The 2015 CPAN pull request challenge
The CPAN is widely regarded as one of Perl's best assets, and it needs maintenance to help keep it wonderful. Neil Bowers has set up a challenge to encourage people to contribute updates to CPAN modules: http://neilb.org/2014/11/29/pr-challenge-2015.html This looks like a good thing to work on during our hackday on 17th January so I'll add it to the wiki and the meetup page. There is an associated irc channel on irc.perl.org called #pr-challenge.
[ANNOUNCE] London PM January News
I hope everyone is having a relaxing and enjoyable holiday time. Instead of a New Year card, you're all getting a newsletter this year. Hurray! January Socials The next social is on 8th January at the Melton Mowbray, 18 Holborn EC1N 2LE . Chancery Lane (Central line) is the nearest tube. Why not start the new year with a pint or two of your favourite beverage with us! You could also attend the Heretics social on the 15th at the King's Arms Waterloo SE1 8TB. London Perl Hackday Following our hackday in September, I've booked another one for 17th January at the London Hackspace. Hackdays are when we get together to work on pet projects, brush up on skills, discuss tools and techniques and generally (I hope) have a bit of technical fun. Please see this meetup page for more details and to RSVP: http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/219443728/ London PM Mailing Lists and Server The London PM server, generously donated by Exonetric Hosting ( http://www.exonetric.com/), run by longtime LPM members Mark Blackman and Marcus Lauder, needs to be migrated to a nice new one (which we already have). The holdup has been where to put our mailing lists, for Reasons. We are getting ready to migrate them to a Perl mailing list service developed and run by Sympa, and if not, then the Perl Mongers organisation will handle this for us. I am hoping to get this done in the next few weeks. Note: if you have any files on windmill.london.pm.org that you want to keep, you should remove them ASAP. Once the lists are moved then we will be cutting over to the new server whenever we think it's ready. London PM Needs You! Would you like to help us with social meetings? Do you have any other ideas for events? Please speak up. From February onwards we needs hosts!
Re: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
The people working on Perl 6 are getting to a point where they may release a 1.0 version in 2015. Larry Wall is going to talk about it at FOSDEM in 2015 (that's just a month away). Steve jocularly provided a link to his RSS aggregator site for Perl 6 news, because this is also modern perl, and it's fairly topical. This is a thread but there is no reason that every single message in it needs to be 100% directly related to the original posting. OK? On 22 December 2014 at 11:46, Richard Foley richard.fo...@rfi.net wrote: What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when related to the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please explain, using short words perhaps? -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +, Martin A. Brooks wrote: From: Andrew Solomon and...@geekuni.com To: london pm london.pm@london.pm.org Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an online game powered by Dancer2. You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use your services.
Re: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
I swear I'm going to stop using gmail. Sorry Richard. I thought you'd read the entire thread, because I often fail to click the tiny ... that shows me the correct amount of context. :-) On 22 December 2014 at 12:19, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: The people working on Perl 6 are getting to a point where they may release a 1.0 version in 2015. Larry Wall is going to talk about it at FOSDEM in 2015 (that's just a month away). Steve jocularly provided a link to his RSS aggregator site for Perl 6 news, because this is also modern perl, and it's fairly topical. This is a thread but there is no reason that every single message in it needs to be 100% directly related to the original posting. OK? On 22 December 2014 at 11:46, Richard Foley richard.fo...@rfi.net wrote: What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when related to the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please explain, using short words perhaps? -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +, Martin A. Brooks wrote: From: Andrew Solomon and...@geekuni.com To: london pm london.pm@london.pm.org Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an online game powered by Dancer2. You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use your services.
Re: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
On 21 December 2014 at 16:36, Martin A. Brooks mar...@antibodymx.net wrote: From: Andrew Solomon and...@geekuni.com To: london pm london.pm@london.pm.org Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an online game powered by Dancer2. You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use your services. This sort of posting is likely to start a Kerfuffle, if not an actual Flame War, therefore I wish you hadn't done it. It costs nothing to be civil. Also, you most certainly do not speak for everyone on this list. We can't even agree on which editor to use, never mind anything else. :-)
Re: metacpan
On 15 December 2014 at 00:50, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: What has happened to: http://search.metacpan.org/ ? I think the most straightforward guess is that the nginx configuration for that convenience has probably just temporarily disappeared. I didn't know it existed, and have always just used http://metacpan.org. For a long time I used to use a similar convenience redirect for BBC news that came about when they rearchitected the site and changed their TLD years ago*. I stopped using it because sometimes it disappeared (and for much the same reason, no doubt). *news.bbc.co.uk - www.bbc.co.uk/news
Re: in town 28-30 nov - emergency meetup?
I think it's fine. Go for it. On 26 Nov 2014 14:55, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: Does this still seem like the best spot? Approach Tavern http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1310/Approach_Tavern/Bethnal_Green If so, I'll announce it on today's FLOSS Weekly as well. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig
[ANNOUNCE] Emergency Social this Saturday 7pm with Randal Schwartz
Hi all, Randal Schwartz is going to be in London this weekend so we are going to have a social this Saturday evening 29th November at 7pm at The Approach Tavern 47 Approach Road Bethnal Green E2 9LY http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1310/Approach_Tavern/Bethnal_Green Looking forward to seeing you there! -sue
Re: in town 28-30 nov - emergency meetup?
On 21 November 2014 00:29, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: Schmoo == Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com writes: 8 Patriot Square, Bethnal Green London E2 9NF Schmoo Approach Tavern Schmoo ( http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1310/Approach_Tavern/Bethnal_Green ), Schmoo if you're hanging around in Bethnal Green. Why don't any of the reviews of these places talk about wifi? Ugh. But yeah, the Approach looks fine. I'm now up for either... I'll leave it to the locals to select. You are going to be very near the London Hackspace, which has fantastic wifi and welcomes guests. The LHS favoured pub is the Sebright Arms on Hackney Road. As I work in the area I'll have a look at the current condition of the pubs already mentioned. Then I will schedule something, if nobody else beats me to it.
Fwd: Interactive graphics
From: Roger Bell_West ro...@firedrake.org To: london.pm-annou...@london.pm.org Cc: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:03:08 + Subject: Interactive graphics What are the cool kids using for interactive graphical stuff these days (not just dialogues, but changing graphics), assuming the underlying language is still Perl? I used to use Perl/Tk. Perl/Gtk? Something that runs in a web browser? Or something else? R
Re: windmill blades turning?
Hurrah - less than 10 minutes this time. On 15 October 2014 19:52, Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 October 2014 15:09, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:44:54AM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: This message took an hour to arrive, as opposed to 3-4 hours. So some progress has been made. I approve of this tilting at windmills, and would welcome the opportunity to buy Steve appropriate beer* once he considers the job done. Nicholas Clark * or malt, or whatever. Although I hope that it's malt by choice, not by desperation. Single Malt not Malt beer! -- 4096R/EA75174B Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com
Re: windmill blades turning?
This message took an hour to arrive, as opposed to 3-4 hours. So some progress has been made. On 13 October 2014 21:04, Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com wrote: or not? -- 4096R/EA75174B Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder for Thursday 2nd October !!
That's great news. Not to bring the mood down, but please drink to my poor old cat, who is a good old guy but may be about to ride off to Cat Valhalla. On 2 October 2014 10:34, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 02:54:51PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: I do. I suspect Tom is still on holiday so he might not make it either. I'm back and will remember to bring the toy camel with me to make us easier to recognise for newcomers. As I'm feeling rested after my holiday, I'll make an extra effort to talk to everyone and introduce the regulars to our less frequent attendees. I look forward to seeing you all later today, Tom
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder for Thursday 2nd October !!
