pine editor derby, was Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Michel Rodriguez wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote; MR (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap... No AltGr on my keyboard, but Alt+# works in vi, but not in pico apparently, too bad I like using the native editor in pine. In your ~/.pinerc, make sure that enable-alternate-editor-cmd is one of the options selected under 'feature-list', and also set editor=/path/to/vim (or if you're the regressive type, editor=/path/to/vi) in the same file. That or search for the equivalent editor directives under the config options, by typing 'mscweditorenter' -- but the other way is faster :) Once the editor to use is enabled set, you can drop into it with ^_ (I think under older versions of Pine it was ^^ or something, but ^_ seems to be the keystroke on versions from the past year or two). If you want to use vi instead of pico always, select the option labeled enable-alternate-editor-implicitly -- this kind of screws up the display of message header info though, so personally I didn't care for this setting. Pico will do for most email for me anyway, but having the option to reach vim for more subtle formatting etc is nice to have. -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://devers.homeip.net:8080/resume/ integral, adj. (Of a solution) accurate to the nearest whole number, as: The PENTIUM has an integral FPU. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: pine editor derby, was Re: London.pm identity cards
If you want to use vi instead of pico always, select the option labeled enable-alternate-editor-implicitly -- this kind of screws up the display of message header info though, so personally I didn't care for this setting. How so? Dropping into it from mutt, the headers are nicely highlighted (where appropriate), and I've added a bit of magic to put me directly into input mode a line down from the headers... Does pine treat this so differently? +Pete
Re: pine editor derby, was Re: London.pm identity cards
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Peter Sergeant wrote: If you want to use vi instead of pico always, select the option labeled enable-alternate-editor-implicitly -- this kind of screws up the display of message header info though, so personally I didn't care for this setting. How so? Dropping into it from mutt, the headers are nicely highlighted (where appropriate), and I've added a bit of magic to put me directly into input mode a line down from the headers... Does pine treat this so differently? I like Pine a lot, but this is an area where I'll concede that Mutt does a better job -- but that's mainly because Pine Pico are pretty tightly integrated. long-winded explanation, because I'm having a hard time succinctly describing in plain text how this plain text application works... :-( In Pine, my default message composition interface -- at least for the first screenful of information, is something like this: From: Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Attchmnt: Subject : Re: pine editor derby, was Re: London.pm identity cards - Message Text - On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Peter Sergeant wrote: If you want to use vi instead of pico always, select the option [ a screenful of editable fields ... ] ^G Get Help ^X Send^R Read File ^Y Prev Pg ^K Cut Text ^O Postpone ^C Cancel ^J Justify ^_ Alt Edit ^V Next Pg ^U UnJustify ^T To Spell The lines up to /^- Message Text -$/ line are configurable, but they are distinct from the editable area itself. Also, the command help lines at the bottom display one set of commands when the cursor is in the header lines, and another set when in the message composition section. The example above is from message composition mode. If the message is long enough, you scroll away from the headers and then Pico gets the whole display area (minus the bottom command rows), but there's always a strong division between headers, message, and footers. The best description I can think of is to imagine these applications as if Pine Mutt were GUI applications or web pages. In Pine, the header rows are treated like labeled text fields, message body composition is a separate multi-row text area, and the footer command row is like a set of labeled buttons. This means that it is not possible, for example, to move the cursor onto any area other than the labeled areas in the header or the message composition section. From what I've used of Mutt, on the other hand, it seems like the whole screen is editable, so if it were a GUI then the whole area would be a text field, and you can (I think?) move the cursor anywhere within that region that you choose. In the background, Magic[tm] happens to make sure that special parts of that editable area are handled in special ways. (If I misunderstand that, feel free to correct me -- I'm not a Mutt user :) This is why handling of external editors works so non-smoothly in Pine. When you invoke an external editor, you go into a different full screen mode. Functionally, after you fill in the header lines and hit down or enter to leave the header lines, the screen is redrawn with Vim or Emacs or what have you, and the entire screen real estate is given to that editor to work on your message body. To get back to your header lines, you have to quit out of the editor, at which point you're dropped back to a screen like what you see above. The transition is hardly seamless. In GUI/browser terms, it's like filling in the header fields, then opening up a fully external application to edit the message body and only the message body. After you save your changes in that external application and quit out of it, you're dropped back into the original. Mutt, by contrast, seems to allow the external editor to control everything, so there isn't that sense of going through a tunnel to get to the editor -- Mutt itself is almost more like a proxy between $EDITOR and the mail system. I suspect that if the transition were to get any better in Pine, a way would have to be found to embed $EDITOR into the display area such that it can share that portion of the screen below the header lines (maybe) above the command lines -- like an applet $EDITOR, or something. Does this make sense? It's pretty straightforward, but I'm not sure if I'm describing it clearly, hence the rambling... :-/ -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://devers.homeip.net:8080/ throwaway, adj. (Of a program) sold below cost for public debugging. See also PROTOTYPING. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
London.pm identity cards
You know how people are always asking what it means to be a london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just have to be subscribed to the mailing list? Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking to see their ID cards. It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. A (Yep, I've got another day off work and it's raining. Idle minds, etc.)
