much from this. Multiple PO
> kiosks inside the PO could offer services like stamps, money-order as
> well as registered letters. Just like the current manned counters, you
> simply enter the sender and destination address and 2 identical sticker
> labels with bar codes will pop out. One is to be pasted on the letter
> and the other is the sender's copy. A smart plate on top of the machine
> can be the weighing scale for determining the postage as per the weight
> of the letter/parcel. The letter/parcel is then dropped inside a
> designated box. An extra feature would be to optically scan the movement
> of the letter inward as proof of dropping. This kiosk can also be placed
> in banks and enterprising shops who can be givensay 5% of all
> earnings through that kiosk. so now the Post Office is not far away but
> right near your home and the Postal Dept. does not have to invest in
> land or office manpower to extend its reach. The same technology can be
> used by courier companies too. MTNL's telephone exchanges too can use
> these kiosks for bill payments and adding/removing extra services to
> their subscription like changing plans, enabling CLIP. The kiosks can be
> linked with wireless networking so that it is immune to cable problems.
> So any office that experiences long queues for payments can take
> advantage of this technology.
>
+1 to all the above.IIRC,this link was posted in relation to this earlier:

http://www.linux.com/feature/132871
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Sanjay B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, June 17, 2008 1:17 pm, Mehul Ved wrote:
> > On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
> >> Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
>
> Are we still looking for a space for the meet? Am happy to offer our space
> in Bandra where we run CAMP (http://camputer.org) - is just off linking
> road in bandra fairly close to Bandra and Khar rly. stations. Has
> wireless, power, etc. and could host 10-15 people comfortably - but upto
> 25 should be okay.
>
> This thread is a bit confusing and wasn't sure if the space has been
> figured or not.

It has not been figured out yet.Candidates eliminated were HBCSE,FossLab and
the CCD in Bandra.Can IIT be a possible venue?

> Let me know if we're still looking, and I can post
> detailed address, directions and a nicer welcome : P.
>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet (was Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 15)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
> > Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
>
> Will the trains on the harbour line be running at around 2 p.m.?
>
Assuming HBCSE is not available to us,what are other possible
venues.Also,wherever it is,we need to get the MuktTracks to be brought there
to be distributed among attendees.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help Needed for Hindi Typiing in Ubuntu

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
>
> Thanks Eshwar,

Easwar.

> but he says that in Windows he could use Alt+ number keys to generate some
> character, could that be done in Ubuntu?
>
> Thanks in advance.

I honestly don't know,because I've typed in Hindi only for a lark and only
on Ubuntu and not on Windows.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help Needed for Hindi Typiing in Ubuntu

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have installed GNU/Linux Ubuntu on the PC of one of the senior science
> writers. He was using Windows earlier. Now he is facing some problems using
> a feature of Windows Character Map, wherein he could assign a key to type
> particular alphabet in Shusha Font.
>
> He uses OpenOffice to type his article in Hindi.
>
> If I failed to help him out he might go back to Windows which I don't want
> and which will discourage others to take Linux. Could someone please help?

System>>Administration>>Language Support.Enable Hindi.The phonetic type of
input should allow him to learn how to type in Hindi easily.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mehul Ved wrote:
> > On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:05:33PM +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> >
> >> Are there frequently used venues around Dadar?Fits me being on the
> Central
> >> line at Mulund.
> >>
> >> I think it's better that it be indoors.
> >>
> >
> > I'd prefer an outdoor one at some place like 5 gardens or shivaji park
> > since I like rain :p
> > Well if we want some place around Dadar then there's a CCD near the
> > station, if the number's small enough as I expect it to be i.e. 5-6
> > people then it should do well.
> >
> >
> What about VJTI FOSS lab?

No probs,but can it take more than 5-6 people?I doubt it.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:05:33PM +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > Are there frequently used venues around Dadar?Fits me being on the
> Central
> > line at Mulund.
> >
> > I think it's better that it be indoors.
>
> I'd prefer an outdoor one at some place like 5 gardens or shivaji park
> since I like rain :p

Problem is we don't want anyone to get sick with exposure to rain or
something with the BMC doing a very good job[sic] of controlling
epidemics,eh?

