Re: Getting my TODO list down

2008-09-04 Thread jesse



On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:46:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:32:41PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
> 
> > If a business idea can't justify spending a tenner or so a month on a
> > virtual server, it's surely not worth pursuing?
> 
> For the business owner, no, but there's lots of stupid business owners
> out there.  For the contractors they might hire to actually write the
> pointless code it's still worth doing.  And that's why Lyle cares.

It's also the case that given the choice between:

"We could make this in Perl or PHP. For PHP, it costs $x to run a
server. For Perl, it costs $(2x).

It doesn't matter what x is.

I'm kind of surprised that nobody's brought up Brad+Artur's
Sys::Protect. It's designed to make it easier to isolate Perl 
to get a lot of the same benefits of PHP's "stuff doesn't leak between
page loads" design.




EMERGENCY: Bright and Early Monday Morning

2008-10-08 Thread jesse
So, I find myself transiting Heathrow with a somewhat questionable
layover once more.

I'll be arriving in London this Sunday evening at about 9pm. I fly out
of Heathrow at 2:15pm on Monday.

The last couple times we've tried to breakfast at The Wolseley, we've
failed due to a lack of reservations.  If you'd like to eat breakfast on 
Monday, reply to me off-list with acceptable times and I'll attempt to
sort something out.

Best,
Jesse



Re: Perl is dead

2008-12-04 Thread jesse



On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:44:43AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
> 5.12 to perl 6.

Perl 5 and Perl 6 are different languages at this point.

Perl 5 12.0 solves that problem neatly ;)


Re: Perl is dead

2008-12-04 Thread jesse



On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 04:19:31PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:13:55AM -0500, jesse wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:44:43AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
> > > 5.12 to perl 6.
> > 
> > Perl 5 and Perl 6 are different languages at this point.
> > 
> > Perl 5 12.0 solves that problem neatly ;)
> ^  ^
> |  |
> `- that character
>|
>`-- and that character
> 
> are not the same, yet they map to the same concept in the implementation.

How about .0 vs 0? ;)

5.012000 = Perl 5.12.0 = Perl 5 12.0

> Find a single character that can sit in both positions, and this plan is
> far more viable.

This is the 'marketing name', not what the code reports.  The code is
still reporting things the way it used to report 5.01

"Perl" describes a family of languages. The one we know and love is
"Perl 5". The one I'm the project manager for is called "Perl 6".

It's only fitting that the "5" make its way from version number to name
since incrementing it to 6 or 7 is going to start a flame war the size
of...[I'm not going to autogodwinize now, thank you very much.]


> 



> 
> Nicholas Clark
> 

-- 


Re: Perl is dead

2008-12-04 Thread jesse



On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:54:45PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:17:16PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> >
> >> Apparently Java is dead too:
> >> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=python%2C+perl%2C+java%2C+php&l=&relative=1
> >
> > So's C.  And Windows.
> 
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=narcotics%2C+php&l=&relative=1

At least we're still more popular than Jesus:

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=jesus%2C+perl&l=&relative=1
> 


Re: *simple* blogging (addon) software

2009-02-26 Thread jesse



On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:26:03PM +, Tomas Doran wrote:
> 
> If one was to be a pedant, it could be argued that Angerwhale is  
> likely to be more simple (in code directly comprising it) as it does  
> less (most of the heavy lifting being done by CPAN).
> 
> But I'm not a pedant, so I wouldn't do that. 

Thankfully for you, this list has many subscribers who _ARE_ pedants.

Angerwhale weighs in at about 8000 lines of perl source and templates
Bloxsom weighs in at about 800.

I leave it to other resident pedants to further refine or refute my
argument.


Re: Optimisation

2009-03-03 Thread jesse



On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:02:53PM +, L?on Brocard wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lai :
> > 2009/3/3 Jasper :
> >> It's ironically sub-optimal to have wasted so much of your and our
> >> time on something so trivial. ;)
> >>
> >> Joss Whedon has a new tv show.
> >
> > It has Eliza Dushku in it.
> 
> But no vampires.

Yet.


Re: Gallifrey.pm tshirt

2009-05-18 Thread jesse


> > 
> >   
> > http://astray.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Shop/Article/Index/article/Gallifreypm-9530899
> 
> Sadly, the United States seems not to be a country they ship to... :-(

They're a US company, (see http://bestpractical.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/ for 
example)

I suppose you could create a US variant of the shop and get the art from
acme. Or have some shipped to Lisbon.


