Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-11 Thread Diane Cabell


- Original Message -
From: Gordon Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November
Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN


> Then give us substance Diane.  Use you lawyerly skills to back up
> these vague assertions instead of always excusing ICANN's heavy
> handedness.

I have given a good bit of substance and a great deal of my lawyerly skills
to the Membership Advisory Committee, Gordon.  I'm afraid I just don't have
enough time to task on more than that right now.

I think it is unfair and inflammatory to say that I "excuse ICANN's heavy
handedness."  I have freqently corrected what I thought were inaccurate
statements or deductions concerning actions that ICANN has already taken.
Unlike you, I am not anti-ICANN per se, as long as I see progress toward a
fair and representative organization.  I *see* a great deal of progress
from last summer.  The goal hasn't been reached yet, but I continue to push
for it.
>
> Some remote NGO.  Isn't that just precisely what ICANN is?  a very
> remote NGO unless one joins in making excuses for its actions.

Yes, despite the verbal fences from Ms.Dyson, I think ICANN will indeed be
an NGO, particularly if (as appears likely) it mandates uniform dispute
resolution.  If so, I hope the structure will be better than existing ones.
I've never been able to vote for a WTO policy or a UN delegate either
directly or even at one remove.  I expect to have that right as a member of
the ICANN At-large.

Diane Cabell
http://www.mama-tech.com
Fausett, Gaeta & Lund
Boston


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> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Greg Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:20 PM
> >Subject: Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:
> >November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling
> >ICANN
> >
> >
> > > It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it
currently
> > > exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be
Internet
> > > self-governance.  If ICANN (as it currently exists) falls, the
process
> >may
> > > fall as well.  Then we might very well be subject to laws that are
the
> > > result of the laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the
US
> > > seem to employ that favor big businesses.
> > >
> > > --gregbo

>




Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Gordon Cook

>This is my concern also.  Or some remote NGO.
>
>Diane Cabell
>http://www.mama-tech.com
>Fausett, Gaeta & Lund
>Boston


Then give us substance Diane.  Use you lawyerly skills to back up 
these vague assertions instead of always excusing ICANN's heavy 
handedness.

Some remote NGO.  Isn't that just precisely what ICANN is?  a very 
remote NGO unless one joins in making excuses for its actions.




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>- Original Message -
>From: Greg Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:
>November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling
>ICANN
>
>
> > It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it currently
> > exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be Internet
> > self-governance.  If ICANN (as it currently exists) falls, the process
>may
> > fall as well.  Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the
> > result of the laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the US
> > seem to employ that favor big businesses.
> >
> > --gregbo
> >


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Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread David Farber

Many thanks, yes yes yes

At 2:20 PM -0700 9/10/99, Greg Skinner wrote:
>It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it currently
>exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be Internet
>self-governance.  If ICANN (as it currently exists) falls, the process may
>fall as well.  Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the
>result of the laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the US
>seem to employ that favor big businesses.
>
>--gregbo