Re: [OSGeoLive] Proposal: Move OSGeo-Live meeting time (due to daylight saving changes)

[massimo di stefano]

Hi,

+1 , 20 UTC works for me.


Have a painless daylight switch,
— Massimo

> On Mar 28, 2018, at 4:39 AM, Johan Van de Wauw  
> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:58 AM, Nicolas Roelandt  > wrote:
> Hi
> 
> +1, 20:00 UTC works for me :)
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 2018-03-28 6:46 GMT+02:00 Astrid Emde (OSGeo)  >:
> +1
> ---
> Astrid Emde
> 
> -
> Astrid Emde
> OSGeo Board Member and OSGeo Secretary
> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
> https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/ 
> 
> astrid_e...@osgeo.org 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 27.03.2018 22 :26 schrieb Ben Caradoc-Davies:
> +1. 20:00 UTC works for me.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ben.
> 
> On 28/03/18 09:16, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Hi folks, daylight saving is changing and as such, we I'm putting forward a 
> proposal to change our weekly meeting time to:
> 
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2018&month=4&day=2&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=179&p2=189&p3=224&p4=22&p5=240&p6=196&p7=215
>  
> 
>  AddAdd to Calendar 
>   
> >
>  Location Local Time Time Zone UTC Offset
> New York  >(USA - New York) 
> Monday, 2 April 2018 at 4:00:00 pm EDT 
>  > UTC-4 hours
> Québec  >(Canada - Quebec) 
> Monday, 2 April 2018 at 4:00:00 pm EDT 
>  > UTC-4 hours
> San Francisco  >(USA - California) 
> Monday, 2 April 2018 at 1:00:00 pm PDT 
>  > UTC-7 hours
> Auckland  >(New Zealand - 
> Auckland) Tuesday, 3 April 2018 at 8:00:00 am NZST 
>  > UTC+12 hours
> Sydney  >(Australia - New 
> South Wales) Tuesday, 3 April 2018 at 6:00:00 am AEST 
>  > UTC+10 hours
> Perth  >(Australia - Western 
> Australia) Tuesday, 3 April 2018 at 4:00:00 am AWST 
>  > UTC+8 hours
> Rome  >(Italy) Monday, 2 
> April 2018 at 10:00:00 pm CEST 
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Re: [OSGeoLive] Repository for OSGeo-Live Jupyter Notebooks

[massimo di stefano]

Hi Christian, Welcome on board!

> On Mar 24, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Christian Strobl  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> my name is Christian Strobl and I am attending at the OSGeo code sprint in 
> Bonn. I have given some workshops for GeoPython with Jupiter Notebook over 
> the last years. Angelos and Astrid told me that OSGeoLive need some people to 
> work on this. So I am offering to work on the “Repository for OSGeo-Live 
> Jupyter Notebooks".
> 
> Best regards and greetings from Bonn
> Christian
> 
> P.S. I confirm that my contributions to OSGeoLive will be compatible with the 
> OSGeoLive license guidelines at the time of contribution.
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Re: [OSGeoLive] Motion 1+2: Appoint Astrid Emde as connecting person to the Marketing Committee and USB manager

[massimo di stefano]

+1 for both motions.

Thanks Asrtid for taking care of these.

—Massimo.

> On Nov 20, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Astrid Emde (OSGeo)  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello OSGeoLive team,
> 
> at todays IRC meeting I volunteered to be the person who will manage USBs and 
> will take care of the OSGeoLive budget and be the connecting person to the 
> Marketing Committee.
> 
> We discussed not to ask for OSGeoLive budget, but to ask Marketing Committee 
> to provide some extra money for our needs (I alredy ask Marketing Committee 
> for it).
> 
> Motion1: Appoint Astrid Emde as connecting person to the Marketing Committee
> 
> Motion2: Appoint Astrid Emde to manage USBs (with the technical help of the 
> team if needed)
> 
> Astrid
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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: That we set up an OSGeo-Live Translators email list

[massimo di stefano]

I’m +0 as well,

In anywise if there will be a translation list I will probably subscribe to it.
looking at the low traffic produced by live-demo list I think it will not 
bother at all to have translation issues in the main list.
Also considering the new transfex approach and the Git-based repository,  there 
will be some technicality that will be of interest to all of us …

Cheers,
papà epi.



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Re: [Live-demo] [live-demo] MOTION: Retire GMT from OSGeo-Live 11.0

[massimo di stefano]

-1 on removal.

PR are in place:

https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/279/files

https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/pull/181/files

I’m traveling with limited connection and hardware.
I confirmed yesterday on IRC that this PR was coming.

Thanks for waiting.
—Massimo.


> On Jul 11, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Based on a previous IRC meeting logs [1], we had two veto votes (-1) on 
> removing GMT from the disk.
> Given the fact that there has been no pull request with a revised GMT 
> quickstart, I would like to make an override motion (majority vote) for 
> removing GMT from 11.0 release.
> 
> Here is my +1,
> Angelos
> 
> [1] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-06-26.log
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Re: [Live-demo] [live-demo] MOTION: Retire PyWPS from OSGeo-Live 11.0

[massimo di stefano]

Hi, I gave the -1 hoping in a late contribution form PyWPS devs.
I tried to reach out the PyWPS community see topic here [1]
As we got no action nor moving forward from the dev-team, I’m +1 on PyWPS 
removal.

Thanks,
Massimo.

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/pywps-dev/2017-June/001112.html 




> On Jul 11, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> 
> Based on a previous IRC meeting logs [1], we had a veto vote (-1) on removing 
> PyWPS from the disk.
> PyWPS quickstart has not been working for some time now [2] and we did not 
> hear back from the maintainers so far.
> I would like to make an override motion (majority vote) for removing PyWPS 
> from 11.0 release.
> 
> Here is my +1,
> Angelos
> 
> [1] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2017-06-26.log
> [2] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1886
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Re: [Live-demo] [Qgis-user] OSGeo Live with VM doesn't work

[massimo di stefano]

I’m testing the live, 64 bit iso, on a parallels VM.

The installation went smooth by first running the live, 
then hit the icon to install it from the live desktop.

The other way to install the live, 
from the booth menu as the iso gets mounted,
didn’t worked for me but I can’t provide any logs at the moment.

Massimo.


> On Mar 25, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marco,
> 
> OSGeo-Live does support both i386 and VMs.
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/download.html 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Angelos
> 
> 
> On 03/25/2017 12:19 PM, Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. wrote:
>> Do you have a PC with a 64bit CPU (and your virtualisation Software
>> supports this)? AFAIK OSGEo Live does not run on 32Bit systems or VMs.
>> And show a behaviour as you described.
>> 
>> Marco
>> 
>> Am 25.03.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Salvatore Oliveto:
>>> Hi, I followed the procedure for installing osgeolive with VM
>>> https://live.osgeo.org/it/quickstart/virtualization_quickstart.html 
>>> ,
>>> but when I start the VM with osgeolive remains black screen and Linux
>>> doesn't start
>>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Chair for Project Management Committee for OSGeo-Live

[massimo di stefano]

+1 Massimo

@Angelos, thnx for the hard work!

> On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:49 AM, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
> 
> We haven't had any PSC members vote on this.
> 
> To make things official, could we please get votes from PSC members 
> (including new members) on proposal to have Angelos act as OSGeo-Live chair.
> 
> +1 Cameorn
> 
> On 3/06/2016 9:00 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Brian, Alex, Angelos, 
>> Welcome to our new OSGeo-Live PSC. (Hamish hasn't responded, and I think it 
>> inappropriate to include him on the PSC without him accepting). 
>> 
>> We need to pick a committee chair. The only difference between a chair and a 
>> normal member is they have 1.5 votes to act as a tie breaker in voting. 
>> 
>> I'd like to nominate Angelos for this role. 
>> +1 Cameron
>> 
>> I'll start another email thread to discuss populating the PSC with new 
>> members.
>> 
>> On 21/05/2016 8:06 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> As suggested in this week's IRC meeting, 
>>> We would like to kickstart the OSGeo-Live Project Steering Committee with 
>>> the core team from prior releases listed in our credits page [1] 
>>> Angelos Tzotsos, Cameron Shorter, Hamish Bowman, Alex Mandel and Brian 
>>> Hamlin 
>>> 
>>> Angelos, Hamish, Alex, Brian, 
>>> Would you do us the honour of accepting a position on the first official 
>>> OSGeo-Live PSC? 
>>> 
>>> Once the first PSC has been established, we would like to invite in people 
>>> who would like to help coordinate OSGeo-Live, who also have a track record 
>>> contributing to the project. Our aim is to be inclusive in selection of the 
>>> PSC. As per our PSC page [2], these are the expectations of PSC members: 
>>> 
>>> * Regularly contribute to OSGeo-Live or related activities 
>>> * Help with whatever dirty work is required to keep the project moving 
>>> forward 
>>> * Monitor OSGeo-Live conversations, either in weekly IRC meetings, or on 
>>> the email list, and contribute constructively where appropriate 
>>> * Vote promptly (within days) to motions being raised 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://live.osgeo.org/en/presentation/index.html#/13 
>>>  
>>> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Management 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 16/05/2016 6:57 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: 
 Hi Angelos, 
 I agree. I've tweaked the wording such that a -1 vote from the community 
 results in referring to the PSC. I've left the PSC vote to be based on 
 majority votes. I'm anticipating that the PSC will have already been 
 involved in the community voting, and referring to the PSC will be rare. 
 
 Warm regards, Cameron 
 
 On 15/05/2016 9:28 pm, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: 
> I am wondering if a -1 should be considered veto, at least for the first 
> round of voting. 
> I propose that the second round should be a majority vote. 
> 
> On 05/15/2016 12:24 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote: 
>> In order to align closer with OGeo-Live incubation principles, we agreed 
>> on the last OSGeo-Live weekly meeting to document and formalise our 
>> management in a Project Management Committee. 
>> 
>> I've put together a draft here: 
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Management 
>>  
>> 
>> Comments welcomed. 
>> I'm hoping to tweak wording, select the first PSC, and formalise 
>> adoption at our next IRC meeting: 
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016&month=5&day=20&hour=20&min=30&sec=0&p1=179&p2=189&p3=224&p4=22&p5=240&p6=196&p7=215
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 
 
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>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Inviting new members for the OSGeo-Live Project Management Committee

[massimo di stefano]

+1 Massimo

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 5:40 AM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to nominate Astrid Emde for the OSGeoLive PSC.
> Astrid has been heavily involved in OSGeoLive development (MapBender 
> maintainer), various presentations in conferences, and one of the most active 
> translation maintainers (second to Cameron, see link).
> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/graphs/contributors 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Angelos
> 
> On 06/03/2016 02:13 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> As per below, we would like to populate the newly formed OSGeo-Live PSC. 
>> 
>> If you know someone who you think would be good on the committee, and who 
>> fits the criteria below, then please consider suggesting them. 
>> 
>> Please ask the person before nominating them, then raise a proposal 
>> recommending they join the PSC. Anyone can nominate another person 
>> (including nominating yourself). The PSC will vote to have people join (or 
>> not). 
>> 
>> I'm hoping to see lots of nominations. 
>> 
>> Warm regards, Cameron 
>> 
>> On 21/05/2016 8:06 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: 
>>> As suggested in this week's IRC meeting, 
>>> We would like to kickstart the OSGeo-Live Project Steering Committee with 
>>> the core team from prior releases listed in our credits page [1] 
>>> Angelos Tzotsos, Cameron Shorter, Hamish Bowman, Alex Mandel and Brian 
>>> Hamlin 
>>> 
>>> Angelos, Hamish, Alex, Brian, 
>>> Would you do us the honour of accepting a position on the first official 
>>> OSGeo-Live PSC? 
>>> 
>>> Once the first PSC has been established, we would like to invite in people 
>>> who would like to help coordinate OSGeo-Live, who also have a track record 
>>> contributing to the project. Our aim is to be inclusive in selection of the 
>>> PSC. As per our PSC page [2], these are the expectations of PSC members: 
>>> 
>>> * Regularly contribute to OSGeo-Live or related activities 
>>> * Help with whatever dirty work is required to keep the project moving 
>>> forward 
>>> * Monitor OSGeo-Live conversations, either in weekly IRC meetings, or on 
>>> the email list, and contribute constructively where appropriate 
>>> * Vote promptly (within days) to motions being raised 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://live.osgeo.org/en/presentation/index.html#/13 
>>>  
>>> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Management 
>>>  
>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] GSOC 2016

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> On Mar 14, 2016, at 9:19 PM, sarthak agarwal  > wrote:

> So what I understand from this is that we need some MVC like architecture 
> where the controller will be written in python which handles the backend and 
> view will be in js which handles the UI and data needs to flow between them . 
> (correct me if I am wrong).
> 

Correct, the MVC system in jupyter is handled by ipywidgets [1] which use 
traitlets [2] to handle the status of a python object (the cesiumwidget uses 
the “on_change” callback to notice python about state-changes of a variable 
happening on the js side)

 https://github.com/ipython/ipywidgets  

 http://traitlets.readthedocs.org/en/stable/ 
 

in the ipywidgets there are standard GUI elements like buttons, sliders, text 
input etc.
part of this project will aim to extent the widgets adding a "JS map canvas” 
which is based on cesium.

> I read the issue and it makes sense to me, but I need to setup the dev env 
> for the project hence I need some time.
> Is the repo of the project same as the issue, or should I clone different 
> repo, and do you have some recommendation before cloning and installing
> 


the main cesiumwidget repository is fine, we can continue the discussion about 
this specific coding task there.

The development of the GUI part during the GSoC period will be based on master 
version of both cesiumwidget, ipywidget and jupiter.
For the processing part the idea will make extensive use of the software tools 
available under the geopython organization http://geopython.github.io/ 


But the time is short, for this coding task you can avoid the installation 
steps and jump right into development.

Just download the latest OSGeo-Live iso from:

http://osprey.ucdavis.edu/downloads/osgeo/gisvm/gisvm/9.5rc1/ 


and install it a Virtual Machine.
you will find the 2 main files in:

/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/CesiumWidget-0.1.0-py2.7.egg/CesiumWidget/cesiumwidget.py
  # for the python code

and in :

/usr/local/share/jupyter/nbextensions/CesiumWidget/cesium_widget.js  # for the 
JS code

Note:

This GSoC idea is a “Cross Project” development idea, where several tools 
available in the Open Source Ecosystem are used and development of novel code 
is required. I will focus on the use of the software tools available under the 
geopython organization http://geopython.github.io/ 
  
where the JS-cesiumwidget is used as map canvas to expose the capabilities of 
software libraries like owslib, pywps and pycsw.

The OSGeo-Live here is used as “substrate” where all this tools and data are 
made available. This will simplify the development of cross projects ideas and 
focus on “development” of novel tools.

For this idea to be successful a second co-mentor with a good JS background is 
desired.
I’ll add more details on the GSoC page late today.

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Re: [Live-demo] Notebook-review

[massimo di stefano]

Cameron,

this efforts is to ensure the work done for the GSoC-2015 will receive a proper 
review as it didn’t get the required attention during the GSoC period. 
That’s the objective of the wiki page on the relative github repository.

It is obvious that notebooks as well as any other contribution to the live, 
needs guidelines and rules. 
in my previous mail I addressed some of them in the section:

contributing new notebooks to the live
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html 
<https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html>


Of course the OSGeo wiki is the right place for those guidelines.

Note: 
Notebook guidelines is a separate task from the GSoC notebook review, where 
those guidelines are (and will) respected.

I started to add information here:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Notebooks 
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Notebooks>

feel free to move them on a temporary page if you prefer. We can make it public 
when ready.


> On Mar 14, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Massimo,
> I also agree that a review process is in order. I'd actually extend to 
> suggest that a development process should be described as well, and that we 
> should align with existing OSGeo-Live documentation processes.
> 
> Ie, we should be able to find Notebook processes linked from here:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Documentation 
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Documentation>
> I also think that we should describe the processes in the OSGeo-Live wiki 
> (which uses media wiki) rather than a git wiki. This is to ensure consistency 
> with the rest of OSGeo-Live. Although I'm open to being convinced otherwise 
> if there are strong advantages to using a git wiki.
> 
> I'd suggest following a similar style to the Quickstart guide:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Application_Quick_Start 
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Application_Quick_Start>
> For example, create a template Notebook, with comments, that someone else can 
> follow to create a new Quickstart.

we can agree in having a template system for heading and footer of each 
notebook, have a look at the header in the GSoC notebooks where the first cell 
is a markdown cell which help the user to navigate the notebook server 
filesystem 

(NOTE: you need to run the notebook in order to see it)

> 
> I see our weak point from an OSGeo-Live project's point of view is sourcing a 
> person or people willing to provide detailed review of the Notebooks.
> In particular, it is a significant time sink reviewing documentation to 
> ensure it has well formed, concise English, at the standard of a technical 
> text book. (This is the standard we have been targeting so far, and I believe 
> Notebooks should also be required to meet this standard).
> I'd guess that about 60% of time of creating a good notebook would be in 
> writing code, 40% in describing it.
> 
> Massimo, for context, your docs are quite good, but I'd estimate that they 
> would be ~ 10% to 20% of your effort would be required to review the docs to 
> our current standards. Reviewing the English in your Quickstart took me 3 to 
> 4 hours, and that didn't include running any of the steps.
> 
> Sourcing someone with good English writing skills to write Notebooks will 
> help the review process a lot.

I’m sorry but in my understanding this should have been part of a mentor's 
responsibility during my gsoc.
I had a very good experience with the other 2 mentors who have don a great job 
in reviewing and addressing the technical part of my GSoC. 
I should remind you that according with pre-GSoC discussion your rule was to 
contribute in the non-technical aspects of the project.

> 
> Cheers, Cameron
> 
> On 15/03/2016 5:08 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi Massimo,
>> 
>> I agree that we need a review process for all notebooks (not just GSoC).
>> 
>> +1
>> Angelos
>> 
>> On 03/14/2016 01:11 AM, massimo di stefano wrote:
>>> From the discussion we had so far it is clear to me we need a *official 
>>> revision procedure* to have the work done for the GSoC integrated into the 
>>> live.
>>> 
>>> I agreed in “hiding”  the jupyter notebook, and so the GSoC work, from this 
>>> release of the Live,
>>> in favor of a transparent public commitment to review the efforts done.
>>> 
>>> IMHO the spreadsheet approach we use for project review doesn’t apply very 
>>> well in this context.
>>> To facilitate keeping track of the review and facilitate potential new 
>>> contributors,
>>> I propose to open a motion in

Re: [Live-demo] GSOC 2016

[massimo di stefano]

> On Mar 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, sarthak agarwal  wrote:
> 
> Hello devs,
> 
> I read the last year's GSOC page and proposal and now I guess I have s brief 
> idea about the project. And I am very interested in contributing to it.
> I today mailed massimo and waiting for his reply.