Re: Gnome makes me want to strangle kittens

2009-07-07 Thread jesse



On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 05:54:11PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> How does one de-Gnomeify a Ubuntu box?  Its spectacularly broken
> focus-follows-mouse and hideously ugly window mangler and "panels"
> Just Have To Go.

Oh the GDM login screen, click the options menu in the lower left
corner. Pick one of the non-gnome sessions. You probably don't want to
actually remove it from disk as some of the GUI admin tools can be
useful for unraveling some of the weirder configuration later on.



Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-16 Thread jesse



On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:52:18PM +0530, abhishek jain wrote:
> Hi,
> Do perl have a kind of code encoder which hides the readable Perl code by
> encoding like we have in PHP.
> 
> I am working on a project and i dont want to give the editing / viewing
> rights to the user, also a right to expire the code after some time interval
> .
> How can i protect the code,
> Possible?
> What would you advice for the options to me.

Abhi,

There are a number of ways to do what you ask. And none of them will do
what you want.  

http://search.cpan.org/~jjore/B-Deobfuscate-0.20/lib/B/Deobfuscate.pod
is just one of several tools your end users will be able to use to see
your source code.  If you have proprietary secrets, don't put them into
code you distribute to end users. 

> -- 
> Thanks ,
> Abhi
> 

-- 


Re: Bubble sort dance

2009-09-18 Thread jesse
At one point, I _had_ a video of the dance at YAPC::EU in Braga. But I'm
pretty sure it perished along with my nokia 6630.


On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:41:42PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Dave Hodgkinson  wrote:
> > Is there any video out there of l.pm doing the bubble sort?
> 
> ISTR it was performed before the days of pervasive video cameras in
> every pocket. Leastways, I _hope_ it was.
> 

-- 


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread jesse



> > Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and enjoying :)
> 
> Could you explain that to my niece? I visited the US recently and brought 
> over a bottle of Green Spot. She took one sip, said it was great, and then 
> shot the rest. I could have cried. Next time, I'll buy her whiskey which 
> comes in a soft plastic bottle.

Technically, Green Spot is Irish Whiskey, not Scotch. 

That said, *cry* - Do you know how hard that stuff is to get in the US?


Re: Maintainer needed for perlsphere.net

2009-10-05 Thread jesse

> > http://cpandeps.cantrell.org.uk/?module=Plagger
> 
> deps.cpantesters.org please!  

It'd be worth getting it to canonicalize the URL so we stop making the
mistake.

-j


Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-20 Thread jesse



On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 02:27:44PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:43, Jasper  wrote:
> > Microsoft have always made good keyboards and mices.
> 
> I've heard good things about their hardware (well, input devices, at
> any rate -- the context didn't include consoles) in general.
> 
> Perhaps one should distinguish between Microsoft-the-software-company
> and Microsoft-the-hardware-company.

I love my Microsoft Natural Elite keyboard (the newer ones, IMO, have
_much_ worse hardware) to death. Actually, I love it to death about
twice a year. You see, the traces on the keyboard are water soluable.
These things were _not_ built to last. That said, a replacement is about
$25. 





> Cheers,
> Philip
> -- 
> Philip Newton 
> 

-- 


Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse
> Problem then comes with people who need to help you on your computer. I 
> often help a tester here who has a "Natural" split keyboard, and find 
> it tough, but doable (I used to use a natural years ago, the problem is 
> using a Natural from a sideways position or standing position while at 
> $co-worker's desk). I can't imagine any way of coping if he had a 
> Dvorak layout.

When my friend Adam was switching over to Dvorak many years ago, he
implemented two small shell scripts to toggle layout: "asdf" and "aoeu" 

It helped keep the problem Matt mentions in check.


Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse



On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote:
> A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid
> mousing.  Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software used by
> his branch of the civil service didn't bother with keyboard access for
> many features.

In the US, that's ~illegal[1]. The UK doesn't have a similar law?

[1] http://www.section508.gov/


Re: Bug tracking SaaS

2009-11-24 Thread jesse



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:38:17PM +, James Laver wrote:
> I don't seem to recall such a positive experience last I tried. In fact ISTR
> it uses a bunch of unmaintained cpan modules I couldn't get to compile on
> recent perl.

...really. I'd love to know which. Since that's certainly not what we
tend to see in production or hear from end users and I'd like to fix it 
if it's so.

