Re: [WSG] Footnotes Project Needs IE Check
Everything looks fine in IE, except the part 'Essay'.
In IE 6 the maincontent sticks under the nav.
The reason for this is the font. I believe, that if you would use %
instead of em, the problem would be solved. There is a
font-size-difference between Firefox and IE. IE-letters are much bigger.
Hope, that somebody else could give a statement if to use % or em. There
was a discussion some time ago.
Your problem is here:
supa id=fn1 href=# class=note1span
emMother#8217;s Journal/em,
May 1846, 142; see also emMother#8217;s
Monthly Journal/em,April 1839, 56/span
/a/sup
Your class 'pre' is defined like this:
#maincontent pre {
padding: 0 3em 0 5em;
font-size: inherit;
}
pre {
font-size: 1.2em !important;
margin: 0;
line-height: 1.2em;
}
To get a fast fix, you could change e.g. the padding to a lower value,
or you will choose to decrease the font size.
I tried the following change to get a fast fix, and it works:
* html pre {
font-size: 1.1em !important;
margin: 0;
line-height: 1.1em;
}
But there is still an accessibility issue left. If the user now makes
the letters manually bigger in IE, then AGAIN the content sticks under
the nav. So maybe changing em to % will help more :)
Soeren
Paula Petrik schrieb:
If someone has a moment, might he or she take a look at the project.
Sidenotes 1 and PopUp work on the Mac platform, but I'm not sure of IE
Win. It seem that at one time the technique worked but no longer.
Can't figure it out. All validated.
http://www.archiva.net/mowit/index.htm
Thank you,
Paula
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Re: [WSG] Pixel Perfect
Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote:The differences that your client is seeing is probably due to differencesin rendering engine. ie the Adobe engine is not standard compliant. Is great info!!!**I should of written:The differences that your client is seeing is probably due to differences due to the Adobe rendering engine. ie that engine is probably not standard compliant.It was a few years ago since I had to deal with saving websites (or in my case intranet newsletters) as pdfs. There were rendering differences then and probably still are now, don't know how big the adobe web capture team is and how fast they are moving. You will need to do research (I could not find anything with a quick look on the adobe site).-- Nick Cowiehttp://nickcowie.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Spans Padding
Ryan Moore wrote: The problem is in the the .featured_left_col featured_right_col both choose to ignore anything related to width, padding or margins? Ideally, I’d like to be able to place a border around the featured_listing class but I can’t do that if I replace the featured_col… with div’s. The border get’s eaten up and will not display. This occurs in all major browsers on PC. Erm - first suggestion: Some browsers have problems with underscores in css names. Try renaming them? I always use camelCase for this reason :) HIH! Lea ~ way too late at night for me to actually try this stuff for you ;) -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spans Padding
Ryan Moore wrote:
I am having a real problem with the this mark up.
.featured_listing {
clear:both;
display:block;
margin:0 0 1.5em 0;
}
.featured_image {
height:158px;
width:240px;
float:left;
}
.featured_listings_details {
clear:none;
margin:0;
list-style:none;
padding:0;
}
.featured_left_col {
width:25em;
margin:0.5em;
}
.featured_right_col {
width:250em;
padding:0 1em;
}
div class=featured_listing
span class=“ featured_left_col“img class=featured_image
src=images/some_image.gif ? alt= //span
span class=”.featured_right_col”
ul class=featured_listings_details
listrong?php echo $row['status'] ?/strong/li
li?php echo $row['address'] ? - ?php echo $row['cost'] ?/li
?php $description = $row['description']; ?
li?php echo smart_trim($description,$length,true) ?/li
lia href=property-view.php?id=?php echo $row['id']; ?View
Details/a/li
/ul
/span
/div
The problem is in the the .featured_left_col featured_right_col both
choose to ignore anything related to width, padding or margins?
Ideally, I’d like to be able to place a border around the
featured_listing class but I can’t do that if I replace the
featured_col… with div’s. The border get’s eaten up and will not
display. This occurs in all major browsers on PC.
Some help would be much appreciated.
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Hi Ryan,
Most folk are busy, most have headaches with their own problems, so most
would find it a lot easier if there was a URL to look at to see this
stuff of yours. Have you got one we could see?