Hi Sarthak Can you provide us more info about your programming background 
(languages) and to any work/project you did with open source geospatial 
software?

I also recommend to have a detailed look at:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students 

and a look at how past proposal are structured. The student is suppose to 
compile a complete proposal including a detailed timeline. 

> 
> But I cannot find the reports of the last year's project. So I have some 
> doubts regarding what should be done next. If anyone of you can give me a 
> small task to test my skills it will be really good.

you can find a black of the reports at:
http://epinux.com/OSGeo-live/osgeolive-gsoc-2015/Report/ 




The main coding-part of the GSoC-2015 idea focus on the development of a js 
widget to render and interact geospatial data within a notebook.
Cesium-js has been chosen as map-canvas, so most of the development will happen 
on the cesium widget code but the same code-concepts apply with any other 
js-map canvas. Essentially what is needed is a “bi-directional communication” 
between python and js (which is performed using the ipywidget library).

There are unresolved issue that you can start with.
The first basic one is to have the cesium-js mouse action and camera parameters 
sending back information to the python kernel.

see this issue:
https://github.com/petrushy/CesiumWidget/issues/17 


To test your skill:

essentially what is needed is a global variable say:“camera view” 
where info about the camera status [lat, lon, roll, pitch, heading] are stored

From python we want the functions ```zoom_to``` and  ```fly_to``` to use this 
variable to update the camera status

and we also want update the same variable “ camera view” 
each time the status of the camera will change (from the js side, eng: each 
time the user will pan, zoom etc .. the cesium globe)

Hope it make sense, feel free to mail me, add comment on the github issue or 
join us on irc.

Note: there is an other student which already showed interest in the same 
project, he/she is in cc to this mail.

Thanks,

Massimo.


> 
> Also I would like to talk about the project proposal to be submitted next 
> week.
> 
> Regards,
> Sarthak
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:12 AM, sarthak agarwal  > wrote:
> Thank you for the reply Cameron. 
> 
> I will try to read all the previous mail related to this project from 
> archives and try to make sense out of by them.
> I will get back to you by tomorrow with my revised understanding and doubts.
> 
> Meanwhile any help from the community will be highly appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Sarthak
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Cameron Shorter  > wrote:
> Hi Sarthak,
> You will like get better answers to your question by going to the OSGeo-Live 
> email list.
> Re clarity on what is required for this project, no need to apologise, as I 
> think that we in the OSGeo-Live community need to provide the clarity to 
> ourselves. I'm hoping Massimo will respond with some suggestions.
> Warm regards, Cameron
> 
> 
> On 12/03/2016 6:22 am, sarthak agarwal wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply Cameron.
>> 
>> I read the blog and last year's proposal 
>> 
>>  and what I understood from it is -
>> 1. "Create a notebook for OSgeo live (I am not very sure which all topics 
>> will be covered in the notebook)." 
>> 2. The project has already started last year and I have to add more topics 
>> to it (Correct me if I am wrong).
>> 3. The notebook will contain description of the dataset and some kind of code
>> 
>> Right Now my understanding is pretty vague, sorry for that.
>> 
>> Can you please elaborate the idea so that I have a clearer picture of what 
>> is needed in the project. And also what will be the scope of the project 
>> (GSOC)?
>> 
>> Would you like me to do any qualification task to back my technical skills, 
>> I'll be happy to do it.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Cameron Shorter < 
>> cameron.shor...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> Hello Sarthak,
>> I'm CCing the other OSGeo-Live mentor, Massimo.
>> I suggest you also CC our email list:  
>> Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org 
>> .
>> 
>> The current OSGeo-Live proposal builds upon last

[Live-demo] Notebook-review

[massimo di stefano]

From the discussion we had so far it is clear to me we need a *official 
revision procedure* to have the work done for the GSoC integrated into the live.

I agreed in “hiding”  the jupyter notebook, and so the GSoC work, from this 
release of the Live,
in favor of a transparent public commitment to review the efforts done.

IMHO the spreadsheet approach we use for project review doesn’t apply very well 
in this context.
To facilitate keeping track of the review and facilitate potential new 
contributors, 
I propose to open a motion in accepting the use of github checklist+issue 
tracker to keep track of the review process.

I started this page, which should help in making this possible:

https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/wiki/Notebook-review 
 
> 

We can improve it making it more clear, but should give you the idea.

This motion is to validate the work done during GSoC, which is:

“Development of educational material in the form of interactive notebooks”

and to help the coordination between potential contributors for this specific 
topic.



Here it is my +1


Cheers,
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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: merge GSoC-2015 PR

[massimo di stefano]

Thanks Johan,

I really appreciated the feedback and the testing!

I also hope more people will be nterested in contributing to those noteboks.

the attempt to release everything for 9.5 failed .. it failed becose I'm
alone.
I'm sure that with a group of dev we can have every issuesorted out in a
very short time.

My aim is to develop valid educational material with rich documentation and
linking all togethere (not a showcase from sw project, which also make
sense and is needed, but is not my target).

Inspiration to write a novel notebook? Just go on gis stack exchange chose
an hard common task that people struggle with ... and develop an OSGeo
notebook to solve the problem.

Answer to the stack exchange pointing to a link that refers to the
osgeolive notebook .. and I'm sure it will have an impact on the general
GIS users.

Thanks a lot for the feedback again :)

The link when the OSGeo user start the notebook serer should open the
browser and point to the  "notebook dashboard" linking to the TOC:

https://github.com/johanvdw/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/c80543a1f2cf6820f2e9bff1a1e0d12744380ee1/index.ipynb

in the short TOC there is an introduction to the usage of the notebook:

https://github.com/johanvdw/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/c80543a1f2cf6820f2e9bff1a1e0d12744380ee1/introduction-to-jupyter-notebook.ipynb

which point to "shift+enter" kind of stuff ...

anyone who want be involved in this develpment,
please partecipate to the motion for the notebook evaluation.

is a long way to go ... but i'm sure you will enjoy the trip...

cheers,
Massimo
On 10 Mar 2016 18:09, "Johan Van de Wauw"  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Johan Van de Wauw
>  wrote:
>
> > This being said, the few notebooks I ran (GDAL, GDAL python and OSSIM)
> > were very nice and in their current shape a good addition to OSGeo
> > live. I'm +1 on adding them as a project on the live DVD.
>
> After checking the other notebooks, I'm revising:  -1 on adding all of
> them. +1 on adding the three ones mentioned above which are really
> good. Quality over quantity.
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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: merge GSoC-2015 PR

[massimo di stefano]

ays left 
>> before the our final release candidate is due, and multiple notebooks (say 
>> 20+ ?) which I suggest need review to get to same level of review as Project 
>> Overviews and Quickstarts. 
>> 
>> 9. Also on quantity of material, we are introducing a maintenance load for 
>> future OSGeo-Live releases, and we are as yet to build up a community of 
>> volunteers willing to maintain these notebooks. Massimo and Brian have been 
>> doing a great job creating these notebooks, but are already under time 
>> pressure to update for this release, let alone future releases. I think we 
>> need to reach out to all projects with the offer of: 
>> "A notebook has been created for your project. If you are prepared to review 
>> it now, and commit to verifying it is still valid before each OSGeo-Live 
>> release, then we will include the notebook on OSGeo-Live." 
>> 
>> -- 
>> So my recommendation is to either: 
>> A. Include Notebooks on next OSGeo-Live 9.5, but remove reference to it from 
>> main docs. (My preference at this point) 
>> 
>> B. Include ONE Jupyter notebook example which can be found from main docs, 
>> which we make sure is well reviewed. All the remainder of Notebooks to be 
>> hidden. (This will likely be a messy solution, as we'd probably need to move 
>> directories around so they are hard to find for a new user). 
>> 
>> On 9/03/2016 11:44 pm, massimo di stefano wrote: 
>>> To All, 
>>> 
>>> during the last 2 years I worked in having the python software ecosystem 
>>> included in the OSGeo-Live. 
>>> The PR proposed below [1] is a first step towards the official inclusion of 
>>> this work into the project. 
>>> 
>>> As you may have noticed from previous e-email [2] there isn’t a clear 
>>> agreement on the decision to take. 
>>> We had an IRC discussion (logs [3]) with an initial motion to merge the 
>>> notebook PR. 
>>> 
>>> I would like to have a voting started here on the mailing. 
>>> this is mine: 
>>> 
>>>  +1 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Massimo. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> === 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5 
>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5> 
>>> [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html 
>>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html> 
>>> [3] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2016-03-07.log 
>>> <http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2016-03-07.log> 
>>> <http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/#osgeolive.2016-03-07.log> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: Include Jupyter as beta in 9.5 release

[massimo di stefano]

+1 

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
> +1 Cameron
> 
> On 10/03/2016 9:12 pm, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> In order to resolve the Jupyter mess, this is my new proposal:
>> 
>> 1. Accept the pull request from Massimo
>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5
>> This way his work will be acknowledged, the same way as previous Notebook 
>> work done by Brian.
>> 
>> 2. Since we are too close to release and there are concerns about the 
>> publication quality of the Notebooks, I propose we do not link Jupyter to 
>> our main docs, so the visibility is low for new users.
>> 
>> This way we avoid going into a dead-end discussion about which notebooks to 
>> select etc.
>> 
>> 3. We reconsider the Notebook git organization towards a proper inclusion 
>> for release 10.0.
>> 
>> Starting with my +1
>> 
>> Best,
>> Angelos
>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: merge GSoC-2015 PR

[massimo di stefano]

 we are introducing a maintenance load for 
> future OSGeo-Live releases, and we are as yet to build up a community of 
> volunteers willing to maintain these notebooks. Massimo and Brian have been 
> doing a great job creating these notebooks, but are already under time 
> pressure to update for this release, let alone future releases. I think we 
> need to reach out to all projects with the offer of:
> "A notebook has been created for your project. If you are prepared to review 
> it now, and commit to verifying it is still valid before each OSGeo-Live 
> release, then we will include the notebook on OSGeo-Live.”

As per the GSoC notebooks, I think I’m demonstrating that you should not worry 
about their maintenance.

I addressed your comment, I can’t speak for the notebooks under the projects 
directory.

My recommendation is:

we can rename the GSoC-2015 directory .. perhaps with the name of the idea 
itself which is:

Open Source Geospatial Notebooks.

then if you have concerns about the “projects" directory, we can comment it out 
from the table of contents and leave it on disc.

note the quick start and overview they both uses the GSoC material, so they 
will not be affected.


> 
> --
> So my recommendation is to either:
> A. Include Notebooks on next OSGeo-Live 9.5, but remove reference to it from 
> main docs. (My preference at this point)
> 
> B. Include ONE Jupyter notebook example which can be found from main docs, 
> which we make sure is well reviewed. All the remainder of Notebooks to be 
> hidden. (This will likely be a messy solution, as we'd probably need to move 
> directories around so they are hard to find for a new user).
> 
> On 9/03/2016 11:44 pm, massimo di stefano wrote:
>> To All,
>> 
>> during the last 2 years I worked in having the python software ecosystem 
>> included in the OSGeo-Live.
>> The PR proposed below [1] is a first step towards the official inclusion of 
>> this work into the project.
>> 
>> As you may have noticed from previous e-email [2] there isn’t a clear 
>> agreement on the decision to take.
>> We had an IRC discussion (logs [3]) with an initial motion to merge the 
>> notebook PR.
>> 
>> I would like to have a voting started here on the mailing.
>> this is mine:
>> 
>>  +1
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Massimo.
>> 
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> [1] https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5 
>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5>
>> [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html 
>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html>
>> [3] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2016-03-07.log 
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[Live-demo] Motion: merge GSoC-2015 PR

[massimo di stefano]

To All,

during the last 2 years I worked in having the python software ecosystem 
included in the OSGeo-Live.
The PR proposed below [1] is a first step towards the official inclusion of 
this work into the project.

As you may have noticed from previous e-email [2] there isn’t a clear agreement 
on the decision to take.
We had an IRC discussion (logs [3]) with an initial motion to merge the 
notebook PR.

I would like to have a voting started here on the mailing.
this is mine:

 +1


Thanks,
Massimo.


===

[1] https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5 

[2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html 

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Re: [Live-demo] OSGeoLive 9.5 status: pre-RC - Jupyter Notebooks

[massimo di stefano]

Hi,

I’ll try to address some of the issues raised in the last couple of mails:

1)  concern about adding extra materials to the live
2) Include or drop jupyter from 9.5 release
3) contributing new notebooks to the live
4) which notebook to include on Osgeo-Live 9.5


1) About the concern in adding extra materials to the live:

To address: 
Cameron:
>>> I concerned about how much new material we are attempting add related to 
>>> Jupyter notebooks, all at the last moment.

Angelos:
> Furthermore, as part of the Jupyter setup, a big number [2] [3] of Python 
> projects/libraries were also added to OSGeoLive, as soft dependencies to 
> support Notebooks, without official review or decision by the community,


From the dependencies listed by Angelos and linked here:

> [2] https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/master/bin/install_jupyter.sh#L30 
> 
> [3] https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/master/bin/install_jupyter.sh#L43 
> 

My proposed PR —>  https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5 



uses the following packages:

###
python-matplotlib 
python-scipy
goal-bin 

python-geographiclib 
python-geocoder 
###

From which only the last 2 are new to  the osgeolive. 
The other packages where already installed in the previous version of the 
OSGeo-live 
and are pretty common in the OSGeo software ecosystem.

In the PR comments, I added notes on its footprint, which is in the order of 10 
MB.


2) Include jupyter YES or NO

I’ll leave this to the community, but i should clarify that:

-  ’there is a tremendous amount of work behind the finally complete jupiter 
packaging’ that makes the live a better product.
-   all the notebooks developed for the GSoC are working just fine with ipython 
notebook  as well as with jupiter notebook. 

And I should point out that:
-  ipython notebook is not something new to the OSGeo-live, it is more than one 
year that is shipped within the OSGeo-live.
-  the notebook has been successful adopted by some of the main OSGeo projects 
during OSGeo-conference workshops 
   (see [1] [2] as example) 
- to have the GSoC merged into the current OSGeo-live, there is no need of 
jupiter ... if you really want to drop it :( .


3) contributing new notebooks to the live:

Although the notebook can be used as a “scripting tool” or like a simple ide 
IMHO the notebook is not just that, the notebook adds the capabilities to 
include rich descriptive narrative to a data processing workflow including the 
possibilities to interact with data through a nicely done widget interactive 
system  and finally enabling the printing of publication-ready reports (see 
latex inline rendering and pdf export).

Also, on the OSGeo-live, we are aiming (AFAIK) to use the same `common dataset` 
among projects (or, at least, we attempt to) this way different software 
projects can be more easily compared,  say for complexity of their usage or for 
output quality/performance comparison.

Having said that, 
from a first look at all the other notebooks (or I should say, the only ones if 
the PR will be not accepted ) shipped within the OSGeo-live I noticed  that 
almost all the notebooks under the “projects” folder [3] are not the result of 
original work. Some of those notebooks are just a carbon copy of the examples 
.py (script) code from the relative `project src code` on GitHub and the 
potential offered by the notebook platform is not exploited at all. … no 
problem from my side in having them included on the OSGeo-live, but I hope the 
contributors of those notebook will make a more effective use of the tool.

Moreover, almost none of those notebooks make use of the data we already ship 
within the live… 
Hint: the notebook developer (I said developer, right … not just contributors) 
can make use of one of the power of the notebook which is the capability of 
mixing python and bash in the same document . ...
eg. you need a geoJSON file? just use ‘ogr2ogr' to convert one of our ’shape 
file' to the format you need … or make a numpy loop generate user defined novel 
data .. perhaps from a nice query to PostGIS (via psycopg) … it  will take few 
lines of code and a nicely done HTML description for each step)


4) which notebook to include on OSGeo-Live 9.5

trying to address this:

>> I'm proposing that we release just a few of the Notebooks first, seek 
>> community feedback on this small subset, adapt if required. But most 
>> importantly build an OSGeo-Live notebook community and buy in before going 
>> too wide.


while I’d love to see more people contributing to the notebook ecosystem on the 
OSGeo-live as well. In regards to the GSoC notebooks, I can’t see how possibly 
can be to apply this:

‘'' release just a few of the Notebooks ‘’’ 

To the GSoC’s notebooks.

If you have an idea of what the GS

Re: [Live-demo] Renaming iPython docs as Jupyter?

[massimo di stefano]

Cameron,

I’m done with the overview:

https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/overview/jupyter_overview.rst
 
<https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/overview/jupyter_overview.rst>

I’ll find some time tomorrow to work on the quick starter and on adding the 
html static documentation (so can be used offline)

Hope to work on the install script late tomorrow night  and test it in a new 
build before next beta.

Massimo.


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM, massimo di stefano  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Cameron,
> 
> I can look into this late today.
> 
> Thanks,
> Massimo.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Cameron Shorter  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Massimo,
>> Am I right in understanding that we should be renaming iPython docs as 
>> Jupyter?
>> Is there any chance you would have some time to look into this soon? I'll 
>> commit to reviewing once you are done.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cameron Shorter,
>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>> LISAsoft
>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>> 
>> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099
>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Renaming iPython docs as Jupyter?

[massimo di stefano]

Hi Cameron,

I can look into this late today.

Thanks,
Massimo.

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Massimo,
> Am I right in understanding that we should be renaming iPython docs as 
> Jupyter?
> Is there any chance you would have some time to look into this soon? I'll 
> commit to reviewing once you are done.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> -- 
> Cameron Shorter,
> Software and Data Solutions Manager
> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
> 
> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099
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Re: [Live-demo] MOTION: OSGeoLive 9.0 web site and docs

[massimo di stefano]

+1 

thank you so much for all the hard work you all put in releasing 9.0!

Best!

Massimo.


