RE: [luau] processor opinion
Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan George Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] processor opinion On Sunday 28 July 2002 09:06, you wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha This sledgehammer chip is b-ing but I dont have a MLB to test it on yet. Nice of AMD to send me a chip I cannot use. Its supposed to be the one. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] processor opinion
Randall Oshita wrote: Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall Ah this is the beauty of opensource software. Even before the code gets rewritten, the compiler already supports x86-64, so a simple recompile can get some of the more obvious (to the compiler at least) optimizations. Even without x86-64 optimizations, the hammers run old 32bit code blindingly fast (I believe I saw a 700MHz developer sample clawhammer beating a P4 1.4GHz, but of course this is an informal devel test). I was mostly referring to the future capabilities though. As for RAID stuff, remember you don't need a special RAID controller to do RAID. In fact, the promise and highpoint controllers are just UDMA/133 controllers with special firmware to make them LOOK like they do raid in hardware (they really do it in software, hence why special drivers are needed in linux to do raid, separate from single disk). This is especialy evident because the promise UDMA/66 addon controller (and I assume the recent ones as the design is still the same) could be modified using a few wires and a resistor to do raid. Anyway, don't bother with a dedicated controller unless you're getting a really expensive one (unlikely). Software raid's cpu usage may be higher, but it's often actually faster these days because of the extremely overpowered CPU in your system. Regarding P4s, they're fast with Rambus, but as you point out, Rambus is REALLY expensive. Currently sitting at $56 vs. $77 for 256MB PC2100 DDR vs. standard (whatever that is) rambus. Rambus also gets expensive quicker as speeds go up as it's getting less popular. See Warren's post to this regard and also the deceptive business practices that coined the term pulling a rambus (recently applied to Forgent over the JPEG patent nonsense). Unfortunately, the P4 was designed for rambus. It expects high bandwidth and can tolerate the latency that you get with rambus. It chokes when you start putting the slower DDR on it. Athlons use DDR effectively because they expect very low latency on their memory bus. Put rambus on an Athlon and it would choke, that's why you haven't seen Athlon boards using rambus (also why no one's made a suitable north bridge). --MonMotha
Re: [luau] processor opinion
cool...thanks for the info! yeah we gotta go ride! Thanks, Rodney - Original Message - From: Randall Oshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [luau] processor opinion Rod! Dude the P4s are fast esp. with PC1066, that's 533FSB. Expensive though. And not supported by Intel. Bandwidth for video and stuff. Get RAID too and stripe ur HDs. Go to like www.anandtech.com to see benchmarks using apps you plan to use. Don't think 64bit Hammer gonna help if your software is not 64bit (I could be mistaken??) We gotta go ride! Thanks. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan George Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] processor opinion On Sunday 28 July 2002 09:06, you wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha This sledgehammer chip is b-ing but I dont have a MLB to test it on yet. Nice of AMD to send me a chip I cannot use. Its supposed to be the one. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] processor opinion
I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney
Re: [luau] processor opinion
Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha
[luau] processor opinion
Many benchmarks can be misleading because they were using RDRAM for Pentium 4. The Pentium 4s are designed to run with the Rambus DRAM, which, for a number of reasons, has completely disappeared from Intel's recent roadmaps. With RDRAM, Pentium 4 is a crippled CPU. Athlon XPs are more cost-effective then Pentium 4s. Actually, personally I would still prefer Athlon XPs even if there were at the same price. The lowered price of Athlon XP is simply a bonus. But, YES, I will definitely get a Clawhammer when it comes out. This could be THE most exciting event for the stagnant or even (obviously) dwindling PC industry.
Re: [luau] processor opinion
When is the Hammer supposed to be out? On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 09:06, MonMotha wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
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There is also the question of if your 3D modeling/animation software supports multithreading and can take advantage of multiple processors. With multiple processors you can have far more performance with certain specially designed applications. Even if your application doesn't take advantage of multiple processors, SMP gives you a much smoother computing experience. For example while one processor is busy rendering, you can continue work in other applications or the same application designing another scene for rendering later. With SMP machines there are currently only two options: Athlon MP vs Xeon While it is true that you will have slightly more performance with the fastest Xeon's, you pay far more. The price/performance ratio of dual Athlon MP is a much greater value. Coming late this year is the Hammer x86-64 architecture from AMD. Hammer is fully compatible with existing 32-bit Athlon, but adds 64-bit registers and SSE2 among some other stuff. This means that it can simultaneously run existing 32-bit operating systems and software while running certain applications that take advantage of 64-bit power. I read some estimate that 32-bit applications will be about 20% faster than the fastest Athlon at the time of Hammer. This platform will be available initially as the low-end Athlon 64-bit with 256KB cache codename Clawhammer late this year, followed by the server version Opteron with 1MB cache during 2003. Yes, this means that AMD plans on eventually phasing out the 32-bit Athlon, meaning all of their x86 processors will be fully backwards compatible 64-bit chips in servers, desktops and even laptops. Last I heard, Athlon Clawhammer will be up to dual-processors, while Opteron will initially be available as quad. - Original Message - From: W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [luau] processor opinion Many benchmarks can be misleading because they were using RDRAM for Pentium 4. The Pentium 4s are designed to run with the Rambus DRAM, which, for a number of reasons, has completely disappeared from Intel's recent roadmaps. With RDRAM, Pentium 4 is a crippled CPU. Athlon XPs are more cost-effective then Pentium 4s. Actually, personally I would still prefer Athlon XPs even if there were at the same price. The lowered price of Athlon XP is simply a bonus. But, YES, I will definitely get a Clawhammer when it comes out. This could be THE most exciting event for the stagnant or even (obviously) dwindling PC industry.
Re: [luau] processor opinion
- Original Message - From: Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [luau] processor opinion With SMP machines there are currently only two options: Athlon MP vs Xeon While it is true that you will have slightly more performance with the fastest Xeon's, you pay far more. The price/performance ratio of dual Athlon MP is a much greater value. I forgot to mention that in buying Xeon, you also buy RDRAM which is more expensive than DDR SDRAM. Also in buying RDRAM, the manufacturer pays royalties for to Rambus, a company that has used deceptive business practices in participating in the JEDEC standards meeting, but later claiming that they own the patents on the SDRAM technology that became an industry standard from that group. They sued and successfully extracted royalties on SDRAM from some companies like Toshiba IIRC. They were counter-sued by some companies like Infineon and Micron (Crucial), and are facing anti-trust investigation. In buying SDRAM, you reject deceptive business practices and support fair market competition while paying less for your memory. Win-win situation to me.
Re: [luau] processor opinion
On Sunday 28 July 2002 09:06, you wrote: Rodney Kanno wrote: I am going to upgrade my home computer, but I am unsure of what processor to go with, AMD or Pentium 4. The main uses of the computer would be for 3D modeling/animation, video creation/editing, and the usual desktop apps (office, cd burning/encoding, etc...) Any suggestions/opinions? Thanks, Rodney For video encoding, Pentium 4s are actually SLIGHTLY faster than Athlons. However, they come at a hefty price tag. At this point however, I'd wait for the AMD Hammers to come out. The developer's samples have been very promising and 64 bit computing can't hurt :) --MonMotha This sledgehammer chip is b-ing but I dont have a MLB to test it on yet. Nice of AMD to send me a chip I cannot use. Its supposed to be the one.
