RE: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites
From Sahil Malik: http://blah.winsmarts.com/2007-7-What_is_MOSS_WCM_capable_of.aspx Some case studies which can be interesting: http://blogs.msdn.com/sharepoint/archive/2007/05/03/top-17-case-studies-for-microsoft-office-sharepoint-server-2007-and-several-new-moss-based-web-sites.aspx And of course, I have to mention a couple of recent sites developed by my colleague, Sezai :) http://www.ggs.wa.edu.au/Pages/Index.aspx http://www.amanaliving.com.au/Pages/index.aspx http://www.westrac.com.au/Pages/Index.aspx (flashy!) Brian Meinertz Developer Vivid Group Sydney Level 57, MLC Centre Martin Place Sydney, NSW, 2000 Melbourne Level 40 140 William Street Melbourne, Vic, 3000 Perth 200 Wellington Street Perth, WA, 6000 FREECALL: 1800 632 341 FREEFAX: 1800 010 888 www.vividgroup.com.auhttp://www.vividgroup.com.au/ Disclaimer: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone 1800 632 341 and destroy the original message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Thank you. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prior, David Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 7:16 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites All, Andrew Lavinsky has supplied this great sample site with over 80 sites listedgreat find!! http://www.wssdemo.com/Pages/websites.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED]BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.comhttp://www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prior, David Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 8:58 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites HI all, I have been asked to demonstrate the customisation capabilities of MOSS to a client who wants a site that looks different to the OOTB install, but doesn't exactly know what they want it to look like...soI though if I could point them to some public sites that are using MOSS then they can see what the possibilities are, and yes, the possibilities are only limited by the imagination, but imagination is also limited by my non-design like abilities for pretty colours and pictures J I currently have two URLs but I have seen a list of sites somewhere but can no longer find it. I though it was on this list, but a search through the archives have not found anything. http://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/Pages/Home.aspx http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/pedia/Pages/Home.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED]BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.comhttp://www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use,
Re: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites
www.goodmanintl.com On Nov 9, 2007 8:57 AM, Prior, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI all, I have been asked to demonstrate the customisation capabilities of MOSS to a client who wants a site that looks different to the OOTB install, but doesn't exactly know what they want it to look like…so….I though if I could point them to some public sites that are using MOSS then they can see what the possibilities are, and yes, the possibilities are only limited by the imagination, but imagination is also limited by my non-design like abilities for pretty colours and pictures J I currently have two URLs but I have seen a list of sites somewhere but can no longer find it. I though it was on this list, but a search through the archives have not found anything. http://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/Pages/Home.aspx http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/pedia/Pages/Home.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 – 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply.--- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
[OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites
HI all, I have been asked to demonstrate the customisation capabilities of MOSS to a client who wants a site that looks different to the OOTB install, but doesn't exactly know what they want it to look like...soI though if I could point them to some public sites that are using MOSS then they can see what the possibilities are, and yes, the possibilities are only limited by the imagination, but imagination is also limited by my non-design like abilities for pretty colours and pictures :-) I currently have two URLs but I have seen a list of sites somewhere but can no longer find it. I though it was on this list, but a search through the archives have not found anything. http://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/Pages/Home.aspx http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/pedia/Pages/Home.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites
This was one of the examples given at APAC http://www.hawaiianair.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prior, David Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 8:58 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites HI all, I have been asked to demonstrate the customisation capabilities of MOSS to a client who wants a site that looks different to the OOTB install, but doesn't exactly know what they want it to look like...soI though if I could point them to some public sites that are using MOSS then they can see what the possibilities are, and yes, the possibilities are only limited by the imagination, but imagination is also limited by my non-design like abilities for pretty colours and pictures J I currently have two URLs but I have seen a list of sites somewhere but can no longer find it. I though it was on this list, but a search through the archives have not found anything. http://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/Pages/Home.aspx http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/pedia/Pages/Home.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites
