Stokers Required

[Earle Martin]

...for a brain furnace that isn't working.

This whole self-teaching thing really isn't working out. Where can I hire
someone patient for one-on-one Perl lessons, and how much will it cost me?


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Re: Stokers Required

[Ian Brayshaw]

On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 03:13, Earle Martin wrote:
> ...for a brain furnace that isn't working.
> 
> This whole self-teaching thing really isn't working out. Where can I hire
> someone patient for one-on-one Perl lessons, and how much will it cost me?

Are you looking for a formal "Look! I got a certificate"-thing, or
something that could be achieved over a beer?

Where are you based?


Ian


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Re: Stokers Required

[Earle Martin]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 03:16:51AM +, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
> > This whole self-teaching thing really isn't working out. Where can I hire
> > someone patient for one-on-one Perl lessons, and how much will it cost me?
> 
> Are you looking for a formal "Look! I got a certificate"-thing, or
> something that could be achieved over a beer?

Neither. I don't care about certificates, I just want someone to teach me
what the hell I'm supposed to be doing, piece by piece.
 
> Where are you based?

That London.
 
E.

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Re: Stokers Required

[Leon Brocard]

Earle Martin sent the following bits through the ether:

> This whole self-teaching thing really isn't working out. Where can I hire
> someone patient for one-on-one Perl lessons, and how much will it cost me?

I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of thing. Is
anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl evening? Perhaps something
like reading through Learning Perl a chapter a week with assignments,
a mailing list, and a real life meet every week.

Leon
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Re: Stokers Required

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:

> I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of thing. Is
> anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl evening? Perhaps something
> like reading through Learning Perl a chapter a week with assignments,
> a mailing list, and a real life meet every week.

The problem I foresee with this is picking a night of the week that is the
impracticality of the cat herding.  Simply picking a night of the week
where everyone who wants to be involved is free and doesn't have
faimly/work/social commitments is always a problem.

I said I was going to be organising a mentoring system for London.pm at
some point in the next year.  Since it's come up, this seems like a good a
time as any to bring it up again.

I'm very wary of potentially over-organising such a thing - I don't want
to see another mailing list start and then die.  Let's keep it simple for
now;  I propose that anyone who would like a little Perl mentoring email
me off list[1], and I'll try and match them up with a 'tutor' - one of the
people that I've discussed this kind of thing with.

For now, it's important that the trainee be allowed to go at his or her
own pace and not feel like they're signing themselves up for something
overwhelming.  Once we've got this process started I think there might be
a place for weekly meets such as Leon suggested.

Hoping to hear from you.

Wax on, wax off.

Mark.

[1] Please include name, location (approximate area of London if you live here)
and some kind of idea of how much Perl and other types of
programming you've done.

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Re: Stokers Required

[Dave Cross]

From: Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2/24/03 9:19:56 AM
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:
>
>> I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of 
>> thing. Is anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl 
>> evening? Perhaps something like reading through Learning 
>> Perl a chapter a week with assignments, a mailing list, 
>> and a real life meet every week.
>
> The problem I foresee with this is picking a night of the 
> week that is the impracticality of the cat herding.  
> Simply picking a night of the week where everyone who 
> wants to be involved is free and doesn't have 
> faimly/work/social commitments is always a problem.

So don't do that. Pick a night that your trainers can make -
as that is generally a smaller group than the set of traineers.

> I said I was going to be organising a mentoring system for
> London.pm at some point in the next year.  Since it's come
> up, this seems like a good a time as any to bring it up 
> again.
>
> I'm very wary of potentially over-organising such a thing 
> - I don't want to see another mailing list start and then 
> die.  Let's keep it simple for now;  I propose that anyone
> who would like a little Perl mentoring email me off 
> list[1], and I'll try and match them up with a 'tutor' - 
> one of the people that I've discussed this kind of thing 
> with.

I don't think you've discussed this kind of thing with me, but
I'd certainly like to be involved. As a mentor not a mentee.

