On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:09:00 -0500, Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> wrote:
> where did you get that figure? given the standard rate of 20% (and i > know since i recruit) or even less, that would mean a salary of over > 250k which is ridiculous but for a handful of perl hackers i know about > (merlyn!). CTH. Your figure is in the ballpark for the contract portion. > > i don't have a deal with NaP so i can't say anything about this > blowup. but i wouldn't ever keep someone from taking the bird in the > hand. it is unprofessional and #^#^@&ed up. > What would you have done (other than manage your client appropriately)? See below for an expanded timeline for the last week of the process... >> > At least here in the US, bypassing recruiters is the much preferred >> > method. I don't know why they're still so heavily relied on in the >> > UK. > > preferred by some but not all. again, depends on the agent. > >> I suspect that is because it adds about 30% to the cost of hiring >> someone; however, if you can't attract people.... > > it is usually less cost than that. no one pays 30% or charges it. and if I know its a bit high. Even at 20%, it is still a tidy commission. And they may have lowered it to get me in (I have seen that before) knowing that I had contacts and would recommend people to fill out the rest of the vacancies. > 30% is your figure then the 54k commission above means a $180k salary > which is still on the high side. and using an agency can mean more work I have not a worked a "Perm" position in a long time. I asked up-front for salary range and was told that they were, "truly flexible to find the right candidate", and after giving my contract rate she informed me that they had budged $150K, but again that there was flexibility for the right candidate. The whole interview dance was done as a contract. At the end, I was told that I was, "The one NaP wanted to lead their US team". Then came the call: Before NAP can sign off they would like to know what you want as a final salary for the hire. I took a off a % > 20 < 30 from the contract rate, and came up with $180K. This looked reasonable because I'd like to be able to offer good Sr. programmers $150K to be competitive in this market. I also said that I was willing to take the $150K, but $180 was my happy point (based on having to relocate, the cost of housing, &c). Tuesday: Final interview at NaP in Mahwah, NJ. Wednesday: Current contract ends. Thursday: NAP needs one more signature because of cost. Friday: The person at NaP is out sick, will be back Monday. I clarified that I was about loose out on another offer. Call Scheduled with NAP for 11 EST Monday. Monday: There are actually two people that need to sign off but they want to get everyone in a room tomorrow at 11:30 EST. NaP asks that you hold off one more day. Call at 12:30 EST Tuesday". Tuesday: Hi, pffefh, um, a, yeah, a. I don't quite know what to say, ah, um. NaP wants to know if you would agree to be flexible to $120K for for the final salary for sign off, but they are willing to discuss it again at the end of the contract period. Later in the day: "My apologies for the delay, I'm home dealing with a sick child. I just caught up with Matt and Net-a-porte has decided not to build a team here in the US. Apparently it's half the cost for them to build a team in the UK vs. here in the US. I'm so sorry Rudolf. I hope you're able to resurrect the offer from last week..." Wednesday: Emailed NAP and Eliassen regarding my understanding of how things fell out. Yesterday: I saw the post to the Perl Jobs mailing list from NaP and Elliassen called to confirm my understanding. Emailed jobs-discuss and followed that up with the OP. -r