>
> Well if we want some place around Dadar then there's a CCD near the
> station, if the number's small enough as I expect it to be i.e. 5-6
> people then it should do well.

We can't count on the number being small,the Murphy's law will come into
effect.When you expect lots of people,very few do come in,while when there's
no hype,many people will turn up.:D

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 08:56:29PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
> > Can we finalize venue and agenda?
>
> Somewhere around Dadar/Bandra should suit me the best, if it's OK for
> others. And I believe Harbour Line is blocked during that time period so
> that will be out, I presume.

Are there frequently used venues around Dadar?Fits me being on the Central
line at Mulund.

>
> And are we looking for indoor venue, or will outdoors do? Considering it
> can rain at any time.

I think it's better that it be indoors.

>
>
> > Also considering the Mumbai weather, let us keep the meeting @ 2:00 and
> > close it by 5:00 PM.
>
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[ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]FOSS CDs in Libraries

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hi,
http://www.linux.com/feature/134393

Sounds interesting,could we start something like this in our educational
institutions?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Easwar Hariharan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We have a tie,me and Siddhesh voting for 22nd,while Kartik and Dinesh
> vote
> > for 15th.looks like no one else is attending. :P
>
> I wanted to meet Siddhesh specially regarding 'ayttm' development :P
> But, I am not in town after 16th :(
>
> Thats why, I suggested 15th.

My exams are on and end on 19th,that's why I suggested 20th,which being a
weekday was postponed to 22nd.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> re-hijacking the thread... when is the meet then, 15th or 22nd?
> /me votes for 22nd.
>
We have a tie,me and Siddhesh voting for 22nd,while Kartik and Dinesh vote
for 15th.looks like no one else is attending. :P

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> H! Kartik,
>
> On 6/8/08, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can I have answer of the question in topic? Is there any lug meet on
> > 15th. I am in town, so want to meet people :)
>
>
> It seems that meet is moving to 22nd June. But if there are many takers, we
> would like to move it to 15th
>
> Please show your hand for 15th and/or 22nd. :-)


22nd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 08-Jun-08, at 1:19 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>  Could we do things with GPS enabled phones which are available in
> >>> India?Something which is widely available,like the N-series which
> >>> is widely
> >>> available,but I don't know whether it's GPS enabled.
> >>>
> >> question is whether they are enabled to log - like the openmoko.
> >> Enabled just to show position is not much use for creating content
> >>
> >
> > That's exactly what I said earlier,quoted below.If they are not
> enabled,we
> > will have to write the software to enable them.
> >
> >> That means we could,potentially,contribute to freemap with >GPS enabled
> >>
> > cell phones if we had a way to *record* the >position(and co-ordinates)of
> > landmarks
> >
> Nokia's N82 has a mapping service but its not accurate as it uses cell
> towers to approximate location. I had even installed google maps in it
> and it shows an approximate location of your phone.

That's the latest model which is out.(and most expensive too,AFAIK)Cell
towers are not accurate,I find networks of three towers in my hall,of which
one is 2 km away but still gets into my hall since it is situated at a
higher altitude.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > That's the latest model which is out.(and most expensive too,AFAIK)Cell
> > towers are not accurate,I find networks of three towers in my hall,of
> which
> > one is 2 km away but still gets into my hall since it is situated at a
> > higher altitude.
>
> Can I have answer of the question in topic? Is there any lug meet on
> 15th. I am in town, so want to meet people :)

Nopes,its on 22nd.Where is not yet decided.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 08-Jun-08, at 1:19 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
>
> >  Could we do things with GPS enabled phones which are available in
> > India?Something which is widely available,like the N-series which
> > is widely
> > available,but I don't know whether it's GPS enabled.
>
> question is whether they are enabled to log - like the openmoko.
> Enabled just to show position is not much use for creating content

That's exactly what I said earlier,quoted below.If they are not enabled,we
will have to write the software to enable them.
>That means we could,potentially,contribute to freemap with >GPS enabled
cell phones if we had a way to *record* the >position(and co-ordinates)of
landmarks

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

 Could we do things with GPS enabled phones which are available in
India?Something which is widely available,like the N-series which is widely
available,but I don't know whether it's GPS enabled.

