Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 March 2011 00:55, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a logistical nightmare? I've had a few people say they wished they could have made tonight... If you wish to get the presenters written permission, and check if the venu is ok for each technical meeting, then actually video the talks and upload them I'm sure http://www.presentingperl.org/ would host them. But a live webcast would be asking too much of the venues. So great idea if you/several people have the time. Leo
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 08:17 +, Leo Lapworth wrote: If you wish to get the presenters written permission, and check if the venu is ok for each technical meeting, then actually video the talks and upload them I'm sure http://www.presentingperl.org/ would host them. But a live webcast would be asking too much of the venues. How about a single stream webcast from the venue which is then proxied by an external host which doesn't have the same bandwidth or other resource limits? Of course this would only be possible if the venue can provide at least 500kb/s of upload bandwidth and isn't affected by bandwidth usage limits.
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 08:42, Jason Clifford wrote: How about a single stream webcast from the venue which is then proxied by an external host which doesn't have the same bandwidth or other resource limits? Yeah, it's pretty easy to whack that pipeline together (if you have the bits in both senses). Linux laptop, webcam, ffmpeg, script in $language, server. In fact that sounds like a good weekend project... -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 09:01, Leo Lapworth wrote: On 11 March 2011 08:53, Andy Armstrong a...@hexten.net wrote: On 11 Mar 2011, at 08:42, Jason Clifford wrote: How about a single stream webcast from the venue which is then proxied by an external host which doesn't have the same bandwidth or other resource limits? Yeah, it's pretty easy to whack that pipeline together (if you have the bits in both senses). Linux laptop, webcam, ffmpeg, script in $language, server. And when we have a meeting in a Pub with no internet? - or the venu doesn't allow non-employees on their network - etc etc etc I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). People seem to like live stuff. Some weird psychological immediacy thing. Also, balls to the linux/ffmpeg thing. Stop being hippies and use Ustream.tv. It was good enough for our wedding which we livecast and got a couple of hundred viewers worldwide. I'd rather not put extra requirements on a venu (which is hard enough to find as it is) and asking our kind hosts to provide more facilities could be an imposition. That said - if a venu is happy enough for this and someone has the time to sort it all Although if someone has all this time, maybe they could write a talk instead :)
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On 11 Mar 2011, at 09:01, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). People seem to like live stuff. Some weird psychological immediacy thing. There (w|s)ould also be the ability to ask questions/comment via chat. -- Michael
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 10:24, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On 11 Mar 2011, at 10:05, Simon Wilcox wrote: On 11/03/2011 09:53, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Also, balls to the linux/ffmpeg thing. Stop being hippies and use Ustream.tv. It was good enough for our wedding which we livecast and got a couple of hundred viewers worldwide. Great, so you have the experience and are volunteering to do the next one. Thanks Dave. Just flinging poo. My DV cam got nicked on tour so I'm hardwareless. I could give it a stab though.
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 10:05, Simon Wilcox wrote: On 11/03/2011 09:53, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Also, balls to the linux/ffmpeg thing. Stop being hippies and use Ustream.tv. It was good enough for our wedding which we livecast and got a couple of hundred viewers worldwide. Great, so you have the experience and are volunteering to do the next one. Thanks Dave. Just flinging poo. My DV cam got nicked on tour so I'm hardwareless.
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
Yeah, it's pretty easy to whack that pipeline together (if you have the bits in both senses). Linux laptop, webcam, ffmpeg, script in $language, server. And when we have a meeting in a Pub with no internet? - or the venu doesn't allow non-employees on their network - etc etc etc Then it doesn't work :) I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). I suppose if you have a live webcast you can then have a distributed QA session after the talk. To be clear I'm saying it'd be a fun thing to do - I'm not suggesting that it's going to significantly improve the quality of anyone's life. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 10:28, Andy Armstrong wrote: Yeah, it's pretty easy to whack that pipeline together (if you have the bits in both senses). Linux laptop, webcam, ffmpeg, script in $language, server. And when we have a meeting in a Pub with no internet? - or the venu doesn't allow non-employees on their network - etc etc etc Then it doesn't work :) I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). I suppose if you have a live webcast you can then have a distributed QA session after the talk. To be clear I'm saying it'd be a fun thing to do - I'm not suggesting that it's going to significantly improve the quality of anyone's life. I had enough people saying they wished they could have been there to lead me to believe the audience would have been much larger.