All, Andrew Lavinsky has supplied this great sample site with over 80 sites listedgreat find!! http://www.wssdemo.com/Pages/websites.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prior, David Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 8:58 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] Sample MOSS Sites HI all, I have been asked to demonstrate the customisation capabilities of MOSS to a client who wants a site that looks different to the OOTB install, but doesn't exactly know what they want it to look like...soI though if I could point them to some public sites that are using MOSS then they can see what the possibilities are, and yes, the possibilities are only limited by the imagination, but imagination is also limited by my non-design like abilities for pretty colours and pictures :-) I currently have two URLs but I have seen a list of sites somewhere but can no longer find it. I though it was on this list, but a search through the archives have not found anything. http://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/Pages/Home.aspx http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/pedia/Pages/Home.aspx Cheers, David Prior Senior Developer KAZ ACT | Professional Services | KAZ Group Pty Ltd 19 - 25 Moore Street | Turner ACT 2612 (02) 6219 0880 | 0411 449 496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.kaz-group.com - This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net This communication may contain confidential information and/or copyright material of KAZ Group Pty Ltd ABN 25 002 124 405 and its related bodies corporate. It may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and it was very impressive. But I understand there is also a company\product called metalogic who should be very good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 2:48 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Thanks Ishai. Does tzunami move everything? Site defs, features, dataview webparts etc? Ideally it moves only the deltas from dev, to staging then onto prod. Does it provide any rollback? Cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is aweful for moving between environments, not to mention it is heavy and requires installing a mysql database+apache web server to run. I would not recommend it. Besides, it just moves content - nothing else. If you are looking for something to move content, look at tzunami. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 1:38 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I found this tool: http://www.avepoint.com/products/sharepoint-content-management I haven't tried it but it might solve some of the problems. I might have to come up with my own tool and post it up on codeplex J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adriaan Grobler Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 7:26 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I totally agree. We have a lot of problems with content deployment... Things got worse after the DST change. MOSS is still full of bugs, have a look at the list of hot fixes released. http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs/adir_ron/archive/2007/07/11/Huge-list-of-MOSS_2F00_Office-2007-KB_1920_s-and-Hotfixes.aspx Adriaan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 7:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It's great you ask Aaron, because my opinion is that the whole deploying between environments story in MOSS is overly complicated and has severe problems, see this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9QlojtrWs . This was all a lot easier to do with MCMS ! You could export content from Site Manager to an SDO file, and easily setup a new MCMS web application, and move the SDO content to the new environment. provision/manage releases between environments? Use a Solution to deploy a custom site definition and its features to the new server, but when you create a new site collection on the new server, this simply creates a new empty shell of a site with none of your content, so you then need to do a Site Collection Backup / Restore over it to get your latest content in. If your site has un-published items then they won't make it across to the new server. Andrew Connell just released an update to his custom STSADM commands, http://andrewconnell.com/blog/archive/2007/10/29/My-MOSS-WCM-STSADM-custom-commands-have-been-updated.aspx one of the commands is PublishAllItems, you need to run this over your site before backup otherwise items not checked-in will mysteriously disappear. customised site with custom features and custom site defs Deploy your custom site definition and features using a SharePoint Solution. How do you move site content between these environments as well? Site Collection Backup and Restore, it's not fool proof and I don't trust it most of the time, but it does the job. I try to minimize this process as much as possible because I find files and items seem to go randomly missing from the site, you then have a team of content authors complaining about their lost images and screwed up content. Any tools etc you use ? Any tips etc? We developed a nice WinForms tool(Object Model Code) in-house with a simple Wizard interface. You specify an existing Web Application, the tool deletes the top level site collection in the web app, it then retracts the previous solution, removes/uninstalls Features, redeploys the new Solution, including Custom Site Definition Files and All Features, then it creates a fresh new Site Collection on the Web App for you. This roles-up half-a-dozen steps into one single installer application that is quick and easy to run. A Batch file(STSADM Commands) works just as nicely, it's worth having something like this to run to automate the whole process and help cut-down the number of steps and time taken to run through it all. That's it... Not a great story, very messy, but that's what we all have to work with I guess, it would be great to hear
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
cool thanks for the info Ishai From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:09 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and it was very impressive. But I understand there is also a company\product called metalogic who should be very good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 2:48 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Thanks Ishai. Does tzunami move everything? Site defs, features, dataview webparts etc? Ideally it moves only the deltas from dev, to staging then onto prod. Does it provide any rollback? Cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is aweful for moving between environments, not to mention it is heavy and requires installing a mysql database+apache web server to run. I would not recommend it. Besides, it just moves content – nothing else. If you are looking for something to move content, look at tzunami. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 1:38 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I found this tool: http://www.avepoint.com/products/sharepoint-content-management I haven’t tried it but it might solve some of the problems. I might have to come up with my own tool and post it up on codeplex J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adriaan Grobler Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 7:26 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I totally agree. We have a lot of problems with content deployment… Things got worse after the DST change. MOSS is still full of bugs, have a look at the list of hot fixes released. http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs/adir_ron/archive/2007/07/11/Huge-list-of-MOSS_2F00_Office-2007-KB_1920_s-and-Hotfixes.aspx Adriaan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 7:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It's great you ask Aaron, because my opinion is that the whole deploying between environments story in MOSS is overly complicated and has severe problems, see this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9QlojtrWs . This was all a lot easier to do with MCMS ! You could export content from Site Manager to an SDO file, and easily setup a new MCMS web application, and move the SDO content to the new environment. provision/manage releases between environments? Use a Solution to deploy a custom site definition and its features to the new server, but when you create a new site collection on the new server, this simply creates a new empty shell of a site with none of your content, so you then need to do a Site Collection Backup / Restore over it to get your latest content in. If your site has un-published items then they won't make it across to the new server. Andrew Connell just released an update to his custom STSADM commands, http://andrewconnell.com/blog/archive/2007/10/29/My-MOSS-WCM-STSADM-custom-commands-have-been-updated.aspx one of the commands is PublishAllItems, you need to run this over your site before backup otherwise items not checked-in will mysteriously disappear. customised site with custom features and custom site defs Deploy your custom site definition and features using a SharePoint Solution. How do you move site content between these environments as well? Site Collection Backup and Restore, it's not fool proof and I don't trust it most of the time, but it does the job. I try to minimize this process as much as possible because I find files and items seem to go randomly missing from the site, you then have a team of content authors complaining about their lost images and screwed up content. Any tools etc you use ? Any tips etc? We developed a nice WinForms tool(Object Model Code) in-house with a simple Wizard interface. You specify an existing Web Application, the tool deletes the top level site collection in the web app, it then retracts the previous solution, removes/uninstalls Features, redeploys the new Solution, including Custom Site Definition Files and All Features, then it creates a fresh new Site Collection on the Web App for you. This roles-up half-a-dozen steps into one single installer application that is quick and easy to run. A Batch file(STSADM Commands) works just as nicely, it's worth
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
Ishai - metalogix did a great (any HTML) to MCMS/Sharepoint 'converter' also. Great product! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:10 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and it was very impressive. But I understand there is also a company\product called metalogic who should be very good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 2:48 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Thanks Ishai. Does tzunami move everything? Site defs, features, dataview webparts etc? Ideally it moves only the deltas from dev, to staging then onto prod. Does it provide any rollback? Cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is aweful for moving between environments, not to mention it is heavy and requires installing a mysql database+apache web server to run. I would not recommend it. Besides, it just moves content - nothing else. If you are looking for something to move content, look at tzunami. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 1:38 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I found this tool: http://www.avepoint.com/products/sharepoint-content-management I haven't tried it but it might solve some of the problems. I might have to come up with my own tool and post it up on codeplex J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adriaan Grobler Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 7:26 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I totally agree. We have a lot of problems with content deployment... Things got worse after the DST change. MOSS is still full of bugs, have a look at the list of hot fixes released. http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs/adir_ron/archive/2007/07/11/Huge-list-of-MOSS_2F00_Office-2007-KB_1920_s-and-Hotfixes.aspx Adriaan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 7:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It's great you ask Aaron, because my opinion is that the whole deploying between environments story in MOSS is overly complicated and has severe problems, see this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9QlojtrWs . This was all a lot easier to do with MCMS ! You could export content from Site Manager to an SDO file, and easily setup a new MCMS web application, and move the SDO content to the new environment. provision/manage releases between environments? Use a Solution to deploy a custom site definition and its features to the new server, but when you create a new site collection on the new server, this simply creates a new empty shell of a site with none of your content, so you then need to do a Site Collection Backup / Restore over it to get your latest content in. If your site has un-published items then they won't make it across to the new server. Andrew Connell just released an update to his custom STSADM commands, http://andrewconnell.com/blog/archive/2007/10/29/My-MOSS-WCM-STSADM-custom-commands-have-been-updated.aspx one of the commands is PublishAllItems, you need to run this over your site before backup otherwise items not checked-in will mysteriously disappear. customised site with custom features and custom site defs Deploy your custom site definition and features using a SharePoint Solution. How do you move site content between these environments as well? Site Collection Backup and Restore, it's not fool proof and I don't trust it most of the time, but it does the job. I try to minimize this process as much as possible because I find files and items seem to go randomly missing from the site, you then have a team of content authors complaining about their lost images and screwed up content. Any tools etc you use ? Any tips etc? We developed a nice WinForms tool(Object Model Code) in-house with a simple Wizard interface. You specify an existing Web Application, the tool deletes the top level site collection in the web app, it then retracts the previous solution, removes/uninstalls Features, redeploys the new Solution, including Custom Site Definition Files and All Features, then it creates a fresh new Site Collection on the Web App for you. This roles-up half-a-dozen steps into one single installer application that is quick and easy to run. A Batch file(STSADM Commands) works just as