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Brian and I have patched the download pages for all languages (adding both 32 
> and 64 bit links).
> Luca has fixed the presentation build with a pull request. The English and 
> German presentations do not mix anymore (also fixed in debian rule file)
> 
> I think that the adhoc build is ok for release:
> http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/index.html
> 
> MOTION:
> Lets 1. Copy the adhoc build to live.osgeo.org (Alex can you please handle 
> this since you have access to that VM?)
> 2. After the web site is in place I will make the announcement using the 
> following press release:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_61
> 
> Starting with my +1
> 
> Best,
> Angelos
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Release Schedule for 7.0

[massimo di stefano]

I'm back online but working on an abstract (deadline tomorrow 7)  if we can
wait till then..  I'll be happy to make a fresh rebuild using the new
gdal...  Unfortunately a lot of dev packages (including osg) seems to be
broken in both debian and ubuntu repository because of recent updates to
gdal and GTiff.
Can you resume what's the status of packages like grass,  gdal and gdal
grass?
See you on irc.
Massimo
On Aug 6, 2013 3:19 AM, "Angelos Tzotsos"  wrote:

> Hi Cameron,
>
> Yes, all applications seem to be working fine since beta2. We need to send
> out a call for more testing. Perhaps a 48h hackathlon like 6.5?
>
> Hopefully we can get a fix for OSSIM soon, else we will need to exclude it
> from 7.0 release.
>
> Regarding docs, I believe most overviews have not changed much since 6.5
> (except version numbers).
> Thanks for reviewing the new projects.
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
>
> On 08/06/2013 02:01 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
>> Hi Angelos,
>> I think you proposal is good. I assume we can progress reviews of all
>> apps (barring OSSIM) at this point?
>>
>> Sorry for the delays in reviews of docs and chasing people, I haven't had
>> as much time to dedicate to docs for this release.
>>
>>
>> On 6/08/2013 4:31 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> According to our schedule [1] today is the day for all applications to
>>> be in place and the nightly [2][3] should pass the UAT.
>>> Unfortunately we are having a problem with one application (ossim) [4].
>>> It also seems that docs are a bit behind schedule too (many commits in
>>> the last couple of days).
>>> Given that translations are not supposed to be ready until 12-Aug-2013 I
>>> motion to slip RC1 to that date and stick to our final release date for
>>> 26-Aug-2013, which means that we will have only one RC (as in 6.5 release)
>>> unless a blocker comes up.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Angelos
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**0Al9zh8DjmU_**
>>> RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNc**lE#gid=0
>>> [2] http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/**gisvm/dev/osgeo-live-debug-**
>>> build10635-i386.iso
>>> [3] http://osprey.ucdavis.edu/**downloads/osgeo/gisvm/gisvm/7.**
>>> 0nightly/osgeo-live-debug-**build10635-i386.iso
>>> [4] 
>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/**ticket/1159
>>> --
>>> Angelos Tzotsos
>>> Remote Sensing Laboratory
>>> National Technical University of Athens
>>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>>>
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Re: [Live-demo] [live-demo] OSSIM installation

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi Angelos,

unfortunately the new ossim trunk build only against osg 2.8 .. quite old, 
while the standard osg pkg on ubuntu is 3.0+ (also used by osgearth)
to avoid duplication of libs and save space on the live i'm waiting the ossim 
dev team to finally switch to osg 3.0. before to spend more time on packaging 
the ossim suite for the live.

in the main time i'm working hard trying to integrate into the osgeolive ossim- 
package also the OMAR sw and the 3 years GSOC's.
this will require a lot of work and time ... i'm not ready for this osgeo 
release.

hopefully soon i'll be able to have a .deb working … but until then … 
please go ahead for the ossim-core package installation
(of course the quick start will not work on it)

i hope to find more time and resource to support  the osgeolive-ossim installer 
in the next months

Massimo.


Il giorno Jul 15, 2012, alle ore 6:40 PM, Angelos Tzotsos ha scritto:

> Hi,
> 
> I have seen in beta1 that ossim is not installed and that an ossim-core 
> package is available through apt... should we switch to that?
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] updating trunk to xubuntu 12.04

[Massimo Di Stefano]

the ossim stuff will not works on 12.04 using the default osg 3.x
the dev need to adapt the code to run with osg 3.x (ossim is stuck on 2.8) 
… an hack for me will be to build osg2.8 and store only the needed lib the 
binary pkg … but this will increase the pkg size.

 i mailed the ossim list to worn them about this.

Massimo.

i've a runing vm 12.04 to test the live build too. (it gives me problem with 
the vbox additions, the mouse pointer has a bad offset .. anyone with the same 
problem ?  )


Il giorno Apr 28, 2012, alle ore 10:48 PM, Angelos Tzotsos ha scritto:

> On 04/29/2012 03:47 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> On 04/29/2012 02:09 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> On 04/29/2012 01:40 AM, Hamish wrote:
 Hamish wrote:
>> everyone ready to update trunk to xubuntu 12.04?
>> 
>> better that we wait on projects rather than projects wait on
>> us.
 Alex:
> Biggest delay right now is that Ubuntugis isn't up to
> Precise yet.
 the wheels are now in motion. they'll catch up.
 
 
 Angelos:
>   From what I see, until we have precise target in ubuntugis
> repository, we can only test installation on packages that
> are not included there...
 yup, but there are a bunch of those.
 
 (and fwiw contributing projects need to vet their own scripts,
 &  not wait for us to tell them that they're broken)
 
 
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>>> I am testing the install_mysql script and I see there is no mysql-admin 
>>> package.
>>> I am commenting it out for now...
>>> 
>> 
>> Until now I have reviewed:
>> 
>> setup.sh
>> install_services.sh
>> install_mysql.sh
>> install_java.sh
>> install_apache2.sh
>> install_tomkat6.sh
>> 
>> For Java, I added the default JDK for ubuntu 12.04 which is default-jdk == 
>> openjdk-6-jdk
>> Is there a reason we want openjdk-7 apart from being a newer version? Why 
>> version 6 is still the default in ubuntu?
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Angelos
>> 
> More updates:
> 
> install_geoserver.sh
> install_geomajas.sh
> install_geonetwork.sh
> install_pycsw.sh
> 
> All the above scripts work ok.
> 
> Also tested deegree installation and it works but there is an issue stopping 
> the service. I think this will be fixed since there is a new stable version 
> of deegree to use for 6.0.
> 
> Angelos
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] New apps for 6.0

[Massimo Di Stefano]

I think here we should start to think a better way to save space :
-Remove the installer for osx and windows (put them in a separate disk and 
leave the link to download them inside the live).
-Tring to use as much we can the same set of data for all the apps  … big 
challenge
-Switch to open-jdk for the java apps , 

this 3 steps will allow us to save a lot of space.

i don't like th idea to split the Live-Demo in function group (if the demo is 
used as showcase for the geo-app)
that idea make sense instead to build a Live dedicated for educational purpose 
(where the teacher/student needs more data more tutorials and less apps)

--Massimo.

p.s. 
Maybe, can be this a topic to discuss at OSGeo-NA ? 

Il giorno Apr 10, 2012, alle ore 1:49 AM, Simon Cropper ha scritto:

> Hi,
> 
> As a suggestion, why don't you split the Live-Demo into function groups...
> 
> 1. Desktop applications + related open data and content
> 2. Web-based Applications + related open data and content
> 3. Data Management Applications + related open data and content
> 
> It is very rare that the functional requirements of a user spans one or more 
> groups, and if it did they probably wouldn't worry about downloading 1-2 ISO 
> files or picking up two separate CDs.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers Simon
> 
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> 
>   Free and Open Source Software Workflow Guides
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Re: [Live-demo] OSSIM not working on live 4.5

[Massimo Di Stefano]

i tried to debug the problems :

- ossimplanet worked on the latest live.iso (5.0-beta)

- imagelinker instead had some trouble : 
  the binary package was using gdal1.8.0 (i checked on libgdalossim_plugin.so)
  there was 2 missed packages :  libqt4-qt3support, libgdal1-1.8.0-grass

i applied the needed change to the svn install script.

i guess all will works on the osgeolive 5.0.x release.


--Massimo.

Il giorno 10/ago/2011, alle ore 00.43, Hamish ha scritto:

> [sorry for top-posting]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the ossim package fails to install because the install script
> wants libgdal 1.7.0, but only 1.6.0 and 1.8.0 are available.
> (ubuntu 11.04 natty + ubuntugis's PPA)
> 
> I have just modified the script to bail out if the package
> dependencies fail to install, but if this doesn't get fixed
> very soon it isn't going to ship. :-(
> 
> there may or may not be other problems, but the above is an
> obvious one.
> 
> see the build logs for details
>  http://live.osgeo.org/dev/build/
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Hamish
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eduardo wrote:
>> hi there,
>> 
>> just to report: with the same DVD I used with my notebook,
>> I installed a common desktop machine and ossim command line
>> tools is running fine on that.
>> 
>> If is there any trick that I can do for debugging purposes,
>> feel free to tell me.
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> *Eduardo Patto Kanegae*
>> http://www.webmapit.com
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Cameron Shorter
>> 
>> Massimo,
>> I'm not sure if you have seen this error report from
>> Eduardo for OSSIM?
>> 
>> On 27/07/11 23:20, Eduardo Kanegae wrote:
>>>   Hi,
>>> 
>>>   First of all, I found DVD live very nice. It's a very kind solution
>>>   for those who are looking for a simple solution of 'how to build a
>>>   Linux GIS workstation in 20minutes'.
>>> 
>>>   I already had tested most of instaled GIS applications, including
>>>   visual/gui interfaces of OSSIM packages but OSSIM command line tools
>>>   it's not working. Eg.
>>> 
>>>   $ ossim-create-histo myimage1.tif
>>>   says:
>>>   ossim-create-histo: symbol lookup error:
>> ossim-create-histo: undefined
>>>   symbol:
>> _ZNK25ossimImageHandlerRegistry4openERK13ossimFilename
>>> 
>>>   and
>>>   $ ossim-info myimage2.tif
>>>   says:
>>>   ossim-create-histo: symbol lookup error:
>> ossim-create-histo: undefined
>>>   symbol:
>> _ZNK25ossimImageHandlerRegistry4openERK13ossimFilename
>>> 
>>>   Last info: I'm not using the 'user' account. I've created a new
>>>   account for me.
>>> 
>>>   thanks in advance
> 

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Re: [Live-demo] OSSIM not working on live 4.5

[Massimo Di Stefano]

i'm going to build it again 
... anyway the last time (more or less 2 weeks ago) that i tried the .iso it 
worked fine, that's weird ...

i'll post something about in the next h.

--massimo.


Il giorno 10/ago/2011, alle ore 00.43, Hamish ha scritto:

> [sorry for top-posting]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the ossim package fails to install because the install script
> wants libgdal 1.7.0, but only 1.6.0 and 1.8.0 are available.
> (ubuntu 11.04 natty + ubuntugis's PPA)
> 
> I have just modified the script to bail out if the package
> dependencies fail to install, but if this doesn't get fixed
> very soon it isn't going to ship. :-(
> 
> there may or may not be other problems, but the above is an
> obvious one.
> 
> see the build logs for details
>  http://live.osgeo.org/dev/build/
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Hamish
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eduardo wrote:
>> hi there,
>> 
>> just to report: with the same DVD I used with my notebook,
>> I installed a common desktop machine and ossim command line
>> tools is running fine on that.
>> 
>> If is there any trick that I can do for debugging purposes,
>> feel free to tell me.
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> *Eduardo Patto Kanegae*
>> http://www.webmapit.com
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Cameron Shorter
>> 
>> Massimo,
>> I'm not sure if you have seen this error report from
>> Eduardo for OSSIM?
>> 
>> On 27/07/11 23:20, Eduardo Kanegae wrote:
>>>   Hi,
>>> 
>>>   First of all, I found DVD live very nice. It's a very kind solution
>>>   for those who are looking for a simple solution of 'how to build a
>>>   Linux GIS workstation in 20minutes'.
>>> 
>>>   I already had tested most of instaled GIS applications, including
>>>   visual/gui interfaces of OSSIM packages but OSSIM command line tools
>>>   it's not working. Eg.
>>> 
>>>   $ ossim-create-histo myimage1.tif
>>>   says:
>>>   ossim-create-histo: symbol lookup error:
>> ossim-create-histo: undefined
>>>   symbol:
>> _ZNK25ossimImageHandlerRegistry4openERK13ossimFilename
>>> 
>>>   and
>>>   $ ossim-info myimage2.tif
>>>   says:
>>>   ossim-create-histo: symbol lookup error:
>> ossim-create-histo: undefined
>>>   symbol:
>> _ZNK25ossimImageHandlerRegistry4openERK13ossimFilename
>>> 
>>>   Last info: I'm not using the 'user' account. I've created a new
>>>   account for me.
>>> 
>>>   thanks in advance
> 

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[Live-demo] Publicly confirming that I am ok with proposed osgeo-live license for OSSIM

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Concerning OSSIM project:

I confirm that my past contributions to OSGeo-Live may be used under the 
current OSGeo-Live license guidelines. 

I confirm that my future contributions will be compatible with the OSGeo-Live 
license guidelines at the time of contribution. 

The current OSGeo-Live license guidelines are: 
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License for Quickstarts
Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License for Project Overviews
A version of LGPL for install scripts
One of the OSI approved Open Source licenses for installed applications 
(currently GPLv2 for Kosmo Desktop)
I have authored and checked the contents of OSGeo-Live Project Overviews & 
Quickstarts for OSSIM, and as far as I can tell, all source material can be 
legally included under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License for 
Project Overviews, and Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported 
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Re: [Live-demo] Re: Which version of ossim should be installed on the next OSGeo-Live?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

i fixed the .desktop files .. they was in the ossim_setting.tar.gz package
now should be ok.

Il giorno 04/lug/2011, alle ore 13.33, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Hi All
> 
> finally back at home i had a chance to update the ossim build to the latest 
> svn on Xubunu 11.04
> i tried the script and "maybe" should works ... the only issue is about the 
> desktop icons
> they use the old path :
> 
> /usr/local/ossim/executable
> instead of :
> /usr/local/ossim/bin/executable
> 
> where are stored the .desktop files on the svn repository?
> i'll apply this changes and i'll try the script on a fresh VM to test it.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Massimo.
> 
> 
> Il giorno 26/giu/2011, alle ore 15.16, cameron.shor...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> 
>> Pirmin, Massimo,
>> 
>> Did you notice Hamish's analysis of OSGeo-Live build logs. Could you please 
>> have a look at his comments about:  ossim. If you have questions, I'm sure 
>> Hamish will be happy to expand.
>> 
>> On 26/06/11 14:55, Hamish wrote:
>>> Alex wrote:
>>>> http://live.osgeo.org/dev/build/5alpha2-log.tar.gz
>> 
>>>> Went a little better than last time. I had to manually
>>>> interrupt and restart it (though not clean) somewhere towards
>>>> the end of Java stuff.
>> 
>>> thanks,
>> 
>>>> Opps sorry I didn't up the version on the alpha build (I
>>>> always forget that each new cycle).
>> 
>>> semi-bumped now. a build-checklist.txt in svn might help ..
>> 
>>>> If the logs look decent after a day I'll go ahead and pack
>>>> a vm for people to download to make future testing of scripts
>>>> easier on the 5.0 version.
>> 
>>> still propagating packaging errors in this one leaving the
>>> system in a broken state...
>> 
>> 
>>> 5.0a2 quick build log review:
>> 
>>> everyone:
>>> ${CURLY} brackets do nothing to protect the command line from
>>> spaces and special chars within variables. Use "double quotes"
>>> for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> geoserver:
>>> FIXME: 'export FOO=bar' is a Bashism and will not work with Ubuntu's 
>>> #!/bin/sh  (which is dash)
>> 
>>> geomajas:
>>> GeoMajas FIXME: Do not use 777 if at all possible.
>> 
>>> geonetwork:
>>> any way to make your 250mb package smaller?
>> 
>>> deegree, openjump, maptiler:
>>> FIXME: don't use wget for local files, just copy from local svn checkout:  
>>> cp ../app-conf/$FILE $DEST
>> 
>>> gvSIG:
>>>> mv: cannot stat `gvSIG19_new_features.tar.gz': No such file or directory
>>> etc.
>> 
>>> osm:
>>> temporary DNS trouble, now fixed?
>>> Static copy of Denver.osm.bz2 now stashed on OSGeo download server, note
>>> many times bigger than Barcelona, which may make the PostGIS DB
>>> huge?
>> 
>>> Sahaha:
>>> a number of errors, e.g.:
>>>> DataError: value too long for type character varying(64)
>>>> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'applications/eden/compiled'
>> 
>>> Ushahidi:
>>>> ... Ushahidi already downloaded
>>>> tar: A lone zero block at 17095
>> 
>>> (probably want to do a timestamp check with the wget, but -N and -O are
>>> mutually exclusive)
>> 
>>>> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
>> 
>>> there is no root password. try operating as another user name.
>>> ?
>> 
>>> geopublisher, atlasstyler:
>>>> E: Package 'geopublishing-doc' has no installation candidate
>> 
>>> mapfish:
>>>> Download error: [Errno -2] Name or service not known -- Some packages may 
>>>> not be found!
>>> ?
>>> script is very verbose, making it hard to pick out real error
>>> messages.
>> 
>>> mapguide:
>>> .debs need to be updated for Ubuntu 11.04, ie to not depend on 
>>> odbcinst1debian1
>>> Uses a disproportionate amount of disc space (>375mb). please
>>> find ways to slim it down.
>> 
>>> [after this all other deb installs are broken for the rest of the ISO 
>>> build..]
>> 
>>> ossim:
>>> wants libgdal1-1.7.0, but only 1.6.0 and 1.8.0 are available.
>>> -> rebuild for natty
>>> WARNING: wget -N timestamping does nothing in combination with -O.
>> 
>>&g

[Live-demo] Re: Which version of ossim should be installed on the next OSGeo-Live?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All

finally back at home i had a chance to update the ossim build to the latest svn 
on Xubunu 11.04
i tried the script and "maybe" should works ... the only issue is about the 
desktop icons
they use the old path :

  /usr/local/ossim/executable
instead of :
 /usr/local/ossim/bin/executable

where are stored the .desktop files on the svn repository?
i'll apply this changes and i'll try the script on a fresh VM to test it.

thanks.

Massimo.


