Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Ben Buchanan]

Speaker lists for some major events indicate who is best at sales
training promotion to the Australian government and standards are low
in my opinion. I would not attend some of these conferences due to the


True, I perhaps should have made it clear that I'm talking about
standards-focussed events like Web Directions South/North, @Media,
Webstock, etc.

Just like you wouldn't recommend any old book on web development... :)

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Blake]

On 2/12/07, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey, tell them to subscribe to this list. I was the only student in my
web design class that kept up with WSG and CSS-D and I was always
miles ahead of my classmates when it came to CSS and accessibility.


I am currently a student, but I have been studying CSS, web standards,
and accessibility for at least the past two and a half years. I am
miles ahead of my entire class in almost every subject. Even stuff
that is new to me doesn't seem hard to pick up. I enjoy the web, and
learning about it is fun to me. I think this is key for any student -
you must enjoy what you're learning.

Learning itself is not hard. The web is the single greatest resource
out there. E-zines, blogs, forums, mailing lists - there is no
shortage of information. Teach the students to take advantage of as
much as they can - the web design community seems very keen to welcome
newcomers and help anyone who is struggling.

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Christian Montoya]

On 2/11/07, Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS design
> techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list to
> complement such an undertaking.

Some excellent suggestions have been made; however I'd also try to get
the students used to looking for their own resources online. For
example, put them onto A List Apart, get them to look at speaker lists
for major events and so on. Tell them that Jakob Nielsen often does
great research but his conclusions go well with a proverbial grain of
salt.


Hey, tell them to subscribe to this list. I was the only student in my
web design class that kept up with WSG and CSS-D and I was always
miles ahead of my classmates when it came to CSS and accessibility.

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Tim]

Speaker lists for some major events indicate who is best at sales 
training promotion to the Australian government and standards are low 
in my opinion. I would not attend some of these conferences due to the 
focus of some commercial interests in circumventing the Australian 1992 
Disability Discrimination Act's legal implications for W3C validity and 
accessibility.


Try this resource Ben I made it, you be the judge, it is Australian but 
also compares UK and USA sites.


http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html

Tim

On 12/02/2007, at 12:01 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:

 If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS 
design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list 
to

complement such an undertaking.


Some excellent suggestions have been made; however I'd also try to get
the students used to looking for their own resources online. For
example, put them onto A List Apart, get them to look at speaker lists
for major events and so on. Tell them that Jakob Nielsen often does
great research but his conclusions go well with a proverbial grain of
salt.

Plenty of students won't care but for those who do, it would be great
to get them used to the idea that the industry is changing rapidly and
they can be as much a part of that as they want to.

One thing... if you get any questions on scripting, I'd recommend
pointing them to the Hijax methodology and the book "DOM Scripting" by
Jeremy Keith. If anyone thinks that standards are restrictive, point
them to "Transcending CSS" by Andy Clarke.

I hope this helps :)

cheers,

Ben

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Ben Buchanan]

 If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list to
complement such an undertaking.


Some excellent suggestions have been made; however I'd also try to get
the students used to looking for their own resources online. For
example, put them onto A List Apart, get them to look at speaker lists
for major events and so on. Tell them that Jakob Nielsen often does
great research but his conclusions go well with a proverbial grain of
salt.

Plenty of students won't care but for those who do, it would be great
to get them used to the idea that the industry is changing rapidly and
they can be as much a part of that as they want to.

One thing... if you get any questions on scripting, I'd recommend
pointing them to the Hijax methodology and the book "DOM Scripting" by
Jeremy Keith. If anyone thinks that standards are restrictive, point
them to "Transcending CSS" by Andy Clarke.

I hope this helps :)

cheers,

Ben

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Terrence Wood]

On 10/02/2007, at 5:01 AM, Andy Woznica wrote:


If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS  
design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book  
list to

complement such an undertaking.



Two books on accessibility:
1. Access by Design: A Guide to Universal Usability for Web  
Designers, Sarah Horton

A great primer which is now online: http://universalusability.com/

2. Web Accessibility: Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance,  
Thatcher et al

A great mixture of theory, case study and specific technique.


kind regards
Terrence Wood





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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Christian Montoya]

On 2/9/07, Andy Woznica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Sorry if this has been done before. If so please point me in the right
direction.

 If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list to
complement such an undertaking. I have found the following and wondered if
anyone had any more input. I'm trying to find a text that would be suitable
in a classroom setting rather than from the perspective of someone who is
already very familiar with CSS and needs a reference. This is by no means an
exhaustive list. There seems to be a lot of printed material out there.
Some of it has to shine above the rest.


Oh, almost forgot: Building Accessible Website by Joe Clark:
http://joeclark.org/book/

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Re: [WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Christian Montoya]

On 2/9/07, Andy Woznica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Sorry if this has been done before. If so please point me in the right
direction.

 If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list to
complement such an undertaking. I have found the following and wondered if
anyone had any more input. I'm trying to find a text that would be suitable
in a classroom setting rather than from the perspective of someone who is
already very familiar with CSS and needs a reference. This is by no means an
exhaustive list. There seems to be a lot of printed material out there.
Some of it has to shine above the rest.



If you want to talk about accessibility, you may as well talk about
usability: Don't Make Me Think by Steve Krug is the book for that.

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[WSG] Books - CSS/Standards/Accessibility

[Andy Woznica]

Sorry if this has been done before. If so please point me in the right
direction.

If hypothetically we were thinking of running a course covering CSS design
techniques, Standards and Acessibility, is there a top five book list to
complement such an undertaking. I have found the following and wondered if
anyone had any more input. I¹m trying to find a text that would be suitable
in a classroom setting rather than from the perspective of someone who is
already very familiar with CSS and needs a reference. This is by no means an
exhaustive list. There seems to be a lot of printed material out there.
Some of it has to shine above the rest.

> CSS Mastery ­Budd/Collison/Moll
> 
> Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook ­ Dan Cederholm
> 
> Bulletproof Web Design: Improving flexibility and protecting against
> worst-case scenarios with XHTML and CSS ­ Dan Cederholm
> 
> CSS: The Definitive Guide, Third Edition ­ Eric Meyer
> 
> Eric Meyer on CSS: Mastering the Language of Web Design
> 
> Designing with Web Standards (2nd Edition) (Paperback) - Zeldman


Like I said, if there is already a list can someone post it again.

Thanks list!


Andy







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