Re: [LUAU] Anyone want some computer parts?
Hi Karen, I have a friend who can use the tablet for illustrating work that he dabbles with. Aloha, Rob - Original Message From: Karen Lofstrom klofst...@gmail.com To: LUAU luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 8:08:50 AM Subject: [LUAU] Anyone want some computer parts? Free: A roomy Antec tower case, all aluminum, rolled edges, extremely easy to open -- my spare, I don't need two A Biostar Socket 478 motherboard, with 3 GB memory and no CPU An IDE DVD burner Various IDE cables A keyboard and mouse -- a cheap set, but it's useful to have spares; just that I don't need two sets of spares A Wacom graphic tablet -- I just never got comfortable with it; probably only runs under Windows XP A logic probe I never use If you don't want any of this but know someone who might, let me know. -- Karen Lofstrom cleaning house ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] origins of Project GNU questioned...
--- Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, apparently wnj (Bill Joy) was the unix hacker who didn't understand the PC loser-ing problem (PCLSRing), as referenced in Gabriel's Worse is Better (http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html ): http://programming.reddit.com/info/60uau/comments/c02hjk6 I don't know too much about LISP vs. C Unix, but it would read very much the same if you put Unix in the place of LISP and Windows in place of Unix. interesting. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] AMD 500 CPU
What sort of performance do you need? I have a working Compaq celeron box in the garage (500 or 600 Mhz, I think) that your friend can have, complete with a DVD drive and the win 98 license install CD =-) Aloha, Rob --- HawaiiDakine.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha. Does anyone know where I can pick up a AMD 500 CPU. (Cheap I hope). There used to be a couple of Used Computer places on the Island but the ones I know of don't seem to be around any longer. I need to put together a FreeBSD box so a friend can run an old DOS program on top of it. He needs this progam for his Printing Business. And the company has long been out of business. Last time I priced an older CPU I found I could buy a mobo and new CPU for just a bit more. Is this still the case? Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linux HD Recovery
--- John S. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the HD is intact, you can probably move it to the primary IDE interface and boot straight off of it. Thanks Vince! HD is intact, but the motherboard is kaput. It's an old Athlon and the system I am attaching it to via external USB drive is a recent Dell. I don't think it would be bootable, since the OS is so different(even if I put the drive inside). Also, since the system went down hard, I am sure there are going to be inconsistencies with the drive. Although I don't have drive in front of me, I believe I remember having problems stemming from inconsistencies when I ran vgscan and vgchange âa y. How can I clean up the inconsistencies? Thanks! --John I've had good luck in similar situations by connecting the drive as the primary drive and then booting with a Linux rescue or live CD -- often times, the drive will be mounted automagically. With any luck, you can then copy the needed data and/or run fsck in order to error check the partitions Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
Against my better judgment, Im adding my 2 cents to this on the open list. Like Vince, I think it probably belongs off the list, but when I get 40-odd messages over the course of a day or two, and it is primarily from one or two people, I feel like folks feel that everyone agrees with one point of view, i.e. that their silence is a tacit agreement. As someone who has been around since the pre-HOSEF days (even if mostly as a lurker), I think that it is important that more than just two or 3 people weigh in on this identity issue. First off, I hope nobody will take anything here as a personal attack, as it is not meant to be. It appears to me that this argument is largely a matter of semantics, but I find it ironic that Jim spends a whole paragraph dissecting the various meanings of the free in free software and yet stands by the sweeping generalization: LUAU = HOSEF; HOSEF = LUAU While I understand Jims idea that they are largely overlapping and composed of many of the same people, the LUAU == HOSEF is a gross oversimplification. In my opinion, this is simply not the case; in spite of the fact that many of the people in one group are in the other, they are not the same. LUAU is a Linux / *nix User Group, albeit only a virtual one nowadays. HOSEF is a non-profit org with a mission is to promote and sustain the use of Open Source Software through advocacy, outreach, support, and the recycling of donated computer eWaste from the general public. Even if both groups were entirely composed of the exact same members (which they are not) and nobody had any personality conflicts (which we know is not true), we are still left with two distinct purposes, and therefore two distinct groups, in spite of the overlap. While it is nice the HOSEF has shouldered the responsibility of providing services to host the LUAU list for the past several years, it does not follow that suddenly the two groups are now the same. Generally, I dont think it makes any real difference in practice, but when saying something like HOSEF == LUAU starts causing list-flames and threatened (real?) unsubscribes over semantics, I think it is an opinion that is best left for coffee shop debates or off-list discussions. My opinion is that the LUAU list should remain accessible to all, and it seems that by making it implicitly identified with HOSEF, it seems that it is threatening to some people who disagree with HOSEF or its principal (for whatever reason). Like Vince, responses are preferred via private mail. Thanks, Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Fighting Nudity at the Ewa Beach Park
This is probably off topic, but how did you come up with the subject line? Are the firefox settings being used to prevent access to adult content? --- R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha All With each firefox update of our K12LTSP lab at the park in Ewa Beach, the proxy settings are overwritten. Wilson Chan has so kindly shown how to correct this, but a savvy kid can still edit his/her personal preferences for a direct connection to the Internet. I posted the following to the K12LTSP list earlier, I am needing to lock down firefox on a K12LTSP5 installation. I wonder if this http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00580.html is still the advised way? It involves executing a script that Andy put together. It's been almost two years since it was posted, and I can't google any newer methods. Wilson is looking at the script referenced above. I thought I would kick this out to our larger braintrust, though, in case there were any other innovations. Your help would be most appreciated. --scott ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LUAU] Am I going to TPOSSCON - If not why?