Il giorno 26/giu/2011, alle ore 15.16, cameron.shor...@gmail.com ha scritto:

> Pirmin, Massimo,
> 
> Did you notice Hamish's analysis of OSGeo-Live build logs. Could you please 
> have a look at his comments about:  ossim. If you have questions, I'm sure 
> Hamish will be happy to expand.
> 
> On 26/06/11 14:55, Hamish wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>> http://live.osgeo.org/dev/build/5alpha2-log.tar.gz
> 
>>> Went a little better than last time. I had to manually
>>> interrupt and restart it (though not clean) somewhere towards
>>> the end of Java stuff.
> 
>> thanks,
> 
>>> Opps sorry I didn't up the version on the alpha build (I
>>> always forget that each new cycle).
> 
>> semi-bumped now. a build-checklist.txt in svn might help ..
> 
>>> If the logs look decent after a day I'll go ahead and pack
>>> a vm for people to download to make future testing of scripts
>>> easier on the 5.0 version.
> 
>> still propagating packaging errors in this one leaving the
>> system in a broken state...
> 
> 
>> 5.0a2 quick build log review:
> 
>> everyone:
>> ${CURLY} brackets do nothing to protect the command line from
>> spaces and special chars within variables. Use "double quotes"
>> for that.
> 
> 
>> geoserver:
>> FIXME: 'export FOO=bar' is a Bashism and will not work with Ubuntu's 
>> #!/bin/sh  (which is dash)
> 
>> geomajas:
>> GeoMajas FIXME: Do not use 777 if at all possible.
> 
>> geonetwork:
>> any way to make your 250mb package smaller?
> 
>> deegree, openjump, maptiler:
>> FIXME: don't use wget for local files, just copy from local svn checkout:  
>> cp ../app-conf/$FILE $DEST
> 
>> gvSIG:
>>> mv: cannot stat `gvSIG19_new_features.tar.gz': No such file or directory
>> etc.
> 
>> osm:
>> temporary DNS trouble, now fixed?
>> Static copy of Denver.osm.bz2 now stashed on OSGeo download server, note
>> many times bigger than Barcelona, which may make the PostGIS DB
>> huge?
> 
>> Sahaha:
>> a number of errors, e.g.:
>>> DataError: value too long for type character varying(64)
>>> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'applications/eden/compiled'
> 
>> Ushahidi:
>>> ... Ushahidi already downloaded
>>> tar: A lone zero block at 17095
> 
>> (probably want to do a timestamp check with the wget, but -N and -O are
>> mutually exclusive)
> 
>>> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
> 
>> there is no root password. try operating as another user name.
>> ?
> 
>> geopublisher, atlasstyler:
>>> E: Package 'geopublishing-doc' has no installation candidate
> 
>> mapfish:
>>> Download error: [Errno -2] Name or service not known -- Some packages may 
>>> not be found!
>> ?
>> script is very verbose, making it hard to pick out real error
>> messages.
> 
>> mapguide:
>> .debs need to be updated for Ubuntu 11.04, ie to not depend on 
>> odbcinst1debian1
>> Uses a disproportionate amount of disc space (>375mb). please
>> find ways to slim it down.
> 
>> [after this all other deb installs are broken for the rest of the ISO 
>> build..]
> 
>> ossim:
>> wants libgdal1-1.7.0, but only 1.6.0 and 1.8.0 are available.
>> -> rebuild for natty
>> WARNING: wget -N timestamping does nothing in combination with -O.
> 
>> 52nSOS:
>> please shut off pgsql verbose mode & fix errors, if possible.
> 
>> otb:
>> fails-- no packages for ubuntu/natty found in PPA.
> 
>> [after this even less of the apt system works...]
> 
> 
>> disc space:
>> can we safely uninstall linux-headers-2.6.38-8? (81.5mb)
>> + linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic (10mb)
>> (is building the proprietary nvidia driver a critical need?)
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Quickstart (video??)

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Record my desktop is really good!

i used it few weeks ago to make a presentation ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvZfqgbag8E

(sorry to use youtube, the next time i'l use vimeo that's more foss oriented)

that's OssimPlanet that display maps generated on the fly by Grass.

i had only problems to record my second screen at the same time .. but i think 
will be easy to fix

Massimo.


Il giorno 12/giu/2011, alle ore 08.29, Hamish ha scritto:

> It is unclear to me: is the goal to have narrated screencasts, or
> demonstrations of humans doing the task? (by the latter I mean
> the conceptual equivalent of a video camera trained on the
> screen+operator, who turns to the camera every now and then with
> a toothy grin)
> 
> something to try:
> apt-get install recordmydesktop
> """
> Description: Captures audio-video data of a Linux desktop session
> The application produces an ogg-encapsulated theora-vorbis file.
> recordMyDesktop tries to be as unobstrusive as possible by proccessing only
> regions of the screen that have changed
> """
> 
> [unabstrusive would have been a more entertaining misspelling]
> 
> see also the ubuntu howto links here:
> http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Movies#Q:_How_to_create_a_screencast_.28for_video_tutorials_etc.29.3F
> 
> vnc2swf looks interesting (flash animation, not movie so maybe
> smaller files + better quality, but needs a flash player)
> 
> 
> any thoughts on WebM + Vorbis? Is it supported out of the box
> in 11.04, or are the libraries too new?
> 
> any thoughts on speex for the audio codec, as just voice?
> (as long as we suggest to use VLC as the recommended player,
> anything from the Ogg family of codecs shouldn't be an issue for
> end users or YouTube-alikes)
> 
> 
> another thing which comes to mind is play & pause audio guides,
> like in museums or along the lines of RiffTrax?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RiffTrax#RiffTrax_Player
> 
> ...,
> Hamish
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Re: [Live-demo] minor ossim install script error

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,

i added a link to download the pdf from my ftp,
i'll contact the ossim people to move the file on the ossim download page.

Il giorno 20/feb/2011, alle ore 18.42, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> Whitepapers are relatively tiny.. How many are we talking about?
> also, they are human-oriented, condensations of overview and intent
> The primary purposes of the LiveDVD... ?
> 
> I suggest they are a clear win in  disk space vs. value
> Perhaps we could call upon the list again
> and make the few tens of megabytes of space needed to hold these valuable 
> resources
> 
> best regards
> -Brian
> 
> ==
> Brian Hamlin
> planetwork.net
> OSGeo California Chapter
> (415) 717-4462 cell
> 
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> 
>> As we are getting short on disk space, I suggest that we should not download 
>> pdf white papers, but rather reference the url on the web.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> 
>> Subject:
>> [Live-demo] minor ossim install script error
>> 
>> Date:
>> Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:22:03 -0800 (PST)
>> 
>> From:
>> Hamish 
>> 
>> To:
>> live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OSSIM:
>> 
>> wget 
>> http://ossim.telascience.org/ossimdata/Documentation/OSSIM_Whitepaper.pdf
>> 
>> this fails as ossim.telascience.org no longer exists.
>> 
>> 
>> Hamish
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] ORFEO Toolbox in OSGeoLive?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

+1 to split the mac+win installer and the linux  live in 2 separate disc

having finally this space "freed" we can think about a more nice dataset 
structure without worring too mutch about space
we can also add prersentation educational materials etc ... 

Nice to have OTB in the live!!!

For the OTB dataset we should be able to use a common dataset with other sw 
that performs image analysis (at least for ossim, otb and grass (v/r.external))
for now the ossim dataset is based only on 3 landsat band (r,g,b) and the 
relative srtm elevation data

what about "high resolution" ? 
is enough the 15m resolution of the landsat pancromathic band ?

Or are you thinking about very high resolution data ? (ikonos, quickbird) ?
for hi-res data i can't find too many free dataset on line,
... seems they are free available only for the "crisis zone" (like heartquake 
in Cina etc ...)


let me know .


Ciao,

Massimo.


Il giorno 14/gen/2011, alle ore 01.30, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> Hi All-
>  I am in California near Alex, and have just started to follow this 
> conversation.
> Manuel's clear and thorough answers to the basic questions, and the apparent 
> maturity of the ORFEO suite,
> make it almost certain that this will be a very substantial addition to the 
> LiveDVD. Congratulations to all!
> 
>  I was on record previously saying that I think the installers for PC and Mac 
> are ready to be a second disk,
> not on the main disk. The recent comment that ORFEO really needs at least one 
> high resolution image
> reinforces that notion to me... *Note that a high resolution image need not 
> be huge, just, high resolution.
> 
>  Manuel and the ORFEO Team - are you willing to take a careful look at your 
> standard package install,
> and perhaps remove some items to accommodate a crowded DVD ?  A simple 
> suggestion is perhaps
> run the install of the standard package, but add a few lines in the LiveDVD 
> installer script that Alex
> started, to remove non-critical components to save disk space.
> 
>  thanks very very much to all involved, this might work out very well !
> best regards from Berkeley, California
>   -Brian
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Manual for these clarifications.
>> 
>> I'm heartened by all your answers, and I'm +1 for including OTB on 
>> OSGeo-Live.
>> Assuming that there are no other questions or objections from our community, 
>> I'd encourage you to start packaging OTB as per:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project
>> 
>> If you wish to make the next release, can you please aim to have install 
>> script and Overview and Quickstart text complete by 31  January.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/01/2011 4:41 AM, Manuel Grizonnet wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> I answer below to questions about OTB before moving forward:
>> 
>> 1. OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use rather
>> than libraries that are included into other applications. Does ORFEO
>> Toolbox have a user interface (possibly command line interface) that a
>> user can interact with and try out ORFEO Toolbox?
>> 
>> 
>> ->Yes the software Monteverdi based on OTB provide a user interface and an 
>> architecture which allows building processing chains by selecting modules 
>> from a set of menus. It supports raster and vector dataThe architecture 
>> takes advantage of the streaming and multi-threading capabilities of the OTB 
>> pipeline. It also uses cool features as processing on demand and automagic 
>> file format I/O. The application is called Monteverdi, since this is the 
>> name of the Orfeo composer.  The application is also packaged on Ubuntu, you 
>> can find more informations here : 
>> http://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/otb/monteverdi.html
>> Moreover the otb-app package provides OTB processing chain (command line 
>> interface) which are also accessible through user interface (standalone qt 
>> application or qgis plugins) 
>> 
>> 2. OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained.
>> Can ORFEO Toolbox run in 512 Meg or RAM?
>> 
>> 
>> ->Yes, we already provide in the past Live OTB which works on this type of 
>> platforms. The application monteverdi was developped in the frame of 
>> capacity building activities and it works on PC with memory and disk 
>> constrained (512 Mo of RAM is enough to run the application and do basic 
>> processing). 
>> 
>> How much disk space will be required to install ORFEO Toolbox and a
>> suitable example application.
>> 
>> 
>> -> otb package 10 Mo, monteverdi package 10 Mo, otb-app 15 Mo
>> 
>> What datasets would be required for a demonstration? Can you make use of
>> the naturalearth dataset already installed, or would you need something
>> else?
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
>> 
>> 
>> -> I do not know this dataset, I think that we can use this dataset. We 
>> provide also on our repository extract of remote sensing data which are used 
>> as examples in the software guide and in the OTB tutorial.

Re: [Live-demo] Italian translation

[Massimo Di Stefano]

All, Marco,

i set-up an omegT project to have the "source and target directory" in sync 
with the svn trees

simply i choose as source location :

osgeo/doc/en

and as target location :

osgeo/doc/it 


iomegaT will detect all the .rst files in the en/* trees (all the sub-dir too), 
then :

"projet -> generate target documents"
"proggetto -> crea i documenti di arrivo"

it will generate .rst files in the it/* target location

going ahead with translation we will be able to commit the progress
and every time we start with a new translation-session
we have to do an " svn up " on the trunk

i hope this is the process all we need to follow (i'm new to colaborative 
translations)

thanks for any hints


Il giorno 12/set/2010, alle ore 20.57, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> hoops ... imeans :
> 
> sponsor_osgeo.rst
> 
>> 
>> 
>> the first one i choose is : osgeo.rst 
> 

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Re: [Live-demo] Italian translation

[Massimo Di Stefano]

hoops ... imeans :

sponsor_osgeo.rst

> 
> 
> the first one i choose is : osgeo.rst 

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[Live-demo] Italian translation

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Marco, All IT translaters 

(i hope we will increase soon ;-) )

i start to translate the .rst files

the first one i choose is : osgeo.rst 
(so you can easy choose an other one)

for any needs you can reach me on irc on #osgeolive, or also on #gfoss 
( channel for gfoss.it - the Italian osgeo local chapter)

 in any case,  if i'm not responsive on irc, leave a message i'll see it on the 
log.

Ciao,

Massimo

P.S.:

i'm preparing a report for the local chapter, 
we'll point the attention of the IT-community to the osgeo-live 
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Re: [Live-demo] Hi

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Go! ;-)

i'm happy to meet you,
this will speed up the translation.

go ahead with translation :-)

i'll be able to start on the next week.

if you have time we can coordinate some works to do,
directly on the #osgeolive irc channel on the server irc.freenode.net

Ciao,

Massimo.

Il giorno 09/set/2010, alle ore 23.09, Marco Puppin ha scritto:

> Ehi Massimo,
> 
> that sounds challenging and thrilling, and to localize is possibly the most 
> geographic concept ever, thus it is really important to do it.
> 
> I think you know better then me how to arrange the tree. 
> I can start tomorrow to translate the presentation. I'll copy the Cameron's 
> script saved here
> 
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/promo/en/presentations/OSGeoLive4_0Taster/OSGeoLive4_0TasterScript.txt
> 
> and I'll translate the speech.
> Is this fine for you?
> 
> Ciao,
> Marco
>  
> 
> 
> 2010/9/9 Massimo Di Stefano 
> Hi Marco,
> 
> happy to see you on board.
> 
> there is a lot of work to do,
> 
> finally we can start the live - localizzation,  this will be a good job for 
> the osgeo loaclchapters ;-)
> 
> we need to discuss the structure inside the svn tree to handle the future new 
> files.
> then we can start the translation, maybe starting from the presentation (.odt)
> and later switch to the SW documentation and quickstart (.rst)
> 
> regards,
> 
> Massimo.
> 
> P.S.
> 
> For the IT language we can also integrate this lve-traslation-work in the 
> gfoss.it site
> (in gfoss.it we already have some translated docs, but not all the project 
> are listed
> ... so it will benefit the addition of the new project descriptions from sw 
> installed on the live 4.0)
> 
> we can discuss this topic on the local list too.
> 
> see you later for future coordination ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 09/set/2010, alle ore 10.40, Marco Puppin ha scritto:
> 
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I just properly subscribed to the list, actually since few months I am 
> > following your great work with the new release.
> >
> > I am an Italian geologist/gissman, not really capable in programming, but I 
> > would be more than glad to support the project helping with the translation.
> >
> > Thanks Cameron for the welcoming.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marco
> >
> > P.S.: Hi Massimo, once the translation process begins let's coordinate our 
> > efforts, right?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Hi

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi Marco,

happy to see you on board.

there is a lot of work to do,

finally we can start the live - localizzation,  this will be a good job for the 
osgeo loaclchapters ;-)

we need to discuss the structure inside the svn tree to handle the future new 
files.
then we can start the translation, maybe starting from the presentation (.odt) 
and later switch to the SW documentation and quickstart (.rst)

regards,

Massimo.

P.S.

For the IT language we can also integrate this lve-traslation-work in the 
gfoss.it site 
(in gfoss.it we already have some translated docs, but not all the project are 
listed 
... so it will benefit the addition of the new project descriptions from sw 
installed on the live 4.0)

we can discuss this topic on the local list too.

see you later for future coordination ;-)



Il giorno 09/set/2010, alle ore 10.40, Marco Puppin ha scritto:

> Hi list,
> 
> I just properly subscribed to the list, actually since few months I am 
> following your great work with the new release.
> 
> I am an Italian geologist/gissman, not really capable in programming, but I 
> would be more than glad to support the project helping with the translation.
> 
> Thanks Cameron for the welcoming.
> 
> Cheers,
> Marco
> 
> P.S.: Hi Massimo, once the translation process begins let's coordinate our 
> efforts, right?




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[Live-demo] permisions problems on the raster/data

[Massimo Di Stefano]

 the directory 

/home/user/data/raster 

should be writable, 

the command "ossim-img2rr /home/user/data/raster/dand1.tif"  

fails to generate overview (write permisions problems)
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Re: [Live-demo] svn checkout problems

[Massimo Di Stefano]

fixed removing an old file  "ZOO-project description.html"  (upper case was the 
problem)
now  it work fine
Il giorno 13/ago/2010, alle ore 10.06, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Hi,
> tring a fresh svn checkout i had this error :
> MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ svn co 
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk osgeo-live
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/ubuntugis.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/geopublishing.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/remastersys.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/cran.list
> Aosgeo-live/install_list
> .
> ..
> ...
> ..
> .
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/gvsig_quick_start.odt
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/atlasstyler_description.html
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/geopublisher_licence.html
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/marble_definition.html
> svn: In directory 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions'
> svn: Can't open file 
> 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions/.svn/tmp/text-base/ZOO-Project_definition.html.svn-base':
>  No such file or directory
> MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ 
> 
> have you any clue on what's going wrong ?
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Re: [Live-demo] svn checkout problems

[Massimo Di Stefano]

seems a problem related to osx :-(

i tried to checkout the source from xubuntu VM and it works,
while on osx it fails to checkout the documentation file :

Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/geopublisher_licence.html
Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/marble_definition.html
svn: In directory 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions'
svn: Can't open file 
'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions/.svn/tmp/text-base/ZOO-Project_definition.html.svn-base':
 No such file or directory



Il giorno 13/ago/2010, alle ore 10.06, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Hi,
> tring a fresh svn checkout i had this error :
> MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ svn co 
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk osgeo-live
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/ubuntugis.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/geopublishing.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/remastersys.list
> Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/cran.list
> Aosgeo-live/install_list
> .
> ..
> ...
> ..
> .
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/gvsig_quick_start.odt
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/atlasstyler_description.html
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/geopublisher_licence.html
> Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/marble_definition.html
> svn: In directory 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions'
> svn: Can't open file 
> 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions/.svn/tmp/text-base/ZOO-Project_definition.html.svn-base':
>  No such file or directory
> MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ 
> 
> have you any clue on what's going wrong ?
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[Live-demo] svn checkout problems

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,
tring a fresh svn checkout i had this error :
MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ svn co 
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk osgeo-live
Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d
Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/ubuntugis.list
Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/geopublishing.list
Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/remastersys.list
Aosgeo-live/sources.list.d/cran.list
Aosgeo-live/install_list
.
..
...
..
.
Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/gvsig_quick_start.odt
Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/atlasstyler_description.html
Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/geopublisher_licence.html
Aosgeo-live/doc/descriptions/marble_definition.html
svn: In directory 'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions'
svn: Can't open file 
'osgeo-live/doc/descriptions/.svn/tmp/text-base/ZOO-Project_definition.html.svn-base':
 No such file or directory
MacBook-Pro-15-di-sasha:gis sasha$ 

have you any clue on what's going wrong ?

