Re: [luau] Needed - Compaq Presario 700 series or ProSavage video
On Sun, 2002-08-11 at 06:10, R. Scott Belford wrote: Warren, we have two of these. They are at our Stadium store. They are not dual boot yet, but I can take care of that for you. You would be welcome to test on them. VIA PM133 (Intel integrated chipset with ProSavage video) VIA KM133 (Athlon integrated chipset with ProSavage video) VIA PN133 (Compaq Intel laptop chipset with ProSavage video) VIA KN133 (Compaq Athlon laptop chipset with ProSavage video) Either because I read a review on them or because we have one, these sound familiar. I think an HP notebook we acquired uses one of these. I'll check. Scott, Should I schedule a time to go to the store and work on the laptop(s)? I can use my license of PartitionMagic to resize the existing Windows partition, install, test and un-install if necessary. Would sometime Tuesday be possible? We should also get the ball rolling with the Pricebusters point-of-sale terminal conversion from Win98 to Linux again. Is the RD setup in the back of the store? What days of the week and times would be good for that? Thanks, Warren
[luau] hawaii political sites
Anyone been to www.gophawaii.com or www.lindalingle.com lately? Both of them beep and talk to you and things like that. I mean the sites are laid out pretty well otherwise, but I thought the sounds were a little excessive. Has anyone ever found that sounds actually made a website better? Sorry to those of you who are using links/lynx/elinks and have no idea of what I'm talking about. -Eric Hattemer
[luau] hawaii political sites
Anyone been to www.gophawaii.com or www.lindalingle.com lately? I am a life-long Republican, but I found it extremely bad taste for both sites to run on IIS under Win2K. Even the Whilehouse webpage is running on Linux.
RE: [luau] Brian
Aloha Dan, I do not have your Phone number. Can you give me a call? My contact is below. Thanks, Brian Brian Low Security X 1515 Nuuanu Ave. #555 Honolulu, HI 96817 Phone: (808) 371-3571 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dan George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] Brian Brian When you get a chance, can you call me. I have a couple questions for you. Dan Also: RedHat agent in town going over plans on security system at airport. Tried to get hold of the training department at RedHat Friday. We are still thinking RedHat later but LPI for now. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
I installed Red Hat (both 7.3 and Limbo) in one of my machines with a Linksys LNE100TX card. This is the only distro that couldn't recognize my Linksys card. (Based on the difference b/t 7.3 and Limbo, it is apparent that Red Hat is trying to expand into the desktop territory. But, all things considered, I am more convinced that I need to upgrade my Mandrake club membership level; we definitely can't let Mandrake die.) Can anyone tell me which of the ethernet cards supported by Red Hat also uses tulip driver?
Re: [luau] hawaii political sites
OK, Question for teh web wizards out there. How did you figure this out??? snip both sites to run on IIS under Win2K. Even the Whilehouse webpage is running on Linux. /snip Thanks, Ben
[luau] hawaii political sites
Actually both White House (whitehouse.gov) and Kremlin run their webpages on Linux.
Re: [luau] hawaii political sites
On Monday 12 August 2002 10:04, you wrote: OK, Question for teh web wizards out there. How did you figure this out??? snip both sites to run on IIS under Win2K. Even the Whilehouse webpage is running on Linux. /snip While no web wizard, I can tell you that netcraft.com will tell you what any website is running. scott
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 10:08, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I installed Red Hat (both 7.3 and Limbo) in one of my machines with a Linksys LNE100TX card. This is the only distro that couldn't recognize my Linksys card. (Based on the difference b/t 7.3 and Limbo, it is apparent that Red Hat is trying to expand into the desktop territory. But, all things considered, I am more convinced that I need to upgrade my Mandrake club membership level; we definitely can't let Mandrake die.) Can anyone tell me which of the ethernet cards supported by Red Hat also uses tulip driver? I do not appreciate overbroad comments along the lines of Because card X doesn't work in distro Y, distro Y is negligent to desktop Linux. Red Hat is negligent toward desktop Linux for other reasons. =) You have identified a bug probably with a new revision of the LNE100TX. Can you find the card revision version? The Linksys web page has several pictures to help you identify the version by reading the chips onboard. http://www.linksys.com/download/driver.asp?dlid=2osid=6 Is this a brand new retail card? If so, may I borrow the card or I will buy one in order to test it myself and be sure it works in Limbo beta. Please let me know where you bought it, and the revision version #. After I figure out this card, I'll build you custom RPM's with kernel drivers that should work in Red Hat 7.3.
