Re: Changing namserver whois record
On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 09:16:26PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: for instance .. if you upload changes to the .uk root servers, you will notice the whois record on whois.nic.uk chnages immediately ... however the host records are only updated at ~4am, until that point the two records are Unless you're ebay.co.uk, of course. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Changing namserver whois record
Hello, Paul. A really off-toppic question, but easy to figure out what's going on under the hood. Your old ISP hasn't changed it's name server yet (or not propagated new maps correctly). I consulted the SOA for your domain (srl.org) from here, and it seems to point to the new place (as far as I know). I would bet on the Smoke and Mirrors option, to start with. Most of the internet domain name registars provide a nice web-driven interface to change things on your domain. Normally, that website address comes with your documentation for the domain. Please consult your documentation. Presumably, you're using Verisign GRS as your registar. -- [whois.crsnic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Server Name: SRL.ORG Registrar: VERISIGN GRS (ORG) Whois Server: whois.verisign-grs.com Referral URL: http://www.verisign-grs.com Last update of whois database: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:44:03 EST The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and Registrars. -- I hope that helps. Kind regards. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist OCP DBA Oracle Senior Unix Sys Admin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Original Message - From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: London.pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Changing namserver whois record A friend of mine has srl.org which is listed in whois as a nameserver with a particular IP. Bulkregister isn't helping with changing the IP and is saying it's become much more difficult since the .org change-over. Is this smoke mirrors or is there some truth behind it? Anyone know how to change a registered nameserver's IP these days? It seems that looking up the address (`host srl.org`) returns the A record without consulting the nameservers, presumably since it's registered with an A record by dint of being a whois-known nameserver. I didn't realise the gTLD servers did that. What a pain in the arse. penderel:~$ ns srl.org | perl -ne '/\S+$/ print `host srl.org $`' srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 penderel:~$ host srl.org srl.org A 64.81.251.171 penderel:~$ Either that or I've made a mistake here somewhere :-) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is the difference between symbolism and surrealism? A childish retort. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Changing namserver whois record
On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 03:47:03PM -0300, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: A really off-toppic question, but easy to figure out what's going on under the hood. Your old ISP hasn't changed it's name server yet (or not propagated new maps correctly). Are you sure about this? It looks like bad glue to me.. I consulted the SOA for your domain (srl.org) from here, and it seems to point to the new place (as far as I know). It looks to me like the .org servers provide A records for domains within that zone, and so the resolver never consults the nameservers for srl.org. I thought that was only done to provide glue to in-bailwick nameservers (i.e., servers within the domain that has been delegated to them), and therefore would be a .org registry problem. I've never heard of a problem with the .org registry, but I guess anything is possible. You'd have to be poor to be worse than NetSol tho'... Cheers, Alex.
Re: Changing namserver whois record
Alex Hudson said: I've never heard of a problem with the .org registry, but I guess anything is possible. You'd have to be poor to be worse than NetSol tho'... well, the .org registry has been moved away from Verisign recently of course. The actual transition apparently happened back on Jan27. Maybe this problem is down to the transition? I know that when i recently looked at the registration/transfer stuff of the company dealing with my domain i found this notice: We regret that .org registrations transfers are suspended whilst the .org registry is being migrated to a new registrar. So it could be that things haven't settled down completely yet? Jody Belka
Re: Changing namserver whois record
There's no problem on the registry side for creating/deleting/updating a .org nameserver. Just tried creating one here, and doing all the above. You will run into problems though, if you try to add a new .org nameserver to Verisign, as they still think they are authorative for em, and don't allow the change. Mark. On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:11:36 + From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: London.pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Changing namserver whois record A friend of mine has srl.org which is listed in whois as a nameserver with a particular IP. Bulkregister isn't helping with changing the IP and is saying it's become much more difficult since the .org change-over. Is this smoke mirrors or is there some truth behind it? Anyone know how to change a registered nameserver's IP these days? It seems that looking up the address (`host srl.org`) returns the A record without consulting the nameservers, presumably since it's registered with an A record by dint of being a whois-known nameserver. I didn't realise the gTLD servers did that. What a pain in the arse. penderel:~$ ns srl.org | perl -ne '/\S+$/ print `host srl.org $`' srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 penderel:~$ host srl.org srl.org A 64.81.251.171 penderel:~$ Either that or I've made a mistake here somewhere :-) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is the difference between symbolism and surrealism? A childish retort. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Changing namserver whois record
