Re: [Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position]

2010-02-13 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
 PE == Peter Edwards pe...@dragonstaff.co.uk writes:

  PE I do hope anyone considering the online gambling gig has read:
  PE 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers#Arrest_during_US_transit_flight

  PE Welcome to the Land of the Free. Unless you provide on-line
  PE gambling to US Netizens :-]

 i didn't want to get into this but i do like to get facts straight. the
 scandal that article refers to is for betonsports.com and this company
 is betonmarkets.com. i googled and found nothing mentioning both
 sites. here is a comment from the ceo of betonmarkets:

        There is no link whatsoever between the companies. Betonsports
        was a massive company (over 3000 staff as I seem to remember)
        and had offices everywhere, so I'm not surprised they also had
        offices in Malaysia.  They were known to be a dodgey company,
        openly flouting US law.

It is not surprising me in the lightest that beton sports is dodgey.


-- 
Zbigniew Lukasiak
http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/



Re: Van Gogh at the RA

2010-02-13 Thread Dermot
On 12 February 2010 21:31, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
 There's a Van Gogh exhibition on at the Royal Academy.  It is ostensibly
 an exhibition of his life viewed through his letters, but the letters
 part of it isn't very interesting - there's only so much you can take of
 dense illegible hand-writing in funny forn languages.  So I ignored that
 aspect of it.  There's some damned fine work hanging on the walls though
 that is well worth seeing, including some of his less well known earlier
 works.

 Finishes on the 18th of April.

And it's practically sold out (on-line at least).



Re: Van Gogh at the RA

2010-02-13 Thread David Cantrell
Dermot wrote:
 On 12 February 2010 21:31, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
 There's a Van Gogh exhibition on at the Royal Academy...
 Finishes on the 18th of April.
 And it's practically sold out (on-line at least).

Bet you'll have no problems at all if you just turn up mid-week.

I'll probably be going again, and can take someone along for free.  If I
remember, I'll post here again before I go.

-- 
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
 (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
 endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary  -- H. L. Mencken


Re: [Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position]

2010-02-13 Thread David Cantrell
Uri Guttman wrote:
 PE == Peter Edwards pe...@dragonstaff.co.uk writes:
 
   PE I do hope anyone considering the online gambling gig has read:
   PE 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers#Arrest_during_US_transit_flight
 
   PE Welcome to the Land of the Free. Unless you provide on-line
   PE gambling to US Netizens :-]
 
 i didn't want to get into this but i do like to get facts straight. the
 scandal that article refers to is for betonsports.com and this company
 is betonmarkets.com.

The company name is irrelevant.  It's the stupid laws that matter.

-- 
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation


Re: 2 depend or not 2 depend

2010-02-13 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:01:24AM +, Bruce Richardson wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 11:39:00PM -0500, Matt Sergeant wrote:
  Nicholas Clark wrote:
  It does if you have a second machine to test on.
  It doesn't if you have a shared development server, and the installed 
  packages
  are common to all developers.
 
  Then the owners of those boxes need to learn about xen. And fast.
 
 Xen isn't necessarily the answer to that problem.  There are pros and
 cons to a shared development server but the constraints which might
 force a company to use one may well also make Xen impractical; if you
 have limited resources, Xen is often not the most efficient use of them.
 
 A build system with good dependency management, on the other hand, will
 work on a shared build server, the developers own laptop and the sacred
 place where the official production builds are done.

Also, having your dependencies coming directly from version control, rather
than via installed packages gives you a couple of advantages

1: It's possible to have more than one checkout of the dependencies at the
   same time, and trivially swap between them

2: It's easy to bisect problems caused by bugs somewhere in the dependencies,
   by using the version control system to binary search revisions in your
   dependencies, without needing to go to the complexity of using the package
   manager at each test point to re-re-re-re-install all the packages.

At work we're deploying to exactly one architecture and OS, which allows us
to actually check in an installed tree /usr/local-a-like into subversion.
This might seem crazy, but it means that we don't have to use developer time
figuring out how to convert arbitrary CPAN modules into well behaved packages
for the OS packaging system. Instead we directly use the CPAN shell to install
to our tree, then commit the differences.

This system likely *wouldn't* scale if we needed even a second architecture.

Nicholas Clark


Re: 2 depend or not 2 depend

2010-02-13 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen

On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:30, Nicholas Clark wrote:

[Checking binaries into VCS]
 This system likely *wouldn't* scale if we needed even a second architecture.


We have a git submodule for cpan/.  We primarily deploy and develop on x86_64 
linux, but we also keep the darwin/OS X arch updated so we can run things on 
our laptops.

Graham made http://github.com/abh/combust/raw/master/bin/diff_cpan_arch to 
easily show which .pm's are out-of-date.

~10 years ago at ValueClick we had Linux and FreeBSD binaries of everything 
(perl, apache, ...) checked into perforce to accomplish the same thing.

Anyway; I agree that it's much nicer than trying to use .rpm/.deb/... 
dependencies in your application.


 - ask




Re: Van Gogh at the RA

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Mynott
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 09:31:40PM +, David Cantrell typed:

 There's a Van Gogh exhibition on at the Royal Academy.  It is ostensibly
 an exhibition of his life viewed through his letters, but the letters 
 part of it isn't very interesting - there's only so much you can take of
 dense illegible hand-writing in funny forn languages.  So I ignored that
 aspect of it.  There's some damned fine work hanging on the walls though
 that is well worth seeing, including some of his less well known earlier
 works.

There were some sketches included in some of the letters which were
interesting.

-- 
Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com