Hi Rick, I probably won't be able to come this month as I'm pretty busy with work and moving. Thanks for organising and sponsoring the social, I only hope everyone who attends appreciates that as much as Tom and I do. I suspect Tom is still on holiday so he might not make it either. -sue On 29 September 2014 11:36, Rick Deller r...@eligo.co.uk wrote: Hi All, Hope everyone had great weekends! Just a quick a reminder that London PM Social is on Thursday at Penderel’s Oak 283-288 High Holborn WC1V 7HP tables are booked from 6.30pm (We are in the upstairs bit) There will be some money behind the bar for drink ! Look forward to seeing you there Rick
Re: CGI::Application and recent bash security hole
Is your system shell bash? Does your application have any code which shells out to that (system(), ``, qx() etc)? If so, then probably yes. On 25 September 2014 14:52, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote: I built a site several years ago with CGI::Application which runs in cgi, not psgi mode. Is it likely to be vulnerable to the recent bash security hole which I understand revolves around setting ENV variables? gvim
Re: Hackday Wiki
First sight of the wiki we will put on the new london.pm.org! Hackday participants are encouraged to document what they do here. On 19 September 2014 22:58, Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com wrote: http://pl6anet.org/hackday/ -- 4096R/EA75174B Steve Mynott steve.myn...@gmail.com
Perl hackday tomorrow
Tomorrow is our first Perl hackday and I'm looking forward to seeing some of you there. Check the meetup page for more information: http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/194285872/ including some hacking ideas. I should be able to let people in starting around 11:30 in the morning. You can phone me on 07719 792 723 if you have any questions, need help getting in or even finding the place. :-) Don't forget to bring your laptop. If you are looking for hacking ideas I'm sure we can help you out. I'll send out a separate message on that topic. We're meeting at the London Hackspace. Come to the front door as the shutter should be up and ring the doorbell. If you arrive by bicycle go around to the back and ring the doorbell and someone will open the back gate for you. There are cycle racks near the back door. Directions to London Hackspace 447 Hackney Road London E2 9DY The nearest stations are - Cambridge Heath (BR) which is just 2 stops from Liverpool Street - Bethnal Green tube (Central line) - Hoxton overground Buses: 26, 48, 55 stop right outside
Re: Perl hackday tomorrow
Kake has pointed out that Hoxton overground station will be closed tomorrow due to engineering works, so please don't plan to come via that route. On 19 September 2014 14:03, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow is our first Perl hackday and I'm looking forward to seeing some of you there. Check the meetup page for more information: http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/194285872/ including some hacking ideas. I should be able to let people in starting around 11:30 in the morning. You can phone me on 07719 792 723 if you have any questions, need help getting in or even finding the place. :-) Don't forget to bring your laptop. If you are looking for hacking ideas I'm sure we can help you out. I'll send out a separate message on that topic. We're meeting at the London Hackspace. Come to the front door as the shutter should be up and ring the doorbell. If you arrive by bicycle go around to the back and ring the doorbell and someone will open the back gate for you. There are cycle racks near the back door. Directions to London Hackspace 447 Hackney Road London E2 9DY The nearest stations are - Cambridge Heath (BR) which is just 2 stops from Liverpool Street - Bethnal Green tube (Central line) - Hoxton overground Buses: 26, 48, 55 stop right outside
London PM Hack Day Tomorrow - Perl 5 suggestions
Here is the official Perl5 todo list: http://perl5.git.perl.org/perl.git/blob/HEAD:/Porting/todo.pod You could also: - compile Perl5 blead and install modules - look on CPAN for modules that have test failures on blead, then work on fixes - learn to use perlbrew, cpanm, and other parts of the modern Perl toolchain - play with the code for dipsy, the #london.pm resident bot - work on a meetup style system for scheduling club meetings Feel free to follow up with other hacking topics. -sue
Re: Open/Free BSD users -- help needed to fix Test::PostgreSQL
On 11 August 2014 03:56, Toby Wintermute t...@wintrmute.net wrote: Hi, I took over Test::PostgreSQL a while back. I still get a lot of test failures from OpenBSD and FreeBSD users on CPANTS, and I think it's simply down to the postgres binaries being installed in different locations. If you run either of those systems, would you be able to tell me the path to the executables? On most Linux distros, they are in /usr/lib/postgresql/$VERSION/bin I wouldn't have asked London PM this question, mainly because it just wouldn't have occurred to me to do so*. Luckily you got the answer you wanted fairly quickly, despite the noise. London PM, still providing value after 16 years. :-) *My way of answering that question would have wasted a massive amount of time, because although web searches would have told me the answer, I wouldn't stop there. No, I would have thoroughly shaved this yak by installing one (or more) BSDs in VMs, installing PG, then testing the proposed changes in them. If my attention span had held out long enough.
[ANNOUNCE] London PM Leadership Change
Hello everyone, After two years of stellar service to the London Perl Mongers, Tom Hukins will be taking a break and has asked me to take over the reins for awhile. I am happy to oblige, and thank Tom and his predecessors for the work they've done for LPM over the years. I hope the organisation will continue to evolve in new ways over the coming months. I've been happy to see that social and technical meetings seem to attract a few new people every month. We have a couple more technical events in the works for the rest of the year and I'm interested in offers to arrange more of these, as well as social outings. Speaking of socials, last night's meeting featured 2 women and 0 Daves. This is an utter Dave failure and I am disappointed in you all. The pub was really good however, thanks to Michael Jemmeson for organising it for us. -sue
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London PM Leadership Change
On 8 August 2014 15:25, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2014 14:55, Sue Spence wrote: Hello everyone, After two years of stellar service to the London Perl Mongers, Tom Hukins will be taking a break and has asked me to take over the reins for awhile. I am happy to oblige, and thank Tom and his predecessors for the work they've done for LPM over the years. The leader is dead, long live the leader ;) He's not dead, he's resting. Congrats on taking stewardship. Speaking of Daves vs Women what is the ratio for leadership/Reins holding? Thank you. I didn't quite follow the last sentence, though. Daves and Women are fairly well understood collections of individuals with no observed overlap (so far). The other two terms are generally understood to be roughly equivalent. :-)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm August Social - Thurs 7th August - The Old Fountain, EC1V 9NU
On 31 July 2014 16:07, Michael Jemmeson michael.jemme...@gmail.com wrote: The Old Fountain 3 Baldwin Street EC1V 9NU The August social is a week today. Space has been reserved downstairs from 6:30pm at this pub near Old Street tube. It usually has a fine selection of ales, plus serves some food and good pub snacks until 9pm http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Old_Fountain,_EC1V_9NU http://www.oldfountain.co.uk This is tonight! Hope to see you there.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Hack Day, Saturday 20th September 2014
On 25 July 2014 17:59, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: On 25 July 2014 18:22, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: We invite anyone who would like to work on anything Perl-related to attend. Everyone from complete Perl beginners to experts is welcome. How do you define Perl-related? Perl itself? Perl modules? Apps in Perl? Apps partly in Perl? Apps in Ruby (essentially another Perl dialect)? We don't have to define it because it's blindingly obvious. Hopefully the answer is we don't, it's up to the attendees to define what it means for each of them. sigh
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall
In my experience you can't put the traffic and parking aside, because it's pretty difficult to drive in central London. Be sure to pay the congestion charge if you manage to get near the venue before 6pm! On 23 July 2014 09:09, Vytautas D vyt...@gmail.com wrote: All the trafficparking aside, there are quite a few of us coming from southampton.pm, hence it's much cheaper option.. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Vytas, There is a car park at Bloomsbury Square for £££, but I would not recommend driving to this event. -sue On 22 July 2014 22:19, Vytautas D vyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby? Thanks, Vytas On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that I can get them ready on a usb stick. I'll set up one laptop with the projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around trying to switch from one computer to another. After the meeting I suggest that we head over to The Enterprise for post-meet socialising: The Enterprise 38 Red Lion Street WC1R 4PN On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL. The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines). The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00. http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/ Hope to see you there. -sue
