Re: [luau] Any Open Source Programmers?
I'm curious how many other people on this list are open source developers, particularly those living on O'ahu. I do mostly Java development Sort of - I was planning to do some open source development in java, but it got put on hold when a) I began trying to get up to speed on linux and b) I graduated from the UH ICS masters program. I had found an interesting java answering machine project called toejam http://sourceforge.net/projects/toejam/ that I wanted to contribute to, but it was still in larval stage (original developer making major revision of the prototype) and so I got distracted. Maybe its time for me to get back on that horse. Distracted Dave
Re: [luau] Re: Graphic art design
I think this message is right on target. People want help, are willing to pay for it, ask for it, and then are hit with an arrogant message about "netiquette" by an essentially self appointed, self styled net patrolman. I can really relate to you (Neal Gay) not wanting to be forced into several years of study trying to learn all the intricacies of a comparatively complex operating system. Plus this so called "spam" is actually an opportunity for someone to earn some money. Now I ask, how can one person decide for all the others as to who in this group would want to earn money and who wouldn't or how they might want to earn it. This mailing list should not be a place where a single solitary (self appointed) boss defines what you can or can not do. As I said before, I never considered the first message that was declared "spam" to even be spam. So I don't know. I myself have been declared to be deficient in netiquette because of some comparatively petty issues. So if "netnutiquette" allows us to express an opinion here, I would welcome all requests from people who are seeking help and especially those who are willing to pay for it. I myself was willing to pay for help in getting my Linux system going when I first started. At the time I experienced a great deal of frustration, and got blasted too, so I can relate. As for the help, all I can say is that I don't care for Red Hat, but depending on your purposes it could be the best choice for what you are trying to do. I see RedHat as being popular with people wanting to set up a sever or networked system, while some other distributions seem stronger in the desktop and user friendliness arena. In as much as you are a dentist; and I presume comparatively well heeled, you might consider the Macintosh OS-X. Having said that, I wouldn't use it myself because I don't care to be locked into expensive proprietary hardware and software, but it probably is much more intuitive and user friendly. So if you need to or are willing to pay for help, then perhaps the investment in a hardware and intuitive software might actually turn out to be more economical in the long run. Don't get me wrong, I do use Linux exclusively on my home PC, but my choice is based primarily on economic, political, and security reasons. I use Linux because it will run on standard clone PC's and there is a competitive environment amongst the various distributions, and in the long run, the effort required to learn it should be well worth it, if in fact Linux application software can do whatever task you need to accomplish. Neal Gay Timon wrote: Perhaps my experience will give another perspective on your "spam" discussion. I went to Comp USA the Sunday your group was there. I was considering upgrading my windows operating system and spoke to two of your members. Our discussion impressed me, and I decided to purchase the Red Hat Linux software. I also attended one of your classes but found I didn't have enough knowledge to benefit (I'm sure most of you can relate to a class where you don't feel knowledgeable enough to even ask a question). It was suggested that I subscribe to this group where I could ask for help etc. I'm just an older dentist trying to benefit from what I still perceive to be benefits of this system. I want to get it working but am not interested in spending countless hours learning all the details about a new operating system right now. I was also considering asking about hiring someone to help me (you students must still be hungry and need money). That isn't my idea of spam, but it may not be something you want on this group. Perhaps you would rather just reply that this group discourages that sort of request and suggest an alternative. Neal by the way, where can Ihire someone to help me? Message deliberately not trimed
Re: [luau] Policy Discussion
Just drop it, and give people some space. Warren Togami wrote: Would everyone agree for the list policy that asking for someone to do a job is okay? In the case of Edward's request, it was completely off-topic. Should requests be restricted to on-topic things that are remotely related to Linux/Unix/Programming/Networking/Security types of things that we normally discuss here? Where should we draw the line? This may be a more difficult gray area because what if he had asked 3D modeling in Linux... Comments please. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Re: Graphic art design
