[LUAU] does computer guts program still exist?

[Dave Burns]

Web page looks like nothing has happened since 2006. I wanted to
recommend it to someone. Does computer guts still exist, or anything
remotely like it?
mahalo,
Dave
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Re: [LUAU] FW: Linux/Unix on iPad? Yes you can!

[Dave Burns]

Why shouldn't my boss want me to be able to do remote admin work from my
ipad at home? I might even talk him into paying the 15 bucks.
TDB

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Bryce Groff  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Bryce Groff  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Brian Chee  wrote:
> >
> >> So I just got this from the president of StarNETvery kewl, X11
> support
> >> on the iPad.
> >>
> >> /brian chee
> >>  
> >
> >
> > Very cool, but where are the screen shots? :)
> >
>
> On a side note, one should probably not google image iLiveX at work :)
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Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20

[Dave Burns]

Scott, mahalo for making the video. It is great for me, because I now
have a conflicting commitment with my son that prevents me from
attending on Tuesday nights.

Please note that the audio was pretty bad. I have no idea how to
improve things, other than to say the probably mike needs to be closer
to the speaker and further from the air conditioner and the party
going on next door.

Which just goes to show, beggers can't be choosers, but they can still
kvetch like anything!

mahalo,
Dave

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, R. Scott Belford  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Julian Yap  wrote:
>> All, Scott has posted a video of his presentation here:
>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-source-pizza
>
> Thanks, Julian.  That link is actually the link you want to use on the
> 3rd Tuesday of each month, at 6:30, to watch Open Source Pizza live.
> If you want to see the archive of last week's presentation, it is here
>
> Enjoy
>
> http://links.hosef.org/netbooking
>
> ---scott
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Robert Green  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Robert Green 
>>> Subject: Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
>>> To: "LUAU" 
>>> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 8:47 PM
>>> Aloha,
>>>
>>> It's been so long since I had a free Tuesday, but
>>> tomorrow looks promising --- do we need to RSVP? What's
>>> the cost? Which building should I be looking for?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing the OLPC and learning more about
>>> DIY netbook
>>>
>>> Mahalo,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 1/19/09, R. Scott Belford
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> From: R. Scott Belford 
>>> Subject: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
>>> To: "LUAU"
>>> 
>>> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:22 PM
>>>
>>> The State of Affordable Computing - How Close are We to
>>> Free?
>>>
>>> Marine Sciences Auditorium
>>> The University of Hawaii
>>> Tuesday, January 20 6:30 p.m.
>>>
>>> HOPE and Change abound, but what does this mean for your
>>> computing
>>> future?  With the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) changing the
>>> paradigm of
>>> affordable and portable computing, the landscape has
>>> changed in 2009.
>>> Computing value now is as much about the Kilowatts per Hour
>>> as it is
>>> about the Horsepower.  Etherbooting, PXE, the
>>> "cloud", the Atom, and
>>> other seemingly strange words will take on a new and unique
>>> meaning to
>>> all those who attend this first Open Source Pizza of 2009.
>>>
>>> A hands-on demonstration of the OLPC computer and 3 other
>>> netbooks
>>> will be part of a festive array of low cost computing
>>> solutions.  Most
>>> importantly, you can learn about HOSEF's DIY
>>> self-assembly netbook kit
>>> that enables you to build your own netbook computer.
>>> Imagine building
>>> the device that you use as your SIP phone, your
>>> telemedicine monitor,
>>> your television tuner, and more.
>>>
>>> Your presenter, R. Scott Belford, is a data and voice
>>> architect
>>> specializing in social engineering through open standards
>>> technologies.  HOSEF engages in inspiring tomorrow's
>>> engineers and
>>> entrepreneurs through hands-on experiences with computers
>>> and network
>>> appliances.  Programs like Computer Guts and gnu/Linux
>>> Edutainment
>>> Learning Centers have long been fulfilling the dreams and
>>> visions that
>>> America's new president advocates.  HOPE, Helping
>>> Other People Excel,
>>> requires access.  We catalyze access.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LUAU] boring test, do not read

[Dave Burns]

