Re: [luau] MSWindows
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Eric Hattemer wrote: I don't think this is true at all. I have never needed help for ANYTHING in windows. That is because you were brain washed. There is more proof of this below. On the other hand, anything I attempt in linux usually takes several days, I ask for help, then it fails anyway. Funny, I hear the same thing from people who have called Microsoft tech support. The thing is, I'm not a stupid user or anything. I have never had real problems installing programs in windows. If ever I did, the product was not worthwhile anyway. More evidence of brain washing? Are you reading the words you are typing? I have never had real problems installing programs in windows, [except when I do have problems...] Only about 1:5 times when I try to compile something in linux does it come out correctly. Let me get this straight, you are comparing the installation of windows programs to the compilation of linux programs? And for some reason, you feel they should have the same difficulty level? Or the same easiness level... get things installed on. Windows doesn't require that the user remember anything. Do you really think most of the world moved away from the command line by pure chance? No, it allows you to manipulate files and etc. without learning or remembering any commands. More evidence of brain washing? You're telling me that you didn't have to remember anything to use or install Windows applications? So you were born with the knowledge of the 20 to 40 odd menu options in MS-Word? Or the 5 to 10 dialogs for installing the new Inbox Express? I guess Microsoft must have found the technology to beam this information directly to your mother's brain, and she passed it to you via the umbilical cord. The Ctrl-C to copy and the Ctrl-V to paste is learned through osmosis, right? enough to use linux, because other people would get in the way, but if you're the type who says, I wish other people used linux. That would make society better, then you can't expect people to say, Hey, if I could learn to use vi and type in commands, my life would be much better. I am the type that says: I wish the people, who wants to use Linux, to learn the tools the right way, rather than expect it to function like Windows. Even if that means learning vi. As for pushing the responsibility towards the user, that is exactly what Microsoft does. The only difference with Linux is that it is not Microsoft. And that just ticks you off because we are asking you to relearn what took you years to learn already. Why should you have to relearn anything at all to use Linux? Linux should just do it the Microsoft way. Because that is THE RIGHT WAY, THE ONLY WAY! Take a look at KDE and GNOME as evidence. Those developers believe as you do. Why re-invent the wheel, when Microsoft did it right the first time? Microsoft has brained washed the entire planet to the point where people defend it without knowing why. It is sad, but it is also reality. --jc P.S. Do not for a moment believe that Microsoft is unique. Give Red Hat a chance, and they will do the same. I don't believe there is anyone who is reading this email believes that AOL, Oracle, Sun, Viacom, or any other conglomerate wouldn't want what Microsoft has. Don't believe for a second that these companies don't want to use the same tactics to achieve the same goals. We hate Microsoft because it affects us the most. In the 70's and 80's, our older colleages before us hated IBM and ATT for the same exact reasons. The young believe they invented the rebellion. But the only new thing is the technology. -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[luau] switch
Will a switch or HUB act as a repeater? Thanks Randall
Re: [luau] switch
It depends on what kind it is. Intelligent hubs or repeaters will retransmit a signal, but the cheap home network hubs don't. On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 05:16, Randall Oshita wrote: Will a switch or HUB act as a repeater? Thanks Randall
RE: [luau] processor opinion
Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan George Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] processor opinion On Sunday 28 July 2002 09:06, you wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha This sledgehammer chip is b-ing but I dont have a MLB to test it on yet. Nice of AMD to send me a chip I cannot use. Its supposed to be the one. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Central Pacific Bank web browsers
Hi Warren, It seems as though we went over this several weeks ago. I am using Mozilla on RH 7.2 to access the cpbi site, and have done so for quite some time with a business checking account. I haven't had problems, but they do give the following message: In order to maintain the highest possible security and compatibility, the browser you are currently using should be upgraded. Please refer to the Help pages for more information. -Jeff Warren Togami wrote: Is anyone a Central Pacific Bank customer and use their online banking to check balances? My friend seemed unable to login to their site using Mozilla in Red Hat 7.3, but Opera spoofing the MSIE 5.0 useragent seems able to login fine. Can anyone test Mozilla, Galeon and Konqueror with CPBI.com online banking? http://cpbi.com/ BTW, First Hawaiian Bank has called me recently. They are soon moving their site codebase to be similar to the BankWest online banking site, which works with Mozilla but not Konqueror. They have expressed concern about accessibility, so I suspect I will be able to convince them to support Konqueror, Galeon and other compliant browsers. If you know of any other local site with some useful service that rejects visitors based upon browser user agents, please let the list know so we can investigate.
RE: [luau] switch
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 05:39, Randall Oshita wrote: What about a home switch like netgear or linksys. I don't think they do since most people wouldn't have a home large enough to warrant pushing the signal past its limits 100M or 380 Feet.