Doing a quick dig:- dig srl.org ns ; DiG 9.2.1 srl.org ns ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13661 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;srl.org. IN NS ;; ANSWER SECTION: srl.org.3583IN NS ns2.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.3583IN NS ns3.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.3583IN NS ns1.realprogrammers.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.realprogrammers.com. 172783 IN A 195.82.114.220 ns2.realprogrammers.com. 172783 IN A 64.173.182.158 ns3.realprogrammers.com. 172783 IN A 207.111.205.245 and dig srl.org soa ; DiG 9.2.1 srl.org soa ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60183 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;srl.org. IN SOA ;; ANSWER SECTION: srl.org.3600IN SOA ns1.realprogrammers.com. hostmaster.realprogrammers.com. 2003020801 7200 3600 604800 86400 This all seems nice and self consistant. A (j)whois srl.org won't work as it stands because internic are no longer authoritative for .org. However, this shouldn't matter. Remember that the whois stuff is there for human consumption. The DNS system doesn't use it, only registrars and people like us do. In order to query the .org whois you need to use the correct server which is: whois.publicinterestregistry.net or you can try: http://whois.bw.org/ The whois entry confirms the above dig information. Dirk On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 18:11, Paul Makepeace wrote: A friend of mine has srl.org which is listed in whois as a nameserver with a particular IP. Bulkregister isn't helping with changing the IP and is saying it's become much more difficult since the .org change-over. Is this smoke mirrors or is there some truth behind it? Anyone know how to change a registered nameserver's IP these days? It seems that looking up the address (`host srl.org`) returns the A record without consulting the nameservers, presumably since it's registered with an A record by dint of being a whois-known nameserver. I didn't realise the gTLD servers did that. What a pain in the arse. penderel:~$ ns srl.org | perl -ne '/\S+$/ print `host srl.org $`' srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 penderel:~$ host srl.org srl.org A 64.81.251.171 penderel:~$ Either that or I've made a mistake here somewhere :-) Paul -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: Changing namserver whois record
On Monday 17 February 2003 18:11, Paul Makepeace wrote: It seems that looking up the address (`host srl.org`) returns the A record without consulting the nameservers, presumably since it's registered with an A record by dint of being a whois-known nameserver. I didn't realise the gTLD servers did that. What a pain in the arse. penderel:~$ ns srl.org | perl -ne '/\S+$/ print `host srl.org $`' srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 penderel:~$ host srl.org srl.org A 64.81.251.171 penderel:~$ right ... what you have here is an unwanted glue record: in the dig stuff below you will see the line: srl.org.172800 IN A 64.81.251.171 that is coming directly from the .org root server. the query is never referred to your nameservers as the .org root server is able to give an authoratative answer ... and helpfully it is 4 days TTL .. so at best it will be friday before it gets sorted :) AFAIK the only way to get rid of these is to make a request to the registrar to do it manually, as it is rarely possible using the sh1tty web forms. (ask a certain dave hodg about the fun we had with a glue record for www.blah) ## [robin@workstation robin]$ dig @E5.NSTLD.COM srl.org a +norecurse ; DiG 9.1.3 @E5.NSTLD.COM srl.org a ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 39381 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;srl.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: srl.org.172800 IN A 64.81.251.171 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: srl.org.86400 IN NS ns3.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.86400 IN NS ns2.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.86400 IN NS ns1.realprogrammers.com. # -- Robin Szemeti
Re: Changing namserver whois record
On Monday 17 February 2003 18:11, Paul Makepeace wrote: A friend of mine has srl.org which is listed in whois as a nameserver and to correct a common misconception .. the nameservers are not listed in the whois record .. well .. they are listed in whois record, but thats a human readable thing not really involved in DNS per-se ... its the host record / zone file of the .org root servers that does the business .. they are derived from the whois record .. BUT ( and I believe this is vaguely important) the contents of the whois record are not used by the DNS system in anyway .. its the host record/zonefile that counts. for instance .. if you upload changes to the .uk root servers, you will notice the whois record on whois.nic.uk chnages immediately ... however the host records are only updated at ~4am, until that point the two records are differetn ... but when the root servers are updated thats when the changes start to occur in the DNS sytem, not before. -- Robin Szemeti
Re: Changing namserver whois record
On Monday 17 February 2003 18:11, Paul Makepeace wrote: It seems that looking up the address (`host srl.org`) returns the A record without consulting the nameservers, presumably since it's registered with an A record by dint of being a whois-known nameserver. I didn't realise the gTLD servers did that. What a pain in the arse. penderel:~$ ns srl.org | perl -ne '/\S+$/ print `host srl.org $`' srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 srl.org A 208.44.199.253 penderel:~$ host srl.org srl.org A 64.81.251.171 penderel:~$ right ... what you have here is an unwanted glue record: in the dig stuff below you will see the line: srl.org.172800 IN A 64.81.251.171 that is coming directly from the .org root server. the query is never referred to your nameservers as the .org root server is able to give an authoratative answer ... and helpfully it is 4 days TTL .. so at best it will be friday before it gets sorted :) AFAIK the only way to get rid of these is to make a request to the registrar to do it manually, as it is rarely possible using the sh1tty web forms. (ask a certain dave hodg about the fun we had with a glue record for www.blah) ## [robin@workstation robin]$ dig @E5.NSTLD.COM srl.org a +norecurse ; DiG 9.1.3 @E5.NSTLD.COM srl.org a ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 39381 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;srl.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: srl.org.172800 IN A 64.81.251.171 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: srl.org.86400 IN NS ns3.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.86400 IN NS ns2.realprogrammers.com. srl.org.86400 IN NS ns1.realprogrammers.com. # -- Robin Szemeti