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Re: [Live-demo] 4.0rc7 Trimming for Space

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Il giorno 12/ago/2010, alle ore 04.58, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> /usr/local/ossim/lib  300MB +

seems the iso you're tring uses an old script version.
The latest revision download more thini package, 
its size is 23 mb compressed, uncompressed it is around 70mb :

wget -N --progress=dot:mega http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/ossim.tar.gz
--2010-08-12 09:58:43--  http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/ossim.tar.gz
Resolving www.geofemengineering.it... 195.110.124.133
Connecting to www.geofemengineering.it|195.110.124.133|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 24592374 (23M) [application/x-gzip]
Saving to: `ossim.tar.gz'

 0K       12%  414K 51s
  3072K       25%  944K 31s
  6144K       38%  828K 23s
  9216K       51%  853K 17s
 12288K       63%  885K 12s
 15360K       76%  913K 8s
 18432K       89%  870K 3s
 21504K     ...  100%  894K=31s

2010-08-12 09:59:14 (770 KB/s) - `ossim.tar.gz' saved [24592374/24592374]


this should save a lot of space for the next build


> 52nWPS tomcat6 100MB
> mapguideopensource -> over the top!
> 
> Hamish- excellent catch on emacs-common (!)  thank you!
> 
> the market outreach stuff- hmm more than one way to look at it..
>  new users
>  developers considering spatial
>  ESRI switchers...
>  lots of angles
> 
> deepening a relationship is different than a quick look'sy
> at any rate.. perhaps this DVD is getting close to burnable
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] 4.0rc7 Trimming for Space

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Il giorno 12/ago/2010, alle ore 04.58, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> /usr/local/ossim/lib  300MB +

seems the iso you're tring uses an old script version.
The latest revision download more thini package, 
its size is 23 mb compressed, uncompressed it is around 70mb :

wget -N --progress=dot:mega http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/ossim.tar.gz
--2010-08-12 09:58:43--  http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/ossim.tar.gz
Resolving www.geofemengineering.it... 195.110.124.133
Connecting to www.geofemengineering.it|195.110.124.133|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 24592374 (23M) [application/x-gzip]
Saving to: `ossim.tar.gz'

   0K       12%  414K 51s
3072K       25%  944K 31s
6144K       38%  828K 23s
9216K       51%  853K 17s
12288K       63%  885K 12s
15360K       76%  913K 8s
18432K       89%  870K 3s
21504K     ...  100%  894K=31s

2010-08-12 09:59:14 (770 KB/s) - `ossim.tar.gz' saved [24592374/24592374]


this should save a lot of space for the next build


> 52nWPS tomcat6 100MB
> mapguideopensource -> over the top!
> 
> Hamish- excellent catch on emacs-common (!)  thank you!
> 
> the market outreach stuff- hmm more than one way to look at it..
> new users
> developers considering spatial
> ESRI switchers...
> lots of angles
> 
> deepening a relationship is different than a quick look'sy
> at any rate.. perhaps this DVD is getting close to burnable
> 
> -Brian
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Re: [Live-demo] new plug-inpackages for qgis

[Massimo Di Stefano]

running qgis as root i'm able to load the grassdata

so it is a permision/user  problem   (chown ?)

any cue on how to fix it? 


Il giorno 10/ago/2010, alle ore 19.27, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Qgis has the grass problem unresolved, please anyone can dive into it ?
> qgis-grass plug-in is a "big resource" for osgeo.

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Re: [Live-demo] PyWPS on the live disc

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Il giorno 11/ago/2010, alle ore 12.22, Hamish ha scritto:

> Massimo wrote:
>> my mail was just to tell people - i've tested the script on
>> a "full live build procedure".
> 
> Hi, quick greetings from the road.
> 
> thanks for the script- I look forward to trying it out. will the
> full workshop material be posted afterwards?

knowing pywps will have a workshop at foss4g i asked them for a script and 
quickstart notes

i'm not a pywps guru, the people on the pywps list helped me to have the script 
working.

jackym was preparing the materials based on the already installed 
mapserver+OL+data
...
in the maintimei wrote :

pwps_definition.html
pywps_description.html
pywps_overview.rst

it only lacks the "quick satrt" beacouse needs more pywps knowledge
(a simple test to print out the get capabilities is ialready in)

but now that pywps will be not included (neither in background:-( ) on the 
live-dvd
i don't know if/when/how the dev team will help to finish the missed 
quickstart-tutorial examples.

> 
> fyi I just made a few minor changes in svn to make it agree with
> our packaging conventions.

thanks i see the commit on the irc-boot :-)
> 
> 
> yes, it is far too late to add for this edition, feature freeze
> was just too long ago and we are now working on the final cut.

 :-(
problems comes up when there is no people directly intersted
for pywps i offered my full time unlucky  this time i started too late to work 
on the live, 
i had to finish my study

a note for the next time :
if we will know which workshops will be avaiable at foss4g 
i'd like to see on the disc at least the sw and materials needed to partecipate 
to the workshop
i guess this is important to have a good feedback from who will partecipate at 
foss4g

> 
> minor version 4.5 is intended for some months from now and it
> can be on that. hopefully a point release by then so it doesn't
> have to pull from svn? (moving targets are discouraged)

adding a revision number to the svn co , will help ?


> 
> 
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> Hamish
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] PyWPS on the live disc

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Il giorno 11/ago/2010, alle ore 00.26, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

> Further clarifying discussions we'd had on chat:
> 
> Due to the lack of time for testing, we will not 

np

my mail was just to tell people - i've tested the script on a "full live build 
procedure".

I was intersted to know what *everibody* thinks about ...

pywps will be in,  on a future dvd-release, thanks.


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Re: [Live-demo] new plug-inpackages for qgis

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Download a new spearfish.tar.gz  in the download directory
and tring to load grass file from qgis opening this "new" spearfish directory
i have no problem to dispay grass data inside qgis.

hence, it is a permision problem in the grass locations


Il giorno 10/ago/2010, alle ore 19.27, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Testing Qgis
> 
> i see the plug-in SDA4P fails as also fails ManageR and all related to R
> beacouse the step :
> 
> easy_install rpy2 don't works as aspected
> 
> i replaced it with :
> 
> 
> apt-get install python-rpy2
> 
> it should works, i tried it locally.
> 
> continue the test on qgis side, i see alot of plug-in are out-of-date
> hence i downloaded them from scratch and make a new plugin.tar.gz package
> it will be downloaded directly from the script
> 
> Qgis has the grass problem unresolved, please anyone can dive into it ?
> qgis-grass plug-in is a "big resource" for osgeo.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Massimo.
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[Live-demo] new plug-inpackages for qgis

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Testing Qgis

i see the plug-in SDA4P fails as also fails ManageR and all related to R
beacouse the step :

easy_install rpy2 don't works as aspected

i replaced it with :


apt-get install python-rpy2

it should works, i tried it locally.

continue the test on qgis side, i see alot of plug-in are out-of-date
hence i downloaded them from scratch and make a new plugin.tar.gz package
it will be downloaded directly from the script

Qgis has the grass problem unresolved, please anyone can dive into it ?
qgis-grass plug-in is a "big resource" for osgeo.

thanks,

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Re: [Live-demo] Provide .fix files for all Shapefiles

[Massimo Di Stefano]

seems the option B is not so dangerouse


Il giorno 10/ago/2010, alle ore 19.14, Brian Hamlin ha scritto:

> Stefan-
> 
>  our emails crossed, so I just read this..
> I appreciate your thorough write-up
> 
> BUT the deadline for changes to the LiveDVD is long gone..
> Cameron is running the schedule, but my understanding
> is that there is no more time..
> 
> Your improvised solution about building a .fix file in the same directory
> is really messy stuff.. its not what I would like to see on a final disk
> 
> Can you use a PostGIS data source for AS and GP ?
> Natural Earth is already there and ready to go
> 
>  -Brian
> 
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Stefan A. Tzeggai wrote:
> 
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 1. good news: I debugged AtlasStyler and Geopublisher today a OSGeoLive
>> system and fixed all the problems reported.
>> AS and GP now have no more problems when opening a Shapefile without a
>> .fix spatial index from a read-only drive - it doesn't try to create the
>> index anymore.
>> 
>> 2. The problem with read-only and .fix lies in Geotools, so it affects
>> uDig also.
>> 
>> 3. I created a patch for Geotools
>> (http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOT-3245) but it is not yet reviewed.
>> 
>> Options are:
>> 
>> A: Get the patch into Geotools and make a new release of Geotools and uDig
>> 
>> Advantage: No big changes on the OSGeo side.
>> 
>> Disadvantage: Lots of work for Jody. uDig, Geopublisher, AtlasStyler and
>> will not profit from a spatial index when working with the demo
>> shapefile data.
>> 
>> 
>> B: Create .fix indexes during build after the Shapefiles are unzipped
>> and while the drive is still read-write.
>> 
>> .fix are Geotools-specific, so ogr doesn't create these files. We need a
>> command line tool to add .fix indexes if we want it to be done in
>> 'bin/loadgisdata.sh'. Such a tool doesn't exists yet... So i added a
>> command line option to AtlasStyler 1.5 that does exactly that.
>> 
>> So for option B, we have to do only one thing: Add a line to
>> 'bin/install_atlasStyler' that will add a spatial index to all
>> shapefiles in the $DATA_FOLDER:
>>> find $DATA_FOLDER -iname "*.shp" -exec atlasstyler "addFix={}" \;
>> 
>> This REQUIRES that 'bin/loadgisdata.sh' is run before
>> install_AtlasStyler.sh is run.
>> 
>> Actually install_Gisdata is setting the data read-only already. So in
>> the install_AtlasStyler.sh i will have to change the permissions twice..
>> something not so nice.
>> 
>> Advantage: No quick re-releasing of Geotools and uDig just for one patch
>> two days after the last release.
>> 
>> Disadvantage: Some unorthodox modifications on the install scripts.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A or B ? Waiting for feedback.
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> Am 10.08.2010 13:33, schrieb Cameron Shorter:
>>> The naturalearth data shapefiles are loaded by bin/loadgisdata.sh
>>> 
>>> It is loaded from the naturalearth website directly.
>>> 
>>> I'm open to you adding .fix files if you think it is easy enough to
>>> achieve.
>>> 
>>> On 10/08/10 21:10, Stefan A. Tzeggai wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I have installed the rc5 to my HDD and started investigating the
>>> problems reported for AtlasStyler and Geopublisher. This is what happens:
>>> 
>>> The natural earth shapes don't have .fix spatial indexes. AtlasStyler
>>> tries to create them on-the-fly and gets a permission exception.
>>> 
>>> I will write a fix, so that that will not be a problem anymore, but
>>> maybe we should anyways add .fix files to all Shapefiles on the DVD.
>>> 
>>> .fix files are supported by Geotools, so uDig, Geoserver,
>>> Geopublisher and AtlasStyler (and probably more) would profit
>>> performance-wise.
>>> 
>>> The data dir is not in the svn.. Tell me where it is, and i can provide
>>> .fix files for all shapefiles.
>>> 
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>>> Steve
>>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] GRASS plugin failures on osgeo-live DVD

[Massimo Di Stefano]

it gives error tring to load a grass file, the error i had is : 

http://img412.imageshack.us/f/schermata20100810a16260.png/

 have you any clue on what's going wrong ?


Il giorno 10/ago/2010, alle ore 11.09, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

> Testers have found an error in the 1.5 version of QGIS installed on OSGeo 
> Live.http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing#qgis
> "The GRASS plugin could not load the data from the /hom/user/grassdata folder"
> Described here:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing#qgis
> 
> Could we please get some help debugging this.
> Packagers are hanging out at irc://freenode.net#osgeolive
> 
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[Live-demo] PyWPS on the live disc

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All,

i added a script to install PyWPS,

i'm also writing the neded docs and steps as for any project on the disc.

looks at the script it don't touch anything that can breack something
i also tested it on a fresh live-build procedure and the get-capabilities 
are working fine.

in the next hours will be also ready an example based on openlayer as client.

Plese apologize the time gap, i think pywps can be included in the live build
(it simply works and it will be also one of the sw used in the foss4g workshop)


thanks,

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Re: [Live-demo] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] 1 week to test the OSGeo-Live DVD before we burn it

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Apologize me i gorghet to send the message to the list i'm fwd it.


update, i have ulteriorly reduced the size 
(i deleted the sonamed libs, there are a lot of duplicates, 
i suppose we don't need them on the live)

the full size for "usr/local/ossim" is now around 65 mb

thanks to help me to tune the script.

Massimo.



Il giorno 07/ago/2010, alle ore 16.40, Massimo Di Stefano ha scritto:

> Hamish thanks for th help :-)
> 
> Il giorno 07/ago/2010, alle ore 07.20, Hamish ha scritto:
> 
>>> Massimo wrote:
>>> Hi added a new script inside the bin directory : 
>>>  install_ossim2.sh
>>> it install a locally build version for ossim (last svn
>>> checkout) and fix a bug in imagelinker application
>>> (using qt3 instead of qt4)
>> 
>> some edits were needed; please retest (too big a DL for me)
> 
> i tried to remove all the gpst files that are not needed by ossim
> the uncompressed "ossim" directory size changes from 440 mb to 240 mb
> (it save 200 mb)
> .. but we lost gpstk, we can add it later or in a different release 
> (maybe a release without mac and win sw ?)
> 
> 
>> 
>> * use /tmp/build_ossim
> ok
> 
>> * gdal 1.7.0 req's ubuntugis
> 
> i thinked ubuntugis well be added as default, i'm wrong ?
> 
> the lines to enable ubuntugis are commented out, 
> need i to uncomment them and add an "if statment" to check if
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntugis.list
> already exists and if it is not present, add it ?
> 
>> * sudo not needed, already running as root
> ok
> 
>> * use --progress with wget for flat text output
>> * do not use wget -c with unversioned filenames (corrupts)
>>  use -N instead to go by timestamp instead of filesize,
>>  although with -O it's a no-op
> 
> i changed it to : wget -N --progress=dot:mega
> 
> is it ok ?
> 
>> * avoid verbose mode
>> * linewrap ..
>> 
>> 
> 
> apologize me, :-) i haven't undstand 
> (my poor english and lack of IT background)
> 
> what about "verbose" ?
> can i add in the script a line like :
> 
> set +o verbose
> 
> what's "linewarp" ?
> 
> i attacjhed the modified script :
> 
> 
>> cheers,
>> Hamish
>> 
>> 
>> ps- zoo now enabled in main.sh
> 
> cool, looking forward to see it in action! i'm inttersted in wps
> p.s.
> i contacted the guys will have a pywps workshop at foss4g 2010
> they are busy but intersted to add pywps in the live
> i'm still whaiting for the needed scripts.
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] 1 week to test the OSGeo-Live DVD before we burn it

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,


Il giorno 06/ago/2010, alle ore 22.40, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

> Massimo,
> In order to decide whether to recommend using the new install_ossim2.sh or 
> not, I'd like you to explain briefly:
> 
> 1. Is it possible/likely that this update will effect any other application? 
> If so, which applications? Have you tested these applications after the 
> updated script has been run?
> 

i've tested it on a local VM, all goes ok.
 looking at the script see what it does, it can't break anything

> 2. How beneficial is the upgrade to ossim? Note, it seems that the OSSIM 
> tests have failed. Could you please look into this asap too:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing#ossim

i tried to run all the build script using the updated instyall_ossim2.sh, ossim 
 tests seems to works fine

i gived a look at the test results ... seems 80% of the failure are about "data 
not found or data can't be load"
that's weird seems on the iso used to test the install data script don't works 
as aspected ?!


i'm starting right now a fresh build using the latest script to see what happens


> 
> On 07/08/10 02:10, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>> 
>> Hi added a new script inside the bin directory :   install_ossim2.sh
>> 
>> it install a locally build version for ossim (last svn checkout) and fix a 
>> bug in imagelinker application (using qt3 instead of qt4)
>> 
>> tell me if i can replace the script in the main.sh so we can see if it's all 
>> ok 
>> (i tested it locally and it should work) 
>> 
>> Hamish :-) i'm sure the script will benefit from your eyes :-)
>> 
>> 
>> p.s.
>> 
>> in the tarbal is also included a "full" GPSTK [1] installation.
>> it is needed by OSSIM as dependencie, 
>> i can cut it including only libs and headers (save 70 mb) but i prefer to 
>> leave it untouched.
>> GPSTK is a great piece of sw, having it on the live is cool, if you agree i 
>> can write documentation for it too
>> 
>> [1] http://www.gpstk.org/bin/view/Documentation/WebHome
>> 
>> Il giorno 06/ago/2010, alle ore 00.25, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:
>> 
>>> Massimo,
>>> If your fix is not expected to effect any other application, then please 
>>> apply your fix.
>>> 
>>> If another application might be effected, could you please discuss this on 
>>> the list first, before we make a decision either way.
>>> 
>>> On 06/08/10 07:42, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi Cameron,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> seems i find a solution,
>>>> 
>>>> i build the software locally on a fresh xubuntu and i stored all the build 
>>>> in a directory (150 mb)
>>>> i tried it on the live-gis VM and it works as aspected (it only need the 
>>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be setted)
>>>> 
>>>> tell me i can i add a replacement of install_ossim.sh to try thi procedure 
>>>> unless a new debian packages will ready.
>>>> Il giorno 05/ago/2010, alle ore 23.01, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for trying to track down this issue Massimo asap.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand that Alex will be cutting a final release candidate, which 
>>>>> will hopefully become the final release this Monday 9 Aug. If you fix the 
>>>>> issue, we can verify it works, and hasn't effected any other packages on 
>>>>> that release.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/08/10 18:38, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> from the osgeo live list :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Inizio messaggio inoltrato:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The OSGeo-Live DVD is looking great, with 43 pre-configured GeoSpatial
>>>>>>>> Open Source packages and marketing documentation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It will be sent to the printers next week, Monday 9 August, and we are
>>>>>>>> calling on all projects to test their applications and documentation
>>>>>>>> and verify everything is working fine.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Could everyone with an interest please:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> download an ISO or Virtual Machine from here:
>>>>>>>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/
>>>>>>