> --James
> 
> Sent from my android phone, please forgive my brevity.
>
I suppose I can cut you some slack as you use my mail client ;)

> On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:08 -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Any
> 
> Is RT not suitable?
> 

-- 


Re: Bug tracking SaaS

2009-11-24 Thread jesse



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:38:33PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Denny <2...@denny.me> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:08 -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> >> Any recommendations for online bug tracking tools?
> >> ...
> >> Or, is bugzilla or whatever that easy to set up that I should JFDI?
> >
> > Bugzilla is sadly a bit of a sprawling monstrosity these days, although
> > not that hard to set up iirc.
> >
> > Is RT not suitable?
> 
> I didn't see an online version - it's only an installable app right?

We partner with a company that provides RT hosting -
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/hosting/request_tracker.html

> This is kind of a last resort option (not using a Cloud app) to be
> honest.
> 
> Paul
> 
> PS https://rt.cpan.org not having a CA-issued cert is a bit odd given
> how cheap they are these days. Does Best Practical really need a
> helping hand there?

Only if you can knock heads at .org.  The issue isn't one of cash. It's
one of "the admin and tech contacts for cpan.org point to a dead
address, so we _can't_ get a reasonable SSL certificate as they can't
verify us. (Also, rt.cpan.org is, yes, on what's now a very old version
of RT. That's something that a minion is actively working on).

-j


Re: Bug tracking SaaS

2009-11-24 Thread jesse



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 09:39:58PM +, David Precious wrote:
> jesse wrote:
> >On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:38:33PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> >>PS https://rt.cpan.org not having a CA-issued cert is a bit odd given
> >>how cheap they are these days. Does Best Practical really need a
> >>helping hand there?
> >
> >Only if you can knock heads at .org.  The issue isn't one of cash. It's
> >one of "the admin and tech contacts for cpan.org point to a dead
> >address, so we _can't_ get a reasonable SSL certificate as they can't
> >verify us. (Also, rt.cpan.org is, yes, on what's now a very old version
> >of RT. That's something that a minion is actively working on).
> 
> FWIW, Comodo will provide basic SSL certficates as long as an email to 
> one of a list of addresses they deem to be acceptable is received & a 
> link within clicked on.  That list includes the admin/tech contacts for 
> the domain, but also sslad...@$hostname, ad...@$hostname etc (for 
> rt.cpan.org, that'd be at either rt.cpan.org or cpan.org).
> 


That sounds like it has some plausibility. Thanks!

> Presumably, getting such an address to go to someone who can click a 
> link wouldn't be hard.
> 
> At $work we deal with Comodo to offer free SSL certs to our customers; 
> if anyone is interested in getting a CA-issued cert set up, feel free to 
> drop me a mail.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dave P
> 

-- 


Re: Dear Lazyweb: tiny mod_perl media server

2009-12-02 Thread jesse



On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 04:23:51PM +, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> Someone at work has just asked me whether I recall a little mod_perl based 
> media server where you
> 
> * point it at a tree of media files
> * request media in various formats
> * it guesses the media type from the requested extension and transcodes to 
> that format on the fly
> 
> Does that ring bells with anyone?
>

I...totally remember that. Perhaps it was Namp! (Linked from
perl.apache.org)


Re: tablets for parents

2014-03-02 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 09:37:01PM +, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> Hi
> 
> > From: "Nicholas Clark" 
> > To: "london pm" 
> > Sent: Sunday, 2 March, 2014 9:20:39 PM
> > Subject: tablets for parents
> > 
> > buying a device for the purpose of videoconferencing. My sister and I
> > suspect that the right thing is a tablet connected via 3G
> 
> I don't think I would recommend trying to videoconference over a 3G 
> connection.  Not as anything other than a one-off emergency thing, anyway.
> 
> 

Skype video over 3G has always been quite good for me.


Re: Web scraping frameworks?

2014-03-04 Thread Jesse Vincent
Many years ago Audrey also put together Template::Extract, which is sort
of a fascinating layer on top of this


On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 06:50:48PM -0300, ?? Guido Barosio wrote:
> Curious about this one. How far a scraping franework would be from lwp?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, DAVID HODGKINSON  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Does something exist?
> >
> > If it doesn't does anyone want to help make it happen?
> >
> > I *really* don't want to have to write the code all over again ten times...
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Guido Barosio
> Pensando en los estudiantes de Venezuela, por un futuro mejor para todo ese
> pueblo.
> 
> http://www.ted.com/profiles/1085580