Hi there, You may not know me, I'm a list lurker 99% of the time for the past many years, and just now wading through the smoldering backlog of mail from the past week on LUAU and HOSEF / HOSEF managers. I just wanted to thank you for: a) trying to keep a level head and calm things down when the flames were flying and b) sharing this insightful story -- the suggestiong to bring solutions instead of just problems wherever possible strikes me as a sort of professional collary of if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything Aloha, Rob --- Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allow me to tell a story. Back when I was the hot-shit network (telecommunications and data communications) stud at Sun Microsystems, (late 80s, and very early 90s), back when a lot of people called me Jim net.god Thompson, my new boss, (I'd just been moved up), a very wise Indian gentleman, stopped me during one of my weekly 1:1 rants. Jim, he said to me, you always bring me problems, but never solutions! (You have to imagine it with a thick Indian accent.) I was, in a word, enlightened. Sam Rangole (for that was his name) had shined a perfect spotlight on my misbehavior. I was complaining about how stupid the other groups were, how far they had to go, and how they were not going to reach the goal anytime soon. He didn't waste any breath giving me yes but, or you should, he simply asked me to start bringing him something he could use to do his job.: Solutions (from an expert). In my new state of enlightenment, I started working harder. I would see a problem, diagnose it, and never raise it to Sam's attention without a suggested path forward. The results were amazing, rather than fear me, people I worked with started to seek me out. How can I make this better? Will you check my results? I was no longer someone who would tear them down, but rather *could be counted on* to make them look better. So, everyone, please bring forward solutions to the problems you pose. Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LUAU] doing 'e'
--- Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, of course, is a long-standing member of the Unix community. (And thanks, I didn't know about The Music of Streams. Here is a large collection of programming e-books. http://www.programmingebooks.tk/ just in-case anyone is getting the itch. This link didn't work -- has the site moved? I tried a couple of google's and ketp getting 'not found' errors Aloha, Rob __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [LUAU] Interesting article - $100 laptop being developed at MIT
Considering the reports I have heard about air pollution and other pollution problems in in China, I think it would be a drop in the bucket, and worth the trade off. With any luck, they will have some better methods of handling IC and circuit board waste recycling in the years to come. --- Tim Newsham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're targetting developing nations, but this could be a real boon [...] laptop, in my opinion. Heck, with the dynamo crank, its even enviro-friendly! That is really cool! I just hope that in 5-10 years we dont have a few billion laptops going into landfills in developing countries. Tim Newsham http://www.lava.net/~newsham/ ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[LUAU] Interesting article - $100 laptop being developed at MIT
I saw this in one my tech newsletters: http://news.com.com/The+100+laptop+moves+closer+to+reality/2100-1044_3-5884683.html They're targetting developing nations, but this could be a real boon for any students anywhere. They mention a possible commercial version in the $200-$300 range, which would still be a killer opportunity for an education tool. Heck, I would get one for myself -- its got a hand crank for power backup, its small, and inexpensive -- the perfect laptop, in my opinion. Heck, with the dynamo crank, its even enviro-friendly! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[LUAU] from newsforge: Detroit school chooses Openoffice over MS Office
Interesting article from Newsforge about a Detroit schoolusing Openoffice http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/05/18/1944227.shtml?tid=130tid=93 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: [LUAU] Cherry gets a Clue
I'm confused it says its launching 5-1-2005 what did they learn exactly? --- R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose that many of you have been keeping up, when possible, with the CherryOS debacle. Well, it appears that the clue stick came down pretty hard lately. Go figure http://www.cherryos.com/ This is good news to the many of us who endeavor to make Hawaii a responsible consumer and producer of FLOSS. I applaud CherryOS for learning. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [LUAU] Might I Be Hacked II
Just a wild guess, but check to make sure you have plenty of space in your partitions. A few years ago I had a little web and game server that doubled as my workstation. All of a sudden, it was on its face for no apparent reason, and it turned out that the partition with the mail spool was too small and the incoming mail had filled it up completely. After we freed up space in the partition, no more problems. Good luck! Rob --- John S. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I had run top and ps trying to find issues, but found nothing. I went into my web logs to look through them and noticed that one or two had grown rather large. So I gzipped them all and put them into a backup folder. On a subsequent reboot of the system, the system is not coming up. During the boot-up process, after the default system font is set, the prompt for Interactive bootup comes up and then the screen blanks out as if going into X windows. The X changes into an hourglass and keeps turning and turning. It never seems to come up. I can't ping the system, so I guess it isn't going into that part of the startup. And the kicker-I have been working on this site and JUST got the last bit of it up this morning and intended to back up everything now that it is completed...ARGH! --John ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [LUAU] Tonights Think Tech Law
Not be critical, since I appreciate having the notifications posted, but I frequently stop checking my e-mail during the mid afternoon as I wrap up things for the day. If you put the notices out during mid-morning, I would be much more likely to get the word in time to try and tune into the show. Aloha, Rob --- Maddog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you may be interested in checking out tonights TTLaw series at Pioneer Plaza Financing Tech Startups: Creation of Value and Capital Structure as Pre-Requisites for Investment September 14, 2004 (5-7 p.m.) PART ONE OF FINANCING TECH STARTUPS IN HAWAII Creation of Value and Capital Structure as Pre-Requisites for Investment Presented by Stuart Pressman, Darren Nunn and Bill Spencer. Stuart, Darren and Bill will discuss the things an entrepreneur needs to do to create value for his idea, including protection of intellectual property rights, development of value in contract relationships and strategic alliances; selection of corporate and capital structures calculated to create marketable valuations and attract worthy investors; relevant legal and tax considerations. Maddog ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
[LUAU] Laserjet 1000 help -- mechanical, not OSS
Since this list bhas the best collection of techies, I'm hoping somebody might be able to help out One of our office laserjet 1000's suddenly began making a loud grinding noise today. Based on the sound, it seems like it is coming from the righthand side where the gears on the fuser roller interface with the gears in the toner cartridge. The fuser roller appears to be spring loaded, so I am guessing there is some wear on these gears. I tried another toner cartridge from another LJ 1000 in the office and get the same grinding noise. Are repair parts available for this? I'm fairly handy with my hands and can probably handle it if it isn't going to be some sring-loaded explosion of parts all over the workbench if I don't recite some secret HP voodoo chant =-), but I might need some general instructions to get over the hump... ing up on 128.171.104.133. --- Original message follows. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.52.184.134] by web60705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:53:34 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help with dying (dead?) Laserjet 1000 ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since this list bhas the best collection of techies, I'm hoping somebody might be able to help out One of our office laserjet 1000's suddenly began making a loud grinding noise today. Based on the sound, it seems like it is coming from the righthand side where the gears on the fuser roller interface with the gears in the toner cartridge. The fuser roller appears to be spring loaded, so I am guessing there is some wear on these gears. I tried another toner cartridge from another LJ 1000 in the office and get the same grinding noise. Are repair parts available for this? I'm fairly handy with my hands and can probably handle it if it isn't going to be some sring-loaded explosion of parts all over the workbench if I don't recite some secret HP voodoo chant =-), but I might need some general instructions to get over the hump... __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
[LUAU] any laptops left from the Hosef giveaway?