They've relocated the list, we got kicked off the old one, subscribed
to the new one. You're still on the list or you would not have
received my previous message.
Dave

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:22 AM, DragonHawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> v/r
> ralph
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>> I just got messages that I got kicked off the list, so I am testing to
>> see if this bounces. There is probably a more apropriate way to find
>> out, but I am being lazy. Sorry, but it's not like this list gets much
>> traffic any more, but I don't want to lose it.
>> Dave
>>
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[LUAU] boring test, do not read

[Dave Burns]

I just got messages that I got kicked off the list, so I am testing to
see if this bounces. There is probably a more apropriate way to find
out, but I am being lazy. Sorry, but it's not like this list gets much
traffic any more, but I don't want to lose it.
Dave

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF ?= LUG

[Dave Burns]

Michael, thank you for the very positive input.

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Michael Bishop
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  As for eWaste, I think HOSEF, the foundation, should stop taking in
>  computer trash for money and go back to a standards based approach. Only
>  take in P3+, 19+ CRT, any LCD, servers, server parts and cool tech
>  stuff. I think donations of money should be requested, not required, to
>  cover the pickup costs and to perpetuate HOSEF.

I think you're being a bit too tolerant here, no one wants CRTs
anymore, best to get rid of them (properly) ASAP. Okay, I am
exaggerating, for enormous screens there are people who like them (in
fact, I still use a nice big CRT at work) but I think the policy
should be "no CRTs" and we can make an exception if we see some
beautiful monster. P3s also too old.

>  What do you think?

I'm sure there are advantages to having the LUG under the wing of
HOSEF, and the only disadvantages I see are that the board may have
other things on their mind. I hope that could be solved by giving the
LUG volunteers a set of reasonable constraints and let them handle
themselves. But I'm not a lawyer, there may be legal issues. Certainly
the LUG would support the educational aspect of HOSEF's mission.

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is HOSEF

[Dave Burns]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I've been warned away from the Hawaiian Studies group(s) at UH.

Actually this does not much surprise me and it would not surprise me
much if it turned out that teaming with them ended up being
counter-productive or impossible. But it seems  to me that HOSEF lacks
access to grants and skills in Hawaiian language that the kuokoa
project would really benefit from and I think that is why it has
stagnated and why it will continue to stagnate. Maybe there are
scholars at BYU or HPU or wherever that we could recruit, or maybe
someone else has a vision for making the project go without a grant or
a credentialed expert, which I think would be great. I don't see how
this connects to the current controversy (ewaste or no ewaste), but
maybe it does not and was not intended to.

It might help me be less confused if I knew what the board has
actually done and what Jim would like to see the board do in the
future. At the beginning of the controversy, I thought that the board
had actually sacked Scott and called a halt to anything to do with
e-waste. Jim seems to be saying that very little has actually been
done. It would really help me to know what changes are being proposed.

I am getting the impression that Jim would like most activities to
continue, but with new shiny hardware donated by someone who is
willing to pay for new shiny hardware, not old scruffy hardware
donated by people who mostly want to be rid of it. And Jim thinks
Scott needs to be more conscientious about getting clearance from the
board before taking certain actions. I have the impression that Scott
was deeply offended by some of the emails, but I am not clear whether
he wants to quit, to fork, to fight for the status quo, or make some
sort of compromise where ewaste is less of a priority or done away
with and he is more careful with respect to board approval.

I have been trying to at least appear neutral and give Jim a fair
chance, but I think I need to say that I know and trust Scott and I
admire the work he has done for HOSEF, so the way in which Jim's
accusations against Scott appeared and the ideas for changing HOSEF
all struck me as very negative and surprising. It seems possible to me
that Scott has stepped over some boundaries and needs censure or
discipline, it even seems possible (though unlikely) that it would be
better for HOSEF that he step down as ED.  But the way that these
things have been handled has made me confused and upset, and it has
also seemed possible that the whole thing is some personal vendetta or
power sturggle between Scott and Jim. I don't know, I am not accusing
anyone of anything except this, that neither the board nor Scott made
it clear what was going on, what was at stake, and in Jim's case, what
HOSEF would look like if he got his way.

