Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
By while it is vmotion do you mean While we are actively moving it between physical VM hosts ? If so what did you expect? If not, we need more details. VMotion is what lets you reallocate a live running VM in a VMWare cluster from one physical host to another, while running against their propriatary SAN provider, and it shoudl not be TYPICALLY done except in the case of taking down the physical machine. For those of you who don't know, what it does is create an in-space copy of RAM and state, move that to another server, all the while keeping a changelog of things that happen. Once the initial state is synced, it syncs the changelog iterively until the new VM is the same as the old, and then it switches out networking/etc. It's amazing that something like it works, but one caveat is it DOES NOT work with active socket connections (which will time out in most circumstances). On 2/6/08, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
It would be interesting what Windows server 2008 virtualisation brings to the table in regards to performance etc... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 7:49 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion What did I expect? Hmm maybe that the point of this email as I'm not a ESX, VMWare or V-Motion expert? I sort out other people who may have the knowledge to help me provide a solution. As I've never dealt with SharePoint in an environment using V-Motion! So now, I have some facts and such to go back to our VM person who can handle it appropriately with key pieces of information! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 7:01 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion By while it is vmotion do you mean While we are actively moving it between physical VM hosts ? If so what did you expect? If not, we need more details. VMotion is what lets you reallocate a live running VM in a VMWare cluster from one physical host to another, while running against their propriatary SAN provider, and it shoudl not be TYPICALLY done except in the case of taking down the physical machine. For those of you who don't know, what it does is create an in-space copy of RAM and state, move that to another server, all the while keeping a changelog of things that happen. Once the initial state is synced, it syncs the changelog iterively until the new VM is the same as the old, and then it switches out networking/etc. It's amazing that something like it works, but one caveat is it DOES NOT work with active socket connections (which will time out in most circumstances). On 2/6/08, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net ;3I'�ڞ˱�m�k�ɲ�zˁ�rK��ˊ؞˱�m���r���u�j)��y�.+� ��� --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
Have they got SP1 installed? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
Whoops, I take it you mean MOSS SP1? If so, my previous email is correct, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1 installed. Cheers, Daniel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:47 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Hi Aaron, No, the server does not have SP1 applied. Cheers, DB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Have they got SP1 installed? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
Yup WSS/MOSS sp1 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 11:32 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Whoops, I take it you mean MOSS SP1? If so, my previous email is correct, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1 installed. Cheers, Daniel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:47 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Hi Aaron, No, the server does not have SP1 applied. Cheers, DB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Have they got SP1 installed? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL. It is not recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a virtual environment. What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P. Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-MotionDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: listserver@ozMOSS.com Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject.Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
This isn't the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write from disk. Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a virtualised environment? Also, what's Microsoft's official guidance for this ? Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Porter Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL. It is not recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a virtual environment. What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P. Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.auhttp://www.aspug.org.au/ (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.auhttp://www.danielbrown.id.au/ ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
We do run our staging environments on VMs with no problems as such... that said, performance is something less than spectacular. For that reason we NEVER have production VMs. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 4:13 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion This isn't the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write from disk. Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a virtualised environment? Also, what's Microsoft's official guidance for this ? Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Porter Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL. It is not recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a virtual environment. What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P. Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au http://www.aspug.org.au/ (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au http://www.danielbrown.id.au/ ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion
Joel has some info on his blog... http://blogs.msdn.com/joelo/archive/2007/10/16/vhd.aspx and this one from James... http://blogs.msdn.com/jjameson/archive/2007/06/09/virtual-server-issues.aspx and Microsoft's official supportability statement on Virtual environments... http://blogs.msdn.com/sharepoint/archive/2007/01/05/virtual-server-2005-r2-support-for-wss-3-0-and-moss-2007.aspx From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:12:34 +0900Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion This isn’t the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write from disk. Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a virtualised environment? Also, what’s Microsoft’s official guidance for this ? Sezai KömürSenior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave PorterSent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-Motion I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL. It is not recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a virtual environment.What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P. Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS V-MotionDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: listserver@ozMOSS.com Hi all, We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server. We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out. My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost. Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static). Thanks, - Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!) - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au ý Please consider the envrionment before printing this email. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject.Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject.Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject.Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