I didn't make it down to the HOSEF giveaway because I was trying to curb my habit of adopting stray boxen in need of good homes, but after I checked my e-mail that night, I saw that there were some older laptops scheduled for liberation as well. If anybody picked up one that they could spare, I can use a cheap laptop for my school work -- anything that can run off it's own battery and do simple work (web, e-mail, word processing, etc), and preferably something I can put a wireless card of some sort in. Drop me an e-mail if you have something that will fit the bill. Of course, free would be preferred, but cheap would also be considered for the right machine. Thanks! Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] Be on the lookout for Stolen laptops
I wonder if there is a fax list for pawn shops, too? --- Brian Chee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've actually sent the exact same stuff to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and nothing was on the radio this morning I've also sent this out to every computer shop that I had in my rolodex and every support organization and every major university/college I had access toso hopefully we've closed the doors on these idiots. I'm also tinkering with hosting a stolen computing device list, but gotta talk to my legal beagles first on that... /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 877-284-1934 fax __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Re: Printing on FreeBSD
I didn't find out about free kits, but I bought one for $10 or $15 online that fixed the problem. Basically a sticky-back peice of rubber to replace the worn one in the pickup mechanism of the printer. Super easy to do, and fixed the problem on my machine as well. Well worth checking into if you have one of these machines that is acting up. --- Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha! I don't know if they still issue them, but they were issuing free repair kits for that exact trouble issue on the HP 1100's. I will try to dig up the URL and post it here to order the kit. I had two 1100's with the same problem. The kits didn't require taking the printer apart and only took about 2 minutes to install. I installed the kits on my printers about a year ago and they have been working flawlessly since. I still have one printer and I gave the other one away. I would try that route first before going and chucking 70 or 100 bones for a new printer. Derrick On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feed is screwed up. There is a known issue with HP laserjet 1100. I see it on their website. Several sheets are fed at once. The paper holder is vertical and the lifter wears and eventually picks up several sheets or even cards at a time. This is driving me nuts. The printer is a 1999 model and has been well used. I am looking at a HP 5650 Parallel port installed printer. A desk jet. For $89.00. I think it will work on FreeBSD. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.9 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 We support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 -- Worry about my data? NEVER!!! I USE LINUX!!! ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: [luau] [OT] Konami
Actually, I believe they still have offices in Waikiki near Duty Free. I have a friend who works three, they do game development for Game Boy, and I'm pretty sure it was Konami that she works for. --- Virgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have a presence here in Hawaii but most of their development is done in Japan and San Francisco. They were hiring graphic artists once but now I hardly hear of them. I think they were doing deals with Square then. But when Square folded they went with them. Virgil __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Getting Donations
I would suggest approaching any small- to medium-sized business, as they may equipment they are replacing. As most will not bother to sell older equipment, they may find it attractive to hae the donateion as a tax write-off (assuming you're LUG is a non-profit). Aloha, Rob --- Florian Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Since HOSEF/LUAU gets a lot of donations id thought id ask you guys for some advice. I'm trying to get some hardware donated to my local lug, with out much success. Do you guys think it would be in-appropriate to aproach some local electronics stores (BestBuy CompUSA etc) about donations ? We're not looking for entire computers mainly just a few hard-drives. Thanks for any advice, Florian ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Re: HOSEF Logo Vote
I'll vote for #6 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please vote for one of the two logos, #5 or #6, by posting to the Luau mailing list. Deadline 27-June-2003, 11:59pm. http://www.hosef.org/logo.html Mahalo, Enrico ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
RE: [luau] Re: HOSEF Logo Vote
Tux-penguin == better than generic penguin -- it emphasizes the Open Source ties. Rob --- Taylor Cody L Contractor 502 AOS/PETS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. -Original Message- From: Nakashima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Re: HOSEF Logo Vote In my humble opinion, the more Tux-like the penguin is, the better. A recognizable Tux silhouette butt-surfing would work for me. --Peter On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Ted Kanemori wrote: This note is for everyone else who's going to vote: Does the penguin have to look exactly like Tux or are we looking for a figure that symbolizes(looks like) a penguin, and thus represents Linux? Does the penguin's arms have to be short, straight and pointy to look like a real penguin, or can it show off a fun attitude/time? Does the penguin have to be well balanced on the surfboard like a professional surfer, or does it matter? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
[luau] HOSEF / how to set up a non-profit
Aloha Mr. Belford My name is Rob Green, and I know of you from the LUAU mailing list and your work with HOSEF. I wanted to see if I can ask you for any info you might be able to point me towards as far as establishing a non-profit organization. We are trying to re-establish our karate club, and we have found that we are highly restricted in our ability to use school and park facilities without having an official non-profit status. Since the only fees we collect (aside from test or registrations fees for the parent organizations) are to cover the costs of dojo rent, liability insurance, etc., we wanted to research the possibility to set up a non profit org to help facilitate the karate instruction. Any info or links to information that you could offer would be most appreciated. Thanks and Aloha, Rob Green __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] HOSEF / how to set up a non-profit
ARG! forgot to change the reply-to address. Sorry folks! That was supposed to go directly to Scott. vainly clicking browser's back button __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Gov Tech Magazine Article
--- Dennis T. Ching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was interesting that nobody really knows how it works yet, but it is working... --Dennis I think its is a case of the people at the ground level have a good grasp on it, and the upper management just taking the techies' word that it is a Good Thing [TM] . since they rarely interview the people doing the real work in DoD, the impression is that *nobody* knows how it works, when its maingly the upper ecehlon that is in the dark or at least that is my guess based on my time in the service Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Fuel for the Linux Fire