I have two old Sun servers that I was going to donate to HOSEF. Does
HOSEF still want them?

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is HOSEF

[Dave Burns]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>  >>  I'd like to reach
>  >> out to the Apple community (Jordan Hubbard is an acqaintence, and he
>  >>   was spun up to speak at TPOSSCON/PFOSSCON this year, though that
>  >> didn't happen.)

There is a good local mac group, hmaus. Maybe we could get them
involved in TPOSSCON or some other way to promote FOSS to them.

>  The HOSEF board hasn't come to any such conclusion on the subject.
>  Why do you assume it has?

Because recent emails seemed to imply that Scott and ewaste (and
anything associated with that, such as computer guts) had been canned,
and recent email has not clarified what exactly the board has decided
to do and when.

The Kuokoa project got mentioned. I don't see that as competing with
e-waste much. If we had volunteers with the required skills and
motivation, it should have made more progress. Perhaps Jim is going to
take the lead and change that. It might be possible to get a grant
from the state or Bishop estate or some such and actually pay people
to work on it. There might be a professor at UH to team up with. There
is plenty of potential.

I liked e-waste because it gave me something I could actually do for
HOSEF. It was so clear and tangible, it made talking about HOSEF to an
outsider so easy - "HOSEF takes computers people don't want, fixes
them up with free and open source software, and donates them to
schools, parks, and clubs that can use them. It also uses those
computers to teach people about free and open source software."

Will the school labs and wireless park installs continue with donated
sponsored non-ewaste hardware, or will they be canned? Will computer
guts and other teaching initiatives continue or be canned? Do we have
a strong feeling that we can get non-ewaste hardware from sponsors? Is
Scott in or out? Which deals are done and which are not? Sorry if I am
being dense, but I am just really confused.

>  The more pressing matter is Scott's recent behavior.

To you maybe, to me the most pressing matter is, what is HOSEF about
now? Do I care any more?

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is Scott

[Dave Burns]

>  > what is the "right" alternative you propose instead?
>
>  A fundamental refocusing of HOSEF away from eWaste and back to
>  advocacy and education about Free and Open Source.

This answer is pretty vague. Vince and I have both asked similar
questions on the list, which were also dismissed.

HOSEF has just lost a leader, and the board has declared that its
direction will change in important ways. There are accusations flying
back and forth. These are blows to the morale of a volunteer-based
organization. I would have expected the board members to articulate
clearly what sort of changes they plan to make and to try to keep the
volunteers up to date and on board. I've seen some energy pointed at
griping about the past, not so much aimed at the future. Does the
board have any example of a specific goal or project that they'd like
to see happen? I do not know anything about their plans, except that
Scott and e-waste will not be involved.

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] Mail Back: USPS to recycle (some) e-waste free of charge

[Dave Burns]

Too bad it is not happening in Hawaii (except apple - great if you
have a mac). It looks like the USPS one may ultimately come to Hawaii,
but it is only for cell phones, toner carts, other small stuff,  no
PCs. I wonder if they'd let you take out a circuit board, break it in
half, and stuff it in the envelope? Dell needs to get moving.
Dave
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>     >
>
>  see also:   pr08_028.htm>
>
>  Motorola does this and gives money to schools as part of the deal: 
>    >
>
>  Apple does it too: , see
>  also:    > with the details that:
>
>
>
>  Maximum Measurement of Each Box:  H26 in. x W26 in. x D26 in.
>
>  Maximum Allowable Weight: 60 pounds
>
>  Price: $30.00  (free if you've bought an Apple Mac in the last two
>  years)
>
>  Packaging Materials: Supplied by Customer
>
>  And Dell does the same thing in several mainland cities: 
>    >
>
>
>
>  Jim
>
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[LUAU] iptables question

[Dave Burns]

I am sort of fiddling with iptables and can't seem to get even
something simple working. The config below was intended to just make a
little blacklist containing two ip addresses and a mac address. I
wanted the firewall to drop anything from those three places,
otherwise just accept everything. It does not work. Stuff from a
machine using one of the ip addresses and the mac address is talking
with my DHCP server every 30 minutes, and it is talking back. Do I
need to set the default policy differently? Do I need to restart
iptables or something? I am running a flavor of redhat, and when I
restart iptables it sets up its own default config. Then I do iptables
-F and then set up as below. What am I doing wrong, besides fiddling
with something I do not understand?

