Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
Am 11.02.2015 09:04, schrieb Denis Croombs: On 11/02/2015 07:24, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Hmmm - that's interesting. What about graphics speed when showing animated transitions in PowerPoint or Impress? What about speed with flash-decorated websites (e.g. carousel with images or ad video at the top of the page)? These are the bottlenecks in our environment. Can you tell me something from your experience with the pi's here? Rolf It is actually very interesting in that so far we are finding very little difference between the PI/LTSP speed when you RDP onto the Server 2008r2 desktop and a windows 7 pc RDP onto the same Server 2008r2 desktop on BIG website pages, they are slightly slower than the same page on a new windows 7 PC, but we are still working to narrow that pi/ltsp to win7 PC speed gap. (so far this looks like the server HDD (80 to 120 server 2008r2 desktops) is the bottle neck so we have changed from raid 5 to raid 50 to help fix that. But for our normal customer service agents it makes no difference it is only the power users/supervisors in the teams who notice the difference, but we are continuing to roll out the setup to our 50+ teams all with different requirements. Regards Denis Oh, that sounds promising. After all, a pi isn't that expensive, maybe I should get one and give it a try ;) Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
On 11/02/2015 07:24, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Hmmm - that's interesting. What about graphics speed when showing animated transitions in PowerPoint or Impress? What about speed with flash-decorated websites (e.g. carousel with images or ad video at the top of the page)? These are the bottlenecks in our environment. Can you tell me something from your experience with the pi's here? Rolf It is actually very interesting in that so far we are finding very little difference between the PI/LTSP speed when you RDP onto the Server 2008r2 desktop and a windows 7 pc RDP onto the same Server 2008r2 desktop on BIG website pages, they are slightly slower than the same page on a new windows 7 PC, but we are still working to narrow that pi/ltsp to win7 PC speed gap. (so far this looks like the server HDD (80 to 120 server 2008r2 desktops) is the bottle neck so we have changed from raid 5 to raid 50 to help fix that. But for our normal customer service agents it makes no difference it is only the power users/supervisors in the teams who notice the difference, but we are continuing to roll out the setup to our 50+ teams all with different requirements. Regards Denis -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
That's good news, and a nice page! I browsed through it, and even without drinking so much coffee :) I have a question: What kind of kernel does the RasPi load here? You wrote there is actually no need for an i386 kernel, but is there yet another one? Another question is RAM. You say, 128 MB is enough. I have a group of PIII (Dell Optiplex something...) terminals here with 128 MB, and it's not enough. They get into LDM, then crash. With 256 MB, they run ok (though rather slowly). Any idea? Regards Rolf Am 10.02.2015 11:06, schrieb Harry Lavender: Hi Rolf, The new Raspberry Pi's will make excellent thin clients. I have a guide here for the model B+, but I will be updating it once I get round to acquiring a new raspberry pi B2. www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ On 10/02/15 09:13, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
Hi Rolf, The new Raspberry Pi's will make excellent thin clients. I have a guide here for the model B+, but I will be updating it once I get round to acquiring a new raspberry pi B2. www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ On 10/02/15 09:13, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Regards Harry Lavender Systems Administrator Severn Delta Limited DDI 01278 726278 Tel 01278 428200 Fax 01278 458766 Showground Road, Bridgwater, Somerset TA6 6AJ Company Number 4269451 VAT Registration GB793728185 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
I'm not entirely sure how BerryTerminal works, but since ARM cannot execute x86 code (i386 build of LTSP), I'd guess that it uses LDM and some kind of RDP mixture. You can build a AMD64 kernel, but I find this pointless, as i386 is compatible with all clients, as in extreme cases we have a couple of super old 32 bit machines kicking about. What window manager do you use? As the X server runs on the local client, a heavier desktop will probably leave the system without any memory, good examples of heavy desktops are Unity and the like, along with Gnome3. Cheers, Harry On 10/02/15 10:58, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: That's good news, and a nice page! I browsed through it, and even without drinking so much coffee :) I have a question: What kind of kernel