(I'm not being sarcy - I'm trying to be helpful . . . )
--
Best Regards,
Bob McClelland
Cornwall (UK)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Spans Padding
On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Ryan Moore wrote: I am having a real problem with the this mark up. [snip code] The problem is in the the .featured_left_col featured_right_col both choose to ignore anything related to width, padding or margins? Ideally, I'd like to be able to place a border around the featured_listing class but I can't do that if I replace the featured_col. with div's. The border get's eaten up and will not display. This occurs in all major browsers on PC. Width/height does *not* apply to inline elements. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-width You have mark-up errors: span class=.featured_right_col what is that period doing there? span class= featured_left_col white-space before the class name class names will never be applied that way. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spans Padding
Ryan Moore wrote: I am having a real problem with the this mark up. [...] The problem is in the the .featured_left_col featured_right_col both choose to ignore anything related to width, padding or margins? Ideally, I’d like to be able to place a border around the featured_listing class but I can’t do that if I replace the featured_col… with div’s. The border get’s eaten up and will not display. This occurs in all major browsers on PC. Some help would be much appreciated. I think a visit to Tidy Online, and the markup and css validation services may be a place to start? http://infohound.net/tidy/tidy.pl http://validator.w3.org/ http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator Regards, ~davidLaakso -- http://www.dlaakso.com/gustave/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print style sheets - still struggling!
Hi Bob: I am still battling with print style sheets - In particular, I have several property descriptions on the holiday site, [1], and I'm failing to get a decent print out. Some are OK, some are awful, and I can't see what the difference is. If you go to the site, pick 'holiday homes', then 'Constantine', then 'Curlews' and look at 'full details', you will find that the print style produces a reasonable print-out from firefox, but rubbish from IE. The problem is all tied up with the images being floated left and right: in FF there is no problem, but in IE I don't get any word wrap and the images stand alone. It's a mess. The two style sheets for these details are at [2] and [3]. If anyone has had experience of this and how to overcome it, I'd be really, really, thrilled. you know what, i looked at Curlews in IE6 and it was perfect. I noticed an option I'd never noticed before, the option to print selected frame maybe that's a clue that will help. the issue is w/ the frames, somehow, maybe. Donna [1] www.raintreehouse.co.uk [2] http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/css/propertydetails.css (media='all') [3] http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/css/property_print.css (media='print') Many thanks-- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print style sheets - still struggling!
Donna Jones wrote: Hi Bob: I am still battling with print style sheets - In particular, I have several property descriptions on the holiday site, [1], and I'm failing to get a decent print out. Some are OK, some are awful, and I can't see what the difference is. If you go to the site, pick 'holiday homes', then 'Constantine', then 'Curlews' and look at 'full details', you will find that the print style produces a reasonable print-out from firefox, but rubbish from IE. The problem is all tied up with the images being floated left and right: in FF there is no problem, but in IE I don't get any word wrap and the images stand alone. It's a mess. The two style sheets for these details are at [2] and [3]. If anyone has had experience of this and how to overcome it, I'd be really, really, thrilled. you know what, i looked at Curlews in IE6 and it was perfect. I noticed an option I'd never noticed before, the option to print selected frame maybe that's a clue that will help. the issue is w/ the frames, somehow, maybe. Donna [1] www.raintreehouse.co.uk [2] http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/css/propertydetails.css (media='all') [3] http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/css/property_print.css (media='print') Many thanks-- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Hi Donna, and thanks. I wrote a follow up, the next day, saying that I'd fixed it. What it was, there was a' text-align : justify' in the main (screen) css and this was (for some reason) confusing the floats in the print CSS. Changing it to 'text-align : left' in the print CSS worked wonders! But thanks anyway! -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print style sheets - still struggling!
Hi Donna, and thanks. I wrote a follow up, the next day, saying that I'd fixed it. What it was, there was a' text-align : justify' in the main (screen) css and this was (for some reason) confusing the floats in the print CSS. Changing it to 'text-align : left' in the print CSS worked wonders! But thanks anyway! ah and i didn't see your follow-up - never let it be said that I'm ahead of the curve. ;) -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Footnotes Project Needs IE Check
Excellent! ;)
Paula Petrik schrieb:
Soeren,
Thanks for taking the time with this. Yes, I think that pre is
causing the problems. Changed to class styles. Not exactly the best
way, but I think that it will work. Would you mind checking again? Do
the CSS popups work?
www.archiva.net/mowit/index.htm
Paula
George Mason University
http://www.archiva.net
On Jun 5, 2006, at 4:01 AM, Soeren Mordhorst wrote:
Everything looks fine in IE, except the part 'Essay'.