mahalo,
Dave


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# iptables -L
Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
DROP   all  --  tmp4.hawaii.edu  anywhere
DROP   all  --  tmp9.hawaii.edu  anywhere
DROP   all  --  anywhere anywherestate NEW
MAC 00:19:B9:E0:63:E0

Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
DROP   all  --  tmp4.hawaii.edu  anywhere
DROP   all  --  tmp9.hawaii.edu  anywhere
DROP   all  --  anywhere anywherestate NEW
MAC 00:19:B9:E0:63:E0

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
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Re: [LUAU] help on port 25

[Dave Burns]

firewall settings? /etc/hosts.deny? Or most probably the default
config of your mail daemon is set not to relay. Any of these could be
what's up.

If you want to test your mailer, why not just send yourself some email?

echo 'testing 123'| mail -s 'testing123' [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Not sure where suse puts the mail logs by default, but if you have a
problem that is the place to look. Or the firewall might cough into a
more general system log.

Are you sure you *want* port 25 accepting incoming non-local
connections? It's just an invitation to spammers to use your cycles
and bandwidth and start other trouble.

Dave

On Nov 8, 2007 10:27 PM, goku ball z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hay guys. I have a funny problem and I just can't figure out.
>   I just installed open suse 10.2
>   here is my problem on the suse box to test to see if port 25 is working i 
> did the following
>
>   telnet localhost 25   and it worked BUT. when I did the following
>
>   telnet domain.com 25  I got connection refused.
>
>   I check the services, dns and everything I can think of can someone 
> point me in the right direction?
>
>   thanks
>   goku
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Re: [LUAU] Recommended FOSS network backup tool

[Dave Burns]

There are several at sourceforge. Amanda looks interesting. Why don't
you tell us about your experience after you get something set up? Wish
I knew more.
Dave

On 11/2/07, R. Scott Belford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Julian Yap wrote:
> > Normally I use command line tools to do network backups.  eg.
> > rsync, mysqldump
> >
> > It works but it's time for a dedicated tool to remove the
> > thought cycles.  Also tools can have pretty graphs.
> >
> > Does anyone have any FOSS network backup tools that they swear
> > by?
> >
> > Main requirements:
> >  - Simple to configure new backups
> >  - Supports multiple backup types.  eg. Files, MySQL, etc...
> >  - Creates reports.  eg. HTML pages you can look at
> >  - Optionally emails reports
>
> I am not sure that it will handle requirement 2, but Backuppc is pretty
> good.
>
> http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html
>
> >
> >
> > Julian
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Re: [LUAU] all your GPU are belong to us

[Dave Burns]

> You're assuming that they can't get in and read /etc/shadow.

If they can, then either you've got a broken configuration and they
will own you in 5 minutes, or they have root already and ordinary
user-level passwords aren't really stopping them from doing much. I
suppose this situation deserves some contemplation, but I'd prefer to
spend a lot more effort preventing them from getting to that point in
the first place.

a hui hou,
Dave
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Re: [LUAU] headless fedora

[Dave Burns]

On 10/21/07, Tom Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a little unclear now - what isn't working?

Well, my brain. I'm a bit confused. Also, I was not actually working
on it today, just gathering intel for the assault.

>  If your default runlevel is 3,
> prefdm (and thus gdm) this will not be run.

That is what I was overlooking. Doh!

> It's not an especially responsible to rely totally on sshd

Yeah, I know, but I only want to attack one subproblem at a time, and
that one appealed to me. Maybe I should go in the opposite order - I
can log in over the serial connection when it is still booted runlevel
5 and has a monitor attached, can't I?

Mahalo,

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Re: [LUAU] headless fedora

[Dave Burns]

Mahalo everyone for the helpful suggestions. But I'm still not clear
on what area of expertise I should be polishing here - init, X, bios?
Headless servers are probably more standard than headly ones, is it
really so simple that no one has bothered to write a specific howto? I
must be missing something big.