Re: [luau] hawaii political sites
R. Scott Belford wrote: On Monday 12 August 2002 10:04, you wrote: OK, Question for teh web wizards out there. How did you figure this out??? snip both sites to run on IIS under Win2K. Even the Whilehouse webpage is running on Linux. /snip While no web wizard, I can tell you that netcraft.com will tell you what any website is running. scott Netcraft uses the HTTP headers to determine the server. telnet www.example.net 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.0 hit enter twice The HTTP server will be listed. --Monmotha
Re: [luau] hawaii political sites
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 12:56, MonMotha wrote: Netcraft uses the HTTP headers to determine the server. telnet www.example.net 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.0 hit enter twice The HTTP server will be listed. --Monmotha They also use TCP analysis in order to attempt to detect the operating system of the server. Sometimes they have strange and impossible combinations like Linux + Microsoft IIS web server because a Linux proxy or load-balancer is in front of the web server.
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
I do not appreciate overbroad comments along the lines of Because card X doesn't work in distro Y, distro Y is negligent to desktop Linux. Red Hat is negligent toward desktop Linux for other reasons. =) Easy now You misread what he said. He said something along the lines of.: Well, the new beta of RedHat obviously has a more improved setup for desktop users than 7.3 did, but I still want to support Mandrake, instead, because they are smaller and could use more help. Having a bad day? --Ray
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:57, Ray Strode wrote: Easy now You misread what he said. He said something along the lines of.: Well, the new beta of RedHat obviously has a more improved setup for desktop users than 7.3 did, but I still want to support Mandrake, instead, because they are smaller and could use more help. Having a bad day? --Ray How dare you question me! j/j Yeah, a bit stressed out here. I misunderstood Wayne a bit, and perhaps I miscommunicated a bit in last post, I could have made it more clear that I think Mandrake is doing a much better at end-user desktop Linux than Red Hat. I should have also mentioned that I contribute money to both Red Hat and Mandrake, and it is imperative that both companies must not die.
Re: [luau] hawaii political sites
Thanks to all of you!! VR, Ben On Monday 12 August 2002 01:30 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 12:56, MonMotha wrote: Netcraft uses the HTTP headers to determine the server. telnet www.example.net 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.0 hit enter twice The HTTP server will be listed. --Monmotha They also use TCP analysis in order to attempt to detect the operating system of the server. Sometimes they have strange and impossible combinations like Linux + Microsoft IIS web server because a Linux proxy or load-balancer is in front of the web server. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Access2000 Linux import
Aloha all, I current have a customer with a Microsoft Access2000 Database. I have 3 questions, 1) I there a way to create a SQL database in linux and import the Access2000 Database? 2) IF it is posible, is there a way to build a Web base front end for the Database, and 3) Are there any local consultants that are intrested in working on this project? Thanks, Brian Brian Low Security X 1515 Nuuanu Ave. #555 Honolulu, HI 96817 Phone: (808) 371-3571 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] CD-ROM sized bay case covers
Warren Togami wrote: Does anyone have a source for CD-ROM sized front bay case covers? We have many Dell computer cases with holes in the front, and Dell gave us a quote of $4.95 each. =( These are for some of the computers that would go to schools for Linux thin clients and servers. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ###\\\ Dell is a pirate when it comes to stuff like that and odd powersupplies that only use some proprietery plug. They always have a gun to your head. If you have one of the cover blanks take it over to Roy at Hawaii Recycling and see if he can find them and check Royal Data too. How many do you need? Maybe something can be modified to fit the hole. Also check the military for parts thay may have something to fit. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
Re: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 15:03, Brian Low wrote: Aloha all, I current have a customer with a Microsoft Access2000 Database. I have 3 questions, 1) I there a way to create a SQL database in linux and import the Access2000 Database? Probably the easiest way would be to export the data to Microsoft SQL syntax, then do some manual regex conversion of that text to get it into PostgreSQL or MySQL syntax. Ryan Shrout, owner of AMDMB needed to do just this a while ago when he converted from Windows 2000, IIS web server, MSSQL and ColdFusion to LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP), so I know this is very possible. A few months ago I remember seeing an option in Microsoft SQL 2000's Enterprise Manager that will easily import or export this type of data between Access and MSSQL Server. I haven't used MSSQL for a few months now, so I don't remember what this tool is called. You could either use the Microsoft SQL 2000 120-day demo in order to help convert the data, or perhaps Access 2000 has its own export to SQL option. There may also be Open Source tools that can input Access databases. I will search around. 2) IF it is posible, is there a way to build a Web base front end for the Database, and 3) Are there any local consultants that are intrested in working on this project? Thanks, Brian Definitely. There are many local people that can do this well. I personally don't have the time (and I would be very slow at doing it), but contact me directly and I'll have some recommendations for people who could possibly do the job within a day or two. Warren
