RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
I agree with you Bill - Microsoft need an advanced level SharePoint certification. But here’s the thing. Microsoft do get tough when they want to. I was a Cisco CCNP from 2003-2006, but the CCNP exams were actually not as hard the one-off NT4 MCSE to Win2k MCSE exam. For those that were around at that time, Microsoft were stung by the number of ‘paper MSCE’ that were running around doing dumbass things. So they made a free exam for any NT4 MCSE to jump straight to Win2k MSCE and you only had one shot at it. Fail and you have to sit all MCSE exams again. If I recall it was a 4-6 hour sucker and was by far, the single hardest vendor cert exam I ever did and I had to take two weeks off work to study it. Apparently only 11% people passed it. All the NT4 MCSE whined big time about how hard it was but I wholeheartedly supported the increased toughness to try and regain some credibility to the MCSE credential. But in doing the two SharePoint exams (non dev), it feels like they have gone back to NT4 MSCE style thinking. It was ridiculously easy and proves very little. :-( Regards Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 11:04 AM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam This is the problem with most MS certs. I'd much prefer that they moved to Cisco style exams: -A short written exam to weed out people who know NOTHING -4-6 hours to set up XYZ given a set of requirements (architect a farm, setup BDC to pull data from a basic webapp, config search with a few scopes, etc) -Grading by a human examination of results for more advanced exams you'd have to come in a second day after they purposefully break something (change permissions ona file share and tell you search broke and the like)... As it is I don't count exams in someone's favor, and someone who's passed 10-20 I often wonder when they have time for real work :) On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Arjan Paauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem I have is that the questions where identical to the trial exams you can find on the web. I have 3 SharePoint certifications with 100% score.. But I don't feel they are worth anything because I knew all the questions already. It feels like a scam. Cheers, Arjan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sezai komur Sent: Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Yep I did it last year - and the biggest problem with the exam is yeah - such a broad range of topics to study. It's also common for people to only work with a few aspects of MOSS 2007 and people don't end up getting experience in BDC, Excel Services and other parts of the pie. Just do your best to cover EVERYTHING mate. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Uzma Naz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma _ Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01/ Now! --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
No problem Also the MCM is pretty intense as it kind of similar to the exchange ranger program but for sharepoint From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Culmsee Sent: Monday, 13 October 2008 7:36 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Thanks Aaron! I know there was MCM but I never knew about the SharePoint stream. Good stuff... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Monday, 13 October 2008 4:20 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Hi Paul, if you are up to it there is the Microsoft Certified Master (MCM) certification that we have announced recently. check out: http://blogs.msdn.com/vesku/archive/2008/08/01/mcm-for-sharepoint.aspx I will be giving this a shot early next year and will blo about it and share my experiences. After that there is the Microsoft Certified Architect - Sharepoint (MCA) but that is about $12,000USD and has a 70% failure rate. hth. cheers, Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Culmsee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 October 2008 6:09 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam I agree with you Bill - Microsoft need an advanced level SharePoint certification. But here's the thing. Microsoft do get tough when they want to. I was a Cisco CCNP from 2003-2006, but the CCNP exams were actually not as hard the one-off NT4 MCSE to Win2k MCSE exam. For those that were around at that time, Microsoft were stung by the number of 'paper MSCE' that were running around doing dumbass things. So they made a free exam for any NT4 MCSE to jump straight to Win2k MSCE and you only had one shot at it. Fail and you have to sit all MCSE exams again. If I recall it was a 4-6 hour sucker and was by far, the single hardest vendor cert exam I ever did and I had to take two weeks off work to study it. Apparently only 11% people passed it. All the NT4 MCSE whined big time about how hard it was but I wholeheartedly supported the increased toughness to try and regain some credibility to the MCSE credential. But in doing the two SharePoint exams (non dev), it feels like they have gone back to NT4 MSCE style thinking. It was ridiculously easy and proves very little. :-( Regards Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 11:04 AM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam This is the problem with most MS certs. I'd much prefer that they moved to Cisco style exams: -A short written exam to weed out people who know NOTHING -4-6 hours to set up XYZ given a set of requirements (architect a farm, setup BDC to pull data from a basic webapp, config search with a few scopes, etc) -Grading by a human examination of results for more advanced exams you'd have to come in a second day after they purposefully break something (change permissions ona file share and tell you search broke and the like)... As it is I don't count exams in someone's favor, and someone who's passed 10-20 I often wonder when they have time for real work :) On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Arjan Paauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem I have is that the questions where identical to the trial exams you can find on the web. I have 3 SharePoint certifications with 100% score.. But I don't feel they are worth anything because I knew all the questions already. It feels like a scam. Cheers, Arjan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sezai komur Sent: Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.commailto:listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Yep I did it last year - and the biggest problem with the exam is yeah - such a broad range of topics to study. It's also common for people to only work with a few aspects of MOSS 2007 and people don't end up getting experience in BDC, Excel Services and other parts of the pie. Just do your best to cover EVERYTHING mate. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Uzma Naz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now!http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