> Turn off gdm, xdm or kdm service

Hmm, they're not really services, are they? At least, don't show up in
/etc/rc.d or chkconfig --list. Could it be this entry in /etc/inittab?

grep dm /etc/inittab
# Run xdm in runlevel 5
x:5:once:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

Yeah, apparently so:
 ps -ef|grep -e 2654 -e 2638
root  2638 1  0 00:19 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh
/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
root  2654  2638  0 00:19 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm-binary -nodaemon
root  2730  2654  0 00:19 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm-binary -nodaemon


So I just comment out that line in inittab (to prevent gdm-binary from
getting started)?

Then, since I am rather lazy, I am hoping sshd will come up and I
won't really have to struggle with the serial port stuff. At least,
not right away.

Dave
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[LUAU] headless fedora

[Dave Burns]

Trying to RTFM, but can't seem to find the right FMTR.

I've installed fedora on a dell. I want to unplug the monitor at
least, maybe keyboard and mouse also, and have it still boot. I tried
just unplugging the monitor, but it will not boot that way as
currently configured.

Googling indicates that the bios is the big deal, but my bios doesn't
seem to mention anything about whether or not to expect a monitor or
mouse etc. How do I figure out what bios it uses so I can go to their
web page for more details?

Further, since I used the GUI to set up the machine, it is currently
set up to start X and gnome or whatever on boot. Don't I need to
change something so it won't even try to start all that up? Should I
just tell it to boot to runlevel 1?

Will it talk through the serial port without me nudging it somehow?

I'm sure this must exist somewhere on the net, somehow I am not finding it.

Mahalo in advance for any pointers.
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[LUAU] Re: [HOSEF-managers] Helping HOSEF and Seeing Thunder(birds)

[Dave Burns]

http://tinyurl.com/29xswj

On 9/15/07, R. Scott Belford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the google map link is a bit long, so I leave it to you to map it.
>
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Re: [LUAU] the OSI is a danger to Software Freedom

[Dave Burns]

Sounds like it is bad news for the GPL too, or were you just lumping
GPL together with OSI?

On 8/25/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  From the blog of the General Counsel, (pro bono), of the Open Source
> Initiative:
> http://lawandlifesiliconvalley.blogspot.com/2007/08/new-open-source-
> legal-decision-jacobsen.html
>
> Watch now as OSI licenses start to fall like dominoes before the
> assault of Microsoft and others.
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Re: [LUAU] Google calendar?

[Dave Burns]

Next question - why aren't the Saturday McKinley events or computer guts
etc. on this calendar? Board meetings? I usually have a conflict on
Saturdays, and I have trouble finding out what else is going on. Well, I
used to, but I just gave up a while back.
Dave

On 7/3/07, J. David Beutel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/03/2007 08:03:34 PM:
> On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:16 -1000, J. David Beutel wrote:
>
>> Is there, by any chance, a public Google calendar of HOSEF events such
>> as Cyberpizza?  I'd like to subscribe.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> 11011011
>>
>
> David,
>
> Subscribe to this URL in Google Calendar:
> webcal://www.hosef.org/civicspace/event/ical/all/all
>
> I just tested it out and it works nicely.
>

Thanks, that looks good.  Incidentally I had mistaken Open Source Pizza
for Cyberpizza in general, but it's the open source variety that I'm
interested in particular, so I'm all set.

Cheers,
11011011
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Re: [LUAU] Fwd: [honolulu-coders] SysAdmin position

[Dave Burns]

Hi Clifton,
Honolulu-coders is a small group that meets usually once a month,
usually on the 3rd floor of POST at UH to discuss ruby or java or
something about programming. We also have a yahoo email list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sam Joseph will present tonight, below is some info about tonight's
meeting. Hope to see you there. There will be free pizza.

Dave

***
** H O N O L U L U * C O D E R S * M E E T I N G 
*
This month's Honolulu Coders meeting will take place on Wednesday 30th
May from 6pm to 8pm.