--- Casey Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I noticed something else a little interesting in both bills. They both mentioned that the state governments would have to avoid acquiring products that do not comply with open standards for interoperability or data storage; and avoid acquiring products that are known to make unauthorized transfers of information to, or permit unauthorized control of or modification to the state government's computer systems by, parties outside the control of the state government. Seems a little like common sense, but I wonder how proprietary vendors will take that? Casey Roberts Don't the newer Windows versions allow just these types of unauthorized control and outside modification ? I thought I read something to that effect I think it was in here... Spyware / invasion of privacy in MS win XP http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] server question
--- Vince Hoang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure what you mean by a daemon vs. rc.local. Adding something to rc.local is a quick hack, but you might want to add a script to /etc/init.d and offering start/stop services so things run more cleanly. -Vince I didn't have the original question, but I do something similar using rc.local to start a game server on bootup. Is there a pointer or reference or example on how to do a start/stop services script like this? Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Personal Touch (was anyone know of a good computer repair place?)
I've also been there more than a few times for hard drives and other components, and they have been helpful gave me good prices and service, including giving me a little bit of a price break when I bought $600 worth of components a month ago to build a new system. I was really suprised to hear people have had trouble there. --- Deven Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know what's been going on with you guys or how long it's been since you have gone to Personal Touch, but I have bought literally over $100K in equipment from them for myself and others and NEVER had a problem with anything. They have repaired four laptops for me over the last 3 years with PERFECT results. YMMV Deven __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Belford sytlin'
I checked his site several times, I never found anything referencing Scott ... was it only in the print edition, or did they change their mind about what lead story to run this month? --- Ho'ala Greevy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The e-biz cover story for the March 2003 isssue of Hawaii Business Magazine (www.hawaiibusiness.cc) has none other than our very own Scott Belford gracing the spread with a Pricebusters linux terminal. The piece deals with the local open source movement as it relates to business here. It's well-thought out and nicely put together. LUAU is indirectly mentioned as well. should be hitting the stands soon, Ho'ala ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
[luau] paperless document management
I wonder if anybody on the list has had experience with converting or duplicating paper records (including text, scannable documents, photos, images, etc) into a digital format, and how best to manage search and retrieval. I have a large group of client records that I am considering either conversion to digital or backing pu onto digital and storage of older records off site, and I wondered if there were any suggestions on how to go about it. Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] GLUUG, Friday Evening, 6:30PM -- Reservations?
Hehe, I was going to say, I didn't think Fergusson's took reservations, and I'm pretty sure they don't have a table for 10! grin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woops - you are right - it is Murphy's. On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:36:28AM -1000, Ben Timmerman wrote: Uh, this is the first time that I've heard Ferguson's mentioned as the __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] users meet
--- Vince Hoang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A pizza parlor for a future outing would be cool. DB (Dave Busters) would be fun, but very expensive. -Vince Nothing against Fergusson's (I like that place) but for pizza pubs, Magoo's at Puck's Alley has some parking, decent pizza and other food, but best of all, many beer selections on draft at excellent prices. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
[luau] Re: HOSEF Public Schools (was: Trolls)
--- Nakashima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, al plant wrote: The Hawaii DOE is useless in any case. ( But the new Gov. is trying to change it.) We should stick to the private schools like Mid PAC and renegades in the State System like Mililani that appreciate the Open Source movement and the help HOSEF can provide. I'm the TC at a public school. Painting all public schools with one brush won't help your cause. There are many of us in the public school system who truely appreciate what HOSEF is trying to do. However, I am new to this list. I just recently found out about HOSEF. I'm trying to get a feel for what HOSEF is all about. Does everyone feel as Al does? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
[luau] Re: HOSEF Public Schools (was: Trolls)
Doh! sorry about that last one, hit the wrong key I think there is a tendancy of many folks in the Open Source camp (myself included) to get a little overzealous in doling out generalizations, particularly when we're faced with people who don't understand why we know Open Source is a better answer for many tasks. I don't think feels that what Al said here really represents how I feel on this issue, and I'm sure many others who have their own opinions as well. Aloha, Rob --- Nakashima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, al plant wrote: The Hawaii DOE is useless in any case. ( But the new Gov. is trying to change it.) We should stick to the private schools like Mid PAC and renegades in the State System like Mililani that appreciate the Open Source movement and the help HOSEF can provide. I'm the TC at a public school. Painting all public schools with one brush won't help your cause. There are many of us in the public school system who truely appreciate what HOSEF is trying to do. However, I am new to this list. I just recently found out about HOSEF. I'm trying to get a feel for what HOSEF is all about. Does everyone feel as Al does? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
[luau] re: Public Schools (was: 'trolls')
Doh! sorry about that last one, hit the wrong key I think there is a tendancy of many folks in the Open Source camp (myself included) to get a little overzealous in doling out generalizations, particularly when we're faced with people who don't understand why we know Open Source is a better answer for many tasks. I don't think feels that what Al said here really represents how I feel on this issue, and I'm sure many others who have their own opinions as well. Aloha, Rob --- Nakashima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, al plant wrote: The Hawaii DOE is useless in any case. ( But the new Gov. is trying to change it.) I'm the TC at a public school. Painting all public schools with one brush won't help your cause. There are many of us in the public school system who truely appreciate what HOSEF is trying to do. However, I am new to this list. I just recently found out about HOSEF. I'm trying to get a feel for what HOSEF is all about. Does everyone feel as Al does? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] hyperthreading facts