In IE 6 the maincontent sticks under the nav.
The reason for this is the font. I believe, that if you would use %
instead of em, the problem would be solved. There is a
font-size-difference between Firefox and IE. IE-letters are much
bigger. Hope, that somebody else could give a statement if to use %
or em. There was a discussion some time ago.
Your problem is here:
supa id=fn1 href=# class=note1span
emMother#8217;s Journal/em,
May 1846, 142; see also emMother#8217;s
Monthly Journal/em,April 1839, 56/span
/a/sup
Your class 'pre' is defined like this:
#maincontent pre {
padding: 0 3em 0 5em;
font-size: inherit;
}
pre {
font-size: 1.2em !important;
margin: 0;
line-height: 1.2em;
}
To get a fast fix, you could change e.g. the padding to a lower
value, or you will choose to decrease the font size.
I tried the following change to get a fast fix, and it works:
* html pre {
font-size: 1.1em !important;
margin: 0;
line-height: 1.1em;
}
But there is still an accessibility issue left. If the user now makes
the letters manually bigger in IE, then AGAIN the content sticks
under the nav. So maybe changing em to % will help more :)
Soeren
Paula Petrik schrieb:
If someone has a moment, might he or she take a look at the project.
Sidenotes 1 and PopUp work on the Mac platform, but I'm not sure of
IE Win. It seem that at one time the technique worked but no longer.
Can't figure it out. All validated.
http://www.archiva.net/mowit/index.htm
Thank you,
Paula
Paula Petrik
http://www.archiva.net
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RE: [WSG] Pixel Perfect
Hi Bruce, Hope you don't feel like a dummy, because I don't think this is perhaps a straight forward request as first appears, and I would echo Steve's comment: there's no way I'd expect a Web page to create a perfect PDF without special consideration of that requirement up-front. I have found that you can get extremely different results depending on how you generate the PDF. For e.g. if you have acrobat installed in your browser to generate a PDF from a webpage at the click of a button, you will get a very different look than if you go Print then Save as PDF. And of course Macs give different results than PC. On your Webster site when I used the Acrobat to make a PDF I just got a list of the links with a background image. But when I went PrintSave as PDF I got your nice print style sheet with the content. So I guess you'll have to find out how she is creating the PDF first... I have a feeling that the Acrobat in the browser thing would perhaps rely on table-layouts, because I have not been able to properly replicate a CSS based site with it and usually end up going through the Print path. Let us know how you get on! Rachel -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 7:27 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Pixel Perfect My apologies, I never asked about it printing, I said the print stylesheet wasnt done yet. Clearly stated. I asked about a client recreating a site as a pdf, and having that expected, the entire site, and if anyone has had that requested as I have never been asked to have that. My apologies for misunderstandings, I thought I was clear, because that is what I asked and clearly stated. I honestly thought I could ask a simple question. My apologies to everyone, I won't again. Thank you for your patience with a dummy Bruce Prochnau - Original Message - From: David Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Pixel Perfect Im just going to echo what Bob said. Your site will not print properly because a) your site is fixed width and is not designed to scale with smaller display areas (such as the translated size of A4 paper), and b) you do not have any style sheet that applies to printed pages, so that the fixed width will be converted to a variable width site (ready for for document printing). My advise would be to add in a print style sheet, that a) converts the page to a variable width format and b) removes non-required elements such as redundant images, headers, navigation etc. Printing a site (or converting to pdf) is generally done to be able to view the content of the page they are after, not to have a duplicate paper copy of a website. Thanks, David. Designer wrote: Bruce wrote: Yes, it isn't perfect or done yet but is in process: http://66.118.191.85/~websterk/index.php Thanks Bruce Prochnau When I print to acrobat distiller, the pdf is nothing like the web site! I wouldn't expect it to be actually, unless I'd provided a print style sheet. Did I miss it? I couldn't see one in there. Also Bruce, folk using IE with text size set to small will not be able to read a fair proportion of the text - it's miniscule! Sorry if you don't want to hear that - just trying to be helpful. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
CMS Made Simple is now the only CMS I bother with. It's still in it's infancy (about to go to v1.0) but is more solid and accessible than any other I've used to date. As the name suggests, it's also dead simple to use. --Paul A NooneWebmaster, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 12:23 PMTo: cms@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: "tee g.peng" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:18:34 -0700Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Etomite CMSOn Jun 3, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Steve Olive wrote: I will be keeping an eye on Etomite - I currently use phpWebSite for my CMS but it only produces XHTML transitional text/html.Here is an example page from a site I'd been working on that uses XHTM strict 1.0, the contents there are generated from snippets and chunks and the page is validated.http://www.decorsit.com.my/index.php?id=17As a new CMS user, I am very impressed as I spent countless hours playing with Mamboo, Joolmla, phpWebsite and a few more that I can't even remember their names now, all of them either offer too much or generate codes that can't validate and of table layouts.teeFrom: "=?UTF-8?Q?