does the RasPi load here? You wrote there is actually no need for an i386 kernel, but is there yet another one? Another question is RAM. You say, 128 MB is enough. I have a group of PIII (Dell Optiplex something...) terminals here with 128 MB, and it's not enough. They get into LDM, then crash. With 256 MB, they run ok (though rather slowly). Any idea? Regards Rolf Am 10.02.2015 11:06, schrieb Harry Lavender: Hi Rolf, The new Raspberry Pi's will make excellent thin clients. I have a guide here for the model B+, but I will be updating it once I get round to acquiring a new raspberry pi B2. www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ On 10/02/15 09:13, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Regards Harry Lavender Systems Administrator Severn Delta Limited DDI 01278 726278 Tel 01278 428200 Fax 01278 458766 Showground Road, Bridgwater, Somerset TA6 6AJ Company Number 4269451 VAT Registration GB793728185 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
On 2015-02-10, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. They might make decent thin clients, though it may take a while for the kernel support to get upstream, especially with all supported features. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? They probably don't do genuine PXE booting, but there is support for emulating PXE boot in recent versions of u-boot (a bootloader commonly used on many ARM boards). live well, vagrant signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
On 2015-02-10, Harry Lavender wrote: I'm not entirely sure how BerryTerminal works, but since ARM cannot execute x86 code (i386 build of LTSP), I'd guess that it uses LDM and some kind of RDP mixture. Last I looked, BerryTerminal was just a build of various LTSP software such as LDM, ltspfs, etc. and a core operating system that emulates an LTSP thin client. With a thin client, most of the code that the user interacts with is running on the server, and merely displayed to the thin client. This is no different weather the client is running i386 code and the server is running amd64 code, or if the client is running ARM code and the server is i386. live well, vagrant signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
On 2015-02-10, Harry Lavender wrote: The new Raspberry Pi's will make excellent thin clients. I have a guide here for the model B+, but I will be updating it once I get round to acquiring a new raspberry pi B2. www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ The instructions to install an i386 LTSP environment would only be needed if you want to run i386 compatible thin clients, which wouldn't be any of the raspberry pi boards or odroid c1, which are ARM based. You should be able to install berryterminal on your clients, or genuine LTSP for ARM without installing any i386 LTSP chroots on your server. Arguably the rpi2 and odroid c1 would actually make decent fat clients... live well, vagrant signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
We use the original pi's and berry term with ltsp and then each person uses xfreerdp to remote windows server 2008r2 desktops as windows pc's the ltsp is locked and so the people do not even see it, but it works for 50 plus people in our teams of staff I believe the new pi's may not give too much of a speed increase when using berry term but not sure about using them as pxe boot devices because of the CPU support. Kind Regards Denis Croombs 00353 861729383 Sent from my iPhone On 10 Feb 2015, at 09:13, Rolf-Werner Eilert eilert-sprac...@t-online.de wrote: Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] New Rpi or Odroic C1 for LTSP?
Hmmm - that's interesting. What about graphics speed when showing animated transitions in PowerPoint or Impress? What about speed with flash-decorated websites (e.g. carousel with images or ad video at the top of the page)? These are the bottlenecks in our environment. Can you tell me something from your experience with the pi's here? Rolf Am 10.02.2015 20:15, schrieb Denis Croombs: We use the original pi's and berry term with ltsp and then each person uses xfreerdp to remote windows server 2008r2 desktops as windows pc's the ltsp is locked and so the people do not even see it, but it works for 50 plus people in our teams of staff I believe the new pi's may not give too much of a speed increase when using berry term but not sure about using them as pxe boot devices because of the CPU support. Kind Regards Denis Croombs 00353 861729383 Sent from my iPhone On 10 Feb 2015, at 09:13, Rolf-Werner Eilert eilert-sprac...@t-online.de wrote: Hi folks, Just thought that the new RasPi or the Odroid C1 might work good as LTSP terminals. They both have 1 GB RAM, the RasPi being somewhat slower. The only prerequisite would be PXE booting, but shouldn't they both be able to? Does anyone here already have tried them? Rolf -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