I don't know much about Hyperthreading, but do the applications need to be specially optimized and/or recompiled for you to get performance increases, or will standard applications see these types of improvements just due to the CPU alone? Thanks! Rob --- R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/?ca=dgr-lnxw01HyperThread#resources Intel Xeon Hyper-Threading is definitely having a positive impact on Linux kernel and multithreaded applications. The speed-up from Hyper-Threading could be as high as 30% in stock kernel 2.4.19, to 51% in kernel 2.5.32 due to drastic changes in the scheduler run queue's support and Hyper-Threading awareness. ... This article was linked from Slashdot. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] hyperthreading facts
--- MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Green wrote: I don't know much about Hyperthreading, but do the applications need to be specially optimized and/or recompiled for you to get performance increases, or will standard applications see these types of improvements just due to the CPU alone? Thanks! Rob Anything that would benefit from SMP can potentially benefit from HyperThreading. In other words, if your app is threaded (and the threads are doing different things, using different functions of the CPU), it can benefit. You can also benefit if you're running more than one process (you are). The kernel sees the HyperThreaded CPU as 2 CPUs and schedules between them appropriately. However, the 2.5 series that's HyperThreading aware knows the limitations and benefits of hyperthreading (shared cache, etc). Therefore, it will schedule according to this (especially useful in situations where you have more than one HyperThreading CPU). --MonMotha I am primarily concerned with applications like MUDs (chatroom like envirmonment) and web servers - I take it these would get an excellent benefit from Hyperthreading, then? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general
Are all industry hard drive warrantees now shortened to 1 year? Are any of the drives carrying longer warrantees? Aloha, Rob --- Dustin Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha, I have 4 80GB western digital drives and I had to replace all 4 of them within 9 months of buying them. They all failed with data unrecoverable, about every other month. That sucked. The new drives have been fine and Western Digital support was very good about rushing me a replacement drive before I sent back the bad one. Dusty __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] talking smack
Keep your chin up, Charles I find myself deleting nearly everything I start to compose along these lines because either: 1) I'm afraid it will just fan the flames 2) I figure somebody else is going to say it anyway (which they do, even if worded differently) 3) I doubt the person will respond to the feedback Aloha, Rob --- Charles Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many times I've started writing a contribution, then reviewed it to make sure that I'm not criticizing anyone directly, and by the time I'm done I usually end up just deleting the post. Which is probably what I should be doing right now. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] Advertiser open source article
--- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Oct/15/tc/tc01a.html This is the guy that wrote the very uninformed article a few months ago saying that the browser war was over, Internet Explorer won, and it was a waste of time to try anything else. I'm glad to see he's learning. Warren Several of us e-mailed him to complain about that article ... in fairness to Mr. Lum, his article was supposed to be along the lines of the browswer war is over . or is it? but due to bad editing at the paper, they cut out the the last sentences of the article that gave the lead in to the next feature, which focused on alternatives to IE. Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Graphic art design
--- Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wondered that myself, because I know sometimes things come through as a double post. Also when you are new to some list, or a strange one like a Linux list then you might not acutely know if your message went through. My impression is the guy was just a friendly innocent guy who needed some real help. To blast him right away for netiquette issues seems a bit hyper to me. It probably would have been better to just let it go unless there was more evidence that it was an actual problem. Perhaps we could have a volunteer who could gently steer newbies or mild violations in the proper direction without getting too harsh on them? Or a Luau List Ettiquette article that can be gently worded and sent to offending parties? In all fairness, I personally don't see any problem with the occasional commercial posting, providing it is related to the list, such as the infrequnt links to job openings of interest to non-MS IT professionals or announcments of open-source bases businesses and entrepenuers. I wouldn't want to see these postings everyday, but a couple of them in any given week doesn't seem unreasonable. Just my 2 cents worth =-) Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] non-profit incorporation
--- R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Great suggestion. It should be more general. Let's generalize. I like how the following rolls of the tongue: Hawaiian Open Source Technology Foundation or Hawaiian Foundation for Open Source Technology scott I echo the idea of keeping it more general, and I think Hawaiian Foundation for Open Source Technology is a good one ... and not just because I thought of the cool acronym Hawaiian FrOST will fit with it, either grin. Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] New Linux Worm Threatens Serious Denial Of Service Attacks Sept. 16, 2002
--- Eric Hattemer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But seriously, does Jaguar actually do anything worthy of giving it its own name? -Eric Hattemer I don't keep up on Macs that much (I was told if we went to OSX on my wife's G3 it would be slow as cold molasses), but I do recall reading in the paper that Max OS 10.2 supports the native Hawaiian language punctuation markings properly, which is apparently the first major platform to do so. I'm sure there must be some other worthwhile things. Aloha, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Commercial Announcement Policy - Request for Comment
This seems like a reasonable idea. The vendor can submit the info, and notify the list, and after a certain number of people rate it, it gets the yeah or nay. --- MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a K5 like system for these kinds of things. People post their opportunity to a website, and people who have time to spare or who are interested in these things moderate it. Once it hits a certain score, it gets posted to the list for all to see. This makes the peer review a bit more fair as it's not just one or a few people, but anyone who is willing to take a little time to browse through all of them to pick the ones that they feel are in the best interest of the community. --MonMotha __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Have a drink at the Elks?