Re: [Live-demo] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] 1 week to test the OSGeo-Live DVD before we burn it

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi added a new script inside the bin directory :   install_ossim2.sh

it install a locally build version for ossim (last svn checkout) and fix a bug 
in imagelinker application (using qt3 instead of qt4)

tell me if i can replace the script in the main.sh so we can see if it's all ok 
(i tested it locally and it should work) 

Hamish :-) i'm sure the script will benefit from your eyes :-)


p.s.

in the tarbal is also included a "full" GPSTK [1] installation.
it is needed by OSSIM as dependencie, 
i can cut it including only libs and headers (save 70 mb) but i prefer to leave 
it untouched.
GPSTK is a great piece of sw, having it on the live is cool, if you agree i can 
write documentation for it too

[1] http://www.gpstk.org/bin/view/Documentation/WebHome



> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 06/ago/2010, alle ore 00.25, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:
> 
>> Massimo,
>> If your fix is not expected to effect any other application, then please 
>> apply your fix.
>> 
>> If another application might be effected, could you please discuss this on 
>> the list first, before we make a decision either way.
>> 
>> On 06/08/10 07:42, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi Cameron,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> seems i find a solution,
>>> 
>>> i build the software locally on a fresh xubuntu and i stored all the build 
>>> in a directory (150 mb)
>>> i tried it on the live-gis VM and it works as aspected (it only need the 
>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be setted)
>>> 
>>> tell me i can i add a replacement of install_ossim.sh to try thi procedure 
>>> unless a new debian packages will ready.
>>> Il giorno 05/ago/2010, alle ore 23.01, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for trying to track down this issue Massimo asap.
>>>> 
>>>> I understand that Alex will be cutting a final release candidate, which 
>>>> will hopefully become the final release this Monday 9 Aug. If you fix the 
>>>> issue, we can verify it works, and hasn't effected any other packages on 
>>>> that release.
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/10 18:38, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> from the osgeo live list :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Inizio messaggio inoltrato:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The OSGeo-Live DVD is looking great, with 43 pre-configured GeoSpatial
>>>>>>> Open Source packages and marketing documentation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It will be sent to the printers next week, Monday 9 August, and we are
>>>>>>> calling on all projects to test their applications and documentation
>>>>>>> and verify everything is working fine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Could everyone with an interest please:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> download an ISO or Virtual Machine from here:
>>>>>>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/
>>>>>>> run (and update) test steps for your project. Test steps might be "Run
>>>>>>> steps in QuickStart". Record results here:
>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing
>>>>>>> review documentation:
>>>>>>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/osgeolive-docs/index.html
>>>>>>> if inspired - write a quickstart, or add screen shots to an existing 
>>>>>>> quickstart.
>>>>>>> fix anything that is broken
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ossim is present on the live-dvd thanks to the ubuntu packages prepared 
>>>>> by Pirimin K.
>>>>> testing it i can see Imagelinker is built using ossim_qt4 instead of qt3, 
>>>>> this give us a non-full working imagelinker :-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> right now i'm preparing a fresh VM on which i'll try to rebuild 
>>>>> imagelinker and ossimplanet from svn,
>>>>> unlucky i have no experience building .deb ... 
>>>>> maybe using a cmake build "out of source" i can try to build a "static 
>>>>> version" for all the ossim suite.
>>>>> 
>>>>> here my question :
>>>>> 
>>>>> using cmake i'm able to choose wich part of ossim i should build 
>>>>> but i can't find an entry to choose between ossim_qt or ossim_qt4
>>>>> i can see only o

Re: [Live-demo] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] 1 week to test the OSGeo-Live DVD before we burn it

[Massimo Di Stefano]

hi Cameron,


seems i find a solution,

i build the software locally on a fresh xubuntu and i stored all the build in a 
directory (150 mb)
i tried it on the live-gis VM and it works as aspected (it only need the 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be setted)

tell me i can i add a replacement of install_ossim.sh to try thi procedure 
unless a new debian packages will ready.
Il giorno 05/ago/2010, alle ore 23.01, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

> Thanks for trying to track down this issue Massimo asap.
> 
> I understand that Alex will be cutting a final release candidate, which will 
> hopefully become the final release this Monday 9 Aug. If you fix the issue, 
> we can verify it works, and hasn't effected any other packages on that 
> release.
> 
> On 05/08/10 18:38, Massimo Di Stefano wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> from the osgeo live list :
>> 
>> Inizio messaggio inoltrato:
>> 
>>>> The OSGeo-Live DVD is looking great, with 43 pre-configured GeoSpatial
>>>> Open Source packages and marketing documentation.
>>>> 
>>>> It will be sent to the printers next week, Monday 9 August, and we are
>>>> calling on all projects to test their applications and documentation
>>>> and verify everything is working fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Could everyone with an interest please:
>>>> 
>>>> download an ISO or Virtual Machine from here:
>>>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/
>>>> run (and update) test steps for your project. Test steps might be "Run
>>>> steps in QuickStart". Record results here:
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing
>>>> review documentation:
>>>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/osgeolive-docs/index.html
>>>> if inspired - write a quickstart, or add screen shots to an existing 
>>>> quickstart.
>>>> fix anything that is broken
>> 
>> 
>> Ossim is present on the live-dvd thanks to the ubuntu packages prepared by 
>> Pirimin K.
>> testing it i can see Imagelinker is built using ossim_qt4 instead of qt3, 
>> this give us a non-full working imagelinker :-(
>> 
>> right now i'm preparing a fresh VM on which i'll try to rebuild imagelinker 
>> and ossimplanet from svn,
>> unlucky i have no experience building .deb ... 
>> maybe using a cmake build "out of source" i can try to build a "static 
>> version" for all the ossim suite.
>> 
>> here my question :
>> 
>> using cmake i'm able to choose wich part of ossim i should build 
>> but i can't find an entry to choose between ossim_qt or ossim_qt4
>> i can see only ossim_qt4 [ON/OFF]
>> 
>> 
>> Pirimin, have you time/resource to build a new packages .deb ?
>> 
>> Please, i'm avaiable at any time to try to generate a new .deb 
>> thanks to anyone who has experience on this side.
>> 
>> Ciao,
>> 
>> Massimo.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Live-demo] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] 1 week to test the OSGeo-Live DVD before we burn it

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All,

from the osgeo live list :

Inizio messaggio inoltrato:

>> The OSGeo-Live DVD is looking great, with 43 pre-configured GeoSpatial
>> Open Source packages and marketing documentation.
>> 
>> It will be sent to the printers next week, Monday 9 August, and we are
>> calling on all projects to test their applications and documentation
>> and verify everything is working fine.
>> 
>> Could everyone with an interest please:
>> 
>> download an ISO or Virtual Machine from here:
>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/
>> run (and update) test steps for your project. Test steps might be "Run
>> steps in QuickStart". Record results here:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Testing
>> review documentation:
>> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/4.0-rc6/osgeolive-docs/index.html
>> if inspired - write a quickstart, or add screen shots to an existing 
>> quickstart.
>> fix anything that is broken


Ossim is present on the live-dvd thanks to the ubuntu packages prepared by 
Pirimin K.
testing it i can see Imagelinker is built using ossim_qt4 instead of qt3, this 
give us a non-full working imagelinker :-(

right now i'm preparing a fresh VM on which i'll try to rebuild imagelinker and 
ossimplanet from svn,
unlucky i have no experience building .deb ... 
maybe using a cmake build "out of source" i can try to build a "static version" 
for all the ossim suite.

here my question :

using cmake i'm able to choose wich part of ossim i should build 
but i can't find an entry to choose between ossim_qt or ossim_qt4
i can see only ossim_qt4 [ON/OFF]


Pirimin, have you time/resource to build a new packages .deb ?

Please, i'm avaiable at any time to try to generate a new .deb 
thanks to anyone who has experience on this side.

Ciao,

Massimo.



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Re: [Live-demo] Still add some demo data?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All

about raster data, look at the ossim script it already
download 3 band landsat images and the srtm data (90m) 
the zone i choose is spain/barcelona 


i guess this data should be easy reusable by other application.

p.s.
apologize me for the complete absence from the list (i know there is a lot of 
work to do)
i had to defend my master degree thesis the last week 
... i'm back :-) to help a bit for what i can


Il giorno 27/lug/2010, alle ore 21.52, Hamish ha scritto:

> Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
>> In that case maybe some raster data should be added to the
>> mix: the only raster which is available now is an already
>> rendered image, which is not very useful if you want to show
>> some raster processing capabilities.
> 
> for my 2c, I like the idea of including a SRTM tile or two
> for raster GIS programs to use in their tutorials. We could
> do something like the OSM data symlink where the actual 1-degree
> tile could follow the host city but the symlink would keep a
> constant filename for the tutorial docs to use.
> 
> I like the idea of including some host-city specific data,
> it gives the workshops/tutorials/disc release a bit more of a
> relevant & local flavour. IMO when putting together a tutorial
> you do well to either use "local" data or allow the users to
> download data covering their home, as then what they see on the
> screen will be familiar and less abstract for them, so you hold
> their interest better.
> 
> 
>> Perhaps too late for this edition, but later the global
>> elevation could be added.
> 
> problem is for any sort of hi-res data the size of it gets too
> huge for the disc. A step which uses WMS to download a local
> chunk from NASA's OnEarth server or so might be a solution.
> 
> ETOPO2 is 85mb compressed, maybe ETOPO5 would be not-too-huge?
> 
> 
>> This and some other global raster datasets can be downloaded
>> from this site (we should check license etc.. though)
>> http://www.worldclim.org/current
> 
> for a big list see also
>  http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Global_datasets
> 
> the US govt/NASA data is always good because it is without
> copyright.
> 
> 
>> Anyway for the time being I've kept my example using our
>> own dataset.
> ...
>>> (It's just a file of halve a megabyte, so size
>>> shouldn't be an issue)
> 
> (it's not an issue, the volcano quickstart looks very nice!)
> I'd be happy to use that Mt. St. Helens srtm tile as the
> standard GIS disc demo DEM.
> 
> Crater Lake is another "classic" bit of topography for geo-
> tutorials. In my last SRTM one I used the volcano used for Mt.
> Doom in the movies :)
> 
> 
> regards,
> Hamish
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] qgis install error

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi, 

i download the plug-in from the qgis repository
and made a new tar.gz package for them, the size in tar.gz is 16 mb
the new link is :  

http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/plugins.tar.gz

note i have only download the new plugin, but i don't tested them under qgis on 
the live
so i guess some test is needed to see if all of them are working 

(in the past some plug-in like value-tool gived me annoing segfault, 
is too bad to have qgis segfault on the live,
unlucky i can't help too mutch until the 14 july)

thanks!

Massimo.




the tar.gz includes :

GdalTools   
GeoCoding   
GoogleLayers
HomeRange_plugin
MapSheetAutoGeoRef  
OGR2Layers  
SDA4PP  
VectorFieldRenderer 
ZoomToVillage   
autosave
cadtools
cartogram   
cataloginpecreate   
pybatchproc
cataloginpequicklookorder   
qgisrest
clickfu 
qgsAffine
composer_helper 
qgsAzimuth
composer_plugin 
quicksaveqml
contour 
randomHR
copypasta   
rastercalc
dpsimplify  
rasterinfo
dumpfield   
rasterlang
elevation   
rectangles
findbyattr  
refmap
freehandEditing 
rgb
geofeeds
rt_postgres_extractor
geoprocessing   
rt_sql_layer
ghydraulic  
rulerenderer
image_clipper   
scattergram
image_cutter
selectplus
imagemap_plugin 
shadedrelief
imgboundary 
shapefile_splitter
imgshowhide 
sldexport
infotool
spatialite_manager
interlis
spectral_profile
joinlines   
statist
linear_ref  
tablemanager
manageR 
topocolour
mapfile_tools   
valuetool
mergeshapes 
watermark
metaedit
wps
mirrormap   
ziplayers
multiqml
zoom_to_point
numericalVertexEdit 
zoom_to_point_BB
openaddresses_converter
openlayers 
osmpoly_export pgquery_plugin 
photo2shape 
plugin_installer 
plugin_reloader 
points2one 
pointsamplingtool
postgis_manager 
postgisquery 
postgps 
profiletool

Il giorno 04/lug/2010, alle ore 19.11, Alex Mandel ha scritto:

> On 07/03/2010 06:18 AM, Hamish wrote:
>> 4.0alpha6:
>> 
>> ./install_qgis.sh
>> [...]
>> 2010-06-30 06:55:58 (224 KB/s) - 
>> `/usr/local/share/qgis/qgis-1.3.0_user_guide_en.pdf' saved [7157894/7157894]
>> 
>> FIXME: use /tmp/build_qgis not /tmp/
>> --2010-06-30 06:55:58--  
>> http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/qgis.plugin.20032010.tar.gz
>> Resolving www.geofemengineering.it... 195.110.124.133
>> Connecting to www.geofemengineering.it|195.110.124.133|:80... connected.
>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>> 2010-06-30 06:56:01 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>> 
>> 
>> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
>> tar: Child returned status 1
>> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
>> cp: cannot stat `/tmp/.qgis/python/plugins/': No such file or directory
>> Finished installing QGIS 1.4.0-2.
>> Finished: ./install_qgis.sh
>> 
>> 
> 
> That's all in Massimo's hands. I'll take a look at it this week and see
> if I can come up with something more reliable (python pull of plugins
> via normal qgis methods).
> 
> It's safe to comment it out as that's just extra plugins.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
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Re: [Live-demo] What dataset should your application use on the LiveDVD?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

For the ossim/imagelinker dataset i used :

 landsat etm+ and srtm data for barcellona (for the foss4g 2010)

the data are downloaded from the last lines in the ossim install script.
the data i included are :

etm+ (red,green,blue)
srtm
2 sample kml files

the results is like :

http://img822.imageshack.us/f/didefault20100611a13110.png/

the data size is about 50 mb 
(note, the overview and rgb image is not included,  its derivation is explained 
in the doc )

other data can be added, like :

infrared band to make ndvi
pan band to make pansharp

(both rgb, ndvi and pansharp images can be derived on the live itself, 
including the needed steps in a tutorial)

this data are related to Barcellona, 
but the same "kind of data" can be used for "sexy place" like 
some nice island .. hawaii ?
or vulcanos like 'vesuvio' ?


this mail is related only to raster stuff ... 
for the vector stuff we can add data like :
world coastline
world political boundaries
corine land cover
geonames database
... 


what do you think about ?


Il giorno 11/giu/2010, alle ore 08.07, Hamish ha scritto:

> Jody wrote:
>> I am willing to switch the uDig examples over to the
>> Natural Earth dataset; you could lighten up on the raster
>> datasets in order to provide a more varied dataset. I also
>> note that a DEM should be included in the mix for
>> applications that wish to highlight that functionality.
> 
> SRTM tile(s) + LANDSAT covering some topographically interesting
> part of the world?
> 
> grand canyon? hong kong?
> 
> 
> Hamish
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] Schedule

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Guys,

I'm really busy with my thesi, i will be finally graduated the 14 july ... 
apologize me, but  i'm not having the time to test the live build process until 
that date.
as i can see from the last build log, there are problems in Qgis (it has no 
python support)
and there is not package for ossim on ubuntu 10.x  
(i'm not able to package it, bacouse i have not experience in packaging) at 
least i can build from source:-/ .. but this will require more VM resource and 
space, hence i suppose is not an option for us

Pirimin_k ( nick on irc), can you provide a new ubuntu package?if yes, i 
suggest to use the same svn revision you used for the 9.04 package(beacouse 
imagelinker has a bug in the recent svn, i'll kep you aware if the bug will be 
fixed soon)
i'll try to follow you for what i can.

thanks!

Massimo.
--- Mer 9/6/10, Cameron Shorter  ha scritto:

Da: Cameron Shorter 
Oggetto: Re: [Live-demo] Schedule
A: "Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas" 
Cc: live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
Data: Mercoledì 9 giugno 2010, 21:11

Jorge,
As per our schedule at: 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB#gid=0

5 July: Feature freeze is:  So if you want to change the gvsig version on the 
LiveDVD, please update scripts before then.
26 July: Documentation freeze: We will be asking all projects to revisit their 
Project Overview, and upgrade their Test Description to become a Quick Start 
guide with diagrams.
2 August: is the drop dead date for delivery into UAT. Your application and 
docs should work perfectly by this date.

Can you meet these dates?

Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:
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>> I've updated our java build script to use sun java 1.6 and run the build
>> script again (re-installing over the top of 4.0alpha1 rather than
>> starting again from scratch).
>> 
>> It seems the java applications have been installed now. (I verified
>> GeoServer is working).
>> 
>>     
> 
> gvSIG has not been installed
> 
> ""
> E: Package libgdal1-1.5.0 has no installation candidate
> ""
> 
> I'll ask to the gvSIG deb packager to try to solve the gdal
> dependency. We both have to prepare the OSGIS UK meeting and
> afterwards travel to Caracas to a gvSIG meeting so I don't see a
> chance to work on that on the next weeks :'(
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Re: [Live-demo] Dist-upgrade

[Massimo Di Stefano]

On a fresh xubuntu 9.10 installation (32bit) 

using a regular :

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

all works (regular virgin linux without osgeo live installation)

the VirtualBox ( .vdi ) disk image in bzip compression has size of 1Gb, 

what about switch from vmware to more opensource vbox ?

Alex, i can upload the vbox image to save you from instalation time, if we want 
give a try to vbox.

Ciao,

Massimo.


