Re: [luau] kpackage
Thanks for the complement, I gave a presentation on it at the CLUE monthly meeting (Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts) which seemed to be very well received. My presentation consisted of a big screen slide show which included screen shots and amusing slides prepared with Gimp and shown using "gqview." In addition to the side show was a printed handout that included more detailed information on exactly how to create your own custom ICE button menu system. I also gave away some CD-ROM disks with all the necessary files and graphics for my personal setup. W. Wayne Liauh wrote: KDE is great. However, if you are like me, who use Linux DESKTOP for a living, you will try to eliminate every possible source of problem, then you definitely want to use a simpler window manager. The best window manager for Linux is a "repackaged" version of IceWM, put together by our own George of Kailua. This is very different from the stock IceWM, and if you're serious about using Linux desktop for your business, you really should talk to George. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] kpackage
Dan George wrote: > > Does that come distributed on Oahu? > Maybe a free trial version? > > - Original Message - > From: "al plant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [luau] kpackage > > > "W. Wayne Liauh" wrote: > > > > > > KDE is great. However, if you are like me, who use Linux DESKTOP for a > > > living, you will try to eliminate every possible source of problem, then > > > you definitely want to use a simpler window manager. > > > > > > The best window manager for Linux is a "repackaged" version of IceWM, > > > put together by our own George of Kailua. This is very different from > > > the stock IceWM, and if you're serious about using Linux desktop for > > > your business, you really should talk to George. > > > > > > ___ > > > LUAU mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > > > > > > We run XFCE on all our Linux and Unix Boxes here. It's lean and mean for > > a GUI. > > -- > > Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > > Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. > > Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 > > Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 > > ___ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau # XFCE can be downloaded form XFCE.org I believe It is also available on the FreeBSD programs /sys/install and on many of the oprional program disks you get with Linux Distros. -- Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
Re: [luau] kpackage
We run XFCE on all our Linux and Unix Boxes here. It's lean and mean for a GUI. I've been a fan of FVWM for a while. For all that it does, it is EXTREMELY small (under 5MB). Unfortunately, out of the box it's not very pretty or functional, but it is very configurable. If size is an issue, try Matchbox. It's about 50-70k and still pretty functional. --MonMotha
Re: [luau] kpackage
Does that come distributed on Oahu? Maybe a free trial version? - Original Message - From: "al plant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [luau] kpackage > "W. Wayne Liauh" wrote: > > > > KDE is great. However, if you are like me, who use Linux DESKTOP for a > > living, you will try to eliminate every possible source of problem, then > > you definitely want to use a simpler window manager. > > > > The best window manager for Linux is a "repackaged" version of IceWM, > > put together by our own George of Kailua. This is very different from > > the stock IceWM, and if you're serious about using Linux desktop for > > your business, you really should talk to George. > > > > ___ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > > We run XFCE on all our Linux and Unix Boxes here. It's lean and mean for > a GUI. > -- > Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. > Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 > Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] kpackage
"W. Wayne Liauh" wrote: > > KDE is great. However, if you are like me, who use Linux DESKTOP for a > living, you will try to eliminate every possible source of problem, then > you definitely want to use a simpler window manager. > > The best window manager for Linux is a "repackaged" version of IceWM, > put together by our own George of Kailua. This is very different from > the stock IceWM, and if you're serious about using Linux desktop for > your business, you really should talk to George. > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau We run XFCE on all our Linux and Unix Boxes here. It's lean and mean for a GUI. -- Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
Re: [luau] kpackage
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, lucidity wrote: >Sorry to rant, but I believe anybody trying to learn *nix or *nux, should >know how to do it manually: ie: you need to re-enable kudzu to detect a >new piece of hardware you just installed, but for some reason, your X >interface is broken... I think Dave's point was that most users aren't interested in fixing things manually. In a recent meeting, Wayne (Liauh) mentioned that doctors/lawyers/accountants are the ones who might benefit most from the Linux on the desktop. If so, these people are not interested in fixing a computer. They already spent 4 to 8 years learning their profession, they don't want to spend another 4 years just to learn how to use a computer. Concerning your case-in-point, I think most people would rather take their computer in for repair rather than open up the hood. But not even I would rebuild a distribution from scratch every time something goes wrong with my system (I'm a software engineer). I think both sides of the GUI/CLI debate needs to compromise. I think the GUI group should admit that learning the CLI is benefitial and can improve productivity (and it may not be as hard as everyone thinks it is). While the CLI group should admit that the GUI is not going to knock your IQ down a few points. >Ps.- Assembly is "pretty-much" good now-adays for the dedicated C >user. ( but it gives valuable insight into just how x-86 processors/memory >operate... I agree. All programmers should learn at least one assembly language. Understanding what happens in the processor when you execute a statement is knowledge that a programmer can not function without. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[luau] kpackage
KDE is great. However, if you are like me, who use Linux DESKTOP for a living, you will try to eliminate every possible source of problem, then you definitely want to use a simpler window manager. The best window manager for Linux is a "repackaged" version of IceWM, put together by our own George of Kailua. This is very different from the stock IceWM, and if you're serious about using Linux desktop for your business, you really should talk to George.