Doh! Didn't mean to send that to the whole list --- Robert Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha Wayne, My wife keeps talking about wanting to join the Elks; if its not too nosy, can you tell me what the ballpark cost is for membership? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy
Perhaps the best idea would be to have a separate list centered around the Linux for Schools project, particularly for the non-geek types? --- Jimen Ching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will not support efforts to water down geek culture for the sake of I agree that there should be a forum where 'geek' culture can express themselves without fear. But it all depends on the goals. Strategically however, it will be a bad move. If the Luau list is going to be used as the Linux For Schools discussion list, then I am reminded of the honey vs. vinegar saying. There is a target audience for this project, and they ARE NOT the 'geek' culture. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy
--- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 09:19, Gary Sublett wrote: Frankly, I am more troubled by the lack of trimming and off topic threads than the unsubstantiated controversial comments. Thank you for your polite suggestion. I will need to look into that later today. I am in agreement that lack of trimming and off topic posts are a problem. Regarding unsubstantiated posts, I do not want to censor anyone. I find it annoying when people make assertions without evidence... but yeah, this shouldn't be a hard rule... perhaps just strongly suggested. I agree with the overall ideas of the policy that was posted before, but I think some of it is probably worded too strongly. In my opinion, the lack of trimming is a GLARING problem that has been ongoing with this list (and the previous incarnation of it) as far back as I can recall, clear back to when LUAU had active meetings. It has been brought up probably 3 to 4 times a year, and generally there is improvement, although there are some folks who seem to be chronically lazy about not trimming posts. Regarding the off-topic posts, I think a minor degree of straying is OK if it doesn't mess up the signal-noise ratio too much. Generally it hasn't struck me as being excessive yet, with 1 or 2 minor exceptions. The unsubstantiated bashing and related posts are definately not a good thing, but I really don't think censorship is the answer -- again, though, there seem to be people who take every possible opportunity to answer every question with that's the big problem with (insert OS or application name here) and you should switch to (their pet application / OS). I think its all well and good to suggest alternatives programs or platforms, but to use cars as an analogy, some people take it to the point of suggesting you go get a Toyota when you are only asking how to change the oil in a Honda. Personally, I have felt that those types of responses are as bad as being off topic, since they're a waste of bandwidth, since it isn't a constructive answer to somebody's legitimate question. If it's not a constructive response, why would you want to send it out to the whole list? Just my 2 cents on the matter -- I guess the bottom line is, a new policy is good, as long as it is an encouraged one and not a rigidly enforced one. Useful information, flexibility and fun for all should be the focus of things. Aloha, Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] LUAU archive
This is a handy resource, but I don't suppose there is any way to add a search function, is there? --- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remember that the list is archived on the Mailman web based interface. Every LUAU post since November 1998 is there currently, and we will soon add even older posts that were recently unearthed by Dusty. http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/pipermail/luau/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Monitor Repair guy?
I'd be interested in getting this info, too - I have an ailing big boy monitor that has a fussy power supply (it only comes on when it feels like it, and I have to sit there cycling the power off and on a random number of times until it feels cooperative and comes online). --- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott gave several of our broken monitors to this guy that repairs monitors in his garage. Does anyone have the address and contact information for this guy? We have about 15 more broken monitors. Warren __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
[luau] HELP please, need undelete / data recovery utility for FAT32 (Win 98)
Hi Folks, I am trying to fix a system for a friend. It is (was) a windows 98 machine, and his ex-employee either dragged the whole drive into the trash can, or did a recursive delete from the command line -- I don't know which one it was. When you start the machine, it will come up to the C:\ prompt, and the directory listing shows COMMAND.COM and a couple of other hidden/archive/read-only files. I don't have the directory printout since we didn't have any internet connection at his shop (that was one of the things the machine was used for). He doesn't know where the original restore CD is, and I don't think they had any backup (DOH!). He was out of town when the machine was sabotaged. Anyhow, to make a long story short, I am looking for a CLI undelete type program that will work with win 98 (I think that's a FAT 32 file system?), preferably an open-source or free util. Does the Dos 5.x undelete util work for win 98? since I'm doing this as a favor and I don't want to spend big money on this. I don't mind my time, but I can't shell out hundreds on dedicated data recovery software for this. I'm hoping it will be an easy fix (it doesn't look like the culprits were terribly smart about how it was done, and I am wondering if a simple undelete type program will work. Short of that, I can try restoring files to a second drive and then seeing if I can put the peices back on. Any help would be greatly appreciated -- thanks in advance, folks! Aloha, Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] HELP please, need undelete / data recovery utility for FAT32 (Win 98)
He's not interested in changing his OS, he's interested in getting back the data from the machine that his ex-employees wiped. Thanks for the suggestion, though. --- al plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just converted a crashed Win 98 to Red hat 7.2 Linux with Open Office. Try that it will be a better box for your friend. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Shell Script Help
It was posted on the old list ... we all thought you were here and just lurking =-P - Rob --- Mike Ballon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To those that don't know me Aloha, to those that do how come nobody told me about the new list :P __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Red Hat vs. Mandrake vs. SuSE
