Re: [luau] upgrading
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:29:26AM -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I know SuSE lets you install over the Internet via > either a boot CD or boot floppies. You can download the > boot CD ISO or the boot floppy images for SuSE 9.0 from > ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/boot. But not the full ISO correct? I believe they, like OpenBSD, encourage people to buy the full CDs. > I have a local mirror of the entire SuSE 8.1 and 9.0 trees. > Is there a way that I can share this with HOSEF? It's pretty > big...8.1 is 5.5 GB and 9.0 is 7.3 GB. I won't open this mirror > up cause RoadRunner will smack me down, so don't ask :) I am mirroring i386 9.0 off of USC now. If anyone wants another architecture or version, let me know. -Vince
Re: [luau] upgrading
Gary, I know SuSE lets you install over the Internet via either a boot CD or boot floppies. You can download the boot CD ISO or the boot floppy images for SuSE 9.0 from ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/boot. I have a local mirror of the entire SuSE 8.1 and 9.0 trees. Is there a way that I can share this with HOSEF? It's pretty big...8.1 is 5.5 GB and 9.0 is 7.3 GB. I won't open this mirror up cause RoadRunner will smack me down, so don't ask :) Dwight... > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:31:58 -1000 > Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:55:56PM -1000, Andrew Keyes wrote: >> > I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had a 10GB hard drive. >> I just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking for >> recommendations on how to make the most of it. >> >> Slice it up into many partitions to make room for all the >> distributions you are going to try. > > Suppose Andrew (the original poster) wants to try Debian, Mandrake, and > Fedora. Can he create one partition for home and use that with whichever > distro he boots? > >> > Secondly should I download and make some CDs first and then do an >> install, are the CD images on the videl server somewhere? >> >> ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/ has a ton of ISOs. > > To me this is not an either/or. Wherever the ISO files are hosted, they > need to be downloaded and burned. I know that FreeBSD can be installed > via an Internet connection, after booting from a pair of diskettes. I > think Gentoo does something similar. Do other distros offer this method?
Re: [luau] upgrading
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:15:54AM -0800, Casey Roberts wrote: > I do know that the last time I went to the Debian site they > mentioned that a net installer was being developed for sarge. > Has anyone heard an update on this? The sarge/testing installer just recently hit beta. It is coming around every nicely. ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/1-debian-dists-sarge-main-installer-i386-20040102-images/ ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/2-debian-cd-netinst-i386-daily/ -Vince
Re: [luau] upgrading
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:22:06AM -1000, Gary Dunn wrote: > Suppose Andrew (the original poster) wants to try Debian, > Mandrake, and Fedora. Can he create one partition for home and > use that with whichever distro he boots? Andrew can easily share /home and swap. > > ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/ has a ton of ISOs. > > To me this is not an either/or. Wherever the ISO files are > hosted, they need to be downloaded and burned. I know that > FreeBSD can be installed via an Internet connection, after > booting from a pair of diskettes. I think Gentoo does something > similar. Do other distros offer this method? Starting out with full ISO sets for a distribution just easier. However, there are options when you want to avoid downloading 1.5GB or more. Scott stresses the importance of ISOs, and I grudgingly concur. However, you can use floppies and mini-CDs to bootstrap a network install. If you have PXE, it can be a pure network install. This is why that directory is named IMAGES and not ISO. To find the non-full ISOs, search any combination of .img or initrd. In fact the IMAGES directory is created by searching for directories containing files named with /(img|initrd|iso)/. -Vince
Re: [luau] upgrading
--- Gary Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:31:58 -1000 > Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:55:56PM -1000, Andrew > Keyes wrote: > > > I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had > a 10GB hard drive. I > > > just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking > for recommendations on > > > how to make the most of it. > > > > Slice it up into many partitions to make room for > all the > > distributions you are going to try. > > Suppose Andrew (the original poster) wants to try > Debian, Mandrake, and > Fedora. Can he create one partition for home and use > that with whichever > distro he boots? I have personally performed a re-install on a previously partitioned disk using Mandrake and Red Hat. Essentially, you can link /home to what ever partition you have designated using fdisk in another OS (whether it's linux, windows, etc.) As long as the filesystem is compatible to read/write between the different operating systems, the difficult part is figuring out which partition you have designated. I personally prefer to write down a simple partition table, listing which partitions I have designated in previous distributions, and the space allocated to each partition. This table, and a copy of the root password and lilo password, should fit well on an index card, which I tape down on the side panel of the case. Remember, there truly is no way you can document too much information during a clean install. > > > Secondly should I download and make some CDs > first and then do > > > an install, are the CD images on the videl > server somewhere? > > > > ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/ has a ton of > ISOs. > > To me this is not an either/or. Wherever the ISO > files are hosted, they > need to be downloaded and burned. I know that > FreeBSD can be installed via > an Internet connection, after booting from a pair of > diskettes. I think > Gentoo does something similar. Do other distros > offer this method? The last I heard was that only way you can perform a SuSE install without buying the installation disks was to perform a FTP install, after you download a net installer. I do know that the last time I went to the Debian site they mentioned that a net installer was being developed for sarge. Has anyone heard an update on this? Casey Roberts __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/