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall
Hi Vytas, There is a car park at Bloomsbury Square for £££, but I would not recommend driving to this event. -sue On 22 July 2014 22:19, Vytautas D vyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby? Thanks, Vytas On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that I can get them ready on a usb stick. I'll set up one laptop with the projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around trying to switch from one computer to another. After the meeting I suggest that we head over to The Enterprise for post-meet socialising: The Enterprise 38 Red Lion Street WC1R 4PN On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL. The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines). The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00. http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/ Hope to see you there. -sue
[ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall
Hi all, Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL. The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines). The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00. http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/ Hope to see you there. -sue
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall
Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that I can get them ready on a usb stick. I'll set up one laptop with the projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around trying to switch from one computer to another. After the meeting I suggest that we head over to The Enterprise for post-meet socialising: The Enterprise 38 Red Lion Street WC1R 4PN On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL. The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines). The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00. http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/ Hope to see you there. -sue
Re: Westfield (W12) Lunch - SPAM
I opened this message expecting to see spam, and there wasn't any. UNFAIR. On 17 July 2014 11:49, Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have picked Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:00 PM (Time zone: London) for the London Perl Mongers Friends Lunch. poll Follow this link to open the poll: http://doodle.com/yfwyingzkce7rbe6 Hope to see people there :) Kind regards, Gaz On 8 July 2014 21:18, Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Summary: Food, Westfield W12, 1200-1300 16th, 17th, 23rd, 24th, 30th, and/or 31st of July I've recently discovered that NAP have moved into Network House in W12. W12 happens to also be the workplace location of myself and a select few colleagues who may be known to a number of people on this list. To celebrate the continued existence of this universe, which hath wrought Perl, I thought it might be nice to have a little shared lunch. Westfield has a varied food-court, which should have enough space for our needs with no prior booking. Not sure if SPAM is available cooked, however. To that end, this thing lists 6 days in the near future, for the purpose of coordination: http://doodle.com/yfwyingzkce7rbe6 I recommend assuming that the most filled in day is the consensus, and I intend to show up on that particular day for about 2 hours. If there is no apparent consensus, I, and others, generally loiter around Westfield between 1200 and 1300 on most weekdays anyway. This is also why I've configured this scheduling service to offer 1200 as a time to meet. So, yeah... Come one, come all, come none if that's how you feel :) I hope to see you, personally, whoever you are, on one of the days. And apologies for the spam, everyone else. Kind regards, schmooster
Preannouncement: Upcoming Perl Hackday
Hi everyone, Based on conversations with various people, I thought it might be a good idea to schedule an event in which people interested in Perl programming could get together with our laptops and maybe even write some code. I have a venue and a date and time, so now what we need are some willing attendees with ideas. The classroom has tables, chairs, a couple of whiteboards, and there is a data projector as well. In addition, there are usually snacks for sale as well as soft drinks and beer. Sometimes there are kegs with hackspace-brewed ale available too. Date: 20 September 2014 Time: Noon - 5pm Where: London Hackspace classroom, 447 Hackney Rd E2 9DY http://hack.rs Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/194285872/ Hacking suggestions welcome. I'll add them to the meetup description and subsequent announcements.
July Tech Meet Update
Hi all, I have 4 talk proposals now, thank you to everyone who has kindly agreed to give us a presentation. Here is the list we have so far: - Thomas Klausner (domm) from Vienna.pm is going to talk about OX AngularJS - Alex Balhatchet is going to talk about his rewrite of Ovid's Test::Kit module - Mike Francis will tell us about creating a RESTful database frontend with Web::Simple Web::Machine and how annoying that was - Dave Cross will natter about Github, Travis-CI and Perl I would like to encourage everyone else to think about giving a short talk. It would be nice to have a few 'lightning talk' style interludes in the programme so we can give our branes a rest in between the longer talks. These definitely don't need slides, just feel free to regale us with a tiny tale of your Perl derring-do. I'd also like to have a few backup talks just in case one of the other speakers can't make it. Thanks, -sue
Re: Next Technical Meeting: 24th July @ Conway Hall
Hi Chris, Signup will not be a requirement to this tech meet, though it helps us get an idea of numbers. I will be using the London PM Meetup group that Leon Brocard set up to announce technical meetings, as well as messages to the announce list. I didn't even know it was on lanyrd, I'm guessing that one of our members has kindly put it there already. Cool! Thanks, -sue On 27 June 2014 14:35, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote London Perl Mongers will hold its next technical meeting in the Brockway room at Conway Hall on Thursday 24th July, doors opening at 18:30 for a 19:00 start. Is there a website for signing up to this? If I search on google for London Perl Mongers, the likely suspects seem to be things like: http://london.pm.org http://londonpmtech.appspot.com http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers but none of them have it listed. I can find it on the Conway Hall website: http://lanyrd.com/2014/london-perl-mongers-technical-meeting but I'm guessing that's not the official location for sign up. Cheers Chris
Re: Interview - a Dancer in London:)
On 25 June 2014 23:41, Andrew Beverley a...@andybev.com wrote: Ah, peer pressure ;-) Hmmm. Anybody interested in either of these? 1. 5 things I wish I'd known as a Perl beginner. I think this one would make a good first talk at our next tech meet. It could be very low stress with a minimum of preparation time. 5 slides, a bit of chat about each one, and optionally interacting with the rabble a bit on each point. :-) 2. From user requirement to open source project: the birth of a CPAN module.
[ANNOUNCE] Next Technical Meeting: 24th July @ Conway Hall
Hi everyone, London Perl Mongers will hold its next technical meeting in the Brockway room at Conway Hall on Thursday 24th July, doors opening at 18:30 for a 19:00 start. Please submit talk proposals to me (off-list), any length from 5 - 30 minutes will be cheerfully considered. Topic suggestions: - Today I Learned (something new to you about Perl or a technology built with Perl) - Technical Debt Reduction (war stories from your work experience, especially with a happy ending) - Personal projects in which you used Perl in some way - Perl 6 and/or its triumvirate of supported virtual machine back ends (Parrot, Moar, JVM) ... or indeed anything else Perl-related that you're passionate about. I would like to thank Rick Deller / Eligo Recruitment for generously sponsoring us. Cheers, -sue
Re: Interview - a Dancer in London:)
On 25 June 2014 16:45, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: On 25 June 2014 16:21, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: It's INTERESTING to hear Perl experts talk about the advanced details of how Perl works, but it's dull TO ONLY hear about this. My experience of Perl events is that while these talks can often be dry, dull and [...] Tom definitely didn't say that any talks were dull. I applaud any initiative to widen the scope and appeal of these sessions Thank you. That's what we are hoping to accomplish, though not because we think that previous tech meetings have been deficient. These events are put on by volunteers and even attendees give up their own time to come along and participate. I hope we will all get back more than what we put into it, but time will tell.
YAPC::NA 2014 talk streams
For those who might not know, YAPC::NA 2014 in Orlando had its first day yesterday, and they are live streaming all of the talks via YouTube. All of the talks are here: https://www.youtube.com/user/yapcna The quality is very good and the streaming works very well. I watched several live talks via chromecast on my TV and was very impressed. Enjoy.