RE: [luau] switch
On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 00:52, Kevin Goad wrote: On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 05:39, Randall Oshita wrote: What about a home switch like netgear or linksys. I don't think they do since most people wouldn't have a home large enough to warrant pushing the signal past its limits 100M or 380 Feet. sorry, 330 feet
Re: [luau] processor opinion
Randall Oshita wrote: Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall Ah this is the beauty of opensource software. Even before the code gets rewritten, the compiler already supports x86-64, so a simple recompile can get some of the more obvious (to the compiler at least) optimizations. Even without x86-64 optimizations, the hammers run old 32bit code blindingly fast (I believe I saw a 700MHz developer sample clawhammer beating a P4 1.4GHz, but of course this is an informal devel test). I was mostly referring to the future capabilities though. As for RAID stuff, remember you don't need a special RAID controller to do RAID. In fact, the promise and highpoint controllers are just UDMA/133 controllers with special firmware to make them LOOK like they do raid in hardware (they really do it in software, hence why special drivers are needed in linux to do raid, separate from single disk). This is especialy evident because the promise UDMA/66 addon controller (and I assume the recent ones as the design is still the same) could be modified using a few wires and a resistor to do raid. Anyway, don't bother with a dedicated controller unless you're getting a really expensive one (unlikely). Software raid's cpu usage may be higher, but it's often actually faster these days because of the extremely overpowered CPU in your system. Regarding P4s, they're fast with Rambus, but as you point out, Rambus is REALLY expensive. Currently sitting at $56 vs. $77 for 256MB PC2100 DDR vs. standard (whatever that is) rambus. Rambus also gets expensive quicker as speeds go up as it's getting less popular. See Warren's post to this regard and also the deceptive business practices that coined the term pulling a rambus (recently applied to Forgent over the JPEG patent nonsense). Unfortunately, the P4 was designed for rambus. It expects high bandwidth and can tolerate the latency that you get with rambus. It chokes when you start putting the slower DDR on it. Athlons use DDR effectively because they expect very low latency on their memory bus. Put rambus on an Athlon and it would choke, that's why you haven't seen Athlon boards using rambus (also why no one's made a suitable north bridge). --MonMotha
[luau] MS Office, WordPerfect, StarOffice
When I was a student, I managed to buy a 2nd-hand Chevy Vega. To me, that was the most car I could have dreamed of. And Hello World, I am ready to conquer you! Fast forward in time. A friend of mine, who was smart to cash in his (now worthless) dot-com stocks, bought a pair of matching Lamborghini Diablos (@ $400,000 each). Both cars will pretty much get you where you want to go, but it would be difficult, to say the least, for that Lamborghini friend of mine to dirve my Vega. Again, it is very difficult for me to comment on StarOffice vis-a-vis WordPerfect, but you get what I mean. :-)
[luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
When I first installed RH 7.3, I chose GNOME as default desktop. During my second installation, I chose KDE and I got a different login screen. How can I get back to my GNOME login screen?
Re: [luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
to change desktops, use switchdesk gnome or switchdesk kde I'm not sure that's what you're looking for though dean W. Wayne Liauh wrote: When I first installed RH 7.3, I chose GNOME as default desktop. During my second installation, I chose KDE and I got a different login screen. How can I get back to my GNOME login screen? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
A GNOME login screen (the very first screen after completion of the boot-up process to enter userid and password) has a tool bar at the top of the dialog window that allows me to select language, etc. The KDE login screen does not have this tool bar. But what does switchdesk do?
Re: [luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
man switchdesk it changes your default desktop I know it works when you have a default runlevel of 3, but think you may need to restart X if you by default boot into the GUI dean W. Wayne Liauh wrote: A GNOME login screen (the very first screen after completion of the boot-up process to enter userid and password) has a tool bar at the top of the dialog window that allows me to select language, etc. The KDE login screen does not have this tool bar. But what does switchdesk do? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
On Monday 29 July 2002 08:33, you wrote: When I first installed RH 7.3, I chose GNOME as default desktop. During my second installation, I chose KDE and I got a different login screen. How can I get back to my GNOME login screen? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau 1. Before you enter your password and login you can choose what your session you want and make that your default. 2. I dont know if it works in 7.3 yet but I used switch (simple) or switchx to switch from one session to another.