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
There is always the option of Build Your Own Tool for migration. This offers the best flexibility because you have full control over what is migrated and how its migrated. You will also understand the entire migration process intimately. The problem with some tools on the market is flexibility, if a specific thing is not migrating across as you like you can't alter the migration code or migration process at all. An example is the MCMS to MOSS migration tool built into Central Admin (which I wrote the migration white paper on) it works alright for simple websites, but for larger complex mcms sites it isn't flexible enough so people have been developing their own migration tools for the job. There is of course the phenomenal amount of work (TIME) required to build your own tool, but if your organization has plans for many future migration projects it may be the best option, better than using a third-party tool. Here's an MVP opinion on it, a reply I received when asking what people in the USA are doing regarding MCMS to MOSS migrations : Pretty common... people don't like the OOTB and Metalogix is pricy. One approach I like is to dump everything - HTML pages via something like PowerShell and then add them to document libraries, leveraging custom doc converters to get them into the site. Not much of a market for this though because every MCMS instance is so damn custom J Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 12:32 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments ah yes metalogix..the html - MCMS product rocked! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mick Badran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:23 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Ishai - metalogix did a great (any HTML) to MCMS/Sharepoint 'converter' also. Great product! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:10 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and it was very impressive. But I understand there is also a company\product called metalogic who should be very good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 2:48 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Thanks Ishai. Does tzunami move everything? Site defs, features, dataview webparts etc? Ideally it moves only the deltas from dev, to staging then onto prod. Does it provide any rollback? Cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is aweful for moving between environments, not to mention it is heavy and requires installing a mysql database+apache web server to run. I would not recommend it. Besides, it just moves content - nothing else. If you are looking for something to move content, look at tzunami. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 1:38 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I found this tool: http://www.avepoint.com/products/sharepoint-content-management I haven't tried it but it might solve some of the problems. I might have to come up with my own tool and post it up on codeplex J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adriaan Grobler Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 7:26 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments I totally agree. We have a lot of problems with content deployment... Things got worse after the DST change. MOSS is still full of bugs, have a look at the list of hot fixes released. http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs/adir_ron/archive/2007/07/11/Huge-list-of-MOSS_2F00_Office-2007-KB_1920_s-and-Hotfixes.aspx Adriaan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 7:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It's great you ask Aaron, because my opinion is that the whole deploying between environments story in MOSS is overly complicated and has severe problems, see this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9QlojtrWs . This was all a lot easier to do with MCMS ! You could export content from Site Manager to an SDO file, and easily setup a new MCMS web application, and move the SDO content to the new environment.
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
Yes I remember that tool too Mick; it was called Site Stager I think, customers loved it. They could run the generated HTML on LINUX if they wanted. Not so good for Microsoft Licensing J John Hodgson Lead Solution Consultant HP Consulting Integration 0411 242 880 mobile | [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hp.comhttp://www.hp.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mick Badran Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:57 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Sezai, You could then even argue - why sharepoint at this stage? Why not build a custom tool that converted your 'staging' MOSS WCM site(s) into a bunch of HTML and publish that to the web. This is the approach we took when I was working on a MS internal MCMS system. Publishing to 'microsoft.com' is a pretty locked down process (in terms of what you can/can't run) Also things like the 'Site Deployment Tool' in MCMS v1.x/2.x did exactly this - you could even embed script in pages that ran during the 'deployment' process. It produced *.htm pages that you could drop onto a CD to give to clients etc. Needless to say here in WSS 3.0/MOSS deployment is not a trivial task.. let's try and crack that rubiks cube :) Mick Badran (MVP - BizTalk) | mb: +61 404842833 | im:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Breeze Training | Training + Integration Specialist | Microsoft Readiness Instructor blogs:http://blogs.breezetraining.com.au/mickb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:39 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments There is always the option of Build Your Own Tool for migration. This offers the best flexibility because you have full control over what is migrated and how its migrated. You will also understand the entire migration process intimately. The problem with some tools on the market is flexibility, if a specific thing is not migrating across as you like you can't alter the migration code or migration