My opinion is still remains that if he can get personal help setting up his one system, for his own needs, it would be a "win win" situation for all involved. Taking courses is a long process, and courses are hit and miss in addressing his actual need. linuxdan wrote: Neal The best thing to do is purchase the Redhat 8.0 and with all the applications available you could get all the technical support off the list and help yourself learn in the process. I would even consider taking the Linux Plus class. Joe Bransfield and Co at CompUSA Training are the best of the best. The whole point of going this route is that you will find more cash in your wallet for training and even new equipment once you start learning how the apps work and how you can apply it to your home business. Dan
Re: [luau] List Policy
I agree fully with you, but I guess at this point I see this as problem where a single individual is enforcing policy where no policy exists. Now you can ask is the problem do to a lack of policy or an individual who makes up policy on the spot, with little thought as he goes along. Since I was at the brunt of this in the past, I guess I can admit that a certain amount of bad blood is coming out now as I see the same thing happening to others that happened in the past to me. An yes, I agree this is definitely not in the interest of actually building and open source community. I would like to point out that I'm also a member of the CLUE group in Denver, and there are is virtually no equivalent problem. Dustin Cross wrote: Aloha, Come on guys, this has been blown WAY out of proportion! This was someone asking for help. The second guy said he heard about linux from the CompUSA thing and wanted help. This list used to be about helping people and not chastising them for asking for help! It is okay to give someone free help, but insulting if they offer to pay a little money? This list used to be about talking about open source and helping each other learn new things about open source, no matter if they are newbies or geeks who have been using Unix since it only ran on a PDP-11. I think we need to calm down a little, this is supposed to be about building the open source community in Hawaii, isn't it? Dusty
Re: [luau] List Policy
If you know this, how come you immediately pounce on someone for "spamming" when it's obvious in the first place that they are not Linux users? I do know I dropped Oceanic Road Runner in favor of Oceanic Earthlink for the very reason that the "SMTP" server was stalling out and we were having difficulty sending outbound mail on actually both Linux and Windows. Warren Togami wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 17:28, al plant wrote: At last a reasonable voice. I believe the person was only asking forhelp too. By the way there are some people on this list who send two or three mailpostings each time they make a comment. I don't think it is intentionalor spam. In fact it has been discussed a couple of times in the past.Maybe something in our sign up mail program is doing this. Many of the multiple postings are the fault of Outlook Express, where insome cases if you click "Send" but the SMTP server is stalling, itsometimes sends it multiple times. I don't recall seeing any othermailers do this.___LUAU mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] List Policy
Interestingly since I switched to Earthlink Cable, (through Oceanic) I have been getting no spam, but on my old RR account which for some reason is still active, the only thing I get is SPAM. Another benefit of Earthlink is that you get nation wide dial up included with the Hawaii cable modem price. So it has worked out well. Dustin Cross wrote But hey, this is just the opinion of someone who gets well over 100 SPAM e- mails per day, not to mention the 100 or so messages I get from lists I subscribe to. There is a down side to having the same e-mail address for seven years. Dusty
Re: [luau] List Policy
It seems to me, you should be the last person worried about being personally affected by SPAM. Warren Togami wrote: I personally trust that a combination of the three works very well after configuration. I have something like 99.99% effective spam filtering now, with no false positives for several weeks. (I read through my entire SPAM folder periodically, just to make sure.) Warren
Re: [luau] List Policy
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 03:18, Joe Linux wrote: It seems to me, you should be the last person worried about being personally affected by SPAM. Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you.
Re: [luau] List Policy
Warren Togami wrote: Many of the multiple postings are the fault of Outlook Express, where in some cases if you click Send but the SMTP server is stalling, it sometimes sends it multiple times. I don't recall seeing any other mailers do this. ### Thanks for the clarification. I only email from Linux and FreeBSD boxes so I hope I don't contribute to the multiple postings. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
Re: [luau] News - Impressions of SuSE 8.1
SuSE 8.0 works fine on my Duron 700 no optical mouse or Geforce2 though. dean Joe Linux wrote: I was just at installfest in Denver and one member of the group tried to install SuSE 8.1 on a Duron 700 machine running an Geforce 2 card and a M$ optical mouse and SuSE 8.1 locked up very early on. He said he hasn't been able to install SuSE on his machine since 7.1. Even the pros there couldn't get it to go and so in the end the guy just gave up.