-- 


Re: [OT] Perl 5.8.9 RC1 is out

2008-11-13 Thread Jesse Vincent
We've tested RT, Jifty, SVK and Prophet on it on linux and osx. Generally 
things look happy

Léon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>2008/11/11 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/N/NW/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.9-RC1.tar.bz2
>> no-one has tested it on *your* work code. And if you don't, and there are
>> regressions in RC1 that hurt your code, but you don't find out until after
>> 5.8.9 is released, because you didn't test it now, then
>
>How is 5.8.9 RC1 working out for everyone? It compiles and passes
>tests on all the different computers and virtual machines I have
>access to and I've run a substantial amount of CPAN on it without any
>problems so far. How about you?
>
>Leon
>

-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Perl is dead

2008-12-03 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed  3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
> In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
>
> http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html

Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?


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Re: *.perl.org facelift

2008-12-09 Thread Jesse Vincent
On Tue  9.Dec'08 at 16:25:48 +, Léon Brocard wrote:
> 2008/12/5 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I put a few ideas together for a *.perl.org facelift.
> >
> >  http://wardley.org/use.perl.org/test.html
> >
> > At the moment it's just a stick in the ground.  It's probably the
> > wrong kind of stick and not in the right place, but it's a start.
> 
> Great start. Has anyone downloaded slashcode, the software that
> use.perl.org runs? Is its templating system flexible?

I'm not sure how easy Andy will find their templating system. It's this
thing called "Template Toolkit".

 
> Leon
> 

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Anyone going to Hackspace #9?

2009-06-17 Thread Jesse Sheidlower

Hi. I'm visiting the UK from NY.pm, and will be in London
tomorrow evening; was going to drop by Hackspace #9 at the
Regent in Islington. Just wondering if any Perl
(esp. Catalyst/DBIC) folk will be there

Best,

Jesse Sheidlower (jester)


Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed 21.Oct'09 at 17:44:58 +0100, James Laver wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM, jesse  wrote:
> >
> > In the US, that's ~illegal[1]. The UK doesn't have a similar law?
> >
> > [1] http://www.section508.gov/
> >
> 
> We have the disability discrimination act which makes it similarly
> illegal. It also makes it illegal to develop a website that isn't
> properly accessible, but we've yet to see any prosecutions.
> 
> Does your §508 have provisions for non-discrimination against healthy
> people (making concessions for disabled people available to healthy
> people?) ? That's what I'm using in the UK to justify my chip and
> signature card.

Sadly, I have no idea.

Best,
Jesse
> 
> --James
> 



Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 12th April 2010

2010-03-26 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:41:01AM +1100, Damian Conway wrote:
> [Various all-too-easily-copied archival format suggestions discarded]
> 
> Look, if we *really* want to preserve and protect this extremely
> valuable intellectual property, I propose that we don't film it at all.
> Instead, let us commission Piers to record and commemorate the great
> event in the form of an epic ballad of several hundred stanzas in iambic
> pentameter that can be passed down for all eternity as part of the rich
> and confusing tapestry that is the oral history of London.pm, to be sung
> only on occasions of particular solemnity and alcoholism.

...wow. I'd donate several hundred dollars to $PERL_CHARITY to see that happen. 
Not that I expect to get taken up on this offer.



Re: Fwd: Perl 5.12.0-RC1 now available

2010-03-30 Thread Jesse Vincent

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:42:47PM +0100, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 03:42:46PM +0100, Léon Brocard wrote:
> >Please test this release candidate for 5.12.0 with your internal code
> >to make sure that we haven't broken anything important without
> >realising.
> 
> A list of current issues: http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/
> Where to post new bugs: http://rt.perl.org/perlbug/

Mail to perl...@perl.org, actually. If there's something you think
should block release of 5.12.0, please contact p5p directly, so we can
hold the release if necessary.

Thanks!

Jesse
 
> Is that right?
> 
> -- 
> 
> .

-- 



Re: Emergency social: The Gunmakers, tomorrow evening (for Perl 5.12.0)

2010-04-14 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 04:41:52PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Perl 5.12.0 escaped onto CPAN on Monday night, a few hours after Damian's 
> talk:
> 
> http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=10/04/13/1953252
> 
> Clearly this is an emergency. Although whether it's a good emergency or
> bad emergency is debatable. But either way, it requires a social.
> 
> The Gunmakers, Clerkenwell, Thursday 15th April 2010, from 6:30pm
> http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Gunmakers%2C_EC1R_5ET
> 
> The food is good, the beer is good, and they've actually found a reason for
> Twitter to exist: https://twitter.com/thegunmakers

Sadly, I don't think I can make it.  Please have a pint for me!

