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Thanks James. I'm going to have to move to bloody London aren't I? :) You could be the single solitary perl coder who volunteers to work at BBC North ... Oi, that's my slot!
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 18:48, Billy Abbott wrote: I've had some gooduns, and not only the rather excellent cask Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA that I had the GBBF a few years back. They are normally a bit fizzy, but as long as it's nice and hoppy I can forgive that. More decent US beer is making its way over to our fair shores these days, although it generally seems to end up quite pricey in Utobeer and the like. I was sceptical about US beer until my former flatmate (who is american) brought me some Dogfish Head beer back after a trip home. It's got to be up there with the best that England has to offer. I quite like Sierra Nevada, and you can get that in Tescos these days. ISTR it's quite reasonably priced in waitrose these days. In fact, waitrose is a fantastic place to buy beer generally as they've got a huge selection and there's always something cheap (and often the boxes of 4). The real question, though, is how easy is it to find a pub that serves a decent well kept pint in the US? It's getting harder and harder here. --James
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:37:10AM +0800, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > Last time I was in NY, I hit a few bars trying to find *anything* local > and they were all proud of their "fine imported European beers". Like > Heineken, Kronie, Amstel... > > Twats. Discussing beer isn't any different from discussing computer languages, is it? Anyone drinking a beer/using a language you don't like is a baboon. Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-) Abigail
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Iain Tatch wrote: 2009/9/29 Dirk Koopman : Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer? Advertising & marketing budgets that, combined across all the large brewers of mainstream lagers, easily stretch into the hundreds of millions of pounds. Nope, that is a cop out. There is still perfectly good stuff out there brewed by the majors that is not being drunk. Crucially, they see it declining and, if asked, their customers seem to agree. Yet the horrible stuff, their customers like it and are buying more of it. What do you expect them to do? What would you do in their position?
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2009/9/29 Dirk Koopman : > Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much > tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer? Advertising & marketing budgets that, combined across all the large brewers of mainstream lagers, easily stretch into the hundreds of millions of pounds. Iain
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Dirk Koopman wrote: >What is it about the good stuff that seems to put most people (a >category which probably excludes nearly everyone on this list) off >drinking it. Tastes take training. Bitter tastes in particular are something that need to be acquired. If you've grown up on hypersweetened everything, that's harder. If you don't know other people who are drinking bitter things, and indeed if drinking bitter things will get you looked on as a weirdo, why bother? R
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Sue Spence wrote: 2009/9/29 Ask Bjørn Hansen On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to scream! What the real ale fetishists and general beer nerds here like to forget it is just how well that American Budweiser stuff appears to sell in England. I see people drinking it *all the time* and when it first started getting a foothold back in the '90s I had thought the fad might blow over. Whatever -- if people want to drink it, let 'em. ooo this could yet morph into serious philosophy / anthropology if we aren't careful. Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer? What is it about the good stuff that seems to put most people (a category which probably excludes nearly everyone on this list) off drinking it. Please don't say "oh if only they would try it and they would change their mind" because we / Camra went through that phase in the 1980s / early 1990s. We and they have come out the other side and are watching the year on year decline of mainstream, nationally (or even just regionally) available real beer that tastes of something. Even saying "oh people have moved over to lager" isn't enough, because if you give them decent lager (say real Belgian/German/Czech stuff), they won't touch it. They stick to the bland/sweet rubbish. Don't blame the brewers, they will keep producing the stuff if they can sell it. They can't, and brew after decent brew is disappearing. Dirk
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2009/9/29 Ask Bjørn Hansen > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: > > ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. >> > > Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of > different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple > talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to > scream! > > What the real ale fetishists and general beer nerds here like to forget it is just how well that American Budweiser stuff appears to sell in England. I see people drinking it *all the time* and when it first started getting a foothold back in the '90s I had thought the fad might blow over. Whatever -- if people want to drink it, let 'em. http://company.monster.co.uk/anheuseruk/ "The UK The UK is Anheuser-Busch's second-largest market outside the United States. The UK market is managed by Anheuser-Busch Europe Ltd; a fully autonomous business unit within Anheuser-Busch International. Head office functions are based at Thames Link House, Richmond and brewing is carried out by Anheuser-Busch brewmasters at the Budweiser Stag Brewery in Mortlake. Brewing Budweiser locally helps meet the strong demand for Budweiser in the UK. " *The *