Re: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
Probably the easiest way would be to register the access database as an odbc datasource. You can then either use the web scripting language of your choice to make a web front end, or use the scripting language of your choice to pull out the data and stuff it into a mysql db or something of that nature. Of course, you always could simply export all the data into csv or tab-delimited files and import. Don On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Brian Low wrote: Aloha all, I current have a customer with a Microsoft Access2000 Database. I have 3 questions, 1) I there a way to create a SQL database in linux and import the Access2000 Database? 2) IF it is posible, is there a way to build a Web base front end for the Database, and 3) Are there any local consultants that are intrested in working on this project? Thanks, Brian Brian Low Security X 1515 Nuuanu Ave. #555 Honolulu, HI 96817 Phone: (808) 371-3571 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
1) I there a way to create a SQL database in linux and import the Access2000 Database? Yes, there are many ways. You could transfer it through ODBC, or export it to some text format. I don't if there are any utilities to fully automate it (Maybe gnome-db?), but it should be a pretty small job to script. 2) IF it is posible, is there a way to build a Web base front end for the Database, Yup. PHP/MySQL is a pretty common combination for doing such things. http://www.php.net and http://www.mysql.org respectively. 3) Are there any local consultants that are intrested in working on this project? Don't know about this one. --Ray
[luau] Nic cards and Red Hat
Hi Warren, I found the problem with the cards in the RedHat 7.3 we were working on. I found three clashing IRQ's listed in the cmos of the motherboard. I changed the 3 and the nic card came up fine. I couldn't get the video card to work unless I put in an AGP card until I fixed this cmos problem. I don't know what caused the cmos to have the settings that way, but they appeared to be the default. If you take my card that you have to Price Busters I'll pick it up from there. Thanks, Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
[luau] Font Suggestions
I'm looking for a couple things regarding fonts to make my life easier when reading text (which is of course very frequent) in X: An easy way (scripted) to set up truetype fonts. I've got CDs full of truetype fonts for windows. My X server has truetype support and I have Xft loaded, but setting up XftConfig and fonts.dir seem unautomated? mkfontdir won't set up fonts.dir for me. A bunch of fonts (postscript, truetype, anything that XFree86 can read with no addons, other than truetype). One of the main things I'm looking for is a good monospace font with linedraw chars. I've got plenty of Times clones :) Any suggestions are appricieated. --MonMotha
RE: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
A few months ago I remember seeing an option in Microsoft SQL 2000's Enterprise Manager that will easily import or export this type of data between Access and MSSQL Server. I haven't used MSSQL for a few months now, so I don't remember what this tool is called. You mean DTS? Data Transformation Services. It should do the trick. Randall
Re: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
Brian, might want to ping the folks at Indevtech Inc. Scott Cooley, former LUAU member, runs the show over there. They developed hawaiieventsonline.com www.indevtech.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 808-528-2740 -ho'ala Ray Strode said: 3) Are there any local consultants that are intrested in working on this project? Don't know about this one.
Re: [luau] Access2000 Linux import
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 16:52, Ho'ala Greevy wrote: Brian, might want to ping the folks at Indevtech Inc. Scott Cooley, former LUAU member, runs the show over there. They developed hawaiieventsonline.com www.indevtech.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 808-528-2740 -ho'ala OMG! That guy was in my class in 6th grade. Around that time he convinced me that a 486 DX/2 66MHz is so much cooler than an Apple Quadra. I almost made a grave mistake of buying a Mac. This list, group, and everything we have here today would be DEAD right now if it wasn't for this jack ass. Anyone talk to Scott Cooley? I must thank him for his lame dial-up BBS with color ANSI graphics demo back in 6th grade. That one demo saved me from what was potentially the worst decision in my life. Had I bought that Mac, I would have probably never began to learn Linux a year later. I wonder if he would join the mailing list. I notice that his web sites appear to be Linux and PHP. Awesome.
