[WSG] section 508 alike link for non US site.
Hi, I was working on a site that client wants me to put a link at the footer that the site passes XHTML, CSS and accessibility validation. I aware that passing accessibility validation doesn't meant the site is fully accessibly to all user agents but this is what the client wanted and something he thought he paid for. On the other hand, I do take great care to try to make the site as accessible as possible for screen reader as well as browsers. Question is, what should I put? WCAG? It's a non-US site so I thought section 508 isn't appropriate. Client is hoping I can use something more global approach because it's a site that targets on international audiences. Thanks in advance! tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
A: Top-posters who don't trim footers and .sigs. Q: What's the 2nd most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? On 06/07/12 15:34 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 06/07/12 12:03 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: Well, Gaspar's code seems like a pretty easy solution - wouldn't you say? So simple it looks like an amateur did it. Felix - your attitude is not appreciated. There's absolutely no need for this kind of language whatsoever. Gaspar and everyone else on this list deserves respect. There was no lack of respect intended. That was just a way of saying no in answer to your question, another way of saying it looked bad, thus constituting a deficient solution. The way I read your original post, you in effect wanted a stretch entirely across the screen, which Gaspar's lists failed to do. There was no inference that Gaspar was in fact an amateur, only that his work looked amateurish in failing to meet your explicit design critera. I'd like to see anyone here do better than he did styling an ol to meet your criteria, as I don't think it possible. As to respect, web designers who routinely show no respect for personal computer user settings, which includes most web designers, have some nerve complaining about not getting respect. Everyone deserves it, but those who habitually fail to serve it have feeble standing to complain about not getting it. -- In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
- Original Message - From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] So simple it looks like an amateur did it. Since when 'less is more' becomes 'less professional' ;) Besides, personal view + off list messaging = some privacy for all at least some I guess :) -- Cem Meric | http://www.kalkadoon.net/ Kalkadoon Corporate Solutions ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
So simple it looks like an amateur did it. May be but at least i try better ways you not. Ypou could see in WCAG1 the definition of tabular data Tabular information When tables are used to represent logical relationships among data -- text, numbers, images, etc., that information is called tabular information and the tables are called data tables. The relationships expressed by a table may be rendered visually (usually on a two-dimensional grid), aurally (often preceding cells with header information), or in other formats. -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
So simple it looks like an amateur did it. May be but at least i try better ways you not. You could see in WCAG1 the definition of tabular data Tabular information When tables are used to represent logical relationships among data -- text, numbers, images, etc., that information is called tabular information and the tables are called data tables. The relationships expressed by a table may be rendered visually (usually on a two-dimensional grid), aurally (often preceding cells with header information), or in other formats. ยป http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#tabular-information Here you can see too http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-table-markup Tables should be used to mark up truly tabular information (data tables). Content developers should avoid using them to lay out pages (layout tables). Tables for any use also present special problems to users of screen readers (refer to checkpoint 10.3). Using markup improperly -- not according to specification -- hinders accessibility. Misusing markup for a presentation effect (e.g., using a table for layout or a header to change the font size) makes it difficult for users with specialized software to understand the organization of the page or to navigate through it. Furthermore, using presentation markup rather than structural markup to convey structure (e.g., constructing what looks like a table of data with an HTML PRE element) makes it difficult to render a page intelligibly to other devices (refer to the description of difference between content, structure, and presentation). You can find a lot more, at the end you can still use table for menus or whatever you like, like everyone do at the beginning of BOOM of commercial internet. But that is not recommend for standards, that's the point. And that it is what we discuss where but you still discuss , it's not nice to see or your it's better even if you use tables and duplicate the code... You could use or example with table tr td div a href= title=A/a /div /td /tr tr td div a href= title=B/a /div /td /tr tr td div a href= title=C/a /div /td /tr For the some i use p a href= title=A/a a href= title=B/a a href= title=C/a It's your choice , it's your page ... may be when you star to thing big, global you see the diference And Yes, if it makes you happy iam still a amateur. -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
I really do not see you guys sorting this out and im starting to get sick and tired of your squabblingso can you please take it off list **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] section 508 alike link for non US site.
On Wednesday 12 July 2006 16:19, tee g.peng wrote: Hi, I was working on a site that client wants me to put a link at the footer that the site passes XHTML, CSS and accessibility validation. Question is, what should I put? WCAG? It's a non-US site so I thought section 508 isn't appropriate. Client is hoping I can use something more global approach because it's a site that targets on international audiences. tee Hi, I think your client may have seen the W3C WAI Logos on pages - A, AA, AAA level accessibilities conformance. Full details online at: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ The most common way to start this testing is at: http://www.contentquality.com/ The page must be live on the web to use this site. Note the drop down list allows you to specify the conformance level you are testing too. You can also use the Web Developer toolbar extension in Firefox to make the automated phase of your testing easier. You will always have to do manual testing to check for conformance. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Re: [WSG] section 508 alike link for non US site.