With respect to the subject Red Hat vs. Mandrake vs. SuSE, I am actually in a very serious mode (definitely not in an experimental mode). I am very interested in a Linux distro that can legitimately replace Windows for business desktops. I have all the four FreeBSD 4.6 CDs, but there is just so much time in life. Warren, I started out with slackware back in the 0.9X kernel days, and switched to Red Hat shortly afterwards. Once I was introduced to Mandrake (about 2 years ago, 7.2, I think) I have never looked back. It installs easily, works well with the default installation and plays nicely with all the hardware I have had so far. I really can't give a balanced perspective though, because once I tried Mandrake the first time, I have never had any urge to play with any of the other distros. I've really been impressed with Mandrake, especially the ease of installation and setup -- key factors for appealing to the desktop situation, where people want to go to work and not have to feel like a *nix propellor-head at least that's my 2 cents worth, anyways. Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Underclocking / Aluminum cases
Your idea of just leaving the cover off is less efficient than a well-designed case with good air flow via a case fan, unless you're going to use a room fan to blow into the open case (or other method to increase the air flow across the components). Cooling (heat transfer) is a function of the thermal properties of the meterials involved (heat sink metal, and the air or water cooling medium) combined with the flow rate of the coolant (i.e. air circulation or water flow). Without a strong air flow, you rely mainly on radiant heat transfer and natural convection. Forced convection using a fan / pump in a closed case is much more effecient, assuming the case has good air flow paths available. --- Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refrigeration systems tend to use Steel in the condenser coil (the hot one) and aluminum or copper in the evaporative coil. My feeling is that copper would tend to hold the heat, for example a copper clad bottom on a pot or skillet. I'm pretty certain that aluminum cooling fins are the most efficient, although aluminum car radiators aren't very good while car radiators with copper fins are common and easy to repair. This is incorrect. Copper is a better heat conduction than aluminum or steel. The reasons steel and aluminum are in common use is cost, weight, strength and corrosion resistance. Maybe wayne can get the heater coil out of a car and put that outside his house with a small electric water pump. Then he could pipe in the cooled water through a copper tube forced in between the fins of an aluminum heat sink. A pre-made water cooling system would probably be a better option than a home-grown one. It can be devillishy hard to get a leak-proof system without the proper tools, materials and practice; a small leak in a car is not a big deal, but a spray onto a motherboard is basically guaranteed to fry a computer. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Underclocking / Aluminum cases
Yeah, I'd never do it that way, I am always short of outlets. I keep the cases closed up and save the desk fan for pointing at ME! g I've noticed the interference when I realized I can't keep em on my desk itself or it scrambles the monitor display. --- MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be really careful with desk/room fans as they have really ugly magnetic fields and can cause total EMI chaos in your comp. ... --MonMotha __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Underclocking
Thinkgeek has a fancy cooling fin type setup at: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/fun-stuff/5a94.shtml that looks like it provides a ton of heat exchange. It may not allow you to completely eliminate the fan (although its possible) but certainly you might be able to get by withg something a lot less noisy. Aloha, Rob --- W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With GHz so inexpensive and so irrelevant, perhaps the new name of the game should now be changed to underclocking--such that we may be able to do away with the CPU fan. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Underclocking
--- W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with a fancy heat sink is that (I used to teach heat transfer in college), when the fins collect dust, the heat transfer efficiency will be compromised substantially. The fancier the fins are designed, the more substantial the reduction will be. The best approach is to underclock the CPU, or use a mobile Athlon. Right, I've studied some heat transfer as well; I haven't experimented, with things, but I would think that the degree of dust collection over the life of an average computer should be fairly minor. You would still get a lot of heat better heat dissipation compared to just a bare CPU, regardless of the clock speed. I think that it is likely that even significant underclocking may not result in a sufficient reduction in heat output to eliminate the need for a heat sink entirely. At any rate, it seemed like it might be useful for what you were asking about. Aloha, Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Underclocking
No, thinkgeek was the only place I had heard of the Zalman. I guess you'd have to call around. Alternate idea: Peltier cooler ... I think several of the electronics surplus/supply places have them. Maybe allelectonics.com still has those. No moving parts, but the downside would be that it might heat up the rest of the inside of the case excessively. --- W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that it is likely that even significant underclocking may not result in a sufficient reduction in heat output to eliminate the need for a heat sink entirely. Heat sink is OK. Since a heat sink does not make any noise, I am willing to put up with the largest heat sink in the world. My key concern is, how much a fancy heat sink will lose its heat dissipation efficiency over time. But the Zalman Copper CPU Cooler does seem to be a very interesting system. Do you know any local store(s) may carry it? __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Re: 1st batch of USAF Dell computers
--- MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Dell doesn't have a flash available, you might want to call them up and ask them if they could make one. They seem to have changed their policy on proprietary RAM (though not proprietary PSUs yet...). --MonMotha Speaking of proprietary PSU's, I have a Dell machine at home that needs a power supply, if anybody has an extra Dell PSU they don't need, I'd appreciate it. I wanted to set it up as a web server / firewall box to replace my 486 Freesco machine. Aloha, Rob G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
[luau] Re: UML / read-only root file system (Was: INFO: Heavy duty storage needs)
--- MonMotha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used UML before to isolate services. Ever tried breaking out of a chroot jail? This is even better. Ever tried breaking a system where the only thing available is a readonly root filesystem with a single daemon and a few required utils? Gotta love UML :) --MonMotha Pardom my ignorance, but what's UML ? And how do you get a readonly root file system? CD-ROM, or is it just the file permissions? I'm planning on setting up a web server and a MUD server and it might be handy to know how to make it tamper proof, as it were Thanks, Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] [Article] Preinstalled Windows: AARGH! I can't get it off!