Also,the other point on the agends:spreading linux
I plan to deliver 2 seminars on Linux at my college,for which I would be
creating two presentations.I plan to bring them along for suggestions and
constructive criticism,also to learn from seminars other might have
attended/delivered.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> the script converts the output from the device to gpx format - for
> any other device, gpsbabel is available

That means we could,potentially,contribute to freemap with GPS enabled cell
phones if we had a way to *record* the position(and co-ordinates)of
landmarks like the device which will be distributed does.So,if we don't want
progress on freemap to be restricted by the number of devices[I'm going to
call this device MuktTrack] available,we need a software which can be
installed on cell phones and records co-ordinates,eh?Then we get the output
of that software and convert it to gpx by either this script or
gpsbabel,whichever is applicable.Comments please.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 07-Jun-08, at 11:29 AM, jtd wrote:
>
> >> Nagarjuna in a day or two.
> >>
> >
> > Kenneth Gonsalves has written some python stuff (besides doing beta
> > testing at his cost - thanks KG) to load everything to openstreetmaps
> > and will be putting it up for others to use :)
>
> the script converts sparc format to gpx format which is being
> accepted by osm. Should be up for download by this evening
>
Can it be used without the device we are speaking about?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easwar,
>
> On 6/6/08, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
> >  > Venue?
> >  > Agenda?
> >  > RSVP?
> >
> >
> > 20th Jun please?
>
> 20th June is Friday, a working day. Do you think many people will be
> able to attend?
>
> How about 22nd June?

No probs.

>
>
> >  HBCSE?
>
> If we could not find any other venue, sure we will converge @ HBCSE.

What are other alternative locations?Depending on the people who are
coming,we could choose a place closer to the suburbs or the city.
I'm from Mulund.

>
>
> >  Spreading Linux carrying forward from the last session which dealt with
> the
> >  EEE-PC.
> >  Also,following up with the Free-Map effort?Nagarjuna Sir had informed us
> >  that there would be some devices available which we could use to record
> >  landmarks and thus create FreeMap.
>
>Devices are ready and under final testing. Will be delivered to >Dr.
Nagarjuna in a day or two.

Thanks,JTD.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ILUG-BOM Meet on 15th June?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> H! LUGers,
>
> How about a LUG meet on 15th June 2008?
>
> Venue?
> Agenda?
> RSVP?

20th Jun please?
HBCSE?
Spreading Linux carrying forward from the last session which dealt with the
EEE-PC.
Also,following up with the Free-Map effort?Nagarjuna Sir had informed us
that there would be some devices available which we could use to record
landmarks and thus create FreeMap.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Thank You, South Africa !!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Praveen A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/5/24 Praveen A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > "The national body of South Africa (SABS), as a P member of JTC 1,
> > hereby submits an appeal against the outcome of the fast track
> > processing of DIS 29500 Office open XML.
>
> Brazil followed South Africa in standing upto ISO sellout.
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080529202924937
>
> I hope some more will follow. One quote from the letter, showing what
> happened at BRM as a clear picture.
>
> "Brazil has tried to present this proposal, during the debates, on the
> first day of the meeting and, attending to a request made by the
> convenor, Brazil has taken offline discussions with USA and other
> delegations and prepared its proposal to be presented on Friday,
> during USA proposal presentation. On Friday, when USA ended their part
> of presentation and asked for Brazil to present its part of it, the
> convenor denied this opportunity to Brazilian delegation.
>
> Several delegations has protested against that arbitrary decision, but
> those appeal was in vain and until the end of the BRM, the Brazilian
> delegation was not able to present its proposal. The main reason
> alleged by the convenor was "lack of time"."
>
And it seems our efforts bore fruit.India has filed an appeal
too.Yoohoo!It's been put up as an update in the article mentioned by Praveen
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Thank You, South Africa !!