Honolulu-coders mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honolulu-coders/
Join the honolulu coders community:
http://discourse.ics.hawaii.edu/community/sign_up
Member's web page: http://discourse.ics.hawaii.edu/workspace/5

** NEW LOCATION INFORMATION **

This month's meeting will be held in the POST building, room 302, at the
University of Hawaii Manoa campus.

http://www.hawaii.edu/cgi-bin/vtour?Manoa=l=POST?

UoH parking information is here:

http://www.hawaii.edu/parking/visitorParking.html


** NEW MEETING AGENDA **

The meeting's agenda is as follows:

6:00pm - 6:45pm "LinkLens: a new location concept for information
management " Main talk by Sam Joseph

6:45pm - 7:00pm Discussion

7:00pm - 7:15pm Pizza Break sponsored by Ikayzo http://www.ikayzo.com/

7:15pm - 8.00pm Open Ruby workshop by Sam Joseph

The talk abstract and speaker biography is as follows:

Main Talk Title: LinkLens: a new location concept for information management

Main Talk Abstract:

LinkLens is a new approach to information management that provides an
intuitive mix of tagging and folder hierarchies. LinkLens has been
developed in rails and this talk is intended to show as much about
development in rails as it does about the prototype LinkLens interface
which is still in its early stages. LinkLens allows a user to search the
sets of associations between different artifacts such as users,
resources, files, discussions and so on. In the web interface all
artifacts can be dragged and dropped into a context box and the set of
artifacts associated with the those in the context box are then
displayed. The contents of the context box form a location, so other
artifacts can then be dragged and dropped into the results pane which
causes them to acquire associations with the current context artifacts.
This creates a sense of location associated with a set of artifacts and
this serves as an alternative to locations defined by structured
hierachies. The LinkLens system was fast prototyped in Ruby on Rails and
makes extensive use of Ruby on Rails AJAX support.

Main Talk Biography:

Sam Joseph is an assistant researcher in the Department of Information
and Computer Science. Not to be confused with being a research
assistant. Sam has created a full time position for himself by bringing
in industry grants to fund research into computer assisted learning and
augmented reality. Sam has a PhD in cognitive science from the
University of Edinburgh in the UK, and spent a number of years wandering
in industry before returning to the academic fold. He has been
programming in Java since 1998 and in ruby since 2005. His main research
interests are learning & memory, online communities and augmented
reality/mobile computing.

Open Ruby workshop:

Join Sam Joseph as he dicks around with the Ruby console showing us cool
Ruby tricks he learnt this week. Bring along your Ruby programming
questions and we can scratch our heads together :-)



UPCOMING MEETINGS:
April 25th 6-8pm UH POST 302 The Design of Sites Sam Joseph
May 30th 6-8pm UH POST 302 LinkLens Sam Joseph






On 5/30/07, Clifton Royston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Sorry for the noise, but what's honolulu-coders?  I'd never heard of
that list and it sounds like something I should be on.

  -- Clifton

--
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[LUAU] Fwd: [honolulu-coders] SysAdmin position

[Dave Burns]

FYI

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sam Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: May 29, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: [honolulu-coders] SysAdmin position
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear Coders,

We're looking for a full time system adminstrator to work with us at the
Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technology (LILT), here at the
University of Manoa campus. We're particularly interested to hear from
people with experience administering multiple platforms, especially OSX
and debian.

The main grants for the LILT lab are in the fields of social computing,
human-computer interface, mobile applications and augmented reality.
Please contact Sam Joseph off list if you are interested in this
position <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Please do forward this mail to anyone who you think might be interested
in this position.

Many thanks in advance

--
Sam Joseph, Ph.D.
Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technologies
Department of Information and Computer Science
University of Hawaii



UPCOMING MEETINGS:
April 25th 6-8pm UH POST 302 The Design of Sites Sam Joseph
May 30th 6-8pm UH POST 302 LinkLens Sam Joseph

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Re: [LUAU] PFOSSCON 2007

[Dave Burns]

I'd say it was a blazing success. Two speakers out of three very
interesting, the third a bit unfocused but still with something to
say.

Mahalo to all participants and volunteers!

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g

[Dave Burns]

On 12/14/06, Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can
tell.  Vince, correct me if I'm wrong.