Call for talks: upcoming technical meeting
Hi all, We are hoping to be able to hold a technical meeting fairly soon, the details are still being ironed out. Do we have any speakers out there who would like to share what they are doing with Perl? There are a lot of things we'd like to hear about, such as: - Today I Learned (something new to you about Perl or a technology built with Perl) - Technical Debt Reduction (war stories from your work experience, especially with a happy ending) - Personal projects for which you used Perl in some way - Perl 6 and/or its triumvirate of supported virtual machine back ends (Parrot, Moar, JVM) ... or indeed anything else that you think we might want to hear about. This would be an excellent practice session for YAPC::EU 2014, for anyone planning to give a talk there. New speakers are also especially encouraged to come forward with a talk idea, as we are going to a wonderfully supportive audience (OR ELSE!) :-) If you have any questions or want to discuss a talk proposal please contact me directly via email (mailto:virtually...@gmail.com) or DM on irc. Thanks, -sue
Re: Call for talks: upcoming technical meeting
Hi domm,
Great to hear from you. Thank you very much for your offer, your talks
sounds very interesting and I'm going to try to get the date to be during
your visit if possible. Our sponsor is being a little cagey about the
dates but I'll let you know.
Cheers,
-sue
On 24 June 2014 14:16, Thomas Klausner d...@cpan.org wrote:
Hi!
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:53:48PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
We are hoping to be able to hold a technical meeting fairly soon, the
details are still being ironed out. Do we have any speakers out there
who
would like to share what they are doing with Perl? There are a lot of
I'm in London from 23th July to 4th August, so if the techmeet happens
then I could give a talk on OX and AngularJS (which I'll also do at
YAPC::Europe)
http://domm.plix.at/talks/ox_angular.html
If you're planning the techmeet for an earlier date, I'd still like to
meet London.pm at a social meeting (don't care if regular, heretic or
emergency :-)
Greetings,
domm
--
#!/usr/bin/perl http://domm.plix.at
for(ref bless{},just'another'perl'hacker){s-:+-$-gprint$_.$/}
Re: Evaluating user-defined conditions
On 10 June 2014 10:35, Andrew Beverley a...@andybev.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 10:05 +0100, James Laver wrote: I was sort of hoping that the not too subtle hints that using eval is a bad idea would pay off. Apparently not. D'oh, I thought someone might say that... But it's so easy ;-) Got the message, will play with a parser Props for getting through this discussion without getting visibly annoyed.
London PM June Social: 5th June Pembury Tavern E8 1JH
The June social is going to be in Hackney. I love this pub. It has loads of real ale and delicious food, free broadband and board games. It also takes payment in bitcoin, if you're into that. Pembury Tavern 90 Amhurst Rd E8 1JH http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Pembury_Tavern,_E8_1JH http://www.fancyapint.com/pub/3048 The nearest stations are Hackney Central (Overground) and Hackney Downs (BR). It's about 10 minutes from Liverpool St station and there are about 10 trains per hour that go there (towards Chingford, Cheshunt, Enfield Town). There are also a number of buses that go there, which tfl will tell you about if you ask. I'll be there by 6pm with my new tiny camel. I hope to see you there.
Re: Dim Sum tomorrow Joy King Lau
On 15 May 2014 12:32, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Sue Spence wrote It's been a month or so since the last Thursday dim sum, so I would like to propose meeting up for some dumplings, steamed buns and other tasty treats. FYI: I'm on the digest form of the list and it turned up in my email at Thursday 12:10pm which is a bit late to decide to go. I'm not precisely sure the algorithm the list digest uses to decide when to send things out but I would guess it's something along the lines of which ever is the sooner of - 24 hours after a post is received - more than a certain number of posts are received Aka - maybe send these things out on Tuesday... I couldn't send it out on Tuesday because I hadn't decided to do it until Wednesday. On the bright side, we'll probably do that again and soon.
Dim Sum tomorrow Joy King Lau
It's been a month or so since the last Thursday dim sum, so I would like to propose meeting up for some dumplings, steamed buns and other tasty treats. Where: Joy King Lau 3 Leicester St, London WC2H 7BL Time:12:30 If you plan to attend please contact me in irc or drop me a line. Thanks, sue
[ANNOUNCE] Dim Sum tomorrow Joy King Lau
It's been a month or so since the last Thursday dim sum, so I would like to propose meeting up for some dumplings, steamed buns and other tasty treats. Where: Joy King Lau 3 Leicester St, London WC2H 7BL Time:12:30 If you plan to attend please contact me in irc or drop me a line. Thanks, sue
[ANNOUNCE] London PM Social Tonight @ Shooting Star Liverpool St E1 7JF
London Perl Mongers and Broadbean cordially invite you to enjoy sponsored drinks tonight. Come to The Shooting Star Middlesex St, London E1 7JF, across from Liverpool St station, around the corner from Dirty Dicks from 6pm. Peter Sergeant has reserved some tables and is putting £200 behind the bar for your enjoyment. Hope to see you there.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London PM Social Tonight @ Shooting Star Liverpool St E1 7JF
Sorry about that. I only announced what we'd been told by Pete. I found out tonight that they had gone to some other work related do before coming to the social! On 8 May 2014 18:36, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote: On 8 May 2014, at 11:37, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: London Perl Mongers and Broadbean cordially invite you to enjoy sponsored drinks tonight. [...] The bar staff have no idea who London Perlmongers or Broadbean are, and nobody recognisable is here!
Tomorrow: Dim Sum @ Royal China Westferry
I'd like to invite you all for dim sum at the Royal China tomorrow. When: 12:30 Thursday 10th April Where: Royal China 30 Westferry Circus, London E14 8RR Let's meet outside just before 12:30 and go in together. If you can let me know if you plan to come that will help me adjust the reservation as needed. Hope to see you there! -sue 07719 792 723
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Damian Conway Speaking at London.pm: Monday, 10th March
On 6 March 2014 09:00, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 07:56:28PM +, mascip wrote: I can't make it. Hi, Pierre, that's a shame. I would be grateful if anyone who can't attend frees up their space on meetup: http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/167483972/ This means people on the waiting list can attend instead. Also, if you know anyone on the list who can't make it, please ask them to free up their space. Any chance that our will be filmed? The evening won't be filmed. I hope Tom doesn't mind me adding this. The evening won't be filmed because Damian Conway makes his living in part as a public speaker and he prefers that people come to see him in person.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Damian Conway Speaking at London.pm: Monday, 10th March
On 6 March 2014 12:02, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:09:34AM +, Dominic Humphries wrote: I'd buy DVDs! :) You perhaps underestimate how expensive such DVDs would be. This is not a mass-market BBC Worldwide release selling a million copies at ten quid a pop. Plus, if they did exist more than a few people would immediately upload 'em to youtube to 'help' the community.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Dim Sum, Wednesday 3rd March, Docklands
On 4 Mar 2014 00:59, Paul LeoNerd Evans leon...@leonerd.org.uk wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:45:53 +
Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote:
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Dim Sum, Wednesday 3rd March, Docklands
Shome mishtake shurely?
Perhaps you mean Wednesday 5th?
Why do you ask? You probably didn't believe that he was setting up a
group lunch date in another year. :-) However, now that you've mentioned
it I've looked into the matter using our favourite programming language,
and the next time March 3rd is on a Wednesday won't be until 2021. The
last time it happened was 2010.
use warnings;
use strict;
use DateTime;
for my $year (2005 .. 2025) {
my $dt = DateTime-new(
year = $year,
month = 03,
day = 03,
);
print $year . is a wednesday\n if $dt-day_of_week == 3;
}
Re: London.pm approved drinking venues?