=E9=83=91=E7=8E=89=E8=90=8D(Tee_G._Peng)?=" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:26:44 -0700Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Etomite CMSOn 6/2/06, RobS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: You might also want to have a look at ModX, a development from Etomite which shares much of the backend still, and like Etomite, generates compliant code... Hi Rob, I had a look at ModX. It seems at its infancy though. I knowvery little about PHP and _javascript_, therefore can only feelconfident to use a CMS that is fully mature and have active users,also, plenty of modules or snippets and chunks at my disposal :)Cheers,tee*The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/* *The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/*
[WSG] Xforms
Xforms, is anybody using them? If so what do you do to get around lack of broswer support? Cheers, James Hunter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Colour blindness simulator
Hi guys, I found this nice little tool on the web which simulates the effects of colour blindness: http://www.aspnetresources.com/tools/colorblindness.aspx You can upload your images to the site and it will show them in two of the more common forms of colour blindness. Might be useful to check if the design of a site is accessible. Cheers, Andreas. Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Addictive Media Phone: (03) 9386 8907 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictivemedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Colour blindness simulator
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Wood Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:25 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Colour blindness simulator On 6/6/06, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I found this nice little tool on the web which simulates the effects of colour blindness: http://www.aspnetresources.com/tools/colorblindness.aspx that's a pretty cool tool. For convenience sake I find this one a lot quicker and easier to deal with: http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ You simply give it a URL and it'll spew out a live representation of the page with a specific filter applied. Hmmm... It doesn't seem to work for me. I enter the URL, but it just sends my browser to the URL I enter without changing anything. Am I doing something wrong? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] [WSG CMS] Etomite CMS
Tee G Peng said I would like to hear from those who have plenty of CMSs experiences or who are CMS developers, how do you think of Etomite CMS. You should go with what works for you. drupal.org works for me. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Colour blindness simulator
The latest version of the colour contrast analyser application (sorry windows only at the moment) has a feature (see the simulations menu) that applies 3 colour blindness simulations (plus a few other simulations) to any window or to a portion of the screen (in real time) . Colour Contrast Analyser 1.1- http://www.wat-c.org/tools/CCA/1.1/index.html with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant vision australia - information library service 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.accessibleinfo.org.au | www.wat-c.org Download the Web Accessibility Toolbar [http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ais/toolbar/] |-+ | | Andreas Boehmer | | | [Addictive Media] | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | dia.com.au | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | roup.org | | || | || | | 06/06/2006 10:51 AM | | | Please respond to wsg| | || |-+ ---| | | | To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org | | cc: | | Subject: [WSG] Colour blindness simulator | ---| Hi guys, I found this nice little tool on the web which simulates the effects of colour blindness: http://www.aspnetresources.com/tools/colorblindness.aspx You can upload your images to the site and it will show them in two of the more common forms of colour blindness. Might be useful to check if the design of a site is accessible. Cheers, Andreas. Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Addictive Media Phone: (03) 9386 8907 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictivemedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Font property
Hi all Is this valid css and if not whats wrong with it: font: 2.2em/1.5; Regards Bojana Global Summit 2006: Technology Connected Futures -- 17-19 October, Sydney, Australia. Visit our website http://globalsummit.educationau.edu.au for further details. IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or confidential information. If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its contents to any other party. This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not necessarily reflect those of education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted with it for viruses or any other defects. education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] [WSG CMS] Etomite CMS
Hopefully this is not off-topic, but every CMS in my belief she be equipped with a powerful WYSIWYG editor. What is the preferred editor some may use in their cms' that keep things standard. I'd be interested in an editor that will validate XHTML strict. Ryan -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sime Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] [WSG CMS] Etomite CMS Tee G Peng said I would like to hear from those who have plenty of CMSs experiences or who are CMS developers, how do you think of Etomite CMS. You should go with what works for you. drupal.org works for me. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