Il giorno 12/feb/2010, alle ore 03.39, Alex Mandel ha scritto:

> Alex Mandel wrote:
>> Hamish wrote:
>>> Alex wrote:
 More in general in setup.sh shouldn't we use apt-get
 dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade to play it safe?
>>> 
>>> don't you mean "apt-get safe-upgrade"  ??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> dist-upgrade is used to update from 9.10 to 10.04 once it is released. and 
>>> this generally requires a bit of handholding and
>>> care so should not be done automatically.
>>> 
>>> if you need dist-upgrade it indicates that something is broken
>>> or not fully upgraded from e.g. 8.10 if your setup.
>>> 
>>> if ubuntu is releasing in-distrib security updates which require
>>> dist-upgrade to work, well fooey on them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ?,
>>> Hamish
>> 
>> To clarify the naming of commands is kind of misleading:
>> dist-upgrade is not the command on Ubuntu to change from 9.04 to 9.10
>> (example). It's actually what you would think would be called
>> smart-upgrade or safe-upgrade. It actually matches the synaptic smart
>> update option.
>> 
>> "dist-upgrade
>>   dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of
>> upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new
>> versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system,
>> and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the
>> expense of less important ones if necessary. The
>> /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations from which to
>> retrieve desired package files. See also apt_preferences(5) for a
>> mechanism for overriding the general settings for individual
>> packages."
>> 
>> safe-upgrade is an aptitude command not an apt command, go figure...
>> 
>> Alex
> 
> Note:
> I realize it might behave the way you suggested if one manually changes
> the source list to point to the next version of Ubuntu.
> 
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Re: [Live-demo] new packages

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All,

please apologize me,  i tried to be present at the irc meeting but i had "time" 
problems.
i'm following allt the svn logs, as i can see i need to :
update the tarball  "qgis plug-in" and check if any dependencies is needed.
now that we have ossimplanet installed i'll try to see if the gdal-ossim 
plug-in works as aspected
so i can add 2 simple scripts to work with ossimplanet+grass

i'll try all the stuff locally as soon as possible,
when ready i'll sent a message to the list.

ciao!

Massimo.

Il giorno 29/gen/2010, alle ore 08.04, Hamish ha scritto:

> Hi,
> 
> I thought I'd mention some new packages I've added to the build list:
> 
> install_gmt.shThe Generic Mapping Tools (cartography) + eg + 
> docs
> install_octave.sh Octave "works in a manner not dissimilar to Matlab"
>   + mapping toolbox. for powerful raster array calcs
> install_opencpn.shGPS navigation software compatible with industry
>   standard BSB and S-57 data (mainly in the US where
>   that data is both free from NOAA and not encrypted).
>   * Example of click-thru licence agreement method
> included with sample data. (fairly benign terms)
> install_osm.shSome OpenStreetMap editing tools (need help w/ 
> docs!)
> 
> 
> all are less than ~ 30mb, but the sample OpenCPN data is ~70mb (can be
> culled to fewer maps if needed)
> 
> 
> Hamish
> 
> 
> ps- the 9.10 Ubuntu CD installed on a USB disk (using the Admin menu tool)
> is working quite well for testing scripts.
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Re: [Live-demo] PostGIS issues on thel Live DVD 3.0

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Il giorno 14/gen/2010, alle ore 21.26, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

> Paul, Mark,
> 
> In building the 3.0-alpha3 version of the liveDVD, I'm getting the following 
> query come up (which requires acknowledgement). It comes up in the 
> install_postgres.sh script.
> 
> How do you suggest this should be handled? Should we be updating the LiveDVD 
> install script for Postgres to a later version?
> Could I tempt you to update the LiveDVD install script?
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/install_postgres.sh
> (current version is r2716)
> 
> Issue 1: Should we upgrade to a later version of posgres?


I think postgresql 8.4+ and postgis 1.4+ are mature sw
 and we need to rewrite the script to upgrade both postgresql and postgis.

note : the last time i tried the scripts on ubuntu 9.10
i found  different packages that needs to be update.
i think that we need just "one time" to run each scripts manually "only the 
apt-get lines"
to see which packages are obsolete so we can update the right version number 
inside the install_scripts.


Alex asked for a different dvd build procedure, i think remastersys is good but 
maybe non optimal ... googling
i find a "really nice" tool  "pyfll"

http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-9877-highlight-pyfll.html

unluky the only docs i find on pyfll usage is in german :

http://sidux.com/index.php?module=Wikula&tag=ISOBuilding

^^^ the last one shoul'd be a good way to follow.
is on the list a german translator :-) ?



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However (for who is intersted ) i'm rworking on a "edu-verson" for osgeo live 
disk.
the work to prepare it can go ahead in parallel with the foss4g-live 
preparation.
To prepare it i'm porting the install_scripts to run under sidux, 
i'll use the drive-space used by win/osx installer to have more space left for 
tutorial, data and sw.
(Sidux is a debian sid based distro, it use the debian-gis repository with 
up-to date sw-packages 
it's usage in a live-edu-disk is a way to say thanks to all the debian gis 
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[Live-demo] ubuntu 9.10 testing and new apps.

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All,

i added ossim html description to the doc scripts, 
it should be all ok for test.
Can i enable the install_ossim.sh in the main script ?

thanks!

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Re: [Live-demo] OSGEO Live GIS , ideas to share - Poseidon

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Il giorno 16/dic/2009, alle ore 23.09, Hamish ha scritto:

> Cameron wrote:
>> although the last distribution we
>> built is our highlight, because we moved from just 3 or 4
>> people involved in packaging to ~ 20 people who collectively
>> built a distribution in 6 weeks.
> 
> I hope that thanks to the work on the last release the next
> one will be 1/10th the work for the same result. Hopefully
> Ubuntu/UbuntuGIS packages just quietly update themselves to
> the latest version in the background & automatically get
> picked up. we'll see.

i started to try the script on ubuntu9.10
some packages get updates like gdal geos and others nut i agree
this think are easy to fix.
unlucky my vm has no user = user and is 64 bit so i cant produce yet a working 
report
(again .. i know, sorry .. but 64bit is too fast :-P  )

i'll try from a fresh 32 bit using the right settings "user:user"


> 
> the final download for the last ISO was 3.6 GB which leaves
> us with about 700mb for more geodata and apps. (Probably new
> ubuntu releases bloat up by about 10%/year?)
> 
> for my part I'd like to see more geodata tied into tutorials,
> and think more about a common pool of geotiff/shapefile/postgis
> geodata to pull from for those tutorials.
> 

me too, i prefer to see more data yes .. and use the same data for each 
application
"where applicable".

i also think that we need (after we have selected a common data set)
to work to produce different complex ans simple project-file for each 
application.

So we can have beautifull  project to load on the fly to demostrate 
application's capability...

and not at least,  having common data and "similar project-file" can also give 
us a method to "evaluate" (just like a "benchmark")  the different application.
(maybe an final report sounds great ... just like the osgeo-benchmark-team has 
did for the web-gis rendering at foss4g 2009.)


> 
>> I believe we were successful because:
>> * We reduced the barrier of entry and offered high value
>> for projects wanting to join. "Write a simple install
>> script, and we will guarantee your application will be
>> distributed on a DVD handed out at our international
>> conference to all delegates".
> 
> mmmph, we need to maintain some level of quality and editorial
> control... I worry that a full-on free-for-all encourages
> projects to act in their own interest at the expense of others.
> I've got no idea where that optimum balance point is of course,
> but if we can encourage the projects to stay involved after
> submitting their script to help maintain it, and in that time
> learn about how the whole disc interacts, then that sort of
> solves itself.
> 

here i've no clue .. 
i'm sure that internationalizatio (localization)
is a nice target to achieve
... it is also a "good point" to see local chapters in action.


Massimo

P.S.

.. again on data, we can also pay attention to "case study" we can propone in 
the project files.
i means we can focus our attention on topic that are 
"intersting, up to date and dedicated to noble scopes" 
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Re: [Live-demo] OSGEO Live GIS , ideas to share

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Il giorno 12/dic/2009, alle ore 03.50, Hamish ha scritto:

> Massimo wrote:
>> - can we fix a date to start the up-to date work needed for
>> the install scripts to runs on unbuntu 9.10 ?
> 
> go!
> 
> the prior release is already branched off, so as long as you
> stick to trunk it's all good.

ok, i start

> 
>> - what about adding different architecture e.g. to have
>> install scripts running on "i386, x86_64, ppc" ?
> 
> as far as releases go, that is not very easy with the GISVM
> build approach. for the live-helper approach that is just one
> line to change in a config file; cross compiling is possible too.
> 
> as far as running the build scripts on an existing system, I
> think the main thing is to change the sources.list targets over,
> but be aware for the things that get compiled some software
> might not be fully 64 bit compliant. Also I have no idea if the
> Java blob supports non 32 bit i686 platforms.

i can test on 64bit, while i have no acces to ppc.
on 64 bit some indtaller scripts seems do not runs
i'll report more speciphic notes.


> 
>> - linux and geoscience .. i'd like the idea to have on a
>> "dedicated" osgeo live project, not only speciphic "geo" sw,
>> i agree the we are on Osgeo, but adding other science sw
>> (like plotting tools, statistic and symbolic calculus sw ..
>> etc ... ) can be a cool start point for an live project
>> dedicated to an "educational" release  (in this case
>> ,"educational-release", i vote to eliminate the mac and win
>> installer and give more focus (and space) on new sw,
>> tutorial data and documentation)
> 
> you might mave a look at the Poseidon live dvd project.

I know it, it's a great project!
from poseido i see some sw title i don't know first.
But seems the last release is dated 2008.
Maybe for educational purpose is not needed
to have the last sw version installed?
btw, just to know if it was a topic of interests.

> 
> 
>> Unlucky i'm having problems to learn how to make .deb for
>> an official debian package 
>> .. i'd like the idea the osgeo live project will works for
>> both distro "ubuntu and debian-sid"
>> (i'm avaiable to spend my time to convert all the script
>> from ubuntu to debian, i did a lot of work on this
>> direction) 
>> My problem are related to the debian rules file and how to
>> hndle the dependence. 
>> You know ... "make a debian official package" is not so easy.
>> i'm really intersted to learn more about packaging an
>> "axample case" on how to make .deb for a complex sw like
>> "grass, gdal, qgis" can give me a great help.
>> i'm sure .. from a complex example it is possible to learn
>> a lot of thinks. 
> 
> please post problems to the DebianGIS mailing list, and if you
> don't get an answer just keep trying :)
> packaging config examples can be found in the DebianGIS svn.

i'll do it. i gived a look only on the debian site. i'll explotre the debian 
gis site too.

to All:  any feedback about the live-dvd "localization" idea ?

Hamish, thanks for feedback 
i really appreciated your preciouse hints!
i'll start to work and report soon to the list.

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[Live-demo] OSGEO Live GIS , ideas to share

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi All

some ideas about the osgeo's live gis project, i'd like to know your opinion 
about :

- can we fix a date to start the up-to date work needed for the install scripts 
to runs on unbuntu 9.10 ?

- what about adding different architecture e.g. to have install scripts running 
on "i386, x86_64, ppc" ?

- can we contact the local chapter's asking for a "tester",  so we can try to 
adapt the scripts to run on different localization ?
  |--  what do you think to add a directory in the svn tree : "localization" 
and subdir for different language/local-chapters ... us, en, fr, it, de, ... ?

- linux and geoscience .. i'd like the idea to have on a "dedicated" osgeo live 
project, not only speciphic "geo" sw, i agree the we are on Osgeo, but adding 
other science sw (like plotting tools, statistic and symbolic calculus sw .. 
etc ... ) can be a cool start point for an live project dedicated to an 
"educational" release  (in this case ,"educational-release", i vote to 
eliminate the mac and win installer and give more focus (and space) on new sw, 
tutorial data and documentation)


p.s.
Unlucky i'm having problems to learn how to make .deb for an official debian 
package 
.. i'd like the idea the osgeo live project will works for both distro "ubuntu 
and debian-sid"
(i'm avaiable to spend my time to convert all the script from ubuntu to debian, 
i did a lot of work on this direction) 
My problem are related to the debian rules file and how to hndle the 
dependence. 
You know ... "make a debian official package" is not so easy.
i'm really intersted to learn more about packaging an "axample case" on how to 
make .deb for a complex sw like "grass, gdal, qgis" can give me a great help.
i'm sure .. from a complex example it is possible to learn a lot of thinks. 


thanks,

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[Live-demo] Ossim on the Live-DVD

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,

new .deb packages are avaiable for ossim - ossimplanet on ubuntu 9.10
i added a new script in the svn repository to install them.

i need to add yet a description.html in the docs, the script already download 
the pdf documentation.

i'll try later to write an example session file based on preinstalled examples 
data.

Massimo.

p.s.

I agree to update as soon as possible to Ubuntu  karmic  Koala (9.10)

Il giorno 07/dic/2009, alle ore 07.39, Alex Mandel ha scritto:

> I know there are lots of issues to work on so I wanted to get the
> discussion started on the next version of the Live Demo. I'll toss out
> that I'd like to see the next one roll out by the end of March 2010,
> version 2.5? (Maybe we should change the numbering system?)
> 
> I'm specifically targeting the spring conference season in which I know
> of several events that OSGeo intends to have booths at and would be
> great to get discs to.
> 
> The basics of this run,
> upgrade base image to Karmic Koala(9.10)
> make sure all the OSGeo projects get onto it.
> 
> The version after that would be for the next FOSS4G, in the fall,
> probably based on Ubuntu 10.4
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
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[Live-demo] live dvd, some questions

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi all,

following the mbsystem mailing-list i've notice about the existence of "not 
official" .deb packages , here a link :

http://sites.google.com/site/anbadeol/debian#TOC-MB-System

i'm not able to test it under ubuntu (used in the OSGEO live dvd)
and neither on my linux beacouse i'm using a 64bit disro while the .deb is only 
for 32bit

i hope to find the time to reinstall a 32 bit VM, but maybe someone on the list 
can test it?


-  maybe a bit OT...,  but i've an other question :

actually  i'm continue to develop a live-dvd based on the osgeo live dvd 
installer [0] + other science sw,
on a different distro (sidux 64bit).
i have not added mac and win sw to save space dedicaded to other linux-sw.

My final target is to have a dvd ready to run for scientific university courses.
i'd like to condivide with you its development, if someone is intersted please 
let me know.
i'm alone ... so anyone can help me ... just running the iso and send me 
feedback shoul'd be great!

thaks to All!

ciao,

Massimo.


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[Live-demo] load_postgis.sh wrong data url.

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi, in the script  load_postgis.sh

there is a not found url to the data.

ftp://ftp.ardec.com.au/UPLOADS/medford-gisvm.sql.bz2

is this the new url to the data :

ftp://ftp.ardec.com.au/UPLOADS/postgis_data.zip

if it is the right dataset, do you know if the sed command is no  
longer required?


thanks.

Massimo.


p.s.

loading the postgis layer inside qgis i had a worning, maiby not all  
the layer are loaded

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Re: [Live-demo] Re: [OSGeo] #453: R script compiles from source, debs available

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Il giorno 22/set/09, alle ore 20:02, Alex Mandel ha scritto:


I already tweaked to code last night for most of these packages. I
didn't manage to find the repo key, I'll go grab those now.

The source method works fine I was just looking to save a little  
time on

the build at some point.

Is backports necessary, that's broken machines for me in the past.


no backports is not necessary.

just adding the ubuntu R repository is good, so we can switch from  
R-2.8 to R 2.9.2





Alex

Massimo Di Stefano wrote:


from the page :

http://lib.stat.cmu.edu/R/CRAN/bin/linux/ubuntu/

i've notice the number of packages is limited to :

  r-cran-boot
  r-cran-cluster
  r-cran-codetools
  r-cran-foreign
  r-cran-kernsmooth
  r-cran-lattice
  r-cran-matrix
  r-cran-mgcv
  r-cran-nlme
  r-cran-rpart
  r-cran-survival
  r-cran-vr
  r-cran-rodbc


maybe i'm wrong, not sure,
but if we delete this from the installRpackages script,
can we create confusion, mixing binaries and source compiled  
packages ?


however,  if the source build is a problem,
why don't build the packages just one time
then create a .tar.gz for the libraries
and upload it on the svn.

So each time the gisvm script well runs it has to download the  
prebuild

packages instead to re-compile it
(this procedure can works only if we don't run apt-get update /  
upgrade

on the ubuntu distro. )

make sense for you ?


Thanks,

Massimo.


P.S:


on a fresh ubuntu9.04 machine i activated backports run update/ 
upgrade

and added: :

deb http://<http://cran.ms.unimelb.edu.au/>/bin/linux/ubuntu jaunty/

gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key E2A11821
gpg -a --export E2A11821 | sudo apt-key add -

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install r-base r-base-dev

can i try to build the pacjkages and create the :

/usr/lib/R/site-library.tar.gz?

or maybe is better to do this process on the gisVM machine that will
create the iso ?

Il giorno 22/set/09, alle ore 09:36, OSGeo ha scritto:


#453: R script compiles from source, debs available
 
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Reporter:  wildintellect  |   Owner:  live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
Type:  enhancement|  Status:  new
Priority:  minor  |   Component:  LiveDVD
Resolution: |Keywords:  R, CRAN
 
+---


Comment (by wildintellect):

Attached file was run on 8.04 more packages may be present in  
Jaunty but

it's a good start. Who wants to go through and create an apt-get and
remove them from the installRpackages.r once done.

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Re: [Live-demo] Re: [OSGeo] #453: R script compiles from source, debs available

[Massimo Di Stefano]

from the page :

http://lib.stat.cmu.edu/R/CRAN/bin/linux/ubuntu/

i've notice the number of packages is limited to :

   r-cran-boot
   r-cran-cluster
   r-cran-codetools
   r-cran-foreign
   r-cran-kernsmooth
   r-cran-lattice
   r-cran-matrix
   r-cran-mgcv
   r-cran-nlme
   r-cran-rpart
   r-cran-survival
   r-cran-vr
   r-cran-rodbc


maybe i'm wrong, not sure,
but if we delete this from the installRpackages script,
can we create confusion, mixing binaries and source compiled packages ?

however,  if the source build is a problem,
why don't build the packages just one time
then create a .tar.gz for the libraries
and upload it on the svn.

So each time the gisvm script well runs it has to download the  
prebuild packages instead to re-compile it
(this procedure can works only if we don't run apt-get update /  
upgrade on the ubuntu distro. )


make sense for you ?


Thanks,

Massimo.


P.S:


on a fresh ubuntu9.04 machine i activated backports run update/upgrade  
and added: :


deb http:///bin/linux/ubuntu jaunty/

gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key E2A11821
gpg -a --export E2A11821 | sudo apt-key add -

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install r-base r-base-dev

can i try to build the pacjkages and create the :

/usr/lib/R/site-library.tar.gz?

or maybe is better to do this process on the gisVM machine that will  
create the iso ?