Re: [luau] upgrading
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:31:58 -1000 Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:55:56PM -1000, Andrew Keyes wrote: > > I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had a 10GB hard drive. I > > just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking for recommendations on > > how to make the most of it. > > Slice it up into many partitions to make room for all the > distributions you are going to try. Suppose Andrew (the original poster) wants to try Debian, Mandrake, and Fedora. Can he create one partition for home and use that with whichever distro he boots? > > Secondly should I download and make some CDs first and then do > > an install, are the CD images on the videl server somewhere? > > ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/ has a ton of ISOs. To me this is not an either/or. Wherever the ISO files are hosted, they need to be downloaded and burned. I know that FreeBSD can be installed via an Internet connection, after booting from a pair of diskettes. I think Gentoo does something similar. Do other distros offer this method? -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Gary Dunn _/ _/ Open Slate Project _/ _/ http://openslate.sourceforge.net/ _/ _/ http://www.aloha.com/~knowtree/_/ _/ Honolulu _/ _/ registered Linux user #273809 _/ _/ _/ _/ This tagline is umop apisdn. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Re: [luau] upgrading
Andrew Keyes wrote: I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had a 10GB hard drive. I just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking for recommendations on how to make the most of it. I have RedHat but having used a Debian system this summer I found apt-get a lot more effective and fun than rpmfind etc. I've been a Red Hat users for many years now, and I almost never look at rpmfind. I personally use apt-get with FC1 and fedora.us Extras. https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1180 http://download.fedora.us/pending/fedora/1/i386/RPMS.stable/apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.3.1.i386.rpm If you try FC1, try this next release candidate for apt-get with the dynamic mirror chooser. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO Read this for more information http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraUsersFAQ Read this about what fedora.us is, and how it is related to the Fedora Project Warren
Re: [luau] upgrading
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 06:55:56PM -1000, Andrew Keyes wrote: > I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had a 10GB hard drive. I > just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking for recommendations on > how to make the most of it. Slice it up into many partitions to make room for all the distributions you are going to try. > Secondly should I download and make some CDs first and then do > an install, are the CD images on the videl server somewhere? ftp://hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/IMAGES/ has a ton of ISOs. > I also need Windows as well, and so was wondering for GRUB is > still the best boot manger for a dual or triple boot system. Grub is more friendly, especially for desktops, but I still like lilo for servers. > Finally I was wondering about making extended partitions, > does linux care if the swap partition is a main partition or > extended? what about other partitions? This is not really an issue any more. > If Warren or who ever runs the luau site is interested I can > take the answers and make an HTML page to post on this sort of > decision making. I would love it if people that ask questions made a summary and added it to the wiki: http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/ -Vince
[luau] upgrading
I have a four year old 550MHz machine which had a 10GB hard drive. I just purchased a new 80GB drive and am looking for recommendations on how to make the most of it. I have RedHat but having used a Debian system this summer I found apt-get a lot more effective and fun than rpmfind etc. I've used Unix boxes for a long time so I feel comfortable using Debian but have never used Mandrake which people on the list seem to like. I'm looking for a distro that's easy to maintain, easy to upgrade and people make lots of packages for, which might be better? Secondly should I download and make some CDs first and then do an install, are the CD images on the videl server somewhere? Or as was noted once, I'm Speakeasy member and they have a great site which helped me a bit, although it doesn't seem like paying them $10 a month gets me any special download priveleges. I also need Windows as well, and so was wondering for GRUB is still the best boot manger for a dual or triple boot system. Finally I was wondering about making extended partitions, does linux care if the swap partition is a main partition or extended? what about other partitions? If Warren or who ever runs the luau site is interested I can take the answers and make an HTML page to post on this sort of decision making. Thanks, Andrew Consultant (ie looking for work)