Hrmm, I passed my (3 of them, haven't done WSS Dev) SharePoint exams without studying or getting the questions from the net, and studied for all of my MCSE ones... I agree that MS qualifications aren't a good indication of skill however. I just think that study should be encouraged over finding the exams on the net. - Brendan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sezai komur Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 2:00 p.m. To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam That's so true - which is why I don't ever take exam scores as an indication of a good developer - which is a shame because some people do the exams without getting trial exams off the web - ie. they study the usual 'honest' way and go into the exam without seeing the questions previously. Some people are good at exams and do well - but the same people when working on real world projects they 'aren't so good' Some people can also FAIL exams badly, but they can be quite good developers when working on actual projects for work... On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Arjan Paauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem I have is that the questions where identical to the trial exams you can find on the web. I have 3 SharePoint certifications with 100% score.. But I don't feel they are worth anything because I knew all the questions already. It feels like a scam. Cheers, Arjan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sezai komur Sent: Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.commailto:listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Yep I did it last year - and the biggest problem with the exam is yeah - such a broad range of topics to study. It's also common for people to only work with a few aspects of MOSS 2007 and people don't end up getting experience in BDC, Excel Services and other parts of the pie. Just do your best to cover EVERYTHING mate. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Uzma Naz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now!http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01/ --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.comhttp://mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.comhttp://mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.comhttp://mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confidential, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and please delete this message completely from any systems. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com
Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
That's so true - which is why I don't ever take exam scores as an indication of a good developer - which is a shame because some people do the exams without getting trial exams off the web - ie. they study the usual 'honest' way and go into the exam without seeing the questions previously. Some people are good at exams and do well - but the same people when working on real world projects they 'aren't so good' Some people can also FAIL exams badly, but they can be quite good developers when working on actual projects for work... On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Arjan Paauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem I have is that the questions where identical to the trial exams you can find on the web. I have 3 SharePoint certifications with 100% score.. But I don't feel they are worth anything because I knew all the questions already. It feels like a scam. Cheers, Arjan *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *sezai komur *Sent:* Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02 PM *To:* listserver@ozmoss.com *Subject:* Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Yep I did it last year - and the biggest problem with the exam is yeah - such a broad range of topics to study. It's also common for people to only work with a few aspects of MOSS 2007 and people don't end up getting experience in BDC, Excel Services and other parts of the pie. Just do your best to cover EVERYTHING mate. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Uzma Naz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma -- Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now!http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01/ --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
There is always a difference between people knowing the technology and giving exams to prove their point vs people trying to do exams first without experience, using the questions floating on the net and then boosting themselves. There is no issue with any sort of certifications, the issue is poeple looking for easy way out and fix the exams instead of focussing and practising.. Ultimately it comes down to this, whether they can convince the clients their knowledge and experience on real world scenarios is enough to get them a job. I personally think the clients are gradually understanding the difference between do-ers and pose-rs.. I have not seen anyone getting a job just because they are certified, it might get you to an interview or atleast a scenario facing excercise. how you proceed from there is where the knowledge and experience comes in. I am certified in few areas, still i get asked very simple and sometimes stupid questions.. well thats what i am trying to say you still have to prove my 2 cents From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 2:16 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam This is the problem with most MS certs. I'd much prefer that they moved to Cisco style exams: -A short written exam to weed out people who know NOTHING -4-6 hours to set up XYZ given a set of requirements (architect a farm, setup BDC to pull data from a basic webapp, config search with a few scopes, etc) -Grading by a human examination of results for more advanced exams you'd have to come in a second day after they purposefully break something (change permissions ona file share and tell you search broke and the like)... As it is I don't count exams in someone's favor, and someone who's passed 10-20 I often wonder when they have time for real work :) On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Arjan Paauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem I have is that the questions where identical to the trial exams you can find on the web. I have 3 SharePoint certifications with 100% score.. But I don't feel they are worth anything because I knew all the questions already. It feels like a scam. Cheers, Arjan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sezai komur Sent: Friday, 10 October 2008 8:02 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Yep I did it last year - and the biggest problem with the exam is yeah - such a broad range of topics to study. It's also common for people to only work with a few aspects of MOSS 2007 and people don't end up getting experience in BDC, Excel Services and other parts of the pie. Just do your best to cover EVERYTHING mate. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Uzma Naz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01/ --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com
RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam
https://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.mspx As of Sep 2008 Worldwide MOSS and WSS certified Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007: Application Development - 3,169 Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007: Configuration - 9,582 Windows SharePoint Services 3.0: Application Development - 2,360 Windows SharePoint Services 3.0: Configuration - 5,402 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uzma Naz Sent: Friday, 10 October 2008 7:30 PM To: listserver@ozmoss.com Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS 2007 Application Development Exam Hiya, My company have asked me to sit an exam to get certification, it is for exam 70-542. I'm pretty confident with the material, just wanted to seek some advice on where to source information, how best to practice material. Areas that I must work on is the BI, BDC, SSO areas, as I have not worked on these for a while. Wondering how many of us have passed this exam! Regards, Uzma Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354030/direct/01/ --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com