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I installed Red Hat (both 7.3 and Limbo) in one of my machines with a Linksys LNE100TX card. This is the only distro that couldn't recognize my Linksys card. (Based on the difference b/t 7.3 and Limbo, it is apparent that Red Hat is trying to expand into the desktop territory. But, all things considered, I am more convinced that I need to upgrade my Mandrake club membership level; we definitely can't let Mandrake die.) Can anyone tell me which of the ethernet cards supported by Red Hat also uses tulip driver? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau Desktop 3COM 90X Laptop Netgear 4a11 7.3 recognizes fine
Re: [luau] Massive Flash Plugin Security Hole
Warren Togami wrote: I usually don't post about Windows security holes on this list, but this is a massive one that can potentially wreak havoc to desktop clients should your users visit the wrong websites or receive the wrong e-mail attachment. Please be sure to upgrade your Flash plugin. It appears that Macromedia released a new Flash plugin for Linux several days ago too. http://idg.net/ic_933538_1794_9-1.html Security flaw found in Shockwave Flash http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/frameset.fhtml?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash Macromedia Flash Download - will auto-detect your operating system ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau Warren Can you tell me how to install flash on Linux 7.1 or 7.3? Ive tried following the directions but never could get them to work in Netscape Plugins.
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
Ray Strode wrote: I do not appreciate overbroad comments along the lines of Because card X doesn't work in distro Y, distro Y is negligent to desktop Linux. Red Hat is negligent toward desktop Linux for other reasons. =) Easy now You misread what he said. He said something along the lines of.: Well, the new beta of RedHat obviously has a more improved setup for desktop users than 7.3 did, but I still want to support Mandrake, instead, because they are smaller and could use more help. Having a bad day? --Ray ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau Maybe somebody can post instructions on how to download the beta Linux and how to compile the kernel and set it up. I would appreciate it. I failed to get it right on four attempts. Yes Im in between newbie and novice. But probably closer to newbie.
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
Warren Togami wrote: On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:57, Ray Strode wrote: Easy now You misread what he said. He said something along the lines of.: Well, the new beta of RedHat obviously has a more improved setup for desktop users than 7.3 did, but I still want to support Mandrake, instead, because they are smaller and could use more help. Having a bad day? --Ray How dare you question me! j/j Yeah, a bit stressed out here. I misunderstood Wayne a bit, and perhaps I miscommunicated a bit in last post, I could have made it more clear that I think Mandrake is doing a much better at end-user desktop Linux than Red Hat. I should have also mentioned that I contribute money to both Red Hat and Mandrake, and it is imperative that both companies must not die. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau Warren Are you joking around? Ive never seen you peeved.
Re: [luau] Massive Flash Plugin Security Hole
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:19, Dan George wrote: Warren Can you tell me how to install flash on Linux 7.1 or 7.3? Ive tried following the directions but never could get them to work in Netscape Plugins. Red Hat 7.1, 7,2 and 7.3 actually come with the Flash plugin as part of the Netscape package, but it is a very old version that they aren't allowed to upgrade due to licensing problems. Not like the current new version is any better or anything. It is still incredibly unstable and completely unusable for LTSP thin clients, while supporting only Flash version 5.
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
Maybe somebody can post instructions on how to download the beta Linux and how to compile the kernel and set it up. I would appreciate it. I failed to get it right on four attempts. Yes Im in between newbie and novice. But probably closer to newbie. The kernel howto is a good place to start. Expect to make some mistakes the first few times. I compiled about 3 kernels before I got it right, and this was on a 486 taking 4 hours every time :) --Monmotha
[luau] Sorry Folks
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:24, Dan George wrote: How dare you question me! j/j Warren Are you joking around? Ive never seen you peeved. Okay I have to stop joking around. I'm not communicating very effectively, and it is evident that not everyone sees my feeble attempts of sarcasm. Sorry folks, I'm been in an increasingly angry mood for the past 2-3 weeks due certain conditions at Mid-Pac. I did not mean any disrespect toward Ray Strode, Wayne Liahu, Scott Cooley, or anyone else that may have been accidentally offended. Warren
Re: [luau] Massive Flash Plugin Security Hole
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:27, Warren Togami wrote: Can you tell me how to install flash on Linux 7.1 or 7.3? Ive tried following the directions but never could get them to work in Netscape Plugins. Red Hat 7.1, 7,2 and 7.3 actually come with the Flash plugin as part of the Netscape package, but it is a very old version that they aren't allowed to upgrade due to licensing problems. Not like the current new version is any better or anything. It is still incredibly unstable and completely unusable for LTSP thin clients, while supporting only Flash version 5. Oops, forgot to mention how to install it. 1) Download the latest flash_linux.tar.gz from Macromedia. 2) tar xfvz flash_linux.tar.gz 3) Find /usr/lib/BROWSERNAME/plugins/ where BROWSERNAME is your browser. Netscape, Mozilla and Opera for Linux work this way. 4) Move the two flash files from the flash_linux directory that you unpacked into this plugin directory. Do not move the flash_linux directory, just the two files. Might need to completely restart your browser.