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
> This was the letter I sent.
>
> Dear Sir,
>
>  I request you to consider supporting The South African Standards
> Body's (SABS) appeal against OOXML approval [1] by ISO/IEC considering
> the fact that we have decided not to approve it and we have raised
> concerns about effectiveness of the ballot resolution process [2].
> This would help to bring back the lost credibility of ISO and
> standardisation process in general after the approval of OOXML.
>
> A quote from the letter SABS submited highlights the issue clearly:
>
> "We believe that there is an important question of principle involved
> and that the reputation of ISO/IEC is indeed at stake. There has been
> speculation about the need to revise the directives around fast track
> processing. While such revision might indeed be necessary, we cannot
> accept the outcome of a process in which the existing directives have
> not, in our opinion, been applied."
>
> I hope we will support the courage and leadership shown by South
> Africa in standing up for the values that ISO stands for.
>
> Regards
> Praveen
> Technology Consultant
> #91, 12th cross, 1st Main
> Bharathi Layout
> DRC Post
> SG Palya
> Bengaluru 560029

That's cool too.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Thank You, South Africa !!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Chetan S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Logged my mail with BIS  :)
>
> Feels good ( do they read the mails ? )
>
> regards,
> Chetan.
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Chetan S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Honestly I found the text a little tough to read -
> >
> > M'be the following looks better ( similar content ) ?
> >
> > Considering that India has quite responsibly voted NO after considerable
> > deliberation it was unfortunate that the standard was passed due to
> rather
> > questionable efforts of vested commercial interests.
> >
> > I request you to consider aiding and supporting South Africa's appeal
> > against the Microsoft sponsored standard OOXML which raises valid
> > questions on the credibility of the followed process with regards -
> >
> > 1. The last minute "stuffing" of committees by voters, mostly Microsoft
> partners
> > 2. The outrageous discounting of questions raised by heads of committees
> > of members countries.
> > 3. The purposeful wrong recording of NO votes as YES votes.
> >
> > Once again,I request you to aid South Africa's appeal in the interest of
> > freedom of information so rightly upheld by India.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Chetan Shringarpure
> > Mumbai 400081
> > Member,GNU/Linux Users Group of Bombay.
> >
>
You are in Mulund E,I guess.I deliberately avoided pointing fingers at M$ in
the doubt(fear?) that they may dismiss it as another zealot mail.I was
trying to sound sober and cool and calculated.Your letter doesn't sound bad
either,maybe a mix of mine and yours could give just the right feel of
"josh"+concern(sober and calculated).More comments please.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora 9 DVD

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Yesudeep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Vinod Raghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> >
> >
> > every one
> >
> >
> > Does any one have  fedora  9 DVD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vinod Raghavan.
> > Mumbai
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > --
> > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
> >
>
> Yeah, I have the Fedora 9 DVDs available here too.  If you're anywhere near
> Mulund, I can get you
> a copy for only the distribution fee (i.e the price of a DVD).

Nopes,he's not,he's at BARC.But I am! :)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VFS: Cannot open root device "" or unknown-block (253, 0)

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Agnello George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi
> I am trying to install Cent OS 5 on a freshly formatted HDD. When boot
> my system frm the CD rom  i get e following error
>
> "crc error
> VFS: Cannot open root device "" or  unknown-block (253,0)
> plese append a correct "root=" boot optiion
> kernel panic -not syncing: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on
> unknow-block (253,0) "
>
>
> never faced such a issue before if can one can help , would be really
> grateful
>

http://www.computerhope.org/issues/ch000430.htm

Google is your friend.:)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sunday Meet I am Waiting For It!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:38:01PM +0530, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > May I ask what is the ending time of the meet?Or is it when quorum is
> > reduced to a sufficiently  small number?
>
> Till the experiments and discussions go on. If short on time you can
> come for installation of ubuntu which should happen in short span of an
> hour or two.
> And if you're worried about your studies, get your books along :p


Nopes,I'm more bothered about whether I can have lunch at home. :p
Actually,I got class at Vashi,so needed to know whether I would have to go
direct without touching home base.


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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sunday Meet I am Waiting For It!