Dave...

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Re: Stokers Required

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:19:56AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:
> > I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of thing. Is
> > anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl evening? Perhaps something
> > like reading through Learning Perl a chapter a week with assignments,
> > a mailing list, and a real life meet every week.
> The problem I foresee with this is picking a night of the week that is the
> impracticality of the cat herding.  Simply picking a night of the week
> where everyone who wants to be involved is free and doesn't have
> faimly/work/social commitments is always a problem.

Then do what I do with sinema trips - pick a date and if a few people can't
make it, tough.

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   file, but asking a group of Perl Mongers clearly isn't
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Re: Stokers Required

[S Watkins]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:

I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of thing. Is
anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl evening? Perhaps something
like reading through Learning Perl a chapter a week with assignments,
a mailing list, and a real life meet every week.
The problem I foresee with this is picking a night of the week that is the
impracticality of the cat herding.  Simply picking a night of the week
where everyone who wants to be involved is free and doesn't have
faimly/work/social commitments is always a problem.
There are only two things that could "make" a person turn up for a certain date: 
conscription (even then that's questionable) and death!

The analogy with herding cats is valid, but you have to look at it from the 
other end of the transaction. You don't "herd" cats, you attract them. Try 
getting four cats into a room with force and you end up hot, bruised, cut and 
distinctly miffed with the experience. Go into the room and open a can of cat 
food however *grin*

In other words, run the night as you will. Pick a night that's convenient from 
the angle(s) of availability of space, and the likelihood that the event will be 
a regular one (not hop about nights or be cancelled at short notice a lot). Make 
the night interesting so that those that attend feel they have got something out 
of the experience. They will tell their friends/network, and slowly the numbers 
will build up.

I think it sounds a really good idea. Go for it!

Steve
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Re: Stokers Required

[Robin Szemeti]

On Monday 24 February 2003 13:39, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:19:56AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:
> > > I wonder if more people are interested in this kind of thing. Is
> > > anyone interested in a weekly learning Perl evening? Perhaps something
> > > like reading through Learning Perl a chapter a week with assignments,
> > > a mailing list, and a real life meet every week.
> >
> > The problem I foresee with this is picking a night of the week that is
> > the impracticality of the cat herding.  Simply picking a night of the
> > week where everyone who wants to be involved is free and doesn't have
> > faimly/work/social commitments is always a problem.
>
> Then do what I do with sinema trips - pick a date and if a few people can't
> make it, tough.

I think the technical term for this is "JFDI" ... :) ... anyway .. I say do 
it.  Its something we've talked about a lot in the past both on here and in 
'another place' .. there is mileage in it ... let the party commence.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Re: Stokers Required

[Ben]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 04:37:03PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> 
> I think the technical term for this is "JFDI" ... :) ... anyway .. I say do 
> it.  Its something we've talked about a lot in the past both on here and in 
> 'another place' .. there is mileage in it ... let the party commence.

I'm starting to think that JFDI, just like SWS and Interesting Times, is actually
a virus. Someone (looking at no-one in particular) seems to have infected me with 
JFDI recently.

Ben

Re: Stokers Required

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Robin Szemeti wrote:

> I think the technical term for this is "JFDI" ... :) ... anyway .. I say do
> it.  Its something we've talked about a lot in the past both on here and in
> 'another place' .. there is mileage in it ... let the party commence.

Congrats Robin, I think you just volunteered to organise this.  Come up
with a plan (dates, times, venues.)  And get back to to the list.  If you
want any help with anything, let me know via email/msg/sms/carrier
pigeon.

Mark.

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Re: Stokers Required

[Natalie Ford]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:18:18 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote:
> Congrats Robin, I think you just volunteered to organise this.  Come up
> with a plan (dates, times, venues.)  And get back to to the list.  If you
> want any help with anything, let me know via email/msg/sms/carrier
> pigeon.

Um, is Robin actually anywhere near That London?  ;-)

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