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[Mmm, my copy of mutt won't put Ricardo in the Cc:, even with "group reply", which is hateful, because I know he's not subscribed to the list] On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote: > * Nicholas Clark [2009-09-29T05:18:15] > > That's what you say. I think that this is just a large Yankee conspiracy to > > make the rest of the beer-appreciating world think that there is no decent > > beer in America. This way America can keep the good stuff to itself, because > > no-one realises that they need to get upset because it's not exported. > Even a fair bar has a number of good beers on tap, though, and they're almost > always all American. I think that we Yanks who like our great American beer > would love to share knowledge of it with the rest of the world -- but it's > mostly produced by local concerns who don't make enough to supply the world. So that theory fits the facts? :-) > That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some > places in London. I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you. I > imagine it will have suffered a bit from the trip, but it's a fantastic beer. Spitfire doesn't survive the trip to Denmark. I've not spotted Victory anywhere. I'll keep a lookout. > > (I think that the Danes adopt the same policy, and the Germans do for wine) > > > > On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. > > How come America can't? > > Do you mean happoshu, or Japanese rice-adjunct lagers? I've never had an > Asian > beer that I liked much, but I'd love to find one. I meant things like Asahi and similar, which Japanese restaurants in the UK tend to serve. I find them quite drinkable. Then again, I find Cobra drinkable with curry. But elsewhere, oh so bland. Maybe I'm admitting I have no taste. :-) Nicholas Clark
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Ovid wrote: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I've had some gooduns, and not only the rather excellent cask Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA that I had the GBBF a few years back. They are normally a bit fizzy, but as long as it's nice and hoppy I can forgive that. More decent US beer is making its way over to our fair shores these days, although it generally seems to end up quite pricey in Utobeer and the like. I quite like Sierra Nevada, and you can get that in Tescos these days. --billy -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:24:09PM +0100, Steff Davies wrote: > Meantime do an IPA which is bloody spectacular, mind you, so it's not as > if we can't get it right when we try. I've seen some Meantime brews on offer at the Bridge House, so: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 05:38:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > In accordance with Ancient Tradition and as laid down in the writings of > our forefathers, London.pm will be gathering on the first Thursday of > the month - namely Thu 1 Oct - for our monthly social, at the Bridge > House pub, which is at the southern end of Tower Bridge: > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SE1%202UP I'll double check what they have this Thursday. Although all the lovely Adnams is also oh so tempting. > The righteous are also encouraged to attend the heretical social a week > later, so that you may while there attempt to return them to the True > Faith by sweet reason and the example of your virtuous lives. The > Meeting of the Damned will be a week later, on Thu 8 Oct, at the > Gunmakers, Eyre St Hill: > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=EC1R%205ET Forgive me brother Evil, for I shall not be attending. However, I will be at the Vienna.pm social a week today. Drinking Austrian beer. Unless it's in Tin Tans, in which case it will have to be cocktails. Nicholas Clark
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Ovid wrote: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. I absolutely loved the (local) IPA in the Rose and Crown in Palo Alto, mainly because it was an actual IPA (pale and strong/hoppy enough to survive shipping to India or indeed Pluto) rather than the renamed lightish session beers one tends to get over here (Greene King and Caledonian, I'm looking at you). Meantime do an IPA which is bloody spectacular, mind you, so it's not as if we can't get it right when we try. S
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In accordance with Ancient Tradition and as laid down in the writings of our forefathers, London.pm will be gathering on the first Thursday of the month - namely Thu 1 Oct - for our monthly social, at the Bridge House pub, which is at the southern end of Tower Bridge: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SE1%202UP This is one of those rare months when the HERETICS, through their fancy new-fangled calendar, disagree with the one True Faith on when to meet. The righteous will, of course, not be drawn into SCHISM, and will attend this blessed social. The righteous are also encouraged to attend the heretical social a week later, so that you may while there attempt to return them to the True Faith by sweet reason and the example of your virtuous lives. The Meeting of the Damned will be a week later, on Thu 8 Oct, at the Gunmakers, Eyre St Hill: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=EC1R%205ET -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat
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On 30 Sep 2009, at 00:23, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to scream! What's with targeting Americans here? There's no shortage of ignorance on the subject the world over. I see people buying Heineken all the time, f'rinstance. Last time I was in NY, I hit a few bars trying to find *anything* local and they were all proud of their "fine imported European beers". Like Heineken, Kronie, Amstel... Twats. -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: > >> ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. > > Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of > different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple > talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to > scream! What's with targeting Americans here? There's no shortage of ignorance on the subject the world over. I see people buying Heineken all the time, f'rinstance. Paul
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On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to scream! - ask [1] http://www.bevmo.com/ - the "and more" part of the name is really just to make it sound like a store name. "Beverages" would be more accurate.
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- Original Message > From: Ricardo Signes > I suppose that as a Yank, I can't properly dismiss this theory, but I'll try. > We have some totally amazing beer here. My favorite beers are all American, > and I've had enough good British, Irish, and European beer to feel like I can > fairly choose between them. There is a large culture of beer appreciation > here. Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. The best beers are Belgian. After that, I might vote German. Might. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 16:26, Ricardo Signes wrote: fairly choose between them. There is a large culture of beer appreciation here. ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. Would you care to speculate on the ratio of those populations in the US? (and/or outside).
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* Nicholas Clark [2009-09-29T05:18:15] > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 02:06:32AM -0700, Ovid wrote: > > That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers. Due > > to grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley. It > > results in a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed > > to forget that beer can actually taste good. Heck, I learned to *like* > > Diet Coke after drinking enough of it. I have no taste, either. > > That's what you say. I think that this is just a large Yankee conspiracy to > make the rest of the beer-appreciating world think that there is no decent > beer in America. This way America can keep the good stuff to itself, because > no-one realises that they need to get upset because it's not exported. I suppose that as a Yank, I can't properly dismiss this theory, but I'll try. We have some totally amazing beer here. My favorite beers are all American, and I've had enough good British, Irish, and European beer to feel like I can fairly choose between them. There is a large culture of beer appreciation here. ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance. It's 11:18 here, local time, and the guy across the aisle from me on this motor coach just finished drinking a pint can of Busch, a horrible beer in the family known as "American adjunct lagers." The adjunct in question is, yeah, rice. These are the beers that America is infamous for in the rest of the world, and rightly so: they're ubiquitous and awful. A crappy bar will always serve Miller, Busch, Bud, and Molson. Maybe there will be one or two local beers of random quality. Locally, you will *always* find Yuengling Lager. If you say, "gimme a lager," you get that. It's actually beer (unlike Busch) but it's not great. Even a fair bar has a number of good beers on tap, though, and they're almost always all American. I think that we Yanks who like our great American beer would love to share knowledge of it with the rest of the world -- but it's mostly produced by local concerns who don't make enough to supply the world. That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some places in London. I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you. I imagine it will have suffered a bit from the trip, but it's a fantastic beer. > (I think that the Danes adopt the same policy, and the Germans do for wine) > > On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. > How come America can't? Do you mean happoshu, or Japanese rice-adjunct lagers? I've never had an Asian beer that I liked much, but I'd love to find one. -- rjbs
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 09:13, Uri Guttman wrote: [...] the monty python spam song was based on the mass of spam eaten in the war and offered on menus. I understand the sketch is actually a parody of there being *chips* with everything on cafe menus. Spam was substituted to make the whole thing more surreal and funny. Certainly, you'll have a hard time finding a greasy spoon that sells spam, but it's even more of a challenge to find one that doesn't do chips.