Just tell us where you're going to hold the training and we will be incredibly happy to make recommendations. I believe the list to which you refer went away some time ago during website refurbishment. The pubs we use does tend to change a bit over time, and there are new places which have appeared (or changed in quality) since that list was current. On 4 March 2014 15:21, Kevin Falcone ke...@jibsheet.com wrote: I'm going to be in town running RT training alter this month, and I remember there being a list of 'pubs london.pm uses for events' that was helpful in finding good places to have a drink. I've completely failed to find it on london.pm.org this time around. Am I just being blind or I have I misremembered the resource? Thanks -kevin
Re: London.pm approved drinking venues?
On 4 March 2014 16:24, Kevin Falcone ke...@jibsheet.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:38:54PM +, Sue Spence wrote: Just tell us where you're going to hold the training and we will be incredibly happy to make recommendations. For those who are willing to offer personalized recommendations, I appreciate it :) I'm also going to go through the web archived links. We're holding training in W2 3NR and I'm sleeping in W1J 7BX so, two corners of Hyde Park basically. I recognize that I may be traveling a bit for a decent pint in those neighborhoods. There is lovely beer to be had all over London, so it'll be fine. If you would like, we could arrange an Emergency Social during your visit. If so, feel free to suggest an evening that you will be free and I think one of us will make it happen. An old favourite that I still like near where you'll be is The Star in Belgravia http://www.star-tavern-belgravia.co.uk/
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Dim Sum, Wednesday 3rd March, Docklands
On 4 March 2014 16:43, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' virtually...@gmail.com'); Wrote: my $dt = DateTime-new( year = $year, month = 03, day = 03, ); Why are you using octal numbers here? It's all fun and games till someone writes 09... Oops. There was a somewhat related error in KR C 1st ed (I think), in which a number like 0x89 appeared in the text. I believe it was described in the errata as everyone's favorite mistake :-)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Dim Sum, Wednesday 3rd March, Docklands
On 4 March 2014 17:07, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 March 2014 16:43, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Sue Spence virtually...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' virtually...@gmail.com'); Wrote: my $dt = DateTime-new( year = $year, month = 03, day = 03, ); Why are you using octal numbers here? It's all fun and games till someone writes 09... Oops. There was a somewhat related error in KR C 1st ed (I think), in which a number like 0x89 appeared in the text. I believe it was described in the errata as everyone's favorite mistake :-) Not 0x89. I fail at multiple number bases today...
Re: Web scraping frameworks?
On 4 March 2014 21:33, DAVID HODGKINSON daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Does something exist? https://www.google.com/search?q=perl+web+scraping 3rd hit mentions the cpan module Dave Cross mentioned. If you were to describe what you want to accomplish that might be useful.
Re: tablets for parents
I suspect you're probably right about the 3G/4G, assuming that there is good coverage where they spend their time (really needs to be checked). If they don't have decent 3G at one location maybe they could consider getting cheap DSL installed there. If they don't have good 3G at either place then one fixed line and they only videoconference from there. That's still more often than they do it now. :) The usual device suggestion for people like your parents is obviously Apple, but it would be nice to let them try a few first. Perhaps they would like a 3G Chromebook. These are fairly inexpensive. I had an easy to use ee 4G dongle which cost about £20 per month for an unlimited plan. Just on the off chance that they might prefer a notebook. On 2 March 2014 21:20, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Dear knowledgeable hive mind, It seems that my parents are finally cracking and amenable to the idea of buying a device for the purpose of videoconferencing. My sister and I suspect that the right thing is a tablet connected via 3G (my parents alternate between two locations in southern England, so fixed line would mean 2 fixed lines, and two lots of fixed infrastructure, which feels like a pain) So, what is good to get. Specifically 1) What tablet? (with camera, obviously, 3G, and possibly not much else special) 2) What data plan? You can infer from this that they don't currently have an Internet connection, and I don't think that once they get one they are going to start heavy surfing or high bandwidth activities such as watching videos on YouTube or iPlayer. (They have had the recording the TV thing sussed for a decade or more now, and whilst they have migrated from VHS to hard drives, I don't think that they are going to move from the idea of a box under the TV connected to an aerial, that they program after circling programmes in a paper listings magazine) I don't think that they care what OS, and I don't think that I do hugely either. I just that care it doesn't get abandoned by the manufacturer as soon as the next model comes out*, and it needs to work without assuming that the owner has a PC for any sort of regular service activity. My sister has Macs (and a Blackberry too, I think), but is dealing with Windows at work, so between us I think we can hand-hold most things. Nicholas Clark * So *this* would put me off Windows RT even if it ticked all the other boxes, as I can't see how MS are going to sanely sustain 3 different OSes and ecosystems, and I suspect that RT is more than 33% likely to be the one for the chop. And even if it isn't, well, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 8 - they have a pedigree now of dumping their customers.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Dim Sum, Wednesday 3rd March, Docklands
Hurrah. This is a welcome revival. On 3 Mar 2014 21:47, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: Hi all, London Perl Mongers will meet for lunchtime Dim Sum this Wednesday at the Lotus Floating Chinese Restaurant: http://www.lotusfloating.co.uk/ Dim Sum involves sharing a selection of small dishes amongst a group: http://www.lotusfloating.co.uk/menu/dim_sum_menu.html It's a couple of minutes walk away from South Quay DLR and about a ten minute walk away from Canary Wharf tube: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/169119484#map=17/51.49782/-0.01526 I've never been here before, and when I walked past today it was closed - apparently it's always closed on Mondays - so we'll have to treat this as an explorative adventure into uncertainty. As an extra treat, Nicholas Clark is visiting London and will join us for lunch, hopefully not in dumpling form. Let's meet outside the restaurant and head inside at 12:50 (to beat the 1pm office-leaving rush). If you plan to attend, I'd be grateful if you let me know in advance. All are welcome for a casual lunch eating tasty treats whilst discussing Perl and related matters. I hope to see you for lunch on Wednesday, Tom
Re: smutty british expression?
On 13 Feb 2014 07:02, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: hi all, i am sure the subject got your attention. i read an article about the beatles sense of humor (50th year since they invaded the states is big here). it mentioned a line from penny lane: a four of fish and finger pies the article author said it was a somewhat smutty british expression. any of you smutty brits care to elucidate? A somewhat smutty 50+ year old expression. The odds of it being current now are pretty low, but as with most beatlesy things I'm pretty sure there are 160 different websites which mention it. I wish I could get fish for 4p now.
Re: smutty british expression?
On 13 Feb 2014 09:55, Dominic Thoreau domi...@thoreau-online.net wrote: On 13 February 2014 08:26, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/02/2014, at 7:00 PM, Sue Spence wrote: I wish I could get fish for 4p now. Six pints of bitter, said Ford Prefect. [...] Ford slapped a five-pound note on the bar. He said, Keep the change. What, from a fiver? Thank you sir. You'll generally get change from a fiver for *a* pint, but not two. ... Today I learned that a pint cost about 20p when HHGTTG was written.
