RE: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
I got 7.3 pro when i went to the RH lab's and like it, but i can't compare it 7.2 because i went from 7.1 straight to 7.3. Lately thats what i've installed for all my client's also. For mail service i usually like sendmail/squirellmail/and mailman or my custom mailing list program. I've never been able to get used to qmail but thats just me. I like to install apache my self always unless the client need's to use ColdFusion Server 5 or Chili!Soft ASP (They can get better support that way if something should go wrong). Florian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erich S. Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:15 AM To: LUAU mailing list Subject: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions Hi folks! I'm building a new machine for myself to tinker with, and I've got RH 7.2 pro boxed set that I bought awhile back. I have a couple of questions though. 1) Is it worth going out and buying the boxed RH7.3 set, or is it cheaper to just burn a copy of RH7.3 and buy the yearly subscription? Is there any difference? The demo software doesn't really interest me that much, and I the included docs the last time didn't seem that different from the previous version. Should I buy 7.3 pro? or just install 7.3 from CD's and buy the annual subscription? 2) I'm building the machine mostly to be a server not a desktop setup. Basically a LAMP setup (although I need to make it FP extensions compatible for some work I do for clients). I need it to handle multiple domains and email although traffic is very light. I'd also use it as a SAMBA enabled storage area to hold files from winblows machines on a small network at home. I was thinking of installing the basic system without the webserver, mySQL, PHP and mail programs and hand install those items myself...Kinda interested in trying qmail and using squirel mail to provide web IMAP access to my email (when I can't use my laptop or regular workstation). As gravy, it'd be nice to slowly start playing with X and remote X connecting to server... If anyone is regularly building setups like this, I'd appreciate any insights to sequence of installation software or pointers to any web resources that discuss this. I thought I'd seen some past posts by list users who have similar setups or who do this for business clients. (Was that you Hoala?) Thanks in advance for any info, comments, or links... Erich ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Florian Hines wrote: I got 7.3 pro when i went to the RH lab's and like it, but i can't compare it 7.2 because i went from 7.1 straight to 7.3. Lately thats what i've installed for all my client's also. Hehe OK fair enough...at least I know it hasn't caused you enough grief to go back to 7.1 :) For mail service i usually like sendmail/squirellmail/and mailman or my custom mailing list program. I've never been able to get used to qmail but thats just me. Ya know, I haven't used anything but sendmail. More by default than anything else, and I'm pretty novice despite having started playing with Linux with a copy of Slackware I bought off of Pat Volkderding himself at COMDEX '94. I just try to keep a webserver and mail server running, and Linux has been great for that. I'm trying to learn more though. I like to install apache my self always unless the client need's to use ColdFusion Server 5 or Chili!Soft ASP (They can get better support that way if something should go wrong). Same here. I installed coldfusion on an older Celeron 500mhz setup with 128MB of RAM, and whoa...it really eats up some CPU. Feels like my 200mhz MMX pentium with 64MB running PHP/mySQL and PostNuke (hence the reason for upgrading) Thank you for your response...I'm waiting for a new drive to arrive before doing my install later this week. (P3-800mhz w/ 256MB RAM and 40GB HD) Aloha, Erich
Re: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
Yeah sharky. I've been in a quandry on what email system to move toI just don't have the time to make a career out of supporting sendmail, so it's either postifx (direct drop in for sendmail) or qmail. Lots of folks seem to like qmail...just a hassle to create all those accounts since it separates functions into small portions and assigns a user to each function. The idea is that if you compromise one, you don't lose the restat least that's how it works in theory. /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: Erich S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: RE: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Florian Hines wrote: I got 7.3 pro when i went to the RH lab's and like it, but i can't compare it 7.2 because i went from 7.1 straight to 7.3. Lately thats what i've installed for all my client's also. Hehe OK fair enough...at least I know it hasn't caused you enough grief to go back to 7.1 :) For mail service i usually like sendmail/squirellmail/and mailman or my custom mailing list program. I've never been able to get used to qmail but thats just me. Ya know, I haven't used anything but sendmail. More by default than anything else, and I'm pretty novice despite having started playing with Linux with a copy of Slackware I bought off of Pat Volkderding himself at COMDEX '94. I just try to keep a webserver and mail server running, and Linux has been great for that. I'm trying to learn more though. I like to install apache my self always unless the client need's to use ColdFusion Server 5 or Chili!Soft ASP (They can get better support that way if something should go wrong). Same here. I installed coldfusion on an older Celeron 500mhz setup with 128MB of RAM, and whoa...it really eats up some CPU. Feels like my 200mhz MMX pentium with 64MB running PHP/mySQL and PostNuke (hence the reason for upgrading) Thank you for your response...I'm waiting for a new drive to arrive before doing my install later this week. (P3-800mhz w/ 256MB RAM and 40GB HD) Aloha, Erich ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