Re: [luau] kpackage
Most people just want a usable system that is intuitive; and therefore requires little learning. lucidity wrote: I believe anybody trying to learn *nix or *nux, should know how to do it manually: Anonymous quote: Do you want to point and click, or do you want to *know how*?
Re: [luau] kpackage
Deluded Dave: I agree with you that gui's implementation in *nix/linux is a little slow, However, GUI does not automatically mean better, Case in point: earlier this week, my 3dfx card crapped out on me. The only way I could get back into my system was to run the linux rescue mode from cd1: (rh 7.3). enable the fb, and recompile the kernel to include support for the fb device.( I was very impressed that you could recompile the kernel and reboot to it with lilo, from rescue mode.) Granted gui's are good for the average desktop user, however for "Oregon Trail/windbloze user" (flashback to '84). Not trying to rehash an old topic... The most informed, and all around Sys Admin, knows both worlds... yOU shouldn't be limited by the interface... Sorry to rant, but I believe anybody trying to learn *nix or *nux, should know how to do it manually: ie: you need to re-enable kudzu to detect a new piece of hardware you just installed, but for some reason, your X interface is broken... you should utilize the resources at your disposal to fix the problem Ps.- Assembly is "pretty-much" good now-adays for the dedicated C user. ( but it gives valuable insight into just how x-86 processors/memory operate... But I have always felt: the easier a programming language is: ie, catches your mistakes, makes you more dependent on the end product.(java/php/etc.) That is why currently, (and I hope always,) C is a language that is never deprecated. Anonymous quote: Do you want to point and click, or do you want to *know how*? Again sorry to rant --lucidity On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, T. David Burns wrote: > And my last take on the CLI vs. GUI religious thing - there are still some > people who like assembly language (or raw machine code if assembly is too > tame for you). And they are smart people. That doesn't mean we should > follow their lead. There are increasingly rare times when you need to do > something the old way. But few of us will be sorry to see it go, once > something really decent takes its place. (Soon, I hope.) Apple didn't get > it right at first, and MS took about ten years to get it pretty close to > good, so I guess it's not too embarrassing that a volunteer project is a > little slow. > > Deluded Dave
Re: [luau] kpackage
Sorry, when I said "newest versions of redhat", I was actually referring to the beta version, although I didn't remember it in 7.3. I don't doubt you that its in redhat 7.3, but since its not in the beta, its likely that it won't be in the next real version of redhat. Its replaced by redhat-config-packages, which at this point is barely functional. Hopefully that program will be great in the next version, but its pretty terrible right now. -Eric Hattemer - Original Message - From: "T. David Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: [luau] kpackage > At 03:50 PM 7/28/2002 -1000, Eric Hattemer wrote: > >kpackage (which I > >really liked, but Warren had some kind of problem with), mysteriously > >disappeared in the newest versions of redhat. > > I just installed 7.3 and I got it. I don't know where to find it on a menu, > but you don't need to. If you use konqueror to click on an rpm it opens > kpackage automatically. Mozilla doesn't do so automatically, but I bet you > could reconfigure it to. But then you'd have to figure out where it is. Oh > well, even *I* can run locate. > > And my last take on the CLI vs. GUI religious thing - there are still some > people who like assembly language (or raw machine code if assembly is too > tame for you). And they are smart people. That doesn't mean we should > follow their lead. There are increasingly rare times when you need to do > something the old way. But few of us will be sorry to see it go, once > something really decent takes its place. (Soon, I hope.) Apple didn't get > it right at first, and MS took about ten years to get it pretty close to > good, so I guess it's not too embarrassing that a volunteer project is a > little slow. > > Deluded Dave > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > >
[luau] kpackage
At 03:50 PM 7/28/2002 -1000, Eric Hattemer wrote: kpackage (which I really liked, but Warren had some kind of problem with), mysteriously disappeared in the newest versions of redhat. I just installed 7.3 and I got it. I don't know where to find it on a menu, but you don't need to. If you use konqueror to click on an rpm it opens kpackage automatically. Mozilla doesn't do so automatically, but I bet you could reconfigure it to. But then you'd have to figure out where it is. Oh well, even *I* can run locate. And my last take on the CLI vs. GUI religious thing - there are still some people who like assembly language (or raw machine code if assembly is too tame for you). And they are smart people. That doesn't mean we should follow their lead. There are increasingly rare times when you need to do something the old way. But few of us will be sorry to see it go, once something really decent takes its place. (Soon, I hope.) Apple didn't get it right at first, and MS took about ten years to get it pretty close to good, so I guess it's not too embarrassing that a volunteer project is a little slow. Deluded Dave