Re: Main general Perl mailing list
On 13 February 2014 17:55, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: gvim == gvim gvi...@gmail.com writes: gvim I asked because I wanted to know which mailing list, outside of gvim the PM lists, is considered to be the main mailing list for gvim general Perl questions. When I looked on lists.perl.org there were gvim 200 to choose from. Occasionally one gets this sort of I'll just keep repeating myself verbatim treatment, but usually from people working in call centres or help desks of some sort, not from someone this list might consider a fellow community member. It's a little bit frustrating, because we'd like to help. But hey ho. If you keep being non-informative about the context of your question, most people here will just continue to ignore you. shrug :-) 3
Re: Main general Perl mailing list
Try stackoverflow or perl monks rather than a list. On 12 Feb 2014 15:28, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the main general Perl mailing list, ie. most active for general Perl questions? lists.perl.org has over 200 entries. gvim
Re: Main general Perl mailing list
On 12 February 2014 19:15, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: ...or the IRC channels for the thing you're having problems with. Some people, when confronted with a problem, think I know, I'll ask on IRC. Now they have two problems. :) That's very true of many channels, but not at all with #perl6 (freenode). It's almost like it's not a perl group at all.
Re: Perl 6 what can you do today
Unfortunately not. The audio quality is absymal, which is a shame because the talk was very good. On 10 February 2014 06:34, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes sthoe...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Tom Hukins t...@eborcom.com wrote: It looks like other videos from Fosdem's Perl room have made it to http://video.fosdem.org/2014/K3201/Saturday/ so there's lots of interesting things to catch up on for those of us who didn't make it to Brussels. All the ones I've tried to listen to have horrible static obscuring the sound. Am I the only one experiencing this?
Re: FOSDEM trip / accomodation / etc...
There are a large number of hotels in Brussels, and I don't see any evidence that the rates have been heavily jacked up for the weekend of FOSDEM. Accommodation is easily available under £50 per night, according to booking.com. We're going via eurostar, which is rather more expensive. Looking forward to seeing you there. On 20 January 2014 23:30, Paul LeoNerd Evans leon...@leonerd.org.ukwrote: So it seems at somewhat last-minute I'm going to FOSDEM to do a Perl talk. Anyone been before? I'm looking for recommendations on travel and where to stay. Currently all the hotels are looking like a 3x markup for that weekend, so I'm considering the possibility of trying to find someone local who I might drop in on, or else consider how early I could travel on Saturday morning, to at least avoid staying Fri-Sat there. Any thoughts? -- Paul LeoNerd Evans leon...@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/
Re: Recommended IDE...?
On 17 January 2014 10:18, Andrew london...@unitedgames.co.uk wrote: Looking to try using an Integrated Development Environment. Is there an industry standard everyone uses and I should get familiar with, or will any do? You've already received some recommendations. Do you mind sharing what sort of development you plan to do with the IDE? My previous experience is with NotePad and TextWrangler. I've Windows98SE and OSX 10.5.8 [Leopard] ;-), and use both in tandem via a KVM switch, XD. Windows 98, hmm. I used to really like a Windows IDE called CodeWright years ago. You might still be able to get hold of a version that works on your system.
Re: Recommended IDE...?
On 18 January 2014 10:31, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org wrote: Windows He doesn't like you. I don't like you. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on 12 systems. I'll be careful You'll be dead! If you're trying to develop software in such a hostile environment, no amount of support from the editor is going to help you. We have light sabers.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-07-12
On 4 July 2012 22:18, James Denness scaryro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, Just so you know, the company I develop for give free use of their auditorium / event space / cafe for technical meet-ups. http://forwardtechnology.co.uk/venue It's in Camden, near the Mornington Crescent tube. Let me know if you'd like me to make enquiries. The fridges are stocked with beer and the event team generally arrange pizza, etc. It would be interesting to hear what they say to an employee. I used the contact address on that page a few months ago, hoping that they might be willing to host a Perl tech meet, but was politely turned down. Maybe they just need to be asked by the correct person!
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-07-12
On 4 July 2012 22:43, James Denness scaryro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised to hear that - what did they say? Thanks for your email, we have had a lot of interest in hosting meetups recently. For the time being we want to focus on meetups that are relavent to our team and business and at the moment we are not using the perl within the company so we won't be able to host your meetup at this time. It was polite and not an absolute refusal, so somebody like yourself with an inside connection might well swing it.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-07-12
On 4 July 2012 23:03, James Denness scaryro...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised to hear that - what did they say? Thanks for your email, we have had a lot of interest in hosting meetups recently. For the time being we want to focus on meetups that are relavent to our team and business and at the moment we are not using the perl within the company so we won't be able to host your meetup at this time. It was polite and not an absolute refusal, so somebody like yourself with an inside connection might well swing it. I'll see what I can do - if you drop me an email with a couple of dates for upcoming events I'll have a chat with our events guys. The London PM calendar is here: http://www.london.pm.org/meetings/ Léon has been kindly organising the meetings and will no doubt respond in due course, I just happened across the FT venue page when I was thinking of attending an event there. August is YAPC Europe so there will no doubt be plenty of lead time.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-07-12
On 5 July 2012 00:11, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: On 04/07/12 23:26, Sue Spence wrote: On 4 July 2012 23:03, James Denness scaryro...@gmail.com wrote: August is YAPC Europe so there will no doubt be plenty of lead time. Can I have a gentle rant about the fact that the early bird price for YAPC will change EUR 80 - EUR 110 after 8th July (never mind the unknown cost of accommodation) and there is yet not even an outline program? Talks which have been accepted so far: http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/talks
Re: Professional Indemnity
On 3 May 2012 00:30, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes sthoe...@gmail.com wrote: Err, is the BBC in the habit of suing their past employees? The main topic of this conversation has been business insurance. I'm sure Lloyd's could sort out some cover for a truly worried person working under a normal employment contract though.
Re: Professional Indemnity
On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? How are you defining 'go to' ? I haven't spoken with anyone who has actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. I recently found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. Until I make a claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct choice...
Re: Professional Indemnity
On 1 May 2012 20:52, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:43, Sue Spence s...@pennine.com wrote: On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? How are you defining 'go to' ? I haven't spoken with anyone who has actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. I recently found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. Until I make a claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct choice... I went with none. I didn't see the point of paying for something that seems to have zero legal (AFAIK) legal precedent. In some situations, none isn't an option. I didn't buy it because I personally felt it would be useful - a client insisted.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-04-11
On 28 February 2012 21:55, Paul londonpm90...@rainslide.net wrote: On Thursday, 23 February, 2012 at 14:27:17 GMT, L?on Brocard wrote: Damian will be presenting: [...snipped a load of [REDACTED]...] What is this meeting actually about? You snipped a rather lengthy description of the expected subject matter. If that's not to your taste, then perhaps you might want to wait until the next tech meeting. Personally I enjoy having variety in my technical diet, and I always find Damian's talks to be interesting, thought provoking as well as fun.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-04-11
On 29 February 2012 11:04, Paul londonpm90...@rainslide.net wrote: There are a number of us who live in the home counties, so getting into London requires a bit of planning and is quite a hassle. I have seen Damian talk before, and while he is interesting, I'd just like to know beforehand how much I would find directly useful in my day to day work. Thanks. I will personally refund you DOUBLE the entrance fee if you don't find the talk meets your requirements now or in the future. *certain exclusions may apply
Re: Any Fedex Guru here - Need to find the expected Fedex refund due to delays from Fedex side
On 14 Jan 2012, at 07:58, Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nl wrote: Fedex uses Perl? Odds are that they do in some capacity but that isn't directly relevant here. With or without formal APIs it is possible to have a lot of fun with a website in On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:17:57PM +0530, abhishek jain wrote: Dear Friends, I have tracking numbers and a developer a/c from fedex, i need to know is there a way where i can find the refund fedex should give as per their policy, due to delays in shipment from Fedex. I have searched on google there is a lot of companies which provide such a service, but i need to develop that for one of my client, and there is no such api from FedEx. Have you tried contacting FedEx? That's the first thing I would do if I were in your position.