-Jesse


Re: London.pm leader election

2010-09-24 Thread Jesse Vincent
I support this proposed public/private power sharing arrangement. Seconded. 
Twice (?)

"David Cantrell"  wrote:

>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:43:10AM +0100, L?on Brocard wrote:
>
>> 4th October: Send nominations to a...@astray.com and d...@dave.org.uk
>> before this date
>
>I nominate Amelia the stuffed camel.  I also nominate Egbert the BBC
>stuffed camel, who is currently sitting on my desk.
>
>-- 
>David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world
>
>  For every vengeance, there is an equal and opposite revengeance.
>-- Cartoon Law X

-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: Recommendation for simple Web Frameworks

2011-01-10 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:55:42PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> On 10 Jan 2011, at 22:41, Peter Edwards wrote:
> 
> >> 
>  "Matt" == Matt Sergeant  writes:
> >>> 
> >>>Matt> But the dependencies list *is* much larger for Catalyst.
> >> 
> > 
> > Indeed. I'm in a corporate environment where installing 70+ up to date CPAN
> > modules is a non-trivial requirement.
> > I needed to update our Twitter feeder recently and had to bail on the CPAN
> > Moose OAuth Twitter for a simpler one purely for that reason.
> > It's not always practicable even if we like Moose with deps (which most of
> > us do).
> 
> Search for "shipwright" on your friendly neighbourhood intranet then blame
> Piers.

Actually, Shipwright is one of ours (BPS's)
-- 


Re: Perl and IPv6. It's alright now.

2011-04-17 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:02:59PM +0100, Duncan Garland wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I was half-involved in a discussion about IPv6 on Friday.

[...]

> I think some wheels were turning in the background. In the middle of last
> year one of the people who had been highlighting the problems, Steffan,
> filed it as a bug with p5p. He lists a number of tasks as completed (several
> by him) and a number more as outstanding. There are half a dozen
> constructive replies and then it goes quiet.
> 
> That was nine months ago.
> 
> What's the situation now?
> 
> Does anybody have a high-level summary of the current situation? Would
> anybody like to write one? I don't think I'm the right person. I don't know
> if it's alright now or not.
> 

Please test Perl 5.13.11 and tell us if all the primitives you need are
in Socket.pm. Everything should work fine.

If you need this support on earlier perls, please test out things like
Socket6.pm.


Re: Perl and IPv6. It's alright now.

2011-04-17 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Sun 17.Apr'11 at 20:11:09 +0100, Duncan Garland wrote:
> Hi Jesse,
> 
> Ok, I'll see if I can organise something.
> 
> Perl 5.13 is a beta release which is due to become the production release
> 5.14  this year isn't it? 

Yes.

> Can I conclude that 5.14 is expected to have good
> quality IPv6 support.

It'd be a much safer conclusion if you could validate that we've
actually met whatever bar you've set for "good quality IPv6 support"

Best,

Jesse


Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-20 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:40:57AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/
> 
> Or does he have a point?

He has a point. 

-- 


Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-20 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed 20.Apr'11 at 13:01:10 +0200, Abigail wrote:
> 
> I don't think that was jwz's point.
> 
> I think his point is: "when doing something trivial, don't have a huge
> dependency chain".

"Easy things should be easy. Impossible things should be possible."

> 
> Abigail


Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-20 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 05:53:20PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:40:57AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > 
> > http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/04/a-badge-for-the-software-industrys-failures/
> > 
> > Or does he have a point?
> 
> He's embarrassed that didn't think to run "apt-get install 
> libnet-twitter-perl"?

That doesn't work so well on a vanilla OS X box. Whcih is what his
workstation is.

There is a toolchain bug. Perl's toolchain can't find XCode.
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Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...