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:28:04AM +, Andy Armstrong wrote: Yeah, it's pretty easy to whack that pipeline together (if you have the bits in both senses). Linux laptop, webcam, ffmpeg, script in $language, server. And when we have a meeting in a Pub with no internet? - or the venu doesn't allow non-employees on their network - etc etc etc Then it doesn't work :) I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). I suppose if you have a live webcast you can then have a distributed QA session after the talk. To be clear I'm saying it'd be a fun thing to do - I'm not suggesting that it's going to significantly improve the quality of anyone's life. I actually think that broadcasting live will make things *worse*. [So prove me wrong] Assuming that it *is* viable to make a recording of a talk, and upload it later, then that means: A: You want it live? You have to attend. or B: You can't attend? No worries, you'll get it with a delay If you can get it live, streamed, then: A B: You want it live? No worries, you don't need to attend. At which point, what's the incentive for attending? Surely the dynamic will effectively switch from theater to live studio broadcast. In which case, why not go the whole hog and make *decent* screencasts that act better as Marketing? Nicholas Clark
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:40:04AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I had enough people saying they wished they could have been there to lead me to believe the audience would have been much larger. People will generally do this, it's called being nice. A: I'm performing tomorrow, you should come B: Oh, erm, I'd love to but I can't, maybe you could record it -- Richard Clamp richa...@unixbeard.net
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11/03/2011 08:17, Leo Lapworth wrote: On 11 March 2011 00:55, Dave Hodgkinsondaveh...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a logistical nightmare? I've had a few people say they wished they could have made tonight... If you wish to get the presenters written permission, and check if the venu is ok for each technical meeting, then actually video the talks and upload them I'm sure http://www.presentingperl.org/ would host them. PresentingPerl would host them and would offer login details (for trusted individuals) to upload them without any need to ask permission afterwards. Process is very simple and I will be happy to explain it to anyone who is interested in uploading. But a live webcast would be asking too much of the venues. So great idea if you/several people have the time. Leo -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation co-Leader | North West England Perl Mongers http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://northwestengland.pm.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11 Mar 2011, at 10:46, Nicholas Clark wrote: Surely the dynamic will effectively switch from theater to live studio broadcast. In which case, why not go the whole hog and make *decent* screencasts that act better as Marketing? Alternately it might make the event more 'real' in some sense for people who could have attended but didn't for whatever reason. I don't know. However - big +1 to the idea of decent screencasts. As usual tuits will be the problem. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Nicholas Clark wrote: A B: You want it live? No worries, you don't need to attend. At which point, what's the incentive for attending? Speaking personally the incentive to attend any meeting is facetime with people I know and networking with people I don't. The reason I don't attend is because its quite timeconsuming and expensive for me to get to London (and I have to leave at 9pm or I miss the last connection home). Surely the dynamic will effectively switch from theater to live studio broadcast. In which case, why not go the whole hog and make *decent* screencasts that act better as Marketing? I suspect that getting the quality of a live feed good enough to read the slides could be somthing of a sticking point. -- Michael
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:53:47AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: People seem to like live stuff. Some weird psychological immediacy thing. God knows why. The reason I wasn't there is that I had something better to do. That means that I wouldn't have been able to watch a live broadcast anyway. A downloadable video is much better, as I can simply dump it onto my phone and watch whenever's convenient. Such as this morning on the train to work. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire Support terrierism! Adopt a dog today!
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On 11/03/2011 11:09, Michael Lush wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Nicholas Clark wrote: A B: You want it live? No worries, you don't need to attend. At which point, what's the incentive for attending? Speaking personally the incentive to attend any meeting is facetime with people I know and networking with people I don't. The reason I don't attend is because its quite timeconsuming and expensive for me to get to London (and I have to leave at 9pm or I miss the last connection home). I have had to leave before 8:30 and only just caught the last train :-/ I personally like the idea of edited highlights as well as the gory details :-) Also post editing means you can have a synced slide feed attached. Jacqui
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:01:38AM +, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'm not sure what the advantage of a live webcast is over someone uploading it the next day? It would also be better to have it available for posterity rather than just live (I'm sure both could be done). I agree with Leo. If I can't make a tech meet it is usually because I have something else on that night (and last night I had two other things on!). So a live cast isnt going to help me. OK other people might be unable to get to the meet for other reasons. My thoughts are in order of importance - Slides + Audio - Video I have often found the video by itself doesnt give a clear view of the slides. Andrew
Re: Webcasting the tech meets?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:53, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Also, balls to the linux/ffmpeg thing. Stop being hippies and use Ustream.tv. ustream.tv is the right answer these days for ad-hoc video; some others are better if you want a whiteboard/chat. There are even solutions that use bonded mobile phones that can broadcast decent quality basically anywhere you can get a mobile data connection, http://www.eddie.com/2011/03/10/streaming-music-from-sxsw/ Webcasting events in other parts of the world is commonplace and straightforward: you have one person show up with a camera laptop, point at the stage, twewt the URL, job done. (Debating the relative merits of live v. delayed v. in-person is moot for someone that actually wants to see it live!) Paul
Webcasting the tech meets?
Is this a logistical nightmare? I've had a few people say they wished they could have made tonight...