Re: OT: Agile PM courses?
On 9 January 2012 17:24, Steve Purkis st...@purkis.ca wrote: On 27 Dec 2011, at 13:38, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Any recs for Agile PM courses that can rubber stamp what I've been doing for the last 2-3 years? I realise you may already have been stamped on by now :), but: last year we worked with an Agile coach trainer from Rally and I found she was very practical / did a good job. They do ScrumMaster certification: http://www.agileu.org/ Thanks for the pointer. No courses listed in the UK as far as I can tell. I went to a Rally-sponsored seminar in London last year that was well attended so I am surprised. Again, as others have noted: experience is more useful than certificates. Given that Dave said he wanted the courses to go hand in hand with several years of what he perceives to be directly relevant experience, one could wish that all of the responses hadn't repeated the irrelevant disclaimer.
Re: lovefilm - spamming f-tards or decent employer?
On 23 December 2011 18:15, Rudolf Lippan rlip...@remotelinux.com wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2011 at 10:53:40 AM, Sue Spence wrote: So far it's just one person. I believe you mentioned that you were One person, who accused them of being 'spamming f-tards'. I have not seen any of this spam myself. Great, no real problem then. Happy holidays everyone!
Re: lovefilm - spamming f-tards or decent employer?
On 22 December 2011 19:42, Rudolf Lippan rlip...@remotelinux.com wrote: On Thursday, December 22, 2011 at 04:17:00 AM, Jacqui Caren wrote: Anyone else getting large volumes of UBE from lovefilm with the excuse None here. Do you know if it were an authorized mailing? that it comes from a thirdy party so please dont blame us for the large volume of abusive and desperate crap. If LOVEFiLM actually used the third party excuse for a company that they hired, it would be (for me) a red flag when evaluating them as a potential employer. So far it's just one person. I believe you mentioned that you were looking for a job in London, but the topic drift you're attempting to commit here is not cool.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Workshop social, Friday 2011-11-11, The Gunmakers, Clerkenwell
2011/11/8 Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker ilm...@ilmari.org: Hi all, ... Friday evening 11 Nov 2011 So come one, come all, to: The Gunmakers 13 Eyre Street Hill Clerkenwell EC1R 5ET Thanks for taking the time to set that up, Ilmari.
Re: Pre LPW social?
On 8 November 2011 15:36, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am arriving in London on Thursday 12:30, unfortunately missing the Sichuan TianFu lunch. I wonder if there is going to be a pre-conf social gathering? I might have missed it but I have not seen anything mentioned on the LPW website. You advice is appreciated. Ilmari is very kindly looking into this subject right now. Apparently the venue used in previous years is no longer suitable. :-/
Re: Perl e-commerce?
On 14 September 2011 10:11, Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nl wrote: Hello all, I was looking around at popular e-commerce setups like Magento and Zend Cart. And I realised most of these are PHP based, for whatever reason. Is there a (decent, maintained) Perl-based e-commerce platform out there? I am not an expert in this area but it seems to me that you are looking at one particular aspect of one segment of the e-commerce market and extrapolating far too much from that. Some hypotheses have already been advanced as to why Perl might not be as competitive as it used to be in that arena. That doesn't mean it isn't used in medium - large - enterprise environments. I have certainly seen it in the last one. Furthermore, even if Perl no longer has a place in e-commerce, which isn't true*, I don't believe you could infer that Perl marketing efforts are a bad idea or doomed to fail or that Perl itself is utterly b0rk3n and needs somebody to hurry up and fix it. If I have misinterpreted your message then I apologise in advance. *Unless Venda has gone out of business :-)
Re: Perl e-commerce?
On 14 September 2011 19:47, Andrew Suffield asuffi...@suffields.me.uk wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote: That's why PHP is used PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem, which is also its main design goal: How can stupid people create poor-quality web sites cheaply? Turns out this is in high demand, due to the large quantity of both those things in the world. I suppose you ought to know.
Re: Anyone got a US iTunes account
While we're on this topic, I have a small US$ gift certificate for iTunes which I'll gladly give to anyone who can use it. On 27 August 2011 13:15, Andy Armstrong a...@hexten.net wrote: Does anyone have a) a PayPal account and b) a US based iTunes account from which they'd be prepared to send me a gift certificate? I've got a UK account which won't allow me to make purchases in the US store. I also have a US based account - but I can't pay for anything on it without a US based payment source. So the transaction would look like this: a) I send you some money via PayPal b) you buy me a US-based iTunes gift certificate Anyone up for that? :) Thanks. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten
Re: website maintenance gig available
This was a simple tit-for-tat, it's nothing at all even resembling an annoy the nerds free for all. Not yet, at any rate. On 3 August 2011 14:57, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I think that playing a game of annoy the nerds with broken defacto standards is amusing, and I would prefer that you didn't retreat. [ deliberately top-posted from a more-or-less defacto standards compliant email client ] On 03/08/2011, at 11:42 PM, ian.doche...@nomura.com wrote: -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of David Cantrell Sent: 03 August 2011 14:26 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: website maintenance gig available On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:43:21PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:12, ian.doche...@nomura.com ian.doche...@nomura.com wrote: Isn't 'PHP skill' an oxymoron? No, but your sig is moronic. Please play nice, both of you. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david ... [Ian replied.] OK, last post (at least from work). It's annoying too many people, which I don't want to do. I don't like the sig, I don't like top posting but (as you can see) my email client does not indent or '' as I would wish, so you will have to try and unravel this as best you can. Use of mobile phones to email is frowned upon. Corporate firewall is a pain but I have to live with it. I only joined from this email address initially because of a need to post to the group on behalf of my company. Apologies that I continued to use it in an attempt to 'be part of the community'. Obviously it is not working. Catch you all on a very less frequent basis from another email address on the (few) hours I have available to me outside of work hours. Ian. This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential, may contain proprietary or privileged information and is intended for the named recipient(s) only. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail and must delete all copies. Nomura will not accept responsibility or liability for the accuracy or completeness of, or the presence of any virus or disabling code in, this e-mail. If verification is sought please request a hard copy. Any reference to the terms of executed transactions should be treated as preliminary only and subject to formal written confirmation by Nomura. Nomura reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications through its networks (in accordance with applicable laws). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by Nomura by any mistransmission of this e-mail. Any reference to Nomura is a reference to any entity in the Nomura Holdings, Inc. group. Please read our Electronic Communications Legal Notice which forms part of this e-mail: http://www.Nomura.com/email_disclaimer.htm
Re: website maintenance gig available
On 3 August 2011 15:27, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote: On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:30:26PM +, ian.doche...@nomura.com wrote: Indeed, except that they are blocked by corporate firewalls and I would not wish to incur the wrath of the powers-that-be by trying to bypass them! Back to square one. Don't bother with any of this. You might consider backing off from the snarky PHP comment that started this, but nothing else is particularly relevant. That's the ... Whatever, Peter.
Re: Google +
On 4 July 2011 11:27, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: On 4 July 2011 12:03, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: On 07/03/2011 06:54 PM, Andrew Beattie wrote: In-Reply-To: 4e0f887c.6040...@blackperl.com It wasn't really, was it? :-( Judging by the References: header, yes it was. I never understand that. Not least as it must surely be harder to reply to a post, change the subject and delete the mail-being-replied-to from your message body. Is it that time again already? Yes it is. It's Effed Up Thread Reference Angst week. In case anybody is reading this and is still mystified, never ever ever ... Oh yes, this will certainly work. Nobody will ever do this ever again. LOL
Re: Cool/useful short examples of Perl?