What distribution do you use?



Fedora core 5 currently. Guess I am out of luck.

So if I was a yum expert, what Vince said would be all I needed to know? I
could just peek at the repository and that would tell me?

Hmm, the knoppix directory seems pretty old. You guys need some help with
the updating?

Dave
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Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g

[Dave Burns]

Hi Vince and everyone,
Is there anything on the hosef wiki or anywhere with specific info about
setting up yum to use this repository? I of course can read the friendly man
page or online tutorials for general info, but I could use some specific
info about the hosef repository and suggestions for use, for instance:

* Should I replace my old repository/repositories with this one or just add
it to the list?
* Is there a gpg key somewhere?
* Any other useful hints regarding how it is intended typically to be used?

The wiki search seems a bit broken. (Maybe 'yum' is too short? When I search
for yum I get nothing, when I search for "yum.conf" I get a few hits with
yum and conf in the same page, never any actual 'yum.conf' hits.)

I promise to be a good newbie and put something somewhere in the wiki if
someone who knows what's what sends an email with some useful info.

mahalo,
Dave the eternal newbie

On 12/13/06, Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you still have some apt/yum repositories referring to
hosef.ics.hawaii.edu, you will want to change it soon and replace
it with mirrors.hosef.org. The ICS-based hostname will be removed
shortly.

-Vince
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Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen

[Dave Burns]

But for communities like Debian, where terms like these determine whether
a piece of software is included or not, what the term means is very
important.




I'm surprised, I would have thought that debian only cared about the actual
license that was used.
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Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen

[Dave Burns]

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pulpit_20061110_001188.html
If Cringely doesn't see the end is nigh, it isn't. This is just not a big
deal.
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Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen

[Dave Burns]

Course, one needs only to look at the Microsoft - Novell deal to see
just how bad that is.

"Open Source" is dead.  Microsoft co-opted it for its own use.
Film at 11.




This is all too metaphorical for me, I don't understand what people think is
going on. I am not sure what it would mean for "open source" to be dead or
why I should even care.

After way more googling than ought to be necessary (due to everyone's desire
to  say "Oh my God! The horror! The Horror!" instead of discussing any facts
or tactics or actual implications), I suspect (no one actually said this
that I could find) that people are upset that MS may try to attack samba and
or captive ntfs or some other project that reverse engineers some MS code to
exist. The linux kernel is mentioned in the context of the idea that MS may
somehow be able to attack that for some patent violation.

I'm not a lawyer and unfamiliar with the particulars, so I don't know
whether this is just FUD or not, though I suspect if MS had a legal leg to
stand on (or even a belly to flop on) they'd have been suing people years
ago. They like lawsuits. Losing doesn't particularly bother them. If they
had anything to gain by suing, we'd be discussing the lawsuits instead of
the possibility of lawsuits. Apparently the best they can do is to allude
darkly to the possibility of lawsuits and practice their evil laughs.

So I guess I am supposed to be upset that Novell has knuckled under to the
FUD (or been paid off) and and I should worry that that will somehow lead to
all the other major distros hopping in bed with MS or getting sued or just
FUDed into irrelevance aqnd Novell being crowned the only real linux and
totally assimilated into MS and MS gets to charge everyone for using linux
(SUSE) and gets to lord it over the ruins of the open source world just like
they do with the windows world. I just don't see it happening. Maybe I am
not paranoid enough - sure MS would like to try to get a handle on stuff
that reverse engineered their code, they'd love to FUD linux into
irrelevance by suing a bunch of people over patents (even frivolous
lawsuits), but how does this Novell deal help them? People will all flock to
Novell instead of IBM?

And what all this has to do with "open source" being dead or why I should
even care totally escapes me. I guess I have always seen open source as a
fuzzy term, and depended on the actual license on a piece of software to be
not fuzzy.


I am curious what other people think MS will do as a result of this deal. I
am not very interested in vague metaphors. What has Novell given MS that
they did not have before?


Mahalo,
Dave
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Re: [LUAU] httpd version?

[Dave Burns]

Thanks for the extensive suggestions.