Re: [luau] Upgrading servers
R. Scott Belford wrote: Brian Chee wrote: I'm looking at going all Fedora... With the greatest of respect to Warren, why not debian? Personally, having been fully committed to Fedora, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. The more I have used it, the more problems I have discovered. However, we have to realize that Linux is becoming a very competitive (and potentially very lucrative) market. Eventually, it is the experience, which can be accumulated only by collecting and solving problems, that counts. Since you must invest a lot of your time to build your own value-added experience, which, invariably, will be distro-dependent, the choice of a distro cannot be overstated. For me, because of certain distinct advantages that I described in previous threads, I am sticking to Fedora. Factors that must be considered include but are not limited to: long-term viability, stability of development community, documentation, acceptability by the corporate environment, etc. All things considered (especially in light of the vast conjugative development communities in China and Taiwan), Fedora really stands out. Most of Fedora's "problems", particularly in the desktop area, can be solved by providing a supplemental CD or, if the user has a broadband connection, a yum script. This is an area I really like to see more systematic and collaborative efforts. If anyone is interested in taking a lead, I will be more than happy to discuss the possible budget needs. wayne
Re: [luau] Upgrading servers
Brian Chee wrote: Hi folks: I'm looking at someday soon building two new servers 1.Apache server with other nice doodads, but needs RAID 1 for reliability. 2.NFS/Samba server with lots of fast RAID 5 disks. What RAID controllers are people using now, and is SATA something worth moving towards? All my previous servers have been LVD2 and cost a kings ransom or fiber channel and cost even more. I'm trying to create some ultra reliable servers (disk wise) that won't kill my entire budget. Brian, I have three raid controllers in my production stable at Price Busters. The first string box uses Adaptec's 3410 64-bit card powering a raid-5 scsi array. The drives are not in SAFTE compatible housing, and so a failed drive requires a shutdown for repair. Bios configuration is very solid and easy, and Adaptec's Storage Manager is a good X11 app. Price - very expensive The second is an older, icp-vortex, 32-bit controller powering a raid-5 scsi array. These drives are in a SAFTE compatible housing and can be hot-swapped. It is managed by bios as well as a tcp/ip based utility. *Great* controller, but pricy. The third is a 3-ware, ide controller with a raid-1 array with 7200 rpm drives. The drives are in very basic, $25 drive trays. A drive recently failed, and I was able to disable it through 3ware's web interface, remove the bad drive, replace it, and rebuild it with no down time. Price - *very* affordable. When deliberating the scsi vs ide issue, I obviously compromised. If I were you, especially after seeing Production Products like the XServe using ATA drives, I would use 3Ware's raid controller. Price/performane ratio seems superior. I would even use sata drives. Why not raid 1 or raid 10 on both boxes? I'm looking at going all Fedora... With the greatest of respect to Warren, why not debian? /brian chee --scott
Re: [luau] Upgrading servers
I bought a 3ware IDE RAID 1 card because of all the talk of them on this list. I would say it has average speed at best, the Promise controller seemed to be faster (I don't want to get into the whole host processing debate). The biggest thing against the 3ware card is I was not able to unplug the hard drives from the card and directly into the IDE on the motherboard. The PC refused to boot. I guess the 3ware card puts a proprietary signature on the drives. Anyone find a way around this? If not you have to have a spare card in case yours goes down. -Matt - Original Message - From: "Brian Chee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: [luau] Upgrading servers > Hi folks: > I'm looking at someday soon building two new servers > > 1.Apache server with other nice doodads, but needs RAID 1 for > reliability. > 2.NFS/Samba server with lots of fast RAID 5 disks. > > What RAID controllers are people using now, and is SATA something worth > moving towards? All my previous servers have been LVD2 and cost a kings > ransom or fiber channel and cost even more. I'm trying to create some ultra > reliable servers (disk wise) that won't kill my entire budget. > > I'm looking at going all Fedora... > > /brian chee > > University of Hawaii ICS Dept > Advanced Network Computing Lab > 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 > Honolulu, HI 96822 > 808-956-5797 voice, 877-284-1934 fax > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau >
[luau] Upgrading servers
Hi folks: I'm looking at someday soon building two new servers 1.Apache server with other nice doodads, but needs RAID 1 for reliability. 2.NFS/Samba server with lots of fast RAID 5 disks. What RAID controllers are people using now, and is SATA something worth moving towards? All my previous servers have been LVD2 and cost a kings ransom or fiber channel and cost even more. I'm trying to create some ultra reliable servers (disk wise) that won't kill my entire budget. I'm looking at going all Fedora... /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 877-284-1934 fax
Re: [luau] Upgrading Perl.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 02:33:00PM -1000, Camron W. Fox wrote: > Does anyone know where to find a good howto on upgrading perl > from the installation default 5.6.1 to 5.8.X on RH7.3? You might consider keeping the default perl intact and installing from source to /usr/local. Instructions on building from source come with the tar ball. -Vince
[luau] Upgrading Perl.