This distaste is not really limited to Germans or C programmers in my
experience. Anything more complicated than
holiday.picnic() unless raining;
will ideally not appear in any code that I am required to
inspect/support/maintain.
On Wednesday, 8 June 2011, Richard Foley richard.fo...@rfi.net wrote:
I've found a lot of German programmers very uncomfortable with the unless
keyword, (or maybe it's just c programmers). They appear to very often prefer
to use a construct of the form:
if ( !something ) { ...
Even worse is:
unless ( !something ) { ...
The brain just into tailspin goes.
Where
Ciao
Richard
--
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than AufWiederSehen!
http://www.rfi.net/books.html
On 31 May 2011, at 15:02, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 04:27:30PM +0100, Denny wrote:
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 15:36 +0100, David Precious wrote:
if (! Email::Valid-address($email_address) ) {
Something wrong with 'unless'?
Yes. Most of the time you'll either have an 'else' or want to add it
later, and unless ... else is Just Wrong.
Well, in that case, it should be:
if (Email::Valid-address($email_address) ) {
# Code for if the e-mail address is valid.
...
}
else {
# Code you were going to write in the block above.
}
Otherwise your 'else' block is basically a double negative, and (IMAO) just
as confusing for an 'else' block for an 'unless'.
OK, I admit, I've found myself wanting to add an 'else' block to an
'unless' statement. And it's awkward, but only for the short period of
time it takes for me to rewrite it as an 'if' with the original code in
the new 'else' block.
Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London
On 1 June 2011 15:02, Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nl wrote: Hallo mongers, I'm Mallory and I don't really do any Perl. But my husband does, and we'll be in London (a first for me) on the weekend of the 24th of June and was wondering if there'd be a possibility to just drink some beer and hang out with some Perlers somewhere that weekend? Dakkar suggested I ask here :) Emergency! Emergency!
Re: Junior-mid level Perl
On 28 April 2011 11:15, Victoria Conlan vi...@comps.org wrote: I was just thinking that surely a Bloody Mary is 1 of your 5-a-day. How about sloe gin? If you make sloe gin you can use the gin-soaked sloes later as an ice-cream topping, apparently. :-) (We did it with vodka raspberries, which were very very nice!) 'Used' sloes can also be used in biscuits, flapjack and presumably cakes. I was thinking of using up a cupful in a fruitcake this weekend.
Re: Junior-mid level Perl
On 28 April 2011 08:45, James Laver london...@jameslaver.com wrote: Their tobacco old fashioned[2] is quite an impressive concoction and frankly their entire cocktail menu looks delicious. I've been there since to drink cocktails and not eat. [1] http://www.thehawksmoor.co.uk/home_press_brunch.php [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawksmoor/5191325159/ What is in a tobacco old fashioned?
Re: Junior-mid level Perl (Victoria Conlan)
On 27 April 2011 23:19, Victoria Conlan vi...@comps.org wrote: Vegan shortbread? WTH. The short(ening) agent in Short Bread = fat. Specifically, it must be butter. No butter, no shortbread. I've found that vegan buttery-style margarine is acceptable. Especially if you replace half of the flour with ground almonds. Pop over, I'll make you it some time. That's a very kind offer. Let me know when the tea room is open :-)
Re: Xcode 4.0.2 and XS modules
On 26 April 2011 13:24, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org wrote: On 23/04/2011 13:46, Sue Spence wrote: Beyond installing my own Perl Do this. Best to ignore the system Perl IMO. I don't get it. I've never used anything other than system Perl all the time I've been using OS X, and I don't recall any problems. (Of course, that may be the RDF talking.) In fact, I get annoyed with things like macports/fink/etc that won't accept system Perl (or system X11) and try and do their own thing, and have since switched to homebrew, which seems to get a lot right. I may have slightly overstated the case. If what you have is working for you, great. It clearly wasn't doing the job for Simon. I have a tendency to want a) specific version(s) of Perl, usually due to CPAN dependencies, but not always b) better certainty that it will not be disturbed by Apple I install and manage my own versions of other software too, for much the same reasons.
Re: Junior-mid level Perl
On 27 April 2011 11:15, Victoria Conlan vi...@comps.org wrote: There's enough of a demand for Perl devs in London that a lot of companies that are looking to hire in that space are willing to hire people with OO-PHP/Python experience. That's good to hear. I'm alternating between excitement and terror at the prospect of being back on the job market. :-/ I still favour getting the hell out of IT and setting up a tea shop, though. (tea and cakes at my place when I do so!) Where? I'll be right over. :)
Re: Junior-mid level Perl
On 27 April 2011 16:18, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:30, Sue Spence s...@pennine.com wrote: On 27 April 2011 11:15, Victoria Conlan vi...@comps.org wrote: I still favour getting the hell out of IT and setting up a tea shop, though. (tea and cakes at my place when I do so!) Where? I'll be right over. :) Seriously :) Also: geek-operated mojito bars in the caribbean. Ooh. I didn't even know I needed one of those until just now.
Re: Junior-mid level Perl (Victoria Conlan)
On 27 April 2011 19:54, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: On 27/04/11 13:00, Sue Spence wrote: On 27 April 2011 12:49, Victoria Conlanvi...@comps.org wrote: I still favour getting the hell out of IT and setting up a tea shop, though. (tea and cakes at my place when I do so!) Victoria(n) sponge cakes? But of course! I also do a pretty nifty chocolate fudge cake, and a hugely calorific sachertorte, plus very nice vegan shortbread. I am going to get s fat. :-) Vegan shortbread? WTH. The short(ening) agent in Short Bread = fat. Specifically, it must be butter. No butter, no shortbread.
Re: Xcode 4.0.2 and XS modules
On 22 April 2011 22:20, Simon Wistow si...@thegestalt.org wrote: Apple, evil bastards that they are, don't ship with GCC installed. You have to install Xcode to get it. And now, because apparently raping puppies to death with nuns or whatever it is they do for fun, isn't sufficiently evil you have to buy Xcode. True it's only $4 but it's still a giant fuck you. Hmm, I think that's new. Looks like I can get it without paying because I'm in their developer program (also not free, but $work paid for it). I'm slightly surprised they are bothering to charge for it, but Apple are like that. If you want everything to be free, linux is that way --- What's even worse is that apparently the version you can buy - 4.0.2 - doesn't come with a PPC assembler. Which would be fine. Except that the system Perl is built *with* arch ppc. So now no CPAN modules with XS will build. Beyond installing my own Perl Do this. Best to ignore the system Perl IMO. I have at least 2 other Perls on my macbook. :-)
Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...
On 20 April 2011 10:03, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:40, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/ Or does he have a point? Key is http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/#comment-90218 Must not laugh.
Re: iPhone Barcode Readers
On 1 March 2011 11:03, Peter Edwards pe...@dragonstaff.co.uk wrote: Do it in 6 lines of Python using an Android phone? http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/android-barcode-scanner/ You can pick up a second-hand Hero for £60. Interesting! I think I'll give that a try.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Speakers at a conference
In that vein, I'd like to hear from Alan J Perlis. On 8 February 2011 08:35, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: Alan Turing On Feb 7, 2011 5:05 PM, Piers Cawley pdcawley-london.0dd...@bofh.org.uk wrote: Alan Kay On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: **Firstly let me ...
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Speakers at a conference
2011/2/7 Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker ilm...@ilmari.org: Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: On 7 Feb 2011, at 15:47, Piers Cawley wrote: Alan Kay Brian Stroustrup and make him apoligise. ITYM Bjarne. We used to refer to him as Barney Shoestrap. It wasn't affectionate either.
