Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 23:01, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * the hatter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still
   working as a firewall/NAT)
  
  I see your dx2-66, and raise(/lower) you my dx2-50.  Curses, if onlyI
  hadn't found that machine in a skip a year or two back,
 
 
 Hmm, the 486 was around 93/94 wasnt it? if so i raise you an original
 indy which i am currently using as an X server and writing this email
 on. the indy was released about 92/93 IIRC. and yes it has perl on it.
 (its running debian if anyone is interested).

Yeah, but it's 100MHz AND a risc chip with a decent cache so worth
double.


 
 Greg
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Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-21 Thread Alex McLintock
At 22:37 20/01/03, you wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Shevek wrote:

 I just gave away a 386/8MHz which ran it. Slackware 4.0.

386/8MHz ? Thee were lucky lad !

When I were a boy I had to make do with an abacus !


Just had a friendly argument with a hitchhikers fan as to whether or not an 
abacus was
a digital or analogue computer.


Alex


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RE: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-21 Thread Ivor Williams


On Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:35 PM, Alex McLintock [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:
 At 22:37 20/01/03, you wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Shevek wrote:
 
   I just gave away a 386/8MHz which ran it. Slackware 4.0.
 
 386/8MHz ? Thee were lucky lad !
 
 When I were a boy I had to make do with an abacus !

 Just had a friendly argument with a hitchhikers fan as to whether or not an
 abacus was
 a digital or analogue computer.


Humm... A slide rule is a good analogy for an anologue computer.

This should appeal to ZZ9ers. If I can remember the quote:

Zaphod (about Eddie the shipboard computer): I think we'd be better off with a 
slide rule.





Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-21 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:35:06PM +, Alex McLintock wrote:
 Just had a friendly argument with a hitchhikers fan as to whether or not an 
 abacus was
 a digital or analogue computer.

Digital, clearly, as it can not represent values over a continuous range,
only discrete values across that range.  It just doesn't use base two.

-- 
Lord Protector David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

It's my experience that neither users nor customers can articulate
what it is they want, nor can they evaluate it when they see it
-- Alan Cooper




Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:35:06PM +, Alex McLintock wrote:
 Just had a friendly argument with a hitchhikers fan as to whether or not an 
 abacus was
 a digital or analogue computer.

 Digital, clearly, as it can not represent values over a continuous
 range, only discrete values across that range.  It just doesn't use
 base two.

Digital in the sense that the user's fingers form a vital part of the
machinery. But (donning the pedantry trousers) it's not really a
computer at all.

-- 
Piers




[OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Patrick Mulvany
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:38:47AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 06:25:34PM +, Shevek wrote:
  I'd have to check my P60s to find out the exact dates.
 
  Wow, I thought my PII-233 was old!
 
 386SX/25 ran my first linux box. But I think we've already done this.
 

I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still working as a 
firewall/NAT)

Paddy





Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Shevek
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Patrick Mulvany wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:38:47AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
  Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 06:25:34PM +, Shevek wrote:
   I'd have to check my P60s to find out the exact dates.
  
   Wow, I thought my PII-233 was old!
  
  386SX/25 ran my first linux box. But I think we've already done this.
  
 
 I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still working as a 
firewall/NAT)

I just gave away a 386/8MHz which ran it. Slackware 4.0.

S.

-- 
Shevek
I am the Borg.

sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}

foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }





Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread the hatter
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Patrick Mulvany wrote:

   On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 06:25:34PM +, Shevek wrote:
   I'd have to check my P60s to find out the exact dates.
  
   Wow, I thought my PII-233 was old!
 
  386SX/25 ran my first linux box. But I think we've already done this.

 I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still
 working as a firewall/NAT)

I see your dx2-66, and raise(/lower) you my dx2-50.  Curses, if onlyI
hadn't found that machine in a skip a year or two back, I'd have undercut
you a whole load more, and been merely a sx-25 (this machine is purposely
old and crusty and too slow for most useful things - it's an incentive for
me not to fiddle with it and upgrade stuff... it's also in a handy small
case.  But when I found a machine with the new CPU in it, I felt that such
processing power was worth an upgrade, but not enough power for me to go
crazy with it)


the hatter





Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Simon Wilcox
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Shevek wrote:

 I just gave away a 386/8MHz which ran it. Slackware 4.0.

386/8MHz ? Thee were lucky lad !

When I were a boy I had to make do with an abacus !

An abacus ? Thee were lucky lad !

When I were a boy I had to make do with scratching in the dust with a 
rusty nail !

[ Repeat until someone throws a dead parrot at you ]


Simon.

-- 
Oh no, not again.
 





Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 10:37:04PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote:
When I were a boy I had to make do with scratching in the dust with a 
rusty nail !
[ Repeat until someone throws a dead parrot at you ]

http://www.smacdonald.com/songs/boy.html

Roger




Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Natalie S. Ford
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:01:45PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 Hmm, the 486 was around 93/94 wasnt it?

I had my first 486 when I started work in '90.  It was a RM.

-- 
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.  http://www.natalie.ourshack.org




Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Greg McCarroll
* the hatter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still
  working as a firewall/NAT)
 
 I see your dx2-66, and raise(/lower) you my dx2-50.  Curses, if onlyI
 hadn't found that machine in a skip a year or two back,


Hmm, the 486 was around 93/94 wasnt it? if so i raise you an original
indy which i am currently using as an X server and writing this email
on. the indy was released about 92/93 IIRC. and yes it has perl on it.
(its running debian if anyone is interested).

Greg

-- 
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Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl

2003-01-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:01:45PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * the hatter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still
   working as a firewall/NAT)
  
  I see your dx2-66, and raise(/lower) you my dx2-50.  Curses, if onlyI
  hadn't found that machine in a skip a year or two back,
 
 
 Hmm, the 486 was around 93/94 wasnt it? if so i raise you an original
 indy which i am currently using as an X server and writing this email
 on. the indy was released about 92/93 IIRC. and yes it has perl on it.
 (its running debian if anyone is interested).

Until a couple of years ago I had an IBM AT which still ran the original
DOS port of perl on its powerful 6MHz 80286 processor with 512KB of RAM
and 10MB of disk.

More excitingly, I had a DECStation 5000/200 of 1990 vintage which would
run the latest perl, but because it was running Ultrix wouldn't do
dynamic loading, so I ran a staticly linked tkperl.

Unfortunately, both remained in England when I didn't.  The latter had a
rather wonderful monitor which, along with the main box and two
expansion boxes, provided heat for the entire room.

-- 
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http://www.pjcj.net