On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:09:00 -0500, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com
wrote:
where did you get that figure? given the standard rate of 20% (and i
know since i recruit) or even less, that would mean a salary of over
250k which is ridiculous but for a handful of perl hackers i know about
(merlyn!).
CTH. Your figure is in the ballpark for the contract portion.
i don't have a deal with NaP so i can't say anything about this
blowup. but i wouldn't ever keep someone from taking the bird in the
hand. it is unprofessional and #^#^@ed up.
What would you have done (other than manage your client appropriately)?
See below for an expanded timeline for the last week of the process...
At least here in the US, bypassing recruiters is the much preferred
method. I don't know why they're still so heavily relied on in the
UK.
preferred by some but not all. again, depends on the agent.
I suspect that is because it adds about 30% to the cost of hiring
someone; however, if you can't attract people
it is usually less cost than that. no one pays 30% or charges it. and if
I know its a bit high. Even at 20%, it is still a tidy commission. And
they
may have lowered it to get me in (I have seen that before) knowing that
I had contacts and would recommend people to fill out the rest of the
vacancies.
30% is your figure then the 54k commission above means a $180k salary
which is still on the high side. and using an agency can mean more work
I have not a worked a Perm position in a long time. I asked up-front for
salary range and was told that they were, truly flexible to find the
right
candidate, and after giving my contract rate she informed me that they
had
budged $150K, but again that there was flexibility for the right
candidate.
The whole interview dance was done as a contract. At the end,
I was told that I was, The one NaP wanted to lead their US team.
Then came the call: Before NAP can sign off they would like to know what
you want as a final salary for the hire.
I took a off a % 20 30 from the contract rate, and came up with $180K.
This looked reasonable because I'd like to be able to offer good Sr.
programmers $150K to be competitive in this market. I also said that I
was
willing to take the $150K, but $180 was my happy point (based on having
to relocate, the cost of housing, c).
Tuesday: Final interview at NaP in Mahwah, NJ.
Wednesday: Current contract ends.
Thursday: NAP needs one more signature because of cost.
Friday: The person at NaP is out sick, will be back Monday. I clarified
that
I was about loose out on another offer. Call Scheduled with NAP
for
11 EST Monday.
Monday: There are actually two people that need to sign off but they
want
to get everyone in a room tomorrow at 11:30 EST. NaP asks that
you
hold off one more day. Call at 12:30 EST Tuesday.
Tuesday: Hi, pffefh, um, a, yeah, a. I don't quite know what to say, ah,
um.
NaP wants to know if you would agree to be flexible to $120K for
for the final salary for sign off, but they are willing to
discuss it again at the end of the contract period.
Later in the day:
My apologies for the delay, I'm home dealing with a sick child. I just
caught up with Matt and Net-a-porte has decided not to build a team here
in the US. Apparently it's half the cost for them to build a team in the
UK vs. here in the US. I'm so sorry Rudolf. I hope you're able to
resurrect the offer from last week...
Wednesday: Emailed NAP and Eliassen regarding my understanding of how
things fell out.
Yesterday: I saw the post to the Perl Jobs mailing list from NaP and
Elliassen called to confirm my understanding. Emailed
jobs-discuss and followed that up with the OP.
-r