Time for: As far as we know, this machine never had Windows installed on it bored shrug grin - Rob --- Rodney Kanno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you find the actual link? Whoops...here's the link http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html -- Take Action! Oppose the CBDTPA! http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html -- Rodney Kanno Webpage: http://home.hawaii.rr.com/kanno65 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
[luau] Related to our mission : E-cycling
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/27/1331232 From slashdot: eCycling Pilot Program in 5 States and D.C. Several /. stories have discussed the problem of disposing of electonic gear laden with hazardous materials. The EPA, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, and about a dozen corporate sponsors have launched a pilot program to collect and recycle computers and electronics. The objective is to collect data to develop a long-term cost effective system to remove computers (including monitors peripherals) and TVs from the municipal waste stream. (My car is now loaded up with five monitors, 3 old HP RISC worksations, several partial PCs, an old TV, and various parts and pieces for the Baltimore County drop-off tomorrow...if any area geeks are looking to scavange old gear this might be a prime opportunity.) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Free DNS?
In addition to the search engine suggestion, you can also check out www.pronym.com Aloha, Rob --- Toky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along time ago someone posted here some URLs of some companies that were providing free DNS servers I forgot all the other info on the post, the thing is that I'm interested in getting those URLs so I can check this places out. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] A Mission For Luau
If nothing else, we could set up thin clients or other machines to add to local projects which already have Linx and/or sysadmins available -- wasn't there one or two of the list members who was working with setting up linux machines for local schools? If nothing else, even if we don't set up a huge number of linux machines, if we just keep 20 or 30 machines out of the trash, then it is worthwhile from an ecological point of view. I know of at least one outfit that would at least salvage the equipment for potential re-use (rescuing from the trash, that is). We could set people up with freesco cable modem or dial-up home network boxes, those are fire and forget here's your 486, here's your floppy disk, plug in the cables here and here. NEXT! Aloha, Rob --- Mark Kellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, I respect your ideas, but did you account for the amount of support required by newbies? Linux isn't as user friendly as Windows, and I can personally speak about the administrative efforts of implementing and configuring Linux. What would be needed is a task force of talent that could train and support these new users. The digital divide is barely bridgeable with Windows, and it would be further compounded by the amount of adminstration required by Linux. I'm not discounting your ideas, rather I am attempting to constructively add some of the back end proceesses required for your endeavors. Regards, Mark From: R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] A Mission For Luau Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:09:01 -1000 Several weeks ago I spoke with Jon Fujiwara at the University of Hawaii's College of Business about taking all the computers they trash and doing something with them. The idea came from observing this heap of hardware that sat under a staircase for weeks while everything good was pilfered. Eventually it was all trashed. I am convinced that a lot of that could have been used. Jon tells me that the few charities who accept hardware only want stuff fast enough to run windows. This leaves a lot of trash. Charles described to me another pile of pc's outside of UH's Physics department. I think that if we want to positively influence the community's impression of Linux/*bsd, the conversion of old PC's for the poor and disenfranchised (of which we have much in Hawaii) should become our mission. It would create great press for linux in general, and it would generate networking opportunities for you guys who want it. Perhaps a non-profit company could be created to facilitate this. I have a second phone line that could be used to field interested calls. I am sure that we all have space to store some hardware; I have a large garage I can donate. You each could help hunt down junk from our local universities, etc. Every day there is good stuff going to waste here. There is a tremendous digital divide on the islands. I would imaging many of Sandi and Dustin's neighbors in the Kahaluu area could benefit. There are churches, senior citizens, etc., that are waiting for your efforts and creativity. We as the local linux community can do something about this that demonstrates our capacity to affect real social change with this open source linux thing. I have been waiting for when I had time to delve into this to post it to the group. The post below that I saw on Slashdot is inspiring. Here in the land of Aloha we can do something special. Let's find a way. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/25/0515220mode=flattid=99 An Anonymous Coward writes Out in Oakland, CA a group is taking donated PC's and breathing new life into them with Linux. They turn around and donate the computers to schools, build POVRAY render farms (with MOSIX) and generally promote Linux. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/
[luau] USB, CD-R questions
Two questions for ye of great technical savvy 1) RE: USB hubs - is USB really a bus in the electical sense of the word, as in does it really matter what kind of hub I use to expand it, and can they be daisy-chained to create additional hubs if needed? I only have 2 ports on the machine I'm using now, and plugging in and un-plugging things is getting annoying at times. I wanted to get a 4 or 6 port hub. Also, any feedback as to good or bad brands would be appreciated. 2) Is there any practical limit for archival life of CD-R's? I was thinking of scanning some of my personal records and putting it on CD-R for reasons of space (copies of statements, bills, etc., for tax purposes and so forth). Are CD-R's and CD-RW's good forever once you get a good copy burned, or do they suffer from deterioration, and if so, after how long? I figure if I can count of 20+ years, I'm probably good to go, but I wonder if there is any info on that subject? Oh, incidentally, anybody know if I have scanned copies of tax receipts and such if they would be laughed off in the even of an IRS audit or some such? Thanks! Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
[luau] USB, CD-R questions
Two questions for ye of great technical savvy 1) RE: USB hubs - is USB really a bus in the electrical sense of the word, as in does it really matter what kind of hub I use to expand it, and can they be daisy-chained to create additional hubs if needed? I only have 2 ports on the machine I'm using now, and plugging in and un-plugging things is getting annoying at times. I wanted to get a 4 or 6 port hub. Also, any feedback as to good or bad brands would be appreciated. 2) Is there any practical limit for archival life of CD-R's? I was thinking of scanning some of my personal records and putting it on CD-R for reasons of space (copies of statements, bills, etc., for tax purposes and so forth). Are CD-R's and CD-RW's good forever once you get a good copy burned, or do they suffer from deterioration, and if so, after how long? I figure if I can count of 20+ years, I'm probably good to go, but I wonder if there is any info on that subject? Oh, incidentally, anybody know if I have scanned copies of tax receipts and such if they would be laughed off in the even of an IRS audit or some such? Thanks! Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