Re: [luau] Font Suggestions
I think you might find ttmkfdir useful. It's like mkfontdir for truetype fonts. I have used an older version, and I don't know how well it's being maintained. It's now available at http://freshmeat.net/redir/ttmkfdir/10789/url_tgz/ttmkfdir.tar.gz . Hope this helps, -Jeff Mings MonMotha wrote: I'm looking for a couple things regarding fonts to make my life easier when reading text (which is of course very frequent) in X: An easy way (scripted) to set up truetype fonts. I've got CDs full of truetype fonts for windows. My X server has truetype support and I have Xft loaded, but setting up XftConfig and fonts.dir seem unautomated? mkfontdir won't set up fonts.dir for me. A bunch of fonts (postscript, truetype, anything that XFree86 can read with no addons, other than truetype). One of the main things I'm looking for is a good monospace font with linedraw chars. I've got plenty of Times clones :) Any suggestions are appricieated. --MonMotha ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
Is this a brand new retail card? If so, may I borrow the card or I will buy one in order to test it myself and be sure it works in Limbo beta. Please let me know where you bought it, and the revision version #. After I figure out this card, I'll build you custom RPM's with kernel drivers that should work in Red Hat 7.3. Thanks Warren. All what I need to know is, which of the NIC cards supported by Red Hat also uses tulip chipset? As I am sure you're aware, it's the chipset that matters. Actually, same NIC cards, even with the same model number, may use different chipsets, or different versions of the same chipset, I have purchased a whole bunch of Linksys cards of exactly the same batch, and have been using them for ages. Corel 1.0 and Red Hat 7.3/Limbo are the only distros that I have had problems with those cards. Tulip, which was initially developed by NASA, is an open-source project. As such, it is incumbent upon the due diligence of each distro to make sure that it can properly detect the various modifications thereof.
[luau] Sound on web- Was political sites
Has anyone ever found that sounds actually made a website better? Web pages can/should be developed to facilitate sound for disabled viewers. For example making sure there's alternate text tags for graphic buttons, so that text to speech readers can tell someone what the button text is. The short answer is, only sound with a purpose. Ease of listening for blind readers. Proper pronunciation for language learners. But rarely is sound on a website useful _unless requested by the user_. The real question is, Why haven't web designers learned that forced sound is bad for the user? The answer, you knew this, is that the designers of those political sites designed not for we as constituents, but for the party folks, for whom pomp is de riguer. Sadly, it is the modern condition, just as why managers buy proprietary while the engineers beg for open systems. About web accessibility- National arts and disability center (UCLA) on accessible web pages: http://nadc.ucla.edu/dawpi.htm Web accessibility is by the way one area where Open Source is particularly useful- if a software doesn't offer a desired affordance, one may go and add it. (This is what happened with Linux and all those Japanese and Mandarin screen shots we started seeing in the past couple years). Also- as a color blind web devotee- this is a public plea for catchy designers to please lay off the high contrast color sites! It's such a drag to be surfing along and some mostly pink or yellow website comes up- they appear blank to me. best wishes- rod g
Re: [luau] Linksys and Red Hat (Not)
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 22:23, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Thanks Warren. All what I need to know is, which of the NIC cards supported by Red Hat also uses tulip chipset? As I am sure you're aware, it's the chipset that matters. Actually, same NIC cards, even with the same model number, may use different chipsets, or different versions of the same chipset, I have purchased a whole bunch of Linksys cards of exactly the same batch, and have been using them for ages. Corel 1.0 and Red Hat 7.3/Limbo are the only distros that I have had problems with those cards. Tulip, which was initially developed by NASA, is an open-source project. As such, it is incumbent upon the due diligence of each distro to make sure that it can properly detect the various modifications thereof. I've bought over 20 Linksys LNE100TX v4.0 and v4.1 cards. The last time I had problems with these cards were with Red Hat 6.2 through 7.1. Since RH 7.2 I've never had any problems. I've also tried the CNET Pro120 and Pro200 cards which are tulip controlled. CNET's in my experience have been terrible quality cards that would often go bad after a few weeks or months of use. Some you wouldn't realize were bad because they were still working, but at 10% speed and spewing hundreds of bad MAC addresses randomly. I tested a few laptops with integrated tulip too, like a Dell Inspiron 8000 IIRC. If you have a tulip card that doesn't work in Red Hat 7.3, I would really like to test it if possible. Warren