Alle, Does anyone know where to find a good howto on upgrading perl from the installation default 5.6.1 to 5.8.X on RH7.3? Best Regards, Camron Camron W. Fox Hilo Office High Performance Computing Group Fujitsu America, INC. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] upgrading rpm
Vince Hoang wrote: I'm trying to upgrade rpm 4.1 that comes standard with red hat 8.0 to rpm 4.2. Will specifying the cross-dependent packages on the same line, like `rpm -Uvh foo.rpm bar.rpm`, work? -Vince I would highly advise against upgrading rpm manually, there are far too many issues involved. ftp://people.redhat.com/jbj/test-4.1 If you are trying to upgrade in order to escape the rpm lockup problem in Red Hat 8.0, many people have been using the unofficial popt-1.7-9 and rpm-4.1-9 packages from here for many months with great success. ftp://people.redhat.com/jbj/test-4.1.1 It appears that jbj released a new test version a few days ago. It appears that these packages are for Red Hat 7.x and 8.0 respectively. I haven't tested these myself yet, but it looks like they will work. Please me know of your experience if you try these. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] upgrading rpm
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 04:47:36PM -1000, Bill Luoma wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade rpm 4.1 that comes standard with red hat > 8.0 to rpm 4.2. Will specifying the cross-dependent packages on the same line, like `rpm -Uvh foo.rpm bar.rpm`, work? -Vince
[luau] upgrading rpm
I'm trying to upgrade rpm 4.1 that comes standard with red hat 8.0 to rpm 4.2. rpm 4.1 has some bugs that don't allow relocation and don't set certain scripting parameters like RPM_INSTALL_PREFIX. It is also rumored that rpm 4.1 will cause problems with the rawhide glibc-2.3.1-XX (which is giving strange error msgs and seems to be preventing informix from loading) Is there a sane way to do this upgrade? One possible answer is just to go back to 7.3. 8.0 seems not ready from prime time. thanks, Bill some output: blwskw:/usr/rpms/raw# rpm -Uvh rpm-4.2-0.68.i386.rpm warning: rpm-4.2-0.68.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 897da07a error: Failed dependencies: popt = 1.8 is needed by rpm-4.2-0.68 librpm-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-build-4.1-1.06 librpm-4.1.so is needed by (installed) net-snmp-5.0.1-6 librpm-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-python-4.1-1.06 librpmbuild-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-build-4.1-1.06 librpmdb-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-build-4.1-1.06 librpmdb-4.1.so is needed by (installed) net-snmp-5.0.1-6 librpmdb-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-python-4.1-1.06 librpmio-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-build-4.1-1.06 librpmio-4.1.so is needed by (installed) net-snmp-5.0.1-6 librpmio-4.1.so is needed by (installed) rpm-python-4.1-1.06 rpm = 4.1 is needed by (installed) rpm-build-4.1-1.06 rpm = 4.1 is needed by (installed) rpm-python-4.1-1.06 blwskw:/usr/rpms/raw# popt -Uvh popt-1.8-0.68.i386.rpm -bash: popt: command not found blwskw:/usr/rpms/raw# rpm -Uvh popt-1.8-0.68.i386.rpm warning: popt-1.8-0.68.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 897da07a error: Failed dependencies: popt = 1.7 is needed by (installed) rpm-4.1-1.06 [[[blwskw:/usr/rpms/raw# /lib/libc.so.6 Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno, h_errno or _res directly. Needs to be fixed. GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.1, by Roland McGrath et al. Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2.1 20021207 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.1-2). Compiled on a Linux 2.4.20-0.pp.6 system on 2003-01-07. Available extensions: GNU libio by Per Bothner crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy BIND-8.2.3-T5B libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk Thread-local storage support included. Report bugs using the `glibcbug' script to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.]]]