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#453: R script compiles from source, debs available
 
+---

 Reporter:  wildintellect  |   Owner:  live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
 Type:  enhancement|  Status:  new
 Priority:  minor  |   Component:  LiveDVD
Resolution: |Keywords:  R, CRAN
 
+---

Comment (by wildintellect):

Attached file was run on 8.04 more packages may be present in Jaunty  
but

it's a good start. Who wants to go through and create an apt-get and
remove them from the installRpackages.r once done.

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Re: [Live-demo] R script test

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Hi,


Il giorno 20/set/09, alle ore 09:19, Alex Mandel ha scritto:

I've got the install_R.sh script working now, took about an hour+ on  
my

machine to get through it all and the R add-ons seem to take about
300MB, not sure about the R install and system debs that are included.

Alex


yes it is big i know, i had to eliminita some packeges to reduce it to  
"about 300 mb",
the original list is more big, it derive from the spatial page on the  
R site,  it is a subset of :


http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Spatial.html

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[Live-demo] Re: QGIS plugins issues

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Il giorno 20/set/09, alle ore 09:38, Alex Mandel ha scritto:


Massimo,

The plugin bundle you made/hosting seems to still have the contour
plugin and also appears to be having issues now with the geofeeds
plugin. We should probably make sure to drop both asap before the next
build starts in 4-6 hours.

line 34, in
elif os.path.isdir(os.path.expanduser(dir2 + '/geofeeds')):
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/posixpath.py",line 247, in
expanduser
if not path.startswith('~'):
AttributeError: startswith

Alex



i uploaded  new tar.gz without :

contour and geofid plug-gin
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Re: [Live-demo] script to install R, Rpy2 and python depemdencies (needed by qgis plug-in)

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,

on ubuntu 9.04, tring to install py-qwt4 but it give me this log :

python-qwt4:
Depends from : python v.(<2.6), but will be installed v. 
2.6.2-0ubuntu1



seems that the packages was maded using a different python version (2.5)
instead of python v.3.6

i don't kow how if only my buntu vm is affected by this problem, maybe  
exists a work around i can  try to google about it.


In the past i tried to install qwt and pyqwt from source using a  
precise python executable to fix he problem.


Massimo.

Il giorno 08/set/09, alle ore 19:18, Alex Mandel ha scritto:


Massimo Di Stefano wrote:

Hi,

I tried to finde what python packages are needed by the qgis plug-in
and what is needed to install some R packages.

The R-packages list come from the book :

"
http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Spatial-Data-Analysis-Use/dp/0387781706/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1 
"



i've not included the qgis plug-in, the user can easy do itself  
(select

what he needs)

but maybe we can add the .qgis directory in the /home/user/ to have
already installed some plug-in, tell me what you think about.

(minor issue :  ubuntu has a python dependencies problem, it is not  
able

to install the pyQwt libraries,
so is not possible to have raster-profile and scattergram plug-in)



At the request of the QGIS team I included python-qwt-qt4 in the QGIS
script, does that one work for Jaunty?

Alex

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[Live-demo] script to install R, Rpy2 and python depemdencies (needed by qgis plug-in)

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,

I tried to finde what python packages are needed by the qgis plug-in
and what is needed to install some R packages.

The R-packages list come from the book :

" http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Spatial-Data-Analysis-Use/dp/0387781706/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1 
"


i've not included the qgis plug-in, the user can easy do itself  
(select what he needs)


but maybe we can add the .qgis directory in the /home/user/ to have  
already installed some plug-in, tell me what you think about.


(minor issue :  ubuntu has a python dependencies problem, it is not  
able to install the pyQwt libraries,

so is not possible to have raster-profile and scattergram plug-in)



install_PyDep_and_R.sh
Description: Binary data





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Re: [Live-demo] More ideas on collaborative development

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi Cameron,


Massimo,
I'm interested to hear your feedback on this email.
In particular, I'm keen to determine whether the ideas proposed fit  
with what you are doing, and whether we can collaborate to some level.



Little update on what i'm doing :

Actually i'm hard-working on a sidux live.iso produced by a virtualbox  
VM,

doing regular update && dist-upgrade.
The sidux distro use debian-sid, sidux (including debian-gis repository)
It use the latest kernel and updated packages (i added the non-free  
repository too)



For some reason i prefer to build some sw from svn source code : Gdal,  
Grass, OpenScenaGraph, Ossim, Qgis, Mapserver, Mapnik, Libtiff,  
Libgeotiff, GpsTK).

and other sw from tarball (pgadmin3 and some others)

"""  about svn sw against stable version ... :
i prefer to have development (svn) version, in this way i can do an  
intense testing process using it
in my short experience i find more bugs in the stable version rather  
than the svn version (this can  be not true for you .. i agree, but  
this is my experience)

.
 If we have time to give a look, every day, in the svn boot logs ...   
for each application we are intersted for, in this way we know if  
there is a commit that represent an  update or a bug fix changes.
knowing the svn progress we can test the new enanchments and debug it  
if/where it is possible.
in this way the sw development go ahead more fast (if we provide logs,  
ticket or feedback .. using m-list and irc) and if (unlucky) a bug  
come up and no solution/fix is ready we can even do svn -r "release- 
without the critical bug" to checkout a good revision tagged as "svn- 
stable"  """


(odd : using a source build for gdal i need to build from source all  
the sw that depends on it, but it ensures me to have a working gdal  
version without generate conflict bettween variouse tools that uses  
gdal (see gdal-grass and ossim-gdal plug-in).



What i'm including in the .iso :

- sw we have in the last osgeo dvd (need to add java apps yet, using  
the free jdm and not the sun jvm)
 (i agree that we need a full detailed list about the software We  
want install on the live disc)

- ossim+3d stuff
- updated grass6.5 and qgis1.2  svn version (plus all the qgis-python  
plug-in and some grass addons)
- other scientific sw like octave (+qt interface) and variouse  
plotting tools

- R with spatial packages already installed
- gmt + mbsystem
- some FEM (finite elements) sw
- database managment sw (pgadmin3, phppgadmin)
- openoffice 3 complete suite, gimp, inkskape
- latex tools
- development kit + dev packages headers (compilers and tools like  
gcc, jam, ant, scons, etc... and the needed -dev dependencies to build  
sw from source)

- sidux help file in all avaiable language.

i need to add  yet the java sw (geoserver, geonetwork, udig+javagrass,  
josm ... others?)
here i need help and i'll give a depth look at the future scripts to  
configure them.


i'm planning to add also OMAR (ossim mapping archive),  OTB (Orfeo  
Toolbox) and tilecache + GeoDjango



I'm installing sw from source instead of use what the debian- 
repository already has beacouse :


- installing sw from svn or source tar.gz  give us a distro that is  
really up-to-date, and it is aslo "upgradable"
 every time the user needs an upgrade, beacouse it already has all  
the needed dependencies (-dev
 packages) and i'll provide scripts to update configure and make the  
sw installed from source.


- there are some packages (sdl, libtiff, pyqwt, pgadmin3, ... others)  
with some problems and bugs

 so installing from source i can avoid to have bugus sw installed

I choose sidux instead of debian stable or ubuntu beacouse :

-  it has more updated packages and it is a stabilized sidux distro

-  using sidux it already install in the .iso some virtualizzation  
tools that give us :
  in a VirtualBox Machine, just select the sidux.iso in virtualbox as  
bootable device and the VM will have
  expanding desktop and 3d environment ready to use in the VM   (ose  
version)


(the downloaded iso is about 450 mb, it is really thin)
starting from it id done a apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade (adding  
the non-free repository too)
i added script to rebuild the SW installed from source. the final .iso  
size is near 2.3 gb





I'm hoping that the install scripts that we write for each project  
which target Xubuntu will be useful for your sidux development, and  
that you will be in a position to write some of the install scripts,  
and or test what we have written.




For sure, i can test the scripts without problems and adapt it to  
works on sidux.
I need help for the java apps beacouse i never used it too much i'm  
able to install Geonetwork and Geoserver (based on tomcat)...  but i  
never configured it to works on data (step needed to have a working  
geoserver/geonetwork demo).


For openlayer+Tilecache+Mapnik+ Osm(including tools like osm2pgsql and  
mapnik rendering)) i can ask on the relative #i

Re: [Live-demo] Re: Live-demo Digest, Vol 10, Issue 6

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi,

Il giorno 12/ago/09, alle ore 18:57, mapl...@light42.com ha scritto:


Hi All-

 so I did get the latest copy from epifanio.. thank you epifanio!
I ran it in a VM on a MacBook Pro unibody using Virtual Box. 3D
acceleration did *not* work for me - but perhaps I needed to run the  
VBox

guest addition ?


the 3d should works as default (eg. you will be able to run ossimplanet)

the 3d acceleration works after the VB VBox (eg. you will be able to  
run ossimplanet more fast)




 Otherwise the distro is looking very good. Thanks for english  
language
settings (!)  hmm perhaps PGAdmin did not come up - I will have to  
look

again.



yes it's true! thanks for testing it
i'm having a chat wid sidux people to fix it.
seems it is a wx problem related to this bug :

http://bugs.debian.org/540060

i hope it will fixed soon

(i tried to run other sw like grass that use wx too, it works as  
aspected)


 (for the record, that linux host I used with epifanio to upload is  
at a
UC Berkeley Asst Professor's home, with a standard cable internet  
link..

so nothing fancy on campus.. I could ask if we need it, but the
bureaucracy is pretty thick there, too)

 best regards
  -Brian

==
Brian Hamlin
OSGeo California Chapter
IRC: darkblue_b


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Re: [Live-demo] LiveDVD from GISVM?

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi Cameron,

this is the way i'm following.

i'm using a linux distro installed on a VM (virtualbox)
then from it i create the live.iso using remastersy basckup utility.

i had to hack a bit remastersy to have it working on sidux too.

why sidux :
sidux has already preinstalled a virtual environment,
so when you start the live.iso inside a VM
it will have the "base" virtualbox addition already Working.

This means :
- mouse can go outside the vm screen
- 3d sw ( like ossimplanet) working in a live session
- screen expanding.. etc

but i also had, in the live.iso desktop, a ditrectory with the  
virtualbox addition installer.
it is needed beacouse any upgrade that touch the kernel ... needs a  
new virtualbox addition installation.


i have an updated live.iso disk image, i uploaded it to darkblue_b  
(irc frrenode)
to a berkeley univ. computer so him can do simple test and see if all  
works as aspected
(the live do not has all the geo-sw installed, beacouse i need that it  
go under testing first.
if we don't have boot and driver problems, i can go ahead to customize  
it)


tell me if you want try it, let me know if i can upload it to you.

ciao,

Massimo.


Il giorno 11/ago/09, alle ore 08:49, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:


Ricardo,
I wonder whether it would be possible to cut a Live DVD image from  
the GISVM virtual machine image?


If so, this could be an effective way to share the maintenance of  
the LiveDVD and GISVM, and share communities.


Is this possible, and what would be involved to make this happen?

--
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[Live-demo] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2009 to reach those who cannot attend

[Massimo Di Stefano]

 exists)
to figure out this problem i commented out the relative "if statment"  
to check the module presence.

after this littlle hack i have remastersys "semi-working" on sidux too.
the live-dvd produced has a working gis software (also 3d with  
ossimplanet) but unluky the script fails to configure the network  
(resolvconf problems)

and it has missed the "install to hd" tools.
(i'm subsribed to the remastersys forum and i'm tring to get support  
about this problem)





in short word :

using debian or ubuntu i'm not able to have a really platform  
independent 3d environment but i have an installable live-dvd


while on sidux i have all working in live-mode except to the  
resolvconf-dhcp problem (i'll meet a server-mantainers in the next   
days to face out this problem)


again the live is not yet installable on HD (i'm tring to solve this  
on the remastersys forum).





5. Add what ever new packages, linux software, windows installers,  
etc to the LiveDVD. This is the technical grunt work.
Note that the packaging projects like DebianGIS and UbuntuGIS are  
quite robust, and have been very helpful in getting new people  
started with packaging, and many of these people are also on the  
LiveDVD email list.


i've discuss about the osgeo live-dvd project on our local-chapter  
list, we'll be avaiable to produce a local dataset and localized  
documents.


my idea is to use as example data a common dataset based on global  
data + a localized dataset based on local-free data if avaiable.
however we need a common tutorial/how-to workshop files to follow as  
guide-line for the local chapters.



just a littel consideration maybe is is obviouse,
i'm tring the variouse .iso produced and is my idea that the live.iso  
works really more fast if it is booted in a virtualbox machine
i do some test on the live.iso, i find that running it in a VirtualBox  
Machine,  it is really fast rather than a boot from cd.




thanks to read this long-confuse mail and for any feedback.

Massimo.



Welcome aboard.
I suggest that any volunteers join the live-demo email list, and  
respond to this email suggesting how you might want to help.

Cameron Shorter, FOSS4G chair.

Ravi wrote:

Hi,
volunteer:
Happy to note a good discussion.
I can help in seeing the draft of workshops/Labs that deal with  
Vector-GIS and GIS that focuses on Geoscience. Can help in advising  
where necessary, to tune the material such that those multitudes  
not attending the event can equally use the material with ease.

Cheers
Ravi Kumar

--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Alex Borrell  wrote:



From: Alex Borrell 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2009 to reach those who cannot  
attend

To: "OSGeo Discussions" 
Cc: "Cameron Shorter" 
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 8:12 PM


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:55 AM,
Massimo Di Stefano 
wrote:

Hi All,



I'm  working on a live dvd project based on GIS
software,

i'm avaiable for any help on the dvd creation.

let me know.



ciao,



Massimo.



Il giorno 31/lug/09, alle ore 11:11, Cameron Shorter ha
scritto:




Hi Ravi,

Yes, you are so right, we do need to collect as much of the
material from the FOSS4G conference as we can.



One way we hope to facilitate this has been to give every
attendee a LiveDVD which can be populated with all the
material from the workshops. This means that if workshop
presenters can get their data onto the DVD, then they know
all attendees will receive it.




So we have budget for the LiveDVD. We have an old version
of the LiveDVD (based on FOSS4G 2008). What we need to
continue through to completion is to have someone who will
coordinate the compiling of the DVD.  This is primarily a
project management role, keeping track of what is on the DVD
and what should be on it, contacting workshop authors, and
project leads and helping them get their projects onto the
DVD etc.




Sound like you? It would be an incredibly valuable
contribution to FOSS4G and the greater OSGeo community at
large.



Jody Garnett wrote:


These are all kind thoughts. Would you consider
volunteering to help

put together the conference live DVD? You can see an
example from

FOSS4G2008 etc...



Jody



On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:20 AM, 
wrote:




Hi All,

FOSS4G every year is a keenly followed event. Many await
the publication of material on the website eagerly such that
they can follow labs, workshops and presentations of
choice.



So the present organisers may please request those
especially conducting labs/workshops to keep in mind the
multitudes who browse them through the internet can have
equal benefit. This can be achieved my keeping on the
internet for download


1. All the binaries that are required for the exercise

2. All the data that are required for the exercise

3. All the printed material provided for the exercise

4. All the other material provided to the attendees, CD or
DVD etc



I agree that 

[Live-demo] R: Live Disc Passwords

[Massimo Di Stefano]

Hi Alex. All
 
 
apologize for the offline site problems ... i exceeds the ftp traffics so the 
hoster close my web-space.
i modified the contract right now so it is again on-line (i'll host soon an 
updated version of the live-dvd) the one you download is a bit outdated the 
user and password try this :
 
user : sasha
password : tiamo
 
or 
 
user : sasha
password : gfoss
 
a new releasy is ready with some bug fix, it is ever based on ubuntu 9.04 32bit.
 
but ...
 i agree with the last post on the list to avoid works duplication ... 
 
have a common environment (basic .iso) and works on a 
OSGEO-repository (for both dependences, applications (stable+devel),  and 
custom scripts (like : install geo-packages for R, apt-get for common used sw 
in geoscience, localization for tutorials e data) ... and much more) 
is the better way to go.
 
i'm not a good packager (i only used checkinstall for now)
i think that as distro i'll prefer to use a debian sid based distro (right now 
i'm tring sidux and it is really cool ... as example : grass6.4 in the packages)
 
so we can use the debian-gis packages and works all together to make debian-gis 
ever better, avoiding duplication.
 
i'll come back on line the next week (i'm studing for exams)
so we can discuss many of thes arguments
 
regards,
 
Massimo.

server : irc.freenode.net
canale : #gfoss

--- Mer 20/5/09, Alex Mandel  ha scritto:


Da: Alex Mandel 
Oggetto: Live Disc Passwords
A: "massimo di stefano" 
Cc: "live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" 
Data: Mercoledì 20 maggio 2009, 14:24


I think I forgot to write down the username/passwords for your live
disc, could you post them to the list so it's online where people can
find it.

Thanks,
Alex



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[Live-demo] a new Live-DVD (still alpha ... needs feedback ;-))

[massimo di stefano]

Hi All,

i'm working on a live-dvd,
the live is based on ubuntu 9.04
it icludes some sw form the official repository, to satisfy the needed  
dependancies while for the main GIS sw i used svn version [x]

a description of what is included in the iso.alpha is avaiable here [xx]
i'll think to stabilize it after the official ubuntu 9.04 is released.



I know that to produce an other copy of cd/dvd live is not a good  
think, while we need a collaborative work on a common project

i done these work by myself , to learn,  and for the italian community
(we'll use these dvd as free - gadget distributable in conference or  
any events where gfoss will be implicated)
i'll hope to merge all the needed knowledge in a common project with  
all the osgeo people, so we can do a better job.
i agree that we need a common repository and a  "packages-builder  
system"  to produce .deb for our needs (on these side i need to learn  
more yet)



Please, download it and do some test, comments suggestions, any  
feedback,  well be appreciated.





[x]
i preferred to use svn version (i know it isn't a common chice)
but i prefer to have an ins allable live-dvd
using svn code i can update it without some efforts (just svn-up, and  
configure & make)
the idea to have the code installed from source is derived by the  
needs to compile addons,
demostrating in class rooms how to work with svn, compile source,  
update .. debug etc



[xx]

link to the project are avaiable from :

gfoss.it wiki-page :

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Links_to_related_projects

osgeo wiki :

http://wiki.gfoss.it/index.php/LiveDVD-GFOSS.it

main site for download :

http://www.geofemengineering.it/Site/blog/Voci/2009/4/9_GFOSS_-_Live-DVD.html





regards,







Massimo Di Stefano
massimodisa...@yahoo.it

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