[luau] Red Hat Beta Limbo 2 released
Red Hat Limbo 2 beta released. Some of the extremely broken things from Limbo 1 are now fixed (like OpenOffice). Limbo has radical changes and improvements over the 7.x series of Red Hat, so much testing is still needed on various hardware configurations. Just like Mandrake 9.0 beta, if the final version wont install on your hardware, it is your fault for not testing the beta! Local mirror of Limbo 2: ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ Official announcement below: --- The Limbo beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated. New in this release include: - improved package customization in the installer - redhat-config-packages - The Red Hat graphical package management tools - gcc-3.2 prerelease - the soon-to-be released gcc-3.2 allows for better ABI compatibility going forward. Note that C++ apps compiled on the first beta will not run on this beta. And, as always just a *few* bugfixes. Please report issues via Bugzilla at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ - choose 'Red Hat Public Beta' as the product, and 'limbo' as the version. To discuss limbo, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'subscribe' in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. The updated Limbo is at ftp.redhat.com, and the following mirrors: North America: - ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://ftp.shuttleamerica.com/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ (also rsync access) - ftp://ftp.crc.ca/pub/mirrors/by-site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ (http and also rsync access) - ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/redhat-beta/limbo/ (also http access) Europe: - ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/redhat.com/dist/linux/beta/limbo/ (http and also rsync access) - ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/limbo/ Asia/Pacific: - ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/ - ftp://ftp.kddlabs.co.jp/Linux/packages/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/limbo/
Re: [luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
On Monday 29 July 2002 09:29, you wrote: On Monday 29 July 2002 08:33, you wrote: When I first installed RH 7.3, I chose GNOME as default desktop. During my second installation, I chose KDE and I got a different login screen. How can I get back to my GNOME login screen? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau 1. Before you enter your password and login you can choose what your session you want and make that your default. 2. I dont know if it works in 7.3 yet but I used switch (simple) or switchx to switch from one session to another. __ I stand corrected its switchdesktop I have an alias to switchx setup.
Re: [luau] switch
An active hub is a multiport repeater. You can usually tell an active hub from a passive hub by whether or not it uses its own power supply. -dan On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Kevin Goad wrote: It depends on what kind it is. Intelligent hubs or repeaters will retransmit a signal, but the cheap home network hubs don't. On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 05:16, Randall Oshita wrote: Will a switch or HUB act as a repeater? Thanks Randall ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: When I first installed RH 7.3, I chose GNOME as default desktop. During my second installation, I chose KDE and I got a different login screen. How can I get back to my GNOME login screen? type as root: echo 'DESKTOP=GNOME' /etc/sysconfig/desktop then switch to init 3 and back to init 5 init 3 init 5 or reboot. --Ray
[luau] Login Screen in Red Hat
That did the trick. (To play it safe, I manually editted the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file.) But I was really wondering why GDM Configurator didn't work. Also interestingly, changing the sysconfig/desktop file did not change the desktop; it only changed the login screen. But this is exactly what I wanted anyway.
[luau] NetLoad Monitor Appelet
How do I get the NetLoad monitor applet (from GNOME) to run at KDE tool bar?
Re: [luau] Linux Console
Daniel J Nishimura wrote: Thanks Brian and Monmotha I hooked up my workstation to my linux box with a null-modem cable, but as Brian said, it still isn't a true console. The boot messages don't show up and the login prompt is the first thing to pop up. Brian, do you recommend any motherboards with a true console port? Thanks. -dan Hum, if you appended the console=ttyS0,bps to your kernel line in lilo.conf, you should at least get the kerenl startup messages. There's also a lilo.conf option to have lilo be available on the serial line (so tha tyou can hit shift to give params. see progress, etc). --MonMotha
[luau] New IBM Linux commercial
I just saw a new IBM linux commercial. Gal sitting at what would appear to be a board meeting then fakign an excuse to get out. Something about the networks being bullet proof. Unfortunately, I don't have a TV card hooked up right now to capture it. Maybe someone else does? --MonMotha
Re: [luau] processor opinion
cool...thanks for the info! yeah we gotta go ride! Thanks, Rodney - Original Message - From: Randall Oshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [luau] processor opinion Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan George Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] processor opinion On Sunday 28 July 2002 09:06, you wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha This sledgehammer chip is b-ing but I dont have a MLB to test it on yet. Nice of AMD to send me a chip I cannot use. Its supposed to be the one. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] switch
Randall- Yes, along with active hubs, switches and routers will also act as a repeater by regenerating the signal, and it only sends data to its correct destination. (This minimizes collisions.) Some hubs will amplify the signal and send it out to ALL ports... not good :] -Elayne From: Daniel J Nishimura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] switch Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:12:40 -1000 (HST) An active hub is a multiport repeater. You can usually tell an active hub from a passive hub by whether or not it uses its own power supply. -dan On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Kevin Goad wrote: It depends on what kind it is. Intelligent hubs or repeaters will retransmit a signal, but the cheap home network hubs don't. On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 05:16, Randall Oshita wrote: Will a switch or HUB act as a repeater? Thanks Randall ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