[luau] News - UH ITS dept evaluating Spam blocking
University of Hawaii ITS department is looking for spam blocking solutions, this article specifically mentions that they are looking at Spam Assassin among other tools. I just got off the phone with someone in the ITS department and will soon be assisting in implementation. Here's hoping that they adopt Spam Assassin and Vipul's Razor for spam protection. http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/10/18/3dafb0b414054
[luau] Macromedia Flash 6 beta for Linux released
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/flashplayer_beta.htm I am happy to report that the crash problems over X displays seems to be fixed in this version of the plugin. Finally LTSP clients should finally be able to use Flash. It should be noted that this is the first time a beta for Windows, Macintosh and Linux is released simultaneously. I would like to thank the developers at Macromedia that have been very receptive. Please help in testing this beta version so they can hammer out any remaining bugs and make Flash finally viable on the Linux desktop!
Re: [luau] Almost full /usr partition....
Rick, Thanks for your help. That will probably do what I need to do for now. When I upgrade to my next rev, I'll wipe my drives and start over with a better file plan Yes, it's Linux, RH 7.2 for now... Thanks again, Ben On Thursday 17 October 2002 09:23 pm, you wrote: Using the example I gave you could move everything to /home/usr. Then umount /usr and link the new /home/usr to /usr. # mkdir /home/usr # cd /usr # tar cf - . | (cd /home/usr; tar xf -) # cd / # umount /usr # ln -s /home/usr /usr You would also need to remove the entry that causes the old /usr to be mounted at reboot. This should work for most Unix OSes. There is a slight potential for some gotchas with some older OSes such as SunOS, but I'm assuming you're using something current (probably Linux?).
Re: [luau] News - UH ITS dept evaluating Spam blocking
Warren Togami wrote: University of Hawaii ITS department is looking for spam blocking solutions, this article specifically mentions that they are looking at Spam Assassin among other tools. Yeah i read about that in the paper this morning. I'm curious tho, 1) spamassassin is pretty processor intensive (especially for a whole school!). Are they going to put it on it's own box? 2) how is this going to integrate with their new iPlanet mail system? --Ray
Re: [luau] News - UH ITS dept evaluating Spam blocking
- Original Message - From: Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [luau] News - UH ITS dept evaluating Spam blocking Yeah i read about that in the paper this morning. I'm curious tho, 1) spamassassin is pretty processor intensive (especially for a whole school!). Are they going to put it on it's own box? 2) how is this going to integrate with their new iPlanet mail system? --Ray I'm not sure yet, I will have to evaluate how iPlanet separates the MTA and MDA. I'm thinking that yes, SpamAssassin will need its own powerful server, perhaps using the spamd and spamc client-server model. I'm definitely going to advocate them to use at least Razor and open relay blacklists if SpamAssassin turns out to be inadequate. Suggestions welcome.
Re: [luau] News - UH ITS dept evaluating Spam blocking
Cool, I've just been informed that they have two SunFire 480's dedicated for Spam Assassin, and they are currently thinking about implementation based upon the UC Irvine design. I'm not sure what this design is, but will investigate.
Re: [luau] List Policy
For a while, USC was on certain lists for opening their mail servers or accidentally opening them to relay. -Eric Hattemer On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 22:07, Warren Togami wrote: . not. While pattern matching is subject to occasional errors, blacklists and Vipul's Razor should NEVER have a false positive, you may consider using those two instead. .. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] List Policy
I do have to say that Warren has a point. 8 Posts in a row all about the same subject. It would be appreciated if you could generally combine your posts into fewer. This isn't a threaded forum. -Eric Hattemer On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 06:18, Joe Linux wrote: It seems to me, you should be the last person worried about being personally affected by SPAM. Warren Togami wrote: I personally trust that a combination of the three works very well after configuration. I have something like 99.99% effective spam filtering now, with no false positives for several weeks. (I read through my entire SPAM folder periodically, just to make sure.) Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] List Policy
Then frankly, it is the fault of the administrator there, but the nice thing about SpamAssassin with conservative settings is that you probably wont be marked as spam if ONLY you are on an open relay blacklist, because it combines several other methods in determining a spam score. Open Relay alone will only make your score perhaps 33% to the threshold point. - Original Message - From: Eric Hattemer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [luau] List Policy For a while, USC was on certain lists for opening their mail servers or accidentally opening them to relay. -Eric Hattemer On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 22:07, Warren Togami wrote: .. not. While pattern matching is subject to occasional errors, blacklists and Vipul's Razor should NEVER have a false positive, you may consider using those two instead. ... Warren