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Nicholas Clark wrote: [...] (Yes, I have chosen to effectively waste 850 subscribers' time by replying to this message, because I want to draw everyone's attention to this, so that they don't screw up this way themselves. Autoresponders to lists, of any form, do not a good advertisement make.) ... especially autoresponders which send to the From: or Reply-To: address instead of the envelope sender, which should (eventually) unsubscribe the address. The various email RFCs are freely-available and easy to read. Why don't people bother?
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2009/9/29 Nicholas Clark > > > On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. > How come America can't? > > That's easy. The Japanese *know* rice.
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:35AM +0100, b...@textor.com wrote: > This email address is no longer active. Please check the website > www.textor.com for our contact details. Well, clearly someone's software doesn't grasp "Precedence: list", envelope from, or subjects starting "Re: ". (Yes, I have chosen to effectively waste 850 subscribers' time by replying to this message, because I want to draw everyone's attention to this, so that they don't screw up this way themselves. Autoresponders to lists, of any form, do not a good advertisement make.) Nicholas Clark PS Magic pixies acted upon the inferred unsubscribe request. No beer was harmed in the manufacture of this message.
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2009/9/29 Uri Guttman > > "SC" == Simon Cozens writes: > > SC> On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote: > >>> Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is "yes". > >>> http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168 > >>> That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course. > >>> > >> > >> The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. > > SC> It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the > SC> Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats > SC> that they can't eat any more. > Chortle. > > too bad, the real answer is more mundane.[...] Bloody Vikings!
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 02:06:32AM -0700, Ovid wrote: > That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers. Due to > grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley. It results > in a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed to forget > that beer can actually taste good. Heck, I learned to *like* Diet Coke after > drinking enough of it. I have no taste, either. That's what you say. I think that this is just a large Yankee conspiracy to make the rest of the beer-appreciating world think that there is no decent beer in America. This way America can keep the good stuff to itself, because no-one realises that they need to get upset because it's not exported. (I think that the Danes adopt the same policy, and the Germans do for wine) On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. How come America can't? Nicholas Clark
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 15:20, Simon Cozens wrote: On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote: Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is "yes". http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168 That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course. The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats that they can't eat any more. You're alluding to long pig, presumably? -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
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- Original Message > From: Uri Guttman > > SC> It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the > SC> Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats > SC> that they can't eat any more. > > too bad, the real answer is more mundane. spam was invented (if you can > use that word) for the US army in ww2 and was the c (or k?) ration - > meat in a can. it was of course ubiqitous in hawaii during the war as > there was a massive military presence there. That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers. Due to grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley. It results in a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed to forget that beer can actually taste good. Heck, I learned to *like* Diet Coke after drinking enough of it. I have no taste, either. This is the gustatorial equivalent to "if you lie often enough, people will start to believe it" (the *real* Fox News motto).. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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> "SC" == Simon Cozens writes: SC> On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote: >>> Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is "yes". >>> http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168 >>> That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course. >>> >> >> The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. SC> It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the SC> Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats SC> that they can't eat any more. too bad, the real answer is more mundane. spam was invented (if you can use that word) for the US army in ww2 and was the c (or k?) ration - meat in a can. it was of course ubiqitous in hawaii during the war as there was a massive military presence there. it became a cheap source of meat for the locals as well as the military. so spam became an accepted and now popular part of the food culture there. this is also true for other asian islands and countries (at least according to wikipedia). and for you brits, spam was about the only non-rationed meat during the war so you have likely some dna in you created from spam molecules your ancestors ate! the monty python spam song was based on the mass of spam eaten in the war and offered on menus. uri
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On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote: >> Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is "yes". >> http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168 >> That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course. >> > > The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats that they can't eat any more. S