process at all. An example is the MCMS to MOSS migration tool built into Central Admin (which I wrote the migration white paper on) it works alright for simple websites, but for larger complex mcms sites it isn't flexible enough so people have been developing their own migration tools for the job. There is of course the phenomenal amount of work (TIME) required to build your own tool, but if your organization has plans for many future migration projects it may be the best option, better than using a third-party tool. Here's an MVP opinion on it, a reply I received when asking what people in the USA are doing regarding MCMS to MOSS migrations : Pretty common... people don't like the OOTB and Metalogix is pricy. One approach I like is to dump everything - HTML pages via something like PowerShell and then add them to document libraries, leveraging custom doc converters to get them into the site. Not much of a market for this though because every MCMS instance is so damn custom J Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 12:32 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments ah yes metalogix..the html - MCMS product rocked! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mick Badran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:23 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Ishai - metalogix did a great (any HTML) to MCMS/Sharepoint 'converter' also. Great product! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:10 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and it was very impressive. But I understand there is also a company\product called metalogic who should be very good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 2:48 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Thanks Ishai. Does tzunami move everything? Site defs, features, dataview webparts etc? Ideally it moves only the deltas from dev, to staging then onto prod. Does it provide any rollback? Cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is aweful for moving between environments, not to mention it is heavy and requires installing a mysql database+apache web server to run. I would not
RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments
Not so good for Microsoft Licensing J True, no need for an Internet CAL, you would only need licenses for content authors internal to the organization. I actually remember being asked about this from a few people at SPC APAC, they mentioned how their MCMS websites run via site staging and they are interested in running MOSS sites that way, their primary reasoning behind it was to save on licensing. I told them that would be 'non-standard' and they should instead utilise MOSS content deployment. This starts to get into grey areas though, murky waters, but it is technically possible, good luck getting Microsoft to support you through this! Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodgson, John Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:12 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Yes I remember that tool too Mick; it was called Site Stager I think, customers loved it. They could run the generated HTML on LINUX if they wanted. Not so good for Microsoft Licensing J John Hodgson Lead Solution Consultant HP Consulting Integration 0411 242 880 mobile | [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hp.comhttp://www.hp.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mick Badran Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:57 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Sezai, You could then even argue - why sharepoint at this stage? Why not build a custom tool that converted your 'staging' MOSS WCM site(s) into a bunch of HTML and publish that to the web. This is the approach we took when I was working on a MS internal MCMS system. Publishing to 'microsoft.com' is a pretty locked down process (in terms of what you can/can't run) Also things like the 'Site Deployment Tool' in MCMS v1.x/2.x did exactly this - you could even embed script in pages that ran during the 'deployment' process. It produced *.htm pages that you could drop onto a CD to give to clients etc. Needless to say here in WSS 3.0/MOSS deployment is not a trivial task.. let's try and crack that rubiks cube :) Mick Badran (MVP - BizTalk) | mb: +61 404842833 | im:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Breeze Training | Training + Integration Specialist | Microsoft Readiness Instructor blogs:http://blogs.breezetraining.com.au/mickb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:39 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments There is always the option of Build Your Own Tool for migration. This offers the best flexibility because you have full control over what is migrated and how its migrated. You will also understand the entire migration process intimately. The problem with some tools on the market is flexibility, if a specific thing is not migrating across as you like you can't alter the migration code or migration process at all. An example is the MCMS to MOSS migration tool built into Central Admin (which I wrote the migration white paper on) it works alright for simple websites, but for larger complex mcms sites it isn't flexible enough so people have been developing their own migration tools for the job. There is of course the phenomenal amount of work (TIME) required to build your own tool, but if your organization has plans for many future migration projects it may be the best option, better than using a third-party tool. Here's an MVP opinion on it, a reply I received when asking what people in the USA are doing regarding MCMS to MOSS migrations : Pretty common... people don't like the OOTB and Metalogix is pricy. One approach I like is to dump everything - HTML pages via something like PowerShell and then add them to document libraries, leveraging custom doc converters to get them into the site. Not much of a market for this though because every MCMS instance is so damn custom J Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 12:32 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments ah yes metalogix..the html - MCMS product rocked! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mick Badran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:23 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments Ishai - metalogix did a great (any HTML) to MCMS/Sharepoint 'converter' also. Great product! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 2:10 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Deploying between environments It is just for content. I saw a demo here in Vegas yesterday and