1) Is it worth going out and buying the boxed RH7.3 set, or is it cheaper to just burn a copy of RH7.3 and buy the yearly subscription? Is there any difference? The demo software doesn't really interest me that much, and I the included docs the last time didn't seem that different from the previous version. Should I buy 7.3 pro? or just install 7.3 from CD's and buy the annual subscription? If you have a fast internet connection, maybe the service would be better. You'll have money going straight to red hat that way too. 2) I'm building the machine mostly to be a server not a desktop setup. Basically a LAMP setup (although I need to make it FP extensions compatible for some work I do for clients). I need it to handle multiple domains and email although traffic is very light. I'd also use it as a SAMBA enabled storage area to hold files from winblows machines on a small network at home. Should be fine for that. Not sure about the Front Page extensions, though. (Never looked into that). I was thinking of installing the basic system without the webserver, mySQL, PHP and mail programs and hand install those items myself...Kinda interested in trying qmail and using squirel mail to provide web IMAP access to my email (when I can't use my laptop or regular workstation). Well, I used to do things manually, but the already setup packages work fine so I dont' hassle with it anymore. I used to run qmail and courier-imapd and it worked okay. Now i'm just using the stock sendmail and uw-imapd that comes with redhat. It works good, too. As gravy, it'd be nice to slowly start playing with X and remote X connecting to server... I have four machines at home. One that's a server, one that has linux and remotes from the server, and two that run windows/linux dual boot. When on a windows box i can access the server using XFree86 compiled with cygwin. I thought I'd seen some past posts by list users who have similar setups or who do this for business clients. (Was that you Hoala?) Yeah, Hoala is i the qmail and samba expert of the group. --Ray
RE: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
Having worked for an email firm for several years in the Bay Area during the dot com explosion/implosion, it is my firm conviction that qmail is the best MTA out there. Secure, stable, hi-performance, and very scalable. To get a feeling for the power of qmail, consider these factoids: While Sendmail plods through a list of recipients delivering one message at a time, qmail spawns 20 or more deliviries at a time. And b/c qmail's processes are much smaller than Sendmail's, it can do more work faster, with fewer system resources. Further, Sendmail can lose messages in some of its delivery modes if the system crashes at the wrong time. For reliability, speed, and simplicity, qmail has one crash-proof delivery mode. Even if the system loses power with undelivered messages in the queue, once power is restored and the system is restarted, qmail will pick up where it left off without losing a single message. qmail guarantees that once it accepts a message, it won't be lost, barring catasrophic hardware failure. Furthermore, in 1997 qmail creator Dan Bernstein offered $500 to the first person who could find a security bug in qmail. As of today, August 2002, the offer still stands. Although a hassle at first, creating the qmail user accounts is fairly straightforward and is a one-time deal. Erich, as for your RedHat subscription question, you oughta check out KRUD - http://www.tummy.com/krud The August version of KRUD 7.3 is available for $7, while a year subscription will run you $65. It's a steal: you get monthly errata updates + an assortment of bonux packages that one would usually install by hand anyway (http://www.tummy.com/krud/index_html/body/packages). And no, they don't pay me to say that. I just like the product :) hope that helps, Ho'ala -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Chee Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions Yeah sharky. I've been in a quandry on what email system to move toI just don't have the time to make a career out of supporting sendmail, so it's either postifx (direct drop in for sendmail) or qmail. Lots of folks seem to like qmail...just a hassle to create all those accounts since it separates functions into small portions and assigns a user to each function. The idea is that if you compromise one, you don't lose the restat least that's how it works in theory. /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: Erich S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: RE: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Florian Hines wrote: I got 7.3 pro when i went to the RH lab's and like it, but i can't compare it 7.2 because i went from 7.1 straight to 7.3. Lately thats what i've installed for all my client's also. Hehe OK fair enough...at least I know it hasn't caused you enough grief to go back to 7.1 :) For mail service i usually like sendmail/squirellmail/and mailman or my custom mailing list program. I've never been able to get used to qmail but thats just me. Ya know, I haven't used anything but sendmail. More by default than anything else, and I'm pretty novice despite having started playing with Linux with a copy of Slackware I bought off of Pat Volkderding himself at COMDEX '94. I just try to keep a webserver and mail server running, and Linux has been great for that. I'm trying to learn more though. I like to install apache my self always unless the client need's to use ColdFusion Server 5 or Chili!Soft ASP (They can get better support that way if something should go wrong). Same here. I installed coldfusion on an older Celeron 500mhz setup with 128MB of RAM, and whoa...it really eats up some CPU. Feels like my 200mhz MMX pentium with 64MB running PHP/mySQL and PostNuke (hence the reason for upgrading) Thank you for your response...I'm waiting for a new drive to arrive before doing my install later this week. (P3-800mhz w/ 256MB RAM and 40GB HD) Aloha, Erich ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] RH 7.2 vs. 7.3 questions
On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 21:30, Ray Strode wrote: 1) Is it worth going out and buying the boxed RH7.3 set, or is it cheaper to just burn a copy of RH7.3 and buy the yearly subscription? Is there any difference? The demo software doesn't really interest me that much, and I the included docs the last time didn't seem that different from the previous version. Should I buy 7.3 pro? or just install 7.3 from CD's and buy the annual subscription? If you have a fast internet connection, maybe the service would be better. You'll have money going straight to red hat that way too. I highly recommend using the free download version of Red Hat 7.3 and buying the annual RHN subscription. Why? * 100% of your money goes to Red Hat, instead of retail middle-men, packaging and shipping. * Less pollution when you avoid packaging. All of their documentation is on their webpage anyway. * Better value for you, because when Red Hat 8.0 comes out in a few months, you can simply upgrade, and your RHN subscription continues to take care of your packages. * The extra software included in 7.3 Pro is of little value above the standard version. I think it comes with StarOffice 5.2, while 6.0 is substantially better. * It is far cheaper to buy RHN subscription plus the $79 StarOffice 6.0 retail box from CompUSA. I hear it is pretty nice with manuals, and CD installer for Windows, Linux and Solaris in the same box.