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM, PenguinPuPPy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sure It will be a pleasure to meet after a long time ..I was waiting for a
> meet since a long time what could be a better excuse that the ASUS
> Eee PC.BTY i have Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 beta will get them on Sunday
> --
> To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy
> --
>  

May I ask what is the ending time of the meet?Or is it when quorum is
reduced to a sufficiently  small number?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Mini Laptops

[Easwar Hariharan]

Hi,
Adding myself to RSVP for Sunday meet.Hope to meet all who said Yes. ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Cross Posting] How the corrupt ones manipulate things

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Before OOXML gets the formal ISO approval, can one last effort be made
> to force OOXML to be open without NDA?
>
NDA?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Cross Posting] How the corrupt ones manipulate things

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Sudhir Gandotra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is clear that they have manipulated and won an important round. Now,
> the only way is to make some Government/s appeal in the matter within 60
> days, otherwise, the corrupt one wins this game.
>
> It may be worth trying an effort (in the form of a strong-focused
> campaign) wherein Linux users come together (virtually, to begin with)
> and educate various Governments. It will be a worthy cause to make this
> effort and also we test the strength of the community (with a view to
> improve it further as a result of this test).
> We need our world to be ours and we need to take it away from the
> corrupt ones. Shall we begin?


We shall.What should we do?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] should I use ubuntu 64 bit with a t5500 core2 intel processor?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM, krishnakant Mane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> thanks easwar.
> my doubt however is that will it make any difference in performance.
> as you said it is not completely 64 bit but supports both.
> so will there be any advantage of using 64 bit ubuntu?
> I booted the live cd and all hardware works flawlessly.
> regards.
> Kk

It will,look to this aggregation of links.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368607

Actually,it supports both,so it would be incorrect to say it's not
completely 64-bit.It works in 64-bit when you run a 64-bit OS.

I'm myself eagerly awaiting the release of 8.04 so that I can change to
64-bit(Pentium D 2.80 GHz).Performance wise,there will be a slight (maybe
quite noticeable) increase in speed.Plus,it can address more than 4 GB of
RAM,yes If I Remember Correctly,that was the figure.Check out the link,it
makes the perfect case for switching.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Rony Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Kartik Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:10:56 +0530
> > Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > |Sorry but you didn't get it. GNU is a concept, an ideology, not just an
> > |operating system.
>

In this context,GNU was being referred as an OS,not as a concept or
ideology.You can't load a concept or ideology on a computer,can you? ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] should I use ubuntu 64 bit with a t5500 core2 intel processor?

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:59 PM, krishnakant Mane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> hello,
> this is not really directly related to accessibility but perhaps may
> be a problem as such.
> I have a machine with intel core2 duo (sentrino ) t5500 processor with
> 1.6 ghz/2 specification.
> is this a genuan 64 bit processor?
> should I use ubuntu 64 bit with all t5500 core2 processors for optimul
> performance?


I guess this is the relevant link:

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9SH

Basically,your processor supports 64 bit operation thanks to the EM64T
technology.It's not completely 64 bit,rather it supports both 32 bit and 64
bit operation.You can use Ubuntu 64 bit provided the rest of your hardware
works which you can check out with the Live CD.Which I believe is completely
unnecessary for ME to tell YOU. *smiley*

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Debarshi Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> >> We work around it but is the BIOS not the culprit in such cases? I am
> >> not saying that GNU won't load on these machines.
>
> > GNU will not load on *any* machine - you need a kernel for that
>
> As a matter of fact, GNU *does* load, and I happen to use a couple of
> such machines.

You didn't get it,Kenneth is differentiating between GNU which is the
Application layer and Linux which is the kernel,but now let's not get into
flamewar territory.

I got only one entry:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg|grep MSFT
[0.00] ACPI: DSDT (v001 ATIAWRDACPI 0x1000 MSFT 0x010e)
@ 0x
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

What does that mean?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Vista Simplified

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Read the interesting article on Vista.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIM&login=default&Enter=true&Skin=TOI&GZ=T&AW=1205420807906
> >>
> >> Click on broadband and navigate to page 25
> >>
> >>
> > Kinda stale news,the entire packet of internal MS docs are all over the
> > Net,thanks to /.
> > In PDF,no less,so everyone can read them,all 350 pages odd of them.
> >
> >
> Did you read all the 350 pages?