On 6/28/06, Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Fedora is focussed on being very cutting edge and developer
driven.  If you are installing a permanent server, I'd recommend
the Linux distribution CentOS


I actually installed this first, but it had a problem with my monitor
or graphics card and I punted. FC5 had no problem.

mahalo,
Dave

[LUAU] httpd version?

[Dave Burns]

Hi guys,
My immediate problem is that I want to get apache's httpd working on a
system where I just installed fedora core 5. It's just lying there in
/usr/sbin, and I don't even know how to figure out what version it is.
So how do I figure out what version of httpd is installed here? Go to
fedora web site somewhere?

Then I need to get ssl and php working. Just head to the apache web
site? google? How would you approach this?

TIA,
Dave

Re: [LUAU] more participation

[Dave Burns]

On 3/24/06, Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I missed the announcement, and it's not on the HOSEF calendar.
> > What/where/who/when?
> The HOSEF calendar is for anyone to submit an event to.



So if I knew when where and what this event will be, I'd put it in the
calendar.

But I have barely a clue. About  building asterisk, sometime Sat.

Please I would like to seriously consider going, when & where is this going
to be?

Dave

Re: [LUAU] more participation

[Dave Burns]

> ..is anyone
> still up for the Asterisk build this weekend?
>

I missed the announcement, and it's not on the HOSEF calendar.
What/where/who/when? Ah, now I found it, subject line was about MYTHTV, I
had skipped it.

I just got a copy of knoppsterisk I'd like to try out, but I don't have a
PBX card yet. I do have a voice modem that theoretically might be of use. Is
it still on?

Dave

Re: [LUAU] LSTP thin client knoppix variant idea?

[Dave Burns]

Good point, but the LSTP stuff has to work with older hardware, I'm not sure
we're improving things if we use up 700MB of RAM with disk image.

The reason this idea appealed to me was that a while back PXE NICs weren't
all that common so when we were setting up a lab we had to put in several
new NICs. A CD is cheaper than a NIC, but a CD drive is not. But lots of the
out-tossed computers we were looking at had CD drives already. Not so many
had 1GB+ of RAM.

I guess if all you want to do is run a thin client with a cheap NIC, you
could use the CD (or memory stick) just to boot & then act like the other
net-booted clients. No big advantage, but a little extra flexibility (at the
cost of extra complexity).

Dave

> Boot, fetch the entire filesystem into memory, write the precious
> parts back as needed (config changes, etc).
>
>

[LUAU] LSTP thin client knoppix variant idea?

[Dave Burns]

Is there any advantage to using a knoppix-like live CD to make a feeble box
into a thin client? I don't know enough about LSTP to know whether this
makes sense - if the server isn't serving os & apps, do you still need it
for anything?

* no need for special NIC, but CD drive or memory stick needed instead.
* Can use a windows box without any mods, sort of a poor man's dual boot.
* needs less memory?

WDYT?

Dave

Re: [LUAU] Re: Computer books for trade? Perl, PostNuke

[Dave Burns]

On 2/18/06, Hawaii Linux Institute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I would suggest
> going one step further by forming a local Linux/Unix co-op library.

I can't help thinking a hosef/luau library would involve a lot of work
for someone and very little benefit.

Why not use the Hawaii public library? I guess if you just donate the
books they might sell them, but my experience dredging through their
catalog is that they rarely throw out any techy books - they have some
that are way too old to be useful to anyone other than an antiquarian.
Members can use the web to request that a book anywhere in the system
be sent to them at the library of their choice when it becomes
available. The basic system is great, the only problems are 1) not
enough good books and videos in their collection and  2) too many
people wanting to borrow them. Maybe we can help with problem 1.

I've been meaning to donate my copy of "Painters and Hackers", the
last time I checked they didn't have a copy.

Is there any advantage at all to reinventing this particular wheel? I
guess you could think that limiting access to hosef/luau members would
be a benefit, but since we're all about outreach, I consider that a
minus not a plus.

Which gives me another good idea - use this to promote HOSEF. Before
donating, write/stamp some HOSEF promo info and URL somewhere in the
book, as in "Donated by Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation
(HOSEF), let us help you even more at http://www.hosef.org";

best,
Dave