tee g.peng wrote: [...] I think the WAI AA logo is the way to go. [...] Hello tee, Please know that passing automated validation using any of the online tools does not mean that the site actually meets the level claimed. The reason is that the validators have limitations and they do tell you that you need to manually confirm certain checkpoints. Upon performing the manual validation to confirm all the checkpoints the tools are unable to fully test successfully proves that these checkpoints have been met, then it would be fine to add an icon pointing to the guidelines. I wouldn't recommend pointing to the validation tools unless an explanation is given that the results the user will see may not necessarily be accurate. This is confusing, and it leads to more confusion if not done properly. I like to see these links and validation icons being used because I feel they can elevate the level of web accessibility awareness, but I also feel that additional information needs to be provided so users don't get the wrong idea. Pointing to possibly inaccurate results pages can have a large negative impact. I know first-hand. Icons and Bobby links were my first exposure to web accessibility. It soon became a passion. I had successfully and proudly created a AAA website. Except it really wasn't (learned it's next to impossible to do). But, being that my first exposure to this wasn't properly explained, I was screwed up with the wrong thinking for months thereafter thinking if Bobby said it was so then it really was. It was upon getting reviews of my AAA website that finally woke me up. Hopefully you can successfully convey this to your client, and hopefully your client won't forsake the truth so an icon can be posted. That would be wrong and put you, as the developer, in a awkward position between trying to do the right thing while still making your client happy. Read more about this: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=103 Sincerely, Mike Cherim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Offtopic Multiple Image rollover
Michael Persson wrote:
I have a problem to solve a little problem, I have asked before
for a background swap function and the only one i have found is
what i am using. i am using an Iframe for this.
Now i also have another Image or DIV that need to appear on the
same rollover.
Hi Michael,
There's no need to use an iframe just to change a background color - you just
need a bit of javascript:
function changeBackgrounds(color1,color2) {
document.getElementById('div1').style.backgroundColor = color1;
document.getElementById('div2').style.backgroundColor = color2;
return false;
}
a href=# onclick=return changeBackgrounds('#f00','#00f');Change!/a
a href=# onclick=return changeBackgrounds('#00f','#f00');Change!/a
As far as i know i am not able to communicate outside an iframe
to the rest of the page...
Not the case. You can target links to, or call javascript functions in the
parent page or in other frames.
cheers,
Geoff
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Re: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for?
Hi Christian, Actually I pointed to that article too and I did so not with regards to it's accuracy but merely the spirit in which it was written. I think you need to read it in context. First it was written in 2004 and from the comments it's clear that it is a reaction to various confrontations with those that the non-standards folks see as the standards police. I actually found it via a blog entry commenting on the number of css reboot [1] sites that did not validate[2]. I wouldn't say I agree with the article but then nor can I say I disagree. My take from it is ...validation is JUST a tool in the process... a bit like washing your hands after you go to the toilet, something you do but don't need to question why, however if asked you have good reason to do so and are surprised when you see others not doing the same. One of the problems with judging standards using validation is... to continue that toilet metaphor... a bit like swab testing hands after using a public toilet. The person may well have washed their own hands but then opened the same door as those who did not. Many of those using content management systems, or are otherwise not in full control of content addition will be all to aware of how easily their sites are invalidated with an unencoded ampersand or such like. Nick [1] http://www.cssreboot.com/ [2] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200606/ css_reboot_participants_far_from_standardsbased/ Ugh, let's all start posting links to innaccurate articles that only serve to mislead people and give the finger to web standards and the W3C... on the WSG list, no less. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validation Tool
Gday all, Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful? Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/ Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Tool
I personally just use the extension on firefoxOn 7/13/06, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday all,Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful?Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/Kat** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Validation Tool
On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:22, Germ wrote: I personally just use the extension on firefox On 7/13/06, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday all, Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful? Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/ Kat I think the Web Developer Toolbar Extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/) for Firefox is the best place to start validation - you always need to do manual checks, especially for accessibility validation. I also use the Fangs Extension (http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?show/fangs) and the TAW3 with a click Extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1158/) as starting points for accessibility testing before manually checking. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
Title: Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC) I use those on my site! lol I love them too. Of course I adapted them to as I wanted them too. I have two nav's on the left. Top one has the pop ups but you don't see them, small transparent gifs used for accessibility reasons the lower one does use pop ups with images. www.designbyatfb.com - Original Message - From: Susie Gardner-Brown To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC) Hi thereI am trying to use some CSS text popups from Eric Meyer's site, as described here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html. His ones on this page work on IE on a PC as well as Firefox on a Mac ... Not IE5.1 (Mac) but we're not supporting that.My ones work fine on my Mac in Firefox, but in IE (PC) they don't. I'm assuming that something is conflicting from the rest of my stylesheet, but I can't work out what. If anyone had any clues, I'd be very happy grinIt's the link at the bottom of the page where it says 'compare your answer with the suggested answer' ... http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/Professionalism/standards1.htmlCheerssusie **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