Nopes,I didn't.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Vista Simplified

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Read the interesting article on Vista.
>
>
> http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIM&login=default&Enter=true&Skin=TOI&GZ=T&AW=1205420807906
>
> Click on broadband and navigate to page 25
>
Kinda stale news,the entire packet of internal MS docs are all over the
Net,thanks to /.
In PDF,no less,so everyone can read them,all 350 pages odd of them.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]: Old Hardware recycling

[Easwar Hariharan]

All,
>
> I have an old CD-ROM and a non-functional CD-Writer, which fails
> invariably and tends to freeze my system randomly.
>
> Are there locations in Mumbai, which recycle this ? Or could it be put
> to some other good use (the motor for rotating the wheels of a robot
> car?)

If you don't get any other place to recycle them,I would want the lasers and
the motors,basically the drives. :)

>
>
> Similarly, I have a few CDs which cannot be used any longer. (few old
> Ubuntu CDs). How can they be recycled, if they can be at all.

Give 'em to the autorickshaw drivers. Rather,first post which versions they
are...

>
>
> A few months ago, I did search for a few on justdial dot com and queried
> them over email (since they listed it). However, I haven't got any
> response from anyone, hence the query to the list.
>
> This has nothing to do with FOSS, but I hope, I haven't digressed too
> far.

It does,a small part of FOSS also includes not having to buy new hardware
for new versions of operating systems.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Gentoo refuses to boot.

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Easwar Hariharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 1:26 AM, osric fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6, 2008 11:21 PM, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
> > > On Feb 6, 2008 10:48 PM, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
> > 
> > > > Ideally, figure out where genkernel stores its kernel config and do
> > a grep
> > > > -i
> > > > ata on it and send us the output.
> > 
> > > 3]Now,what's that?I need to know what I'm looking for before I run out
> > in
> > > search of it.
> >
> > Genkernel looks for the default kernel configuration in the file
> > /usr/share/genkernel/x86/kernel-config-2.6
>
>  Nope,there's no folder for genkernel in /usr/share,let alone for x86 or
> the file you mentioned that is kernel-config-2.6 Looks like you hit the
> problem on it's head.
>
> @Rony
> Not only admin and packages,but kernel hacking is also a long time goal I
> have.
> @All
> That said,I would still like a working install before I jump off into the
> deep end.
> @Mehul
> I will try that and get back to you.

That didn't work out.Actually,I tried it a long time ago,but haven't had the
memory to post to the list when I posted about other
stuff.Profuselyapologize to entire list for the delay.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Bluetooth Support Linux

[Easwar Hariharan]

>
>
> Thanks! As per your tip, I got the 'Enter' bluetooth device. Rates
> appear to have gone up and the lowest price I got was 225/- from
> Benley's Infotech in Tara Temple Lane in Lam. Road. Everyone else quotes
> from 250/- to 350/-.
>
> The device works in Linux and after some trial and error, got
> KDEbluetooth working. My phones get detected and even some folders and
> music files are visible but image folders show no files.
>
> Looks like I will have to do some more R&D on the software side.
>
I might buy one dongle too if a new phone I'm planning to buy is not
compatible with *nix or *nix refuses to mount/recognise it.

Just one question:
Where do you plug it in?Into the USB slot?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux on laptops: furthering the cause

[Easwar Hariharan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nishit Dave wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>  Wine requires a legal copy of Windows.
> >>
> >
> > Is it so?  You perhaps meant it is required for Wine developers. Read
> > this: http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ
> > and
> > http://www.winehq.org/site/myths - read #4 specifically
> >
> If you use even a single dll or other file from Windows, you need to use
> a legal copy. If wine runs independently of any dose files then no
> problem. What I recollect was that it needed a few dll files or would
> work on an installed windows partition. Maybe wine has come a long way.
>
It has,it doesn't NEED native dlls but native dll CAN be used(for which as
you mentioned,a legal copy of Doze is required)which MIGHT(usually does)
improve performance.

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