Re: Lisa won't stay off (was Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive)
Le 12 nov. 05, à 00:33, James MacPhail a écrit : This was an aside to another problem, so it looks like it didn't get any attention: when I switch the Lisa off, it goes off then on immediately. I have seen a couple of causes for this problem, ones that come to mind are: 1) Damaged (broken) traces on the I/O Board due to corrosion from leaking batteries. After removing battery, and cleaning as much as I can the board, it's OK ! I also clean all socket. Great ! More over, I test second second board (Cage, CPU, IO, 2 RAM Card and one // card) and it's working also :happy:. This second board as a different ROM version (H/A8) athough the first one is D/A8. Is there any real differences ? Which one is better ? When started with the H/A8 board, the Lisa will only ask to boot on drive 2, although it let choose Drive 1 (which does'nt exist ?) and Drive 2. Both Profile start on MacOs. *but* despite all my effort, the diske drive remain not functionnal. It make some noise at startup, like if head are blocked... I will try again to dismantle it and grease everywhere again... May be somebody have a spare diske drive ? Or Macintosh drive may work ? Lisa is my best piece of old computers, far away from my other Apple pieces likes Apple II, macintosh 128 What a beautiful thing ! Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive
*but* despite all my effort, the diske drive remain not functionnal. It make some noise at startup, like if head are blocked... I will try again to dismantle it and grease everywhere again... May be somebody have a spare diske drive ? Or Macintosh drive may work ? The 400K drive is the same as in the 128K and 512K Macintosh, so if you have one of those (and it sounds like you do), you could connect it to see if it works. If not, then suspect the I/O board and connectors. If another drive does work, then the original drive would seem to need maintenance. Other than the sticky grease problem, check to see if the pressure pad is still on the drive. It is a small felt pad opposite the read/write head, when a disk is inserted, it is the thing that holds the magnetic disk against the head. Sometimes the pressure pad falls off (or is torn off by forcibly ejecting a disk when the grease is sticky). Congratulations on fixing your off/on problem! James James MacPhail Think not of engineering as art, [EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering Sigma Seven Systems Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://SigmaSevenSystems.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive
Le 20 nov. 05, à 12:42, James MacPhail a écrit : *but* despite all my effort, the diske drive remain not functionnal. It make some noise at startup, like if head are blocked... I will try again to dismantle it and grease everywhere again... May be somebody have a spare diske drive ? Or Macintosh drive may work ? The 400K drive is the same as in the 128K and 512K Macintosh, so if you have one of those (and it sounds like you do), you could connect it to see if it works. Yes, I have a 128 and a 512k macintosh. Do you think that a 800k drive from a Mac Plus -less value than the 128 or 512 ;)- will work, at least as a 400 k drive ? Other than the sticky grease problem, check to see if the pressure pad is still on the drive. It is a small felt pad opposite the read/write head, when a disk is inserted, it is the thing that holds the magnetic disk against the head. I saw the presure Pad, seems to be OK. In fact, the drive don't spin, or try to spin then go off, and Lisa eject the disk with Error 23 or IO board error 39 (timeout). This is done with both IO card. Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Lisa won't stay off (was Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive)
This was an aside to another problem, so it looks like it didn't get any attention: when I switch the Lisa off, it goes off then on immediately. I have seen a couple of causes for this problem, ones that come to mind are: 1) Damaged (broken) traces on the I/O Board due to corrosion from leaking batteries. If your I/O Board once had batteries on it, check the continuity of the traces in that area carefully. If it still has batteries on it, you should probably remove them and clean the circuit board in that area before battery leakage causes (more) damage. The battery is not required for startup or operation of the Lisa; it is only to keep the clock running and preserve some preference settings in RAM. Unlike a modern computer whose clock can run from the battery for years with no external power, the Lisa battery only lasts for a few hours when external power is interrupted. 2) Bad COPS, or perhaps poor contact with its socket. It may be enough to remove and re-insert the COPS to improve the connection. If not, replace the COPS with one from another I/O board... if it still doesn't work, then it probably isn't the COPS. 3) A couple of other parts on the I/O board can fail causing this sort of problem, so if the above don't help, let us know and we can start trouble-shooting. Good luck! James James MacPhail Think not of engineering as art, [EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering Sigma Seven Systems Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://SigmaSevenSystems.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive
Hi, After years, I finally get a Lisa 2. It come with 2 working Profile 5 Mb, loaded with Macwork (?) and MacOs 5. I Have two problems: - the 3,5 disk drive seem to be dead. Make some noise at startup, but do not spin... I've dismantle it, cleaning grease, add grease, but no way Like if the head driver was dead. Can I put a 800k drive from a MacPlus in it ? Even if it will be recognized as a 400k drive. - the on/off switch: when I switch the Lisa off, it go off then on immediatly. Any advice ? My Lisa: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jerome.vernet/specs/lisa.htm Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive
Le 6 nov. 05, à 12:54, Philip Lord a écrit : I think you need the upgraded roms to use 800k drives. I can't tell if you have theses. I don't really want to use the 800k drive as a 800k, but as a 400k. My Lisa -an Lisa upgraded system- have D/A8 ROM, so no 800k support. I saw the pics. The first think I would do is remove the leaking batteries from the I/O board, and clean the area below. Do this soon or the leaking acid will destroy your board. That exactly what's I'm currently doing ;)! I train myself on the second CPU board -I received my Lisa with an additional PSU, additional CPU/IO/RAM/ and // board-. Thanks for your help. Phil -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