2011-04-21 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:33:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:08:16AM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:06 -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote:
> > > There is a toolchain bug. Perl's toolchain can't find XCode.
> > Is it really the responsibility of the perl toolchain to do that?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> FWIW, it has managed to find XCode just fine on all my machines.  Maybe
> this is a recently introduced bug, or some new version of XCode does
> things differently.
> 

Jamie swears that it's a vanilla vendor Perl on a new 10.6.7 box with
XCode 4. Someone spotted it trying to use the _ppc_ compiler at some
point during the build.  I don't currently have suitable test hardware
to try to repro it on. :/


Re: Xcode 4.0.2 and XS modules

2011-04-22 Thread Jesse Vincent
Ah. So _this_ is what fucked jwz.
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Simon Wistow  wrote:

Apple, evil bastards that they are, don't ship with GCC installed. You have to 
install Xcode to get it. And now, because apparently raping puppies to death 
with nuns or whatever it is they do for fun, isn't sufficiently evil you have 
to buy Xcode. True it's only $4 but it's still a giant fuck you. What's even 
worse is that apparently the version you can buy - 4.0.2 - doesn't come with a 
PPC assembler. Which would be fine. Except that the system Perl is built *with* 
arch ppc. So now no CPAN modules with XS will build. Beyond installing my own 
Perl (which I can do but is kind of a ball ache) what's the best solution to 
this. I've found an old copy of Xcode on their site now after some poking 
around but saying "Install an old version of software" is a less than ideal 
solution. 



Re: Perl under MacOS X

2011-06-02 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 10:15:19AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 09:37, Steve Mynott  wrote:
> >
> > Install Virtualbox or Vmware and use a linux perl.
> 
> Yes.

If you're going to go that route, have a look at Vagrant.

vagrantup.com



Re: OT: HTTP server that binds tcp6

2012-01-23 Thread Jesse Vincent

On Jan 18, 2012, at 6:42 AM, Roger Burton West wrote:

> I have a handy short program which is built on top of
> HTTP::Server::Simple. That's fine, but now people want IPv6 support.
> 
> Is there a convenient server backend which offers this? I've just been
> looking at POE::Component::Server::HTTP and
> POE::Component::Server::SimpleHTTP with no joy. Any recommendations? (Or
> a way of getting IPv6 out of HTTP::Server::Simple would be even better.)
> 

I _believe_ there's a subclass of HTTP::Server::Simple that supports v6 well up 
on CPAN. There are also patches to HTTP::Server::Simple in a ticket in 
rt.cpan.org.

I haven't taken those patches because H::S::S is very much "core deps only" and 
so far, I haven't gotten properly conditionalized patches

Best,
Jesse

> Roger




Re: Anyone heading out to YAPC::Asia?

2012-08-01 Thread Jesse Vincent
I've been to...all but one? YAPC::Asias to date. Often, slides are in
English, even when the talks aren't. There's usually a fair bit of
content in English, but not necessarily in every slot.

As a westerner, I  wouldn't go to YAPC::Asia for the sessions. The
hallway track is quite good. And the pub track is stellar.



> I'm not aware of any translators, but I was assuming that English would be
> the common tongue for Asia as well (although I'm sure there will be a
> strong Japanese presence).
> 
> They have not accepted many talks so far, but if you click on each talk,
> the language of the talk, and availability of subtitles are listed.
> http://yapcasia.org/2012/talk
> 
> I was hoping that Larry Wall and a few other's presence this year will help
> to encourage more international participation.
> 
> 
> Regards, Anthony L
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 August 2012 23:30, ?? Guido Barosio  wrote:
> 
> > I thought about it but I couldn't spot any translators availability in
> > their website. Are you aware of any efforts on this direction? I went
> > to a PostgreSQL meeting in Japan years ago with no translators and it
> > was a complete waste of time!
> >
> > gb.-
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Anthony Lucas 
> > wrote:
> > > Just wondering if anyone is planning on heading out to YAPC Asia this
> > > September?
> > > I've decided that I'm heading out for it.
> > >
> > > It would be great to see some London or EU pm'ers out there.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards, Anthony L
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guido Barosio
> > TEDxResistencia, 2012
> > http://www.tedxresistencia.org/
> > http://www.ted.com/tedx
> >

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Re: Anyone heading out to YAPC::Asia?

2012-08-02 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 11:22:17AM +0100, Anthony Lucas wrote:
> Thanks for the info Jesse.
> 
> On the hallway and pub track front, do you think it will be worth trying to 
> linkup with some Japanese pm members (Tokyo, Shibuya etc.) before heading 
> over? 
> 
> 
Yes, definitely drop the organizers a line.


Re: Calendar web apps

2012-10-02 Thread Jesse Vincent



On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 02:54:37PM +0100, Dirk Koopman wrote:
> It seems a good idea to ask if there is a recommended
> Mojo/Dancer/ perl Calendar web app out there, just before
> I write one.
> 
> Any suggestions?

What featureset are you looking for?


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