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Andy Wardley wrote: You know how people are always asking what it means to be a london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just have to be subscribed to the mailing list? Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking to see their ID cards. It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
Re: London.pm identity cards
Je 2003-08-29 09:19:27 +0100, Andy Wardley skribis: It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. I saw an RFID bug recently - they're imminently swallowable, or even winky-insert-up-able (kacoens^ovebla). Mmm, a vibrating London.pm (at strictly ultra high frequencies, natch). Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If bees make honey, then my sofa wouldn't speak through my guest's bottoms. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
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Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? *That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and *instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking *to see their ID cards. :) Well, I'll put it to you this way...I've never had a problem picking out perl people in a crowd e.
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Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; What, no HTML email? ;-) -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; What, no HTML email? ;-) I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?). Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
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Je 2003-08-29 09:58:40 +0100, Dominic Mitchell skribis: Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; pound; might be easier for some to remember. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html Paul, who prefers the 'q' suffix: I found 10q in some old jeans. -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is how big is the sky? This is not the time for questions! This is the time for action! -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote; MR (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap... -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well.
Re: London.pm identity cards
Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID *cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?). http://www.axis-of-aevil.org/photos/yapc2003/IMG_1812.html Just have people be the XML :) e.
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:07AM +0200, Michel Rodriguez wrote:
I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID
cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?).
XML? Huh!
rdf:RDF
xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
xmlns:foaf=http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/;
foaf:Group
foaf:nameLondon Perl Mongers/foaf:name
foaf:homepage rdf:resource=http://london.pm.org//
foaf:member
foaf:Person
foaf:nameEarle Martin/foaf:name
foaf:mbox_sha1sum8699ba79a95abf86e0055c133bf5d87ceab921e9/foaf:mbox_sha1sum
foaf:homepage rdf:resource=http://downlode.org/
/foaf:Person
/foaf:member
/foaf:Group
/rdf:RDF
--
# Earle Martin http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EarleMartin
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Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well. That sounds like a quote from TWK, or someone like him. That's the second pseudo-Kornerism you've sigged us with today. Is there a reason? Ben, curious now
Re: London.pm identity cards
Je 2003-08-29 10:35:13 +0100, Ben skribis: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well. That sounds like a quote from TWK, or someone like him. Or pretty much any of the older Cambridge lecturers. I'm quite sure I've heard something word for word in at least one Maths xerox sess^W^Wlecture. Similarly, in a tutorial, I'm not here to teach, I'm here to research. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is beauty? Weblogs. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote; MR (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap... No AltGr on my keyboard, but Alt+# works in vi, but not in pico apparently, too bad I like using the native editor in pine. The cut-n-paste versions seems to work though: £ (although don't ask me what encoding I am using, ssh-ing from a Unicode enabled terminal to a machine that does not support Unicode and using pine there is a source of neverending headaches :--( To go back to the ID card subject, we have it in France, and I haven't been asked to show it by the police once in the last 10 years. It is mostly used when taking the plane, when you pay a purchase by check and as a proof of citizenship when dealing with bureaucracy. Interestingly enough a passport is not actually a proof of citizenship, at least in France and Canada [1][2]. Note that the bureaucracy here also seems to think that there are various levels of ID cards: they deny that the one I hold is a proof of citizenship, as it was delivered abroad and is not one of those shiny new safe ones they started delivering at the height of the xenophobia wave of the early 90's Bottom line, I believe the law that forces you to carry your ID at all times is yet an other way of allowing the police to harass people they don't like, while never being used against proper citizens (the definition of proper varying with each law enforcement personel, but generally not including anyone too dark-skinned) [1] http://www.france.diplomatie.fr/etrangers/vivre/passeport/ Qu'est-ce que le passeport ? C'est un document de voyage qui permet à son titulaire de circuler à l'étranger. Tout en n'en constituant pas la preuve, il établit une présomption de la nationalité de son titulaire. loose translation: ([A passport] is a travel document that allows its bearer to travel abroad. Although it is not a proof of citizenship, it hints at it (I love this sentence!) [2] http://www.ppt.gc.ca/faq/index_e.asp#232 ...A Canadian passport is an official travel document to identify the bearer, not proof of citizenship... Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:35, Ben wrote;
Be That's the second pseudo-Kornerism you've sigged us with
Be today. Is there a reason?
Sheer chance I'm afraid :-)
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Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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.ignature;$t=`cat $s`;print$t,\n,$q[rand